Kinky Queer Palm Springs Weekend: Updates with Kathy Kay of Strictly Anonymous
- Luna Robbie
- Jun 26, 2023
- 43 min read
🔗 KATHY LINKS | strictlyanonymouspodcast.com / @strictanonymous / x
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Luna
I have begged Kathy Kay of Strictly Anonymous to do this collaboration experiment, because I have been very conveniently disorganized with my bucket list. Doing sexy things has been happening haphazardly, and now we are halfway through the year and my bucket list once more crossed off. And my only fans once more bucket list drop offs. So I figure that if I report to Kathy, my podcast mommy.com every two weeks and report to Patreon on the weeks in between, I might actually find my rhythm.
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Luna
Instead of getting distracted trying to do every single erotic job at the same time. Especially when I keep interviewing and getting inspired by people who are doing such amazing things. I mean personal and professional. You are all incredibly sexually inspiring. I love picking, love hearing from you. So enjoy this collaboration with Kathy K! Go join Patreon if you want to hear even more of my details on the in-between weeks, and remember that you are all invited to influence what happens next.
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Luna
And please, please, please, please tell me if you yourself are crossing anything juicy off of your bucket list.
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Kathy
I mean, I don't know what could be left on your bucket list, okay? Or your bucket list because, like last time you were on my show, you've done a lot of stuff. When it comes to, like, you know, sex, I'm surprised that there's still things on your bucket list that you haven't done. Like. And that's what we're going to discuss.
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Kathy
You have a lot of things on that list, and I am very curious of what those things are, because they got to be hardcore, because you've not done a lot of stuff. No, no, Kathy.
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Luna
I have so much to explain to you.
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Kathy
What is it? Your bucket list. You want to hold hands with somebody? It's like the opposite of a bucket list for, like, you know, it's like a vanilla bucket list because you're so not vanilla.
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Luna
So my bucket list is a project that has only grown. It started with sex stories, with hearing what people are into on sex stories. And I was like, I want to try that. I want to try that. I've done a lot of the things. But the reason this bucket list is important to me now is because what I'm actually interested in is doing them and documenting each thing.
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Luna
So, like I have officially checked off and documented the basics. I have had sex on camera, I gave a blowjob on camera. I've squirted on camera. Actually, I don't think a person has gone down on me on camera yet, so I have hundreds of items. Kathy. It's locations, it's types of roleplay, it's fetishes, it's partners with fetishes. But I don't have that I want to explore, and it's really out of hand, and I want to tell you what I'm going to do next so that I actually do it.
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Luna
And it's a lot. It's a lot. I feel like you're going to get impatient and interrupt me when I start telling you all the details.
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Kathy
No, I'm going to I'm going to put you to fucking task. I'm like your dom where you call me, you're like,
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Luna
I think of you as my podcast mommy Dom.
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Kathy
I love that title. I'm going to podcast mommy Dom you into doing all of these things on your bucket list.
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Luna
I think it would be good.
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Kathy
I think so too. It is. It will be fun and it's like it puts you on task. Then you have to do it because I am the type of person. If you're like, if we set this up and you're saying you're going to do it and then you're going to come back out and we're going to talk about it, you better fucking do it.
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Kathy
Like I'm like one of those people, like, I'm going to hold you to it. No flaking out or anything. So this is a done deal. These things are being checked off okay the minute we hang up. But what I want to know, why don't you just explain? Because I think it's interesting. The person who's super open and has been there, done that.
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Kathy
Like, what made you decide to go down this path of this new bucket list?
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Luna
So I think I have a work kink, and I think I have a learning kink. And the way I'm using that word means I'm just like obsessed. And sex stories really spiraled my bucket list into being totally out of hand. So what what happened was initially I was just interviewing and I was kind of keeping track of things as I went.
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Luna
So I was like, oh, I want to try Pussy Pump. Oh, I want to try that position. Oh, I want someone to pull my toe when I come. And so I've had these like this disparate list, like just in notes all over the place. And finally, maybe like February of last year, 2020 2nd February, I'm like, I need to get organized.
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Luna
And Kathy, I've been getting organized with my bucket list ever since, and I have over 400 items on my regular spreadsheet. And I was like, this is too much, you know, because I wish I went and like, looked at lists of fetishes and I was like, oh, I haven't learned. You know, I haven't heard of some of these.
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Luna
I'm learning about all kinds of things. Like I learned that I have what's called vicar philia, like I live vicariously, or maybe it's like biker philia. I live vicariously, like, I get so excited and turned on through other people's experiences and stories. But I also have a lot of other things I want to try. So I found this list of fetishes and then, you know, took the ones that I want and found my hard limits.
