Phantomgasms and The Long Road to Lesbos: Zoo’s Update

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Luna

Zoo. What have you been up to since? Was it February 2019? It was right up your birthday, so I think we recorded in February. The year old episode came out in March. What has happened since then?

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Zoo

I mean, a pandemic happened and everything. But for like me personally, I think like one of the biggest changes since that episode was that about a year ago, I actually started to foster. And so if you go back and listen to the first season, I was way different. My voice has gotten deeper. And also to Sacha and other from sexy changes.

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Zoo

Testosterone makes your clitoris grow. So I now have it quite sizable back, and I just like how I have sex with it and like how I have interacted with during sex. So like the way that it grows is similar to, like, how a dick grows with my foreskin so it can be, like, pumped and like, so like you would suck a dick.

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Zoo

I very recently like in the past three months, had sort of like a whirlwind love affair with a coworker of mine, and we literally went on a date like two weeks ago and then spent every single night together until I left with each other. Just like having sex until four in the morning.

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Luna

But all of that, just like whirlwind romance. Or is that just like a sex marathon of weeks? Or sex movie super marathon? Be just so hot, dude.

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Zoo

It was. It's been really like a whirlwind romance because we also, like, so deeply in love. And I felt like, you know, they were talking about how when they were like getting a blowjob later on in the theater, like, my throat is sore. And I think it's just because you have really big, like, spiritual dick energy that it's just getting like a much larger.

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Zoo

Yes.

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Luna

Oh, is.

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Zoo

So, you know, even my biological parts are bigger than they seem.

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Luna

Does it feel little bit like sensation, like, do that, change it all it has.

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Zoo

I seen this that other people who are also in testosterone. I like the sensation. It gets more broad, like it's less like fine movement that, like, does it for me and more like broader. So not like desensitized, but like, I think that my Hitachi analysis that I know and like to really like ride that wave. I got this little thing like it's like a mini stroker designed for people with, like, bottom grips.

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Zoo

And so it's like a little like two inches, maybe it's like a tube. Then you can use that to sort of like simulate, like jacking off, which is like a fun thing to play with weight.

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Luna

So does it move in size? Like I have no idea what you're like, what to imagine.

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Zoo

So basically picture like a two inch like rubber sleeve with like riding on the inside? No, like movement or like, electronics is just like a piece of silicone. Okay. That'll do. It's like section it and then like you said, stroke. Yeah. What you tell me. So like, in the past couple of years have gotten really, really good at using strap arms and other people to, like, side self proclaimed myself.

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Zoo

The strap came.

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Luna

I went to the stock room trial. Some problems, like the leather strap side. I had a person help me out, but I was like, I still feel like this fits right. I don't know, it didn't feel like it was in the right place or the right. Yeah. Is that normal or do you just have to like. Oh yeah.

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Zoo

What's the deal? I actually got mine from the stockroom.

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Luna

I mean, they're great for affordable to.

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Zoo

Be for great. And also it's leather and I like their but they have different like you probably just need to go to a different place or get a different style because of what was probably the issue is that where the O-rings is a problem for you, where like how you use your body, like the one that I have is actually a very, very low rise one for like the O-ring, like just about right above, like my cheapest button is like higher right one, but like more bad, like your uterus area even, or like, just like different parts of your body.

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Luna

What are you talking about in, like, the cockpit system or the like straps.

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Zoo

For their base of the cockpit that they're.

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Luna

Pressing?

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Zoo

Oh, I get it.

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Luna

Lower down. My dream is to have a double it. Just don't don't do that for the.

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Zoo

Okay. So you. Yeah. They also make ones that are like underwear. It's like your boxers. And then we get a little segment because how about you just made it like a different style or like one with more like strap support on the back. Like there are some custom leather ones that are often has like just like a ton of like strap edge around like the hits and yeah, so extra support.

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Zoo

It looks amazing.

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Luna

So if you have like one main one that you use and you have different decks or do you have I.

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Zoo

I only have one dildo at the moment just because that's what I thought. It's like I think it's like seven inches. It's the bisexual flag. Have some. It's for some people it can be a little bit big, like a little bit too long for me to get like a smaller ones, like work people up to it under there.

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Luna

So for me.

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Zoo

The really magical thing about it is that like when I'm wearing the strap, it feels like that dildo is my like, biological dick. I, I like I keep getting a handjob, getting a blowjob, sucking somebody with it. Feel like I can actually feel that movement and the sensation that like.