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Luna
I have literally hundreds of things on this. And then I made the mistake of because I was preparing to talk to you and I like went on set life. And I was like, I'll just like look at all of the fat like fetishes. And there's literally like another thousand of them. And I keep going through and I'm like, there's not a whole lot of no's here.
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Luna
And I think for me, the thing that is most juicy about not just doing them, not just sharing the verbal story about it, but capturing it, appeals to me because a I'm a bit of a voyeur, you know, I love erotic photography because I love looking at naked people and watching sex and watching the, you know, feeling into the erotic energy.
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Luna
And I'm really good at capturing that. And then for myself, I get turned on watching myself, and I want to go through and organize and to share the entire process with people, because whatever, it's my own personal offering, creating the adult sex education that I wish that I had had. And I know there are some people out there who are doing similar things, but I really have lots of fantasies about when I get into the partnered element, having partners who will talk to me ahead of time about what we're going to do, like negotiate the specifics, and then recap afterwards.
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Luna
So that's kind of like where I'm where it's growing. And in the meantime, I'm doing stuff that I as a one woman team, can handle. And so that's it. So it's really spiraled out of control. That's why I want like I want you to take me to task. I have a few things today. And I kind of thought maybe you would help me pick which ones to prioritize and or, you know, if things don't go according to plan or like, if I, if I run into snafus, I can just talk about it instead of spending a year and a half sort of being like, now this, now that and I have crossed off some
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Luna
things, they just haven't all been documented yet.
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Kathy
So, oh, let's tell some people some hot stories. Let's talk about some of the things you've done.
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Luna
Okay. So some stuff that I've done that's not documented is like being an erotic photographer. That's probably my number one favorite thing. I don't think I'm ever going to get someone to do behind the scenes of that. But I do have a fantasy. Oh God, this is too unprofessional for fantasy to share. You can tell me what you think.
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Luna
I do have a fantasy of finding people to work with. I have not crossed this line. I have not crossed this line. But I have such a fantasy of, like helping people make content. And then after the professional part is over, like clicking, vibing and being like, oh my God, of course we want to co-create content, but I kind of like love the idea of just doing that of I don't know, I don't know if that counts as an item, but I've been doing lots of erotic photography that was on the list.
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Luna
That's not like my own personal sex thing. The thing that I have done that's my own personal sex thing that I have caught on camera is, I don't think I've even told you this. I have maybe like 15 or so erotic Polaroids that are anonymous of me with other lovers. Have I told you about this?
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Kathy
No.
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Luna
Okay. That is, I'm dating. I'm casually dating. I have people that I fuck and I want like a snapshot for me to masturbate to later of like the experience in some way, shape or form. So for the camera shy people is usually like, come on my face, come on. My titties like me smiling afterwards. But for the ones who are adventurous and brave, it might be like the first point of insertion or like as I'm about to blow them or something.
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Luna
So I have like this good little album of Polaroids. I want more of those. So that's like an ongoing thing. So I don't know if that's like a crossed off bucket list item or if each one of those is a bucket list item. One of those that's the hottest, is the insertion of me being with someone who is having their first penetrative sexual experience that that makes it so.
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Luna
It's like in the moment of insertion. Like a virgin. Yeah.
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Kathy
Would a virgin. So I how do you find these virgins? I mean, virgins exist.
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Luna
There's lots of virgins.
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Kathy
I mean, you're obviously not having sex with underage men, but you're not fired up over age men. I don't like virgins or like.
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Luna
Yeah, I mean, they're very shy, but that's why also having. You know what? If I'm like, I need an erotic Polaroid friend. You know, I need a bucket list, buddy. Oftentimes there are. I mean, yeah, there's lots of virgins. There's 2030s, 40s, I mean, and the older they get, the more appreciative of my type of willing partnership they tend to be.
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Kathy
So that's let me tell you. Yeah, I have had some of them. I'm sorry. Fit like I have to stop you there because, you know, you really are. It's almost like a mother Teresa thing going on here, because it's me. I mean, yeah, like the fact that you would take that on is otherworldly, you know? I mean, I would run for the fucking hills if there was, like, a 40 year old guy that had never had sex.
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Kathy
I kind of like a player that's been there, done that. I like a guy is good and fucking bad, and I like a guy that like sex and has experience, you know? But I think it's like, you know, and it's and I think a lot of people roll like me. Right? The fact that you exist and you're really hot and you could, you know, roll with the players and the guys that have all that experience.
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Kathy
And you happen to be one of those people, too. But you also love to take a guy who is like that virgin at 40 or a girl, and you would fuck him or girl and you would fuck him or her. I mean, these guys should be lining up at your door, I don't know. Well, well.
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Luna
I was going to say maybe we shouldn't even say that out loud, but, so I will say I don't just have sex with any virgin. I do get a lot of offers on the table. I typically make sure that there is like a, a deep personal connection already. Like, I'm not just like a random out to fuck chick that's available for anyone who's lonely.
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Luna
Although I do get a lot of messages from people who are complete strangers on the internet that are like, hey, you free tonight? And I'm like, I don't want no, you know? So these are these are people that are friends with me or we've already formed a connection through work. I already know them. And so it's like a happy gift to give.
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Luna
And there's usually some sort of like exchange that feels, you know, balanced. So that's, that's a really that's probably one of my hottest Polaroids. Also, it's a circular framed one. I don't know if you know, but I like circles so that yeah, that's one thing. The other stuff that's been on my bucket list that I've done this year is some of the educational stuff that I want to take part in, so that I can continue to hone my skills as a top, as a dominatrix.
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Luna
So I so I took a rope workshop, I took a flogging workshop. I just got home from this very kinky weekend long event for queers in Palm Springs. It was a bunch of like, queer films of trans boys. I did a slapping workshop. I did like a massage to cause pain workshop. So I know how to like beating some skin now and then.
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Luna
I also was like learning about being a sassy submissive. I don't think I learned very well about that because I'm a I'm a very good girl. For me, it's a lot of just education, sex and then working in the creative components. That really turns me on. And so now I'm just trying.
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Kathy
Yeah. But yeah. We need to talk about your weekend. Okay. Is there any, like, sex going down at this flogging? Yeah. Weekend that you're not like, did you hook up with queer fam?
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Luna
No. So here's here's what? No. So I didn't hook up with people because I am really practicing my social skills. I also just don't feel compelled to hook up with total strangers without deep conversation, or at least a little conversation like meeting total randos. You know, I love being in a space where we can all be like, naked by the pool and, like, people are doing queer, kinky things.
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Luna
And I get to be kind of a voyeur and just, like, watch and learn all sorts of weird shit. But I really, you know, the same reason that I don't typically play with strangers at sex parties is because that is not a turn on to me. If someone wants to have sex with me, I don't want it to be because I'm available and available.
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Luna
Body like I'm great. I'm special. I want them to. At least in the container that we create together, feel that. So this weekend of queer people was really like there was lots of very hot stuff.
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Kathy
Yeah. Like, what is the stuff that you saw? Like, I would assume the voyeur in you. Oh my God, that's probably enough. I mean, you're seeing all kinds of stuff happening.
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Luna
So let me paint the picture for you. This hotel where it was, it was a hotel takeover. So it's one of those spaces that, like, the rooms are all around the outside and the courtyard with the pool is in the center. So you walk in the entranceway and there's a whole, like, piece of paper covering the whole wall entrance, where people just write their desires for the weekend.
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Luna
So it's like what they want to have happen to them. And people are like, I don't want to get fisted, I want this, I want that. And I did write that I was willing or someone wanted to do the fisting. I wrote that I was willing, but I never met up with that person. But it's a way that people kind of like connect.
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Kathy
I would have been fisted or the fist or which one did you know?
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Luna
No, I want to. I want to be fist it. That's one thing that's online.
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Kathy
Oh, okay. Okay.
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Luna
But but I never connected with that person. It seemed like people knew people already, and they were like setting up scenes throughout the day and night and a lot of the free play was like happening at night. And then like, oh, I get tired at like 10:00. Like I go to bed. I don't stay up all night to fuck, which is one of my other things.
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Luna
But I was mostly there for workshops and observing and trying to meet people. And around me I was seeing hot babes in a blow up pool, splashing covered in chocolate sirup. I was seeing like animalistic wrestling types covered in oil that then would turn into like a primal play chase scene, and they would pee on each other in the alley.
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Kathy
If this is all girl on girl action, correct.
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Luna
Because it's it's queer and trans people. So it's it's folks of all kind. You might see body parts of all kind, but it's no cis men, basically. And so it's a very safe feeling space. I was naked the whole time, you know, I walk in and take off my clothes and I love that we would like stuff and stuff and we, you know, people had picnics, there was food.
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Luna
There was all kinds of like it was a mish mash, but it was lots of people, just lots of them everywhere. And so I'm watching that happen. The first thing that we saw upon entry, because I went with Kimberly, my editor, the two of us went together for work trip.
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Kathy
Oh my God. Hilarious. Yeah, I was I guess you guys have always seen each other naked before.