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Luna

Unlimited.

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Zoo

When I was in quarantine with my former triad, we're having threesomes every single night, and one of my partners gave me a blowjob on the job and didn't touch any part of my body, like actual, like biological body. And it was like one of the best orgasm of my life. Like, it was like, oh, so intense and like magical.

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Zoo

Like they were just, like, looking at me, like, do I keep going? Like, I don't understand what's happening, and I just keep going. This is amazing. So, like, I don't know how I can do that, but I can really, like tap into the energy of the dick and like, feel like it's mine, which is really fun when I'm like, fucking somebody with it because it feels like I'm like, they're actually coming inside of them.

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Zoo

So I get, I have like that feeling of. But also it's not a biological expectation going like I don't have like a refractory period or like needs to get higher.

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Luna

That's so cool. And also the kind of like a sex for lock position. I don't know, like that's pretty magical principles like the magic.

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Zoo

I'm rebranding as a sex warlock, thank you very much.

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Luna

For, like, not a very sexy word.

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Zoo

No. Like, I think we're, like, pretty, pretty fucking.

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Luna

Wow. That's incredible. Okay, so what is the secret when it come right now? Is is it changed at all or is it the the partners are like, what do you want to tell us?

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Zoo

I think I say I really do of like coming to my strap. That is amazing. The kind of sex that like I said, I recently, you know, has been in this like three week love affair. And the way that we've been having sex has been really interesting to me because they're both trans masculine, like Lieutenant Foster, and they've been on for like five years and I've been on for a year.

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Zoo

And like we both are fairly fluid in like our gender representation, like how we like to be touched and celebrated. We have sex is like so connected and trusting that we can both like really easily switch between like dynamics or, you know, keep doing what can really go with that flow. And like a way that I have not experience with someone of have a really intimate and told me several times that like I've never had anybody do that to affect you.

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Luna

So you just messed up. This is new.

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Zoo

Yeah. And I've been like, okay.

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Luna

And I have foreknowledge that you are traveling away from.

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Zoo

Yes.

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Luna

Okay. Bummer. Amazing. Well, congrats that you found that person because you can always find them. So it feel like energetically in sync. And that's how you're able to switch so easily or instant dialog or is that, you know, like for those of us who are like, oh, okay, I just have to learn this in bed. And then the work is like, what does it feel like to you?

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Zoo

It is a lot of like, you need to have a really strong connection outside of the bedroom. They get along very well and like have a lot of similar life experiences. And just like, okay, we're very energetically drawn to each other in other ways. All right. Then, you know, the bedroom, there is that level of communication of like, oh, actually, you know, you're doing this thing, but now do this thing instead.

00:08:48:09 - 00:09:08:06

Zoo

And both are really good at like as soon as they're like, oh, you've been blowing me, but now I want you to like me and like these two fingers. Both of us are really good at being like, all right, immediate switch and just listening to what the other person is asking for and knowing that it's okay to ask for what you want, the way that you get, the fact that you want to have it by asking for it.

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Zoo

And if you're with somebody that you trust and like it feels, it's so empowering to be like, this is what I want now and then I want this, and then I want this, and now I'm having a million orgasms so that that's.

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Luna

Part of my partner selection as well.

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Zoo

Yeah, totally. Like I don't think I'd be having the same kind of, you know, conversations around sex with. Yeah, assist man or even like assistance being or like a change of scene or whatever. It changes based on my career with and like you can still have those natural conversations. I think you just always have to be aware of what the other person is bringing to the table, and you bring to the table and how you can use those two things I think be so magical or sexy, then oh my God, it's amazing.

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Luna

Okay, so is there anything else like magical happening in your sex life? Are there plans to see that part for dinner? Like what are you kind of hoping for? And is a surprise that if you want to talk a little bit about it.

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Zoo

Yeah. So to answer the first question is, let's say literally bought a plane ticket to come visit me for Christmas in Los Angeles. Nice. And like we've been, you know, texting full time and polyamorous and sorry that it's like we have that fluidity within all that. Just very lucky.

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Luna

And another point of shared connection. So you have like a shared trans masculine experience and also the shared language of poly and. Well, I know polyamory is not one thing, but that's.

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Zoo

Fucking awesome.

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Luna

That there's so much alignment. Okay, so these are just that you.

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Zoo

Yeah, they'll be visiting me for part of the time that Kimberly is out of town. And I was like, I specifically chose the time because Kimberly would be out of town and we can have really bad sex as much. Yeah. Yes. I think about these kind of things.

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Luna

We sure do.

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Zoo

Yeah. And then this trip. So I'm doing a month long road trip from Vermont to Los Angeles, and along the way, I'm visiting every remaining lesbian bar in the United States. Part of the plan for the trip plan is maybe wishful thinking, but I don't know where I might be sleeping for a lot of the trip, like I've been in here for two days and but I've sort of been figuring out as I go along and like, I need couches here and there to crash on that like a big part of the trip is just trying to see how many hot sites I can pick up in bars and get them to take me home.

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Luna

Okay, for me, that's a very brave, audacious, bold. How does it feel to how do you do that? Or are you just the great? I have always been a very confident lover. Really want to talk to you the first time. Okay. How is it going to look?

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Zoo

I mean, like I said so far, like the first night I was here, I was like, fuck it, I'm getting a hotel room. I have been traveling for so long. It has been the last night across from a friend of Pandemic Couch, actually. But it has been a thing like I've been thinking about this, but, like, that's really uncertain.

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Zoo

Seriously. You know, a little bit scary, a little bit dangerous. So we'll see how it goes. Especially as a part of like travel. The country is there like every where. They're not like really concentrated in any particular area. Like there's some in the Midwest, there's some in the South, there's some in Arizona, Colorado, like they're everywhere. So there's actually different like so like the entire project.

00:12:07:02 - 00:12:29:03

Zoo

And they did a documentary about it. I'm working on a documentary and they have like an updated list. And I was like all of the bars that as the stars in the United States, one of the founders of the area who is on orange is the New Black. So I've been using that as sort of like the jumping off point and then also going to a couple of like, you know, places that are normal Lafayette or like clear bars that are like lesbian ish.

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Zoo

But finding the positive connection I'm really excited about of like, what does it look like to work with a dike in New York versus somebody in Alabama? Like, how does that change?

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Luna

You know, this is my favorite kind of experimentation, like real life human talking about like practicing. Do you have like a script? You're usually you're just using your well, you're a warm up. You don't need a script. I guess you just go for it.

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Zoo

You just your.

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Luna

Intuition.

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Zoo

I have a script for, like, the actual project itself. Like I'm going to like bar managers and owners and like, interviewing, like, oh, like my lesbian bar road trip and interviewing them about and like, asking them questions. But in terms of like, people, I, I had an interesting conversation with somebody at the bar that last night where she, like, tapped me on the shoulder and then we just, like, started talking and she was like, if you're going to do the chat, you need to follow the pain.

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Zoo

You need to like if you look at somebody until I want to talk to that somebody, you need to go and talk to them. It's going to be really interesting conversations. And I was like, oh, you are very right. And it's interesting because like, I appreciate you saying that. I'm a very confident lover, but I do think that I am, but I also feel like it when it comes to like I do.

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Zoo

I feel very confident in having sex and once I have like gotten to that point. But the like initial conversation can be a little bit hard for me sometimes. I would not a little bit shy. Oh yeah, I guess you didn't know me when I was really, really shy, but I used to be like, see exactly.

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Luna

We talk to you about sex and photos and I was pictures. It was my job to like everyone directing for pictures and so, like, don't clock that. And then, like, the fact that you're like, I go to these meet ups and I do this and I do that. Yeah. And I to say what I mean, like if you're older now but like even you was a few years ago, it was like so I was like, oh, everyone's confident.

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Luna

And I'm, you know, I think I was like waiting to become a grown up, like get confidence for a while. And now I'm just like, oh, you just are. I don't know, you just are. When you are.

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Zoo

Satisfied, you just kind of wake up one day and you're like, oh, wait, you're confident.

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Luna

Well, and I've been experiencing that in certain things, but I that pocket right now and even with sex, like I have my really confident pocket for not thinking about it. And then as soon as people want to treat me like an authority figure, I'm like, look, just don't ask me questions. So I do experience with confidence. How are you starting a conversation if you don't feel it, it affects negatively.

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Luna

Now you're just following the pain or I know you're just starting out, but like we can noodle plan.