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Luna
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we we were friends first, and I was actually the first person to ever see Kimberly naked because Kimberly was a guest on the show. And then I ended up taking pictures of them because I offer photo if I record with someone in person, I'll be like, do you want to shoot? So we have a very comfortable relationship.
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Luna
That's not weird. Like we have a friendship. We talk about a lot. And Kimberly was actually the one that was like, let's do it, let's book tickets. When I told them about the like actual event. So the first thing we saw though, Kathy, when we walked in, we were like heading toward the pool and we saw like a bunch of people set up under this tent and they just had I was like, oh, are they doing makeup?
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Luna
There's like red on their face. No, no, no. They were doing needle play in, on and near their eyes. It was like eye based needle play. So that was like a really intense thing to walk into that some people get I think my favorite was the pussy slapping workshop, because a lady, Carrie, who taught it was just a fucking like babe of a human being.
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Luna
And it was like, so fun to be in a workshop environment where I was like, all right, partner up with someone you don't know. And I was the slappy. No, I wasn't this lovely. Yeah, I was one thing. No, I was you were.
00:15:07:07 - 00:15:07:23
Kathy
The one I was getting.
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Luna
Yeah. I want to get yeah. So there were like submissives on this side and like, you know, tops on that side. Whatever. And I did practice slap, you know, so I learned some of the basics of just like a hand cupping shape and how to do the weight. If you're the top and make it so your arm doesn't get too tired and all of that, sort of those mechanics and a little bit of choking, like creating the pressure, sliding your hand up the throat and like where to hit, not hit.
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Luna
And all of that to like, not break wind pipes and not cut off all your blood flow. Not by. But it was so hot to have a stranger just like assigned to slap my pussy, you know? And actually, the first person that I partnered with was there with a partner, and their partner was like, clearly uncomfortable, even when we were just doing like the thigh slaps, which is where we.
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Kathy
Start.
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Luna
And then we move and then we move to Titty Slap. So just like dropping your hand down on the titty. And that's when their partner started to kind of look uncomfortable. And then for the pussy slaps, they were like, I can't do this one with you. And I was like, okay, I found a very cute, butch, queer to slap my pussy.
00:16:03:21 - 00:16:26:22
Luna
So that was very fun. And it was also like, I wish that I'd had like a luxurious setting. I wish I had a bed to lay on. I wish I had had, you know, or whatever, where like cramped in these little rooms. And there's like folding chairs and all of that. So it definitely also stoked my personal desire to, you know, my ultimate fantasy is to have like a grown up, art camp style retreat space where people can just go and learn, but it's like high end and nice.
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Luna
Like, imagine any of the nicest resort. I mean, I'm sure there's something like that I've heard there. They're like play places in the tropics and these and certain places. Do you know anything about that? Like if you interviewed swingers or people who go to those like weird hotels or anything, hotel take.
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Kathy
Of course, hotel takeovers, the absolute hotel takeovers.
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Luna
But like the hotels that like exist for that. Like aren't there spaces in on certain players.
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Kathy
Like adult, adult.
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Luna
Adult only spaces. Yeah. So I've never been to one of those.
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Kathy
No, no, you're not the type. Those are. This is all I know how you roll. And this is like, you're all the go in there and you're just sort of watching and doing. But like, I think ultimately where you want to wind up is that you are creating all these kind of spaces and you're doing it, you know, I don't see you so much as the participant always.
00:17:12:12 - 00:17:19:23
Kathy
I think you want to eventually, like be the person because it sounds like this is what your bucket list is all about. You're creating all those kinds of things. You know what I mean?
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Luna
The whole point of the bucket list is to help other people learn as I learn, and it's also so that I can learn that eventually I make my sci fi, sex ed musical feature film, mission 69. And so as I'm working on that, as I'm writing that, it is really all of this is just spiraled out into like a gigantic bucket list rabbit hole that's taken over my life.
00:17:38:13 - 00:17:42:15
Luna
Like, I don't know if you know this, but I started out as a filmmaker and an actor, like, I'm.
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Kathy
A I'm yeah, I have.
00:17:43:14 - 00:18:09:13
Luna
To create. Okay. And so that's still the ultimate goal with mission 69. But I really only care about that and my wiggle movie in the future. And in the meantime, I'm having so much fun, just like learning all the sexy things and trying to get laid. So that's the other main point of the bucket list, is getting laid with people who are willing to get laid with me on camera, because I don't like the disparity in my life of like, oh, you're the social one, and I'm going to be shy next to you.
00:18:09:13 - 00:18:17:14
Luna
And, you know, like that. That's been kind of weird. As sex stories gets bigger. And because I didn't do the thing that you did where I'm private and hiding.
00:18:17:16 - 00:18:18:06
Kathy
Yeah.
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Luna
So I'm really excited to, like, fuck with people who can, like, you know, be out in public with me. And but the whole point of everything is mission 69. And then beyond that would be a space. Although I will say.
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Kathy
Oh, wait, no, I gotta cut you off. Why just be in.
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Luna
Charge of stuff?
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Kathy
It just sounds like you're the creator that. Well, no.
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Luna
It's just because it's these spaces I want don't exist yet. And for my little autistic brain, there's not the communication that I would need in place. And then when I talk to people, they're like, yeah, I feel kind of sleazy. It wasn't that weird. And I'm like, cause they don't have good rules, and I would make really good rules and hold them strictly, you know?
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Luna
So.
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Kathy
Exactly. Yeah. It's not nothing set up the way you want to. You're eventually going to create all the places and spaces that you want. Can we go back to that first thing that was on your bucket list where you're like, oh, I want to interview people and then or video? No, no, no, it was a video tape. People having sex and then maybe they then turn the camera around and you have sex with them.
00:19:10:23 - 00:19:11:12
Kathy
Correct.
00:19:11:14 - 00:19:35:08
Luna
That's all I want. It's just the next level of sex stories. Like it grew out of sex stories. It's like, I just want to be able to, you know, initially I was like, I want to get a trailer and go around the country and find the lovers. And, you know, before I fuck them, we'll talk about what we want to do and we'll document that process and then we'll fuck and we'll document that process, and then we'll recap and we'll document that process, and then maybe we recreate it as like a porno where we're performing more or not.
00:19:35:08 - 00:19:49:06
Luna
You know, that's the bucket list content that I want to create. And, you know, that's not legal to do in every state. So now I'm figuring out logistics. I've hired a lawyer, I'm working on paperwork, I'm working on collaborations. And that's why I'm like, okay, I guess maybe we'll just work with porn people. I don't know, you know?
00:19:49:06 - 00:19:52:11
Luna
So I'm open to it unfolding in lots of ways.
00:19:52:11 - 00:20:11:08
Kathy
Listen, I think that there it's like a very specific and niche. If you do the thing where you're interviewing regular people. I mean, listen, there could be some porn people in there, but I think if you're just do what you typically do on sex stories, but then will sleep with the people, or you're videotaping people and then sleep with them like an interview them like, I don't think anyone else does that.
00:20:11:08 - 00:20:15:21
Kathy
I think it's very specific. It's very your own thing. And yeah, it's porn.
00:20:15:22 - 00:20:37:01
Luna
How many people who come to be anonymous on a podcast are then going to want to be filmed? Like, I have a hard time even getting my regular lovers who I'm not even trying to publish anything on OnlyFans with to use a camera like people are. So in my experience recently, the people I have sucked are so body conscious and so shy that I'm just like, well, I don't know.
00:20:37:01 - 00:20:37:19
Luna
Then well, that's.
00:20:37:19 - 00:20:41:02
Kathy
Because you're going after virgins, okay, no, I'm not going after them.
00:20:41:04 - 00:20:43:23
Luna
Kathy. I'm opportunistic about everything.
00:20:44:01 - 00:20:45:17
Kathy
I'm just joke. Joking. Stop.
00:20:45:18 - 00:21:03:03
Luna
Oh, the final piece of this spiral, though. Now I'm going to go get my masters in sexual health. So that's also going to be learning, you know. So I'm going to be like learning stuff officially along the way. Exploring the entire hierarchy is on my bucket list. So what's at the top right now for me is phone sex.
00:21:03:03 - 00:21:09:21
Luna
I'm on Sex Panther. I haven't actually done it yet though, so that's kind of, I think what I'm going to be reporting about next time we talk.
00:21:10:01 - 00:21:12:20
Kathy
Why don't you just fucking do it? What are you waiting for?
00:21:12:22 - 00:21:29:13
Luna
Here's what I need to do. Sex Panther a schedule. So I'm going to start Monday, June 25th. I think I'm going to do 9 to 10 p.m., maybe 9 to 11 Pacific. If I have the energy, I usually go to bed between 10 and 11. I need a cozy setup. I think this could be a good cozy setup.
00:21:29:13 - 00:21:44:00
Luna
I'm trying to decide if I want to like, redo my bed area to do stuff in there, and then I just need to kind of like build out my Sexy Panther profile and tell people about it. So that's like step number one. I'm very excited. I've never actually had regular phone sex.