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Zoo

So far, what my plan has been like the two hours that I've gone to is I go to the bar with my little notebook and I, like, take notes unlike what I'm seeing. And that was actually a really good like jumpstart with this person I ended up happening with last night. This thing that's like I was journaling here last night, so, like, I don't need.

00:15:04:17 - 00:15:06:08

Luna

You to.

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Zoo

I think just like settling in and then like, scoping the place out and being like, okay, I'm here and present I here and allowed to go up and talk to people and if people don't want to talk to me, I can just walk away and that's fine. And that's sort of what, like the constant mantra that I have to do in my head in all things as like trying to convince myself to be confident.

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Zoo

It's not like the worst thing that somebody can say is no, but you are allowed to be here and you're allowed to interact with other human beings, and nobody's going to be mad at you for that.

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Luna

And in fact, I would like to add you, I know you a little bit. Me personally sometimes offer people like that if they want a business dealing with one of them, it truly is their life. And you're doing a cool fucking thing. Because when I like when people through that lens, I'm like, yeah, you have to. Not only are you allowed to be here, you're a fucking gift.

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Luna

Literally, like a little how many people can, like, come through it, though?

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Zoo

You know, it's funny, I wrote a piece for a magazine at the beginning of the year about how good I am at fucking, and had read it aloud at the vegan release party in front of a crowd of, like, probably like 50 people in a bar that I go to all the time. And like, all of these people, like, I'd say like 3 or 4 people in every room or people that I like and like, I think the key is this, like, all right, I'm the best of the best.

00:16:27:20 - 00:16:53:08

Zoo

Good. And fucking all of them just started laughing, Really? Yeah. Like with this, I even, like, I have a Patreon for it because, you know, gas is expensive and I have one of the tier, the top tier on my Patreon. It's like sexy stories. So like whatever sexy adventures I do end up having a tier because, like, just like the real nitty gritty details, if that's something that you're interested in and, and.

00:16:53:09 - 00:16:54:09

Luna

I love that we can.

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Zoo

Find a paywall.

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Luna

Yeah. No. You should. I mean, I'm learning that there should be some paywall somewhere. Tell us how to find this and what is it called that they say the name I don't know. Okay. That's a really good.

00:17:04:22 - 00:17:17:17

Zoo

So the project is to belong to like those. And that is what it's called on Instagram. That is the website that is the page down. It's all the same. And yeah, I don't know how I'm going to do the sexy stories quite yet. Because I haven't had any.

00:17:17:21 - 00:17:31:12

Luna

You're going to have a lot of car time, presumably in some places at least, that have service. What of the super duper donor wanted to hear oral stories from your mouth via the phone, just like we're doing right now. I'm just saying that was, like, insecure.

00:17:31:14 - 00:17:49:20

Zoo

Yeah, right. I mean, if there's a lower tier on my Patreon, that's just like voice. It's like a random thought. But I have like, well, I'm driving. Yeah. And so like something like that, if you want to, you know, reach out to me and like, hear me give you a play by play of, like, the sexy lesbian experience I had the night before.

00:17:49:22 - 00:18:05:06

Zoo

We can make that happen. I'm a part of this huge, like, spread as the cake. Your best friends of mine and I jokes about doing a nude series and like all of the different bathrooms and then yes. And they're like, yes, yes, yes, you should do that adventure. It didn't matter so far.

00:18:05:08 - 00:18:23:03

Luna

Oh yes. Okay. So, you know, I started taking news of myself around South America in every city, naked because I had to shave my head. And I was like, am I ever going to have sex again? Like in 2016 when I was like, is is anyone ever going to like me? Is like, what am I doing? Like, that was like, that's so cool.

00:18:23:03 - 00:18:30:21

Luna

And I learned so much about myself that, you know, that's part of what made the whole work my life. And here we are today. That's so cool. So you've done it already?

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Zoo

Yeah, I.

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Luna

Like.

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Zoo

Yeah, I've been to two bars so far, and I took a quick 60 minutes in the bathroom, and we'll see how that evolve. The trip is.

00:18:41:02 - 00:19:13:05

Luna

Amazing. So fucking cool, And then we can celebrate. What do you think is best about that? So I talked to you initially at the very beginning of that story. Were you 14, 19? I think you were the number 19 and 19. Yeah. And so I have learned a lot in the years since. And one of the things I've noticed in myself, truly, is that my creativity continues to evolve in parallel with my own sex life.