00:21:44:02 - 00:21:46:14
Kathy
With the person that you're, like, hooking up with.
00:21:46:16 - 00:21:58:23
Luna
I've had video sex and like zoom sex, but I've never had and I've had like, like exchange hot audio messages. But I've never been just like on the phone being like, what are you.
00:21:58:23 - 00:22:03:12
Kathy
Wearing? Oh, that's probably like the easiest of all of the above. So you'll get professional.
00:22:03:15 - 00:22:15:00
Luna
I'm excited. Yeah. And I'm and I'm really excited because I recently interviewed a couple of people who do phone sex, and they get to hear even more interesting sex stories. So I'm like.
00:22:15:02 - 00:22:16:09
Kathy
Wait, I can't imagine.
00:22:16:09 - 00:22:19:19
Luna
Perfect for me. Maybe you should do it too, because I feel like you would be really good.
00:22:19:19 - 00:22:47:08
Kathy
I gotta say. Yeah, listen, I gotta say, there was a time, a long time ago when there was like, it was like one 800, like phone sex, and you could charge like, 299 an hour, and people were really doing it. I wanted to do a thing where I would like record things because people always like my voice. And yeah, if I do, I mean, I'm not going to pat myself on the back, but like when I have done phone sex with people in my life, like if I, you know, once I turn that switch on, I could do it really good, right?
00:22:47:13 - 00:23:01:20
Kathy
But it's like it's sort of like I become another person and it's kind of exhausting, not exhausting, but it's like I'm clicking into a whole other part of myself. And I don't know that I could do that for hours every day. And, you know, I want to do something else in my life. And so it's just not my thing.
00:23:01:20 - 00:23:03:07
Kathy
But I will be good at it.
00:23:03:07 - 00:23:03:23
Luna
But what about.
00:23:03:23 - 00:23:24:19
Kathy
Like I would have I don't know that I could click it. Yeah. An hour. Sure. Click into that part of you and just fucking do it and be really dirty. You know, it's like fun. I like, I have that alter ego in me that I could do it, but yeah, that's not going to happen. But I think that, you know, if you get it up and running by next week, you should give out the information or I'll give it out on the, on the intro.
00:23:24:19 - 00:23:25:17
Luna
Because know.
00:23:25:19 - 00:23:27:05
Kathy
You start listening to this.
00:23:27:05 - 00:23:33:12
Luna
On wylie.com/links. There has been a sex panther link for a couple of months. All I have to do.
00:23:33:14 - 00:23:34:22
Kathy
So that's all I have to go to.
00:23:34:22 - 00:23:42:11
Luna
Yeah, and I'm at Wylie everywhere. It's weird. People sometimes call me Y ho, which I think is very funny because.
00:23:42:13 - 00:23:43:07
Kathy
Yeah, I like that.
00:23:43:07 - 00:23:59:08
Luna
I got lots of answers. I know why, you know, as I'm exploring the work. So that's not very exciting to me. Sex Panther is that I it's also a good challenge because typically with dirty talk, I kind of need to get to know someone like for for that. But I love the idea.
00:23:59:11 - 00:24:04:14
Kathy
Oh, you're not going to get you can't get to know people on Sex Panther. Well, you didn't.
00:24:04:14 - 00:24:27:05
Luna
Let me finish. I love the idea of someone coming on. They know what they want, and then I get to practice the explicit communication. So with the whole situation where I just get to practice explicit conversations over and over again, I love. I love fulfilling people's fantasies. I mean, that's that's where I end up with a virgin. Like, I meet someone, I get to know them, I like them, and they're like, oh my God, there's this crazy thing.
00:24:27:05 - 00:24:45:15
Luna
Like, I've never I would, I would love to little. And now I'm, you know, special sparkly to them because I'm a sex expert in the eyes of so many. I don't even have my degree yet, but I have been researching for five years, so that's that's why I'm really excited, because I think it'll help me release the story that I have in my head of, like, oh, I need to get to know someone because I don't think that's actually true.
00:24:45:15 - 00:24:47:18
Luna
I just want to make sure that I'm pleasing them.
00:24:47:20 - 00:25:03:02
Kathy
I forget, I'm sorry, but I do forget that you live a little bit or a lot in that Bdsm world, and that Bdsm world is there is a lot of like talking and shit that goes down, you know? So what do you mean? I think sometimes, like, I forget that.
00:25:03:02 - 00:25:05:04
Luna
Oh, you mean you mean instead of just.
00:25:05:04 - 00:25:21:02
Kathy
Like, more of what you're looking for? You know, it's kind of just like, let's get to the fucking action. That's the world I kind of live in, you know what I mean? Like, you know, I mean, there was so much blah, blah, blah. I just I'm not into it. But here's the thing. So I think that though there are all I'm saying is that I'm wrong.