00:19:13:06 - 00:19:33:21

Luna

I feel similar opening clothing, inspirations, connections. Now. I've also created a funny life where a lot of my actual creative work is related to sex and does turn me on to something personal like it's all wrapped up, but like, do you have any personal evidence or anecdotes for how your creative self is related to your sexual self? You could probably speak like does it?

00:19:33:23 - 00:19:37:09

Luna

Well, it is it. I know your creative juices. I would love to hear your thoughts.

00:19:37:11 - 00:19:59:23

Zoo

In this one. It is so funny that you say that because I was having this conversation literally two days ago with my new person. We were talking about it and like I very much view myself like I've, I've written poetry about this. I've used sex as like religion. For me, that isn't the closest thing that I have to a religious experience.

00:19:59:23 - 00:20:05:22

Zoo

And like I feel most connected spiritually when I'm like sexually active and actually for film, for.

00:20:06:00 - 00:20:08:06

Luna

The alone doesn't make a difference. Usually with a.

00:20:08:06 - 00:20:08:22

Zoo

Partner.

00:20:09:00 - 00:20:13:15

Luna

For me personally, you make sort of prayer.

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Zoo

I love that I'm so struggling to find like the spirituality of like so affects and makes me feel more special as that's just like getting off. And I was talking with like human about like how when I'm having a lot of really good sex, I feel way more creatively inspired in other ways. Like, it helps me tap into my creative energy of me and expressive artist and all the ways.

00:20:38:22 - 00:20:58:19

Zoo

And then they said, I'm impressed by you in a lot of ways, but sense as art is kind of your sweet spot. And then I was talking about how sex is my artistic expression, and it helps me, you know, get inspired if I'm not feeling particularly creatively. And so, yeah, literally, I was having this conversation yesterday. So it's very funny that you brought that up.

00:20:58:21 - 00:21:02:22

Zoo

I fully believe that sex and creativity are deeply, deeply mine.

00:21:03:00 - 00:21:28:02

Luna

I mean, it's literally our original creative. You see also. That's so fucking cool. Do you have any specific example of something that got inspired after a fucking session? And it's just like a super energized, clear, focused healing. And then when I talk to people, for example, hearing you talk just now, hearing these words from your lover describe you what I was telling him yesterday, like, make rowing fantasies.

00:21:28:02 - 00:21:28:17

Luna

I just.

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Zoo

Want to take.

00:21:29:08 - 00:21:32:16

Luna

More erotic photo and video. And I'm like.

00:21:32:18 - 00:21:33:06

Zoo

I don't know.

00:21:33:07 - 00:21:34:14

Luna

That I need to start a new side.

00:21:34:16 - 00:21:35:20

Zoo

Job. That's like a.

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Luna

Personal private boutique, like porn person. But I was talking with Kimberly last night over Twitter about a specific way of, like, masturbating. And then I just really want, you know, the part of me that wants to visualize everything, wants to hear all the details. I love looking like I'm such a, consensual voyeur. And so when I hear you do that, I'm like, oh man, a sexual artist.

00:21:57:16 - 00:22:13:09

Luna

I want to capture them and I want to be invited like a fly on the wall to see what it looks like, to see a picture like this part of me that to document everything. And I think that's kind of my, like, spiritual worship is the documentation. Is there anything like, what's the specific part that if you're a performer.

00:22:13:09 - 00:22:22:18

Luna

So obviously that's coming out in your sexual way, but like have you seen evidence of it. Not like a test, but just like because it's so funny for me to talk about here about because I know you said.

00:22:22:20 - 00:22:50:02

Zoo

You like you said, I think it's like just a generalized, like feeling much more creatively in line with, like my goals and feeling like I have a really good handle on them, like feeling that okay. S and read a lot of poetry, when I'm having sex. And that helps me, like organize my thoughts for like, better writing and, you know, expressing, you know, this spiritual, creative experience through poetry.

00:22:50:04 - 00:23:12:05

Zoo

I have a lot of like, post sex poems, you know, reliving the moment and trying to, like, capture the feeling of what good sex is not necessarily like place like, how does this feel in the moment if this for like in like a movie of the energy that you would see on the screen and how do I portray that word?