00:25:21:02 - 00:25:39:23
Kathy
It's not like everyone's going to call your phone and it's going to be like me, like, let's just get fucking to it. You know, there is that whole world of people that are into kink and Bdsm, and there's a lot more of that kind of stuff that you're looking for. And because I think that you're very much that kind of personality that I forget, you know, like that there is a thing for that.
00:25:39:23 - 00:25:47:08
Kathy
People are going to be like, Kathy, you're crazy. Like plenty of people are going to want to talk and connect and have all that other stuff. I just it's just not my thing, you know what I mean?
00:25:47:10 - 00:26:01:20
Luna
I don't know if I know what you mean. I just know that the people I've interviewed who talk about phone sex say that usually the pattern is someone calls, they have an idea, the type of interaction they want, and they tell the service provider, I love making people's fantasies come true in that realm, I know.
00:26:01:20 - 00:26:14:22
Kathy
But when they're telling their fantasy, they're not like, you know, asking you questions about yourself and you're getting to know them. They're going to be like, okay, I want you to be the masses, and I'm going to be the guy laying down. And then I want you to come over and pull down your pants. I'm going to finger you and then want you to fuck me like.
00:26:14:22 - 00:26:28:09
Luna
You know what I mean when I say get to know you. I mean get to know your kink. Someone you like sexually. I literally just mean like like, where are your buttons? What? Because that's my favorite thing about sex stories. Like, I guess what I really want, someone wants to date me. Come be a fucking guest on sex stories.
00:26:28:09 - 00:26:45:12
Luna
I think this might be my new filtration. When I'm online dating. It's like you want to get to know me. If you if you are not at the point in your, like, personal self-expression as a sexual being where you can at least anonymously talk to me on my own podcast about all of my favorite topics, we probably aren't fit to fuck, you know?
00:26:45:18 - 00:27:12:04
Luna
Like, certainly not. You know, outside of phone sex, like, paid sort of situation. I'll make you a thing for OnlyFans. I'll do, you know, I'll make some custom content. But I also just on phone sex. There's no way to do the vanilla version of, like, eyes across the room, walk toward each other with kind of like wiggly open mouth, and then you just you're on each other like I don't, you know, I'm not interested in that in real life any way, because that sex gets really boring for me really fast.
00:27:12:04 - 00:27:12:15
Kathy
Yeah.
00:27:12:21 - 00:27:33:03
Luna
And I like the mental aspect, and I'm just so curious to hear what what people are going to be into a lot of flip stuff. I really want to meet people. I want to meet someone with like a giant test set anyway. But that's those are specific bucket list things. But I have a feeling that through the course of phone sex, I'll at least get to like, start to explore a lot of the other fetishes that are on my list.
00:27:33:05 - 00:27:51:12
Luna
But that's like the most tangible one. And then I am getting a pedicure this week. So my for my like, tangible solo content, because I don't know if I can make visual content of me doing phone sex. This is kind of what I was noodling on. I'm like, I guess I could make a time lapse of me doing it and then masturbate afterward.
00:27:51:12 - 00:28:01:15
Luna
But like, I don't know how I, share the learning experience because I don't think I'm gonna take, you know, I'm not going to take people's personal calls. Although maybe I could just take my side of the conversation. Ooh. What do you think?
00:28:01:17 - 00:28:13:02
Kathy
I don't know, I mean, I don't know that you could combine them because how do you get consent? And I don't know. And then if it's one sided, does it will it flow? Maybe you can.
00:28:13:04 - 00:28:29:11
Luna
Maybe it'll just be like a masturbation recap afterward. I'll figure that out. So maybe that'll be on my exploration list as I do the phone sex and then I'll just plan on recapping the phone sex to you. But visually, the item that I want to cross off before I talk to you next is finally like diligently creating flip content.
00:28:29:11 - 00:28:47:08
Luna
So I'm getting a pedicure on Thursday and I have never asked. Like I have lots and lots of videos somewhere in my phone, in my content, in these different files of like my toes wiggling in and out of hot tubs of different things. But I'm really excited to talk to more feet people and to see like what they would want my toes to make for them.
00:28:47:12 - 00:29:02:06
Luna
So I really like that. I really, really, really want to. I don't know how to make this happen on a specific timeline, but I really want to go on a date with a foot fetish person to a place that has like, nice white tablecloths and I want to play footsie with them under the table, like while we're eating.
00:29:02:06 - 00:29:04:22
Kathy
So do you think that you're, like, into feet?