00:23:12:07 - 00:23:45:10

Luna

Well. So for me, I can only do the feeling part with visual of why I love visual art so much, because my words are so literal and concrete, and I have a really a lot of creativity. You know, like, I could speak in metaphor, but if I'm actually with trying to tell someone about the experience, I have this like strong drive for accuracy that can get kind of boring because you as a Pisces human Pisces ruled poetry like, I know you're Pisces Aquarius tough too, so it's like a very unique, individualized kind of probably, I would say, if I had to just.

00:23:45:10 - 00:23:46:16

Zoo

Extrapolate like.

00:23:46:18 - 00:24:12:05

Luna

Healing poetry for the group, if you ever shared it, if you ever chose to like, I don't know, maybe selfie video, you reading a poem or just making love in one of those bathrooms? That'd be pretty fucking cool to be in the bathroom. That could be. It's not to in a corner of it. My question about Long Road to Lesbos is, so you're on this road trip for a finite period of time, but it sounds like a long road, and it sounds like a project that maybe shouldn't end.

00:24:12:05 - 00:24:20:19

Luna

Or do you envision it continuing past this moment, or do see it as kind of like a brief, shining comment?

00:24:20:21 - 00:24:27:18

Zoo

I mean, the whole like reason why I decided to do this trip in the first place is because I want to open up a lesbian bar someday like that.

00:24:27:20 - 00:24:28:19

Luna

A long road.

00:24:28:21 - 00:24:50:06

Zoo

Is a very long road, but I've been planning it for most of the summer, and as I've been thinking about it, like depending on how to read it, I think it would make a really interesting book someday. Like, that's kind of what I'm thinking about it as now, once I do the trip, going into like more history of it, like this is more of like my anecdotal experience day to day.

00:24:50:06 - 00:25:06:23

Zoo

I'm not trying to like, you know, do an exposé or really talk about, like the history of the lesbian bar so much. But having all this information, my personal experience and then, you know, later on going back and being like, okay, what is the history? What are the cars that open and close? How have they changed over the years?

00:25:07:03 - 00:25:17:02

Zoo

I've even thought about, like, I want to go back to grad school at some point in like thinking about doing this is like the beginning of a thesis project. Something in that realm, I think is is the next step for this.

00:25:17:04 - 00:25:18:09

Luna

And also especially like if people.

00:25:18:09 - 00:25:38:11

Zoo

Like it like I want to figure out how to keep making like cool queer content. Like I have been joking, I just want to roll over like a queer empire. Like that's become like the life goal. It's just like, have the queer empire of all of these things that I've made or helped made or help facilitate, and I just get to watch them all unfold.

00:25:38:11 - 00:25:42:17

Zoo

And every day has beautiful, queer, sexy adventures. Yeah.

00:25:42:19 - 00:25:56:07

Luna

Okay, so lastly, I ask this question of regular sex stories, but it feels like it's still applicable here. You can help me decide what are your sexual hopes for your future and how.

00:25:56:09 - 00:26:42:22

Zoo

I want to keep having really beautiful, connected sex with a variety of partners, a variety of people. I really hope to continue exploring like kink and finding my spot within the cancer community. I've done it a lot more over the past couple of years and talk about it so much, but that's okay. Honing in on like, my kinky side and what that feels like and just gaining like even more confidence as like a lover and being able to, you know, I'm really good at reading people like in the moment sexually and like understanding what somebody is there once and being able to like that and then continuing to hone that and continuing to build the

00:26:42:22 - 00:26:51:03

Zoo

confidence for that. Like, you know, I like you said, I think having sex with me is a gift. And I want to give that gift to as many people as possible.

00:26:51:05 - 00:27:02:16

Luna

Like, yeah, that's a great answer. But where can people find you to support a long road to Lesbos or to just, you know, hang out with you on the internet because you're so often and have.

00:27:02:18 - 00:27:29:09

Zoo

So the long road to like this is on Instagram at the long road to let us. The blog is on the long road to lesbos.com and Patreon is safe, uncomfortable and Lesbos. All of those links are on the blog and the blog link is in. The Instagram flier all connects to one another and if you just want to hang out with me, I am u Holmstrom on Instagram and TikTok.

00:27:29:11 - 00:27:39:14

Zoo

Those are the things that I use the most. Probably, you know, follow me for sexy lesbian adventures. As I travel across the country.

00:27:39:16 - 00:27:43:17

Luna

Fuck yeah! Thank you so much for sharing this update. You're fucking amazing.