00:29:05:13 - 00:29:22:14
Luna
No. No, I don't have a foot fetish myself, but that's a good example of something where it's like, I want to play with someone who does because I'm really curious about it. I'm curious and I'm curious if my responsive desire would kick in. And then maybe I would like you. I do like to suck on partner's toes and things like, but like I don't.
00:29:22:15 - 00:29:34:20
Luna
The way I hear foot fetish people talk, I don't think I have a foot fetish, but I like love. I get really into my partners, especially if I'm really into them, you know? And then I love every part of their body. And that's kind of all I've played with so far.
00:29:34:22 - 00:29:52:09
Kathy
I don't think women have fetishes. I really explain it to me once. Yeah. Diane Hansen once explained why women don't have fetishes, but guys do it. It made complete sense. And I'm sorry, but I totally don't remember what she. She's a smart bitch. I have to say. I just don't think. Yeah, I don't think women have fetishes. Guys do.
00:29:52:09 - 00:30:12:07
Kathy
But I think it's a part of you that you like to also. I mean, you know, you're a voyeur. You're an exhibitionist. You like to turn people on. It does sound like maybe it's that part of you, too. I mean, if you get a foot fetish guy and you know, you're like, there is some sort of power in getting him off with your toes, you know, that must be like, that's a part of the term.
00:30:12:07 - 00:30:20:18
Luna
You know, Kathy, I'm opposite of you. For me, I don't want to have power. That's not my turn on my. I'm so powerful in my everyday life. I would like to give away my heart.
00:30:20:20 - 00:30:21:22
Kathy
No no no no, stop.
00:30:21:22 - 00:30:22:10
Luna
It's not.
00:30:22:12 - 00:30:42:16
Kathy
Conserving power. It's that. No, no, no, it's not about a power. It's about that. Like you like to me. I get turned on by turning somebody else on. That's what I'm saying. Like you. Oh, yeah. You know, you were. That's what I mean, that that feeling of like, you have a foot fetish guy and you're doing something, and you're getting him so turned on like, that's hot.
00:30:42:16 - 00:30:45:04
Kathy
Yeah. Somebody like, what the. Yeah, that's what I mean.
00:30:45:04 - 00:31:02:01
Luna
And it creates a loop of turn on because whoever that person is is also fulfilling my desire and fantasy to explore this, you know. And so it's, so it creates then the mutual turn on loop and I'm like, how do I say even if it's not my personal fetish, I guess? Yeah, I guess since I don't have a fetish I'm gonna have to research.
00:31:02:01 - 00:31:02:18
Kathy
This, research.
00:31:02:18 - 00:31:04:14
Luna
It it also depends on the definition of fetish.
00:31:04:14 - 00:31:06:03
Kathy
But do you have any fetishes?
00:31:06:03 - 00:31:07:12
Luna
I don't know, I mean, like.
00:31:07:17 - 00:31:16:14
Kathy
No you don't. You would know by now if you had them. Every fetish person I talked to, their fetish, reared their, their ugly heads when they were little kids.
00:31:16:14 - 00:31:31:09
Luna
My understanding is like fetish is a sexual desire. Turn on arousal that you like, need to get off. So I don't know if I have that, but I definitely have, like an obsession with sex, but I haven't, like, I don't I don't know anyone else in my personal life who is.
00:31:32:10 - 00:31:44:07
Kathy
Here. A fetishes are rare and they're almost unheard of in women. In 1983, study on people diagnosed with sexual fetishism in a hospital found only 48 cases in a 20 year period. I don't know, I don't, I don't.
00:31:44:09 - 00:31:48:17
Luna
I don't know the study from 40 years ago that was probably defined into really what.
00:31:48:20 - 00:31:51:06
Kathy
You are like the okay, well I know.
00:31:51:07 - 00:32:03:04
Luna
Let's stop it. I'm going to go get my masters and then maybe I'll get a PhD. We'll see. I'm going to research. I just someone else would just send me some, some literature, some academic literature to read. So like, I'll, I'll go read it or I'll read it.
00:32:03:04 - 00:32:12:02
Kathy
I don't know, I just never have had it. But like of anyone listening, a woman, like, email me because I would love to have that on because I've talked about it many times on my show. It is an interesting topic.
00:32:12:07 - 00:32:27:11
Luna
Yeah. So the next thing that I'm really excited about is a spanking skirt. This one feels very doable and I can actually take pictures in it. And if I find a partner who's willing to spank me on camera, I feel like I can totally do that. Have you experienced a spanking skirt or do you know what those are?
00:32:27:12 - 00:32:31:16
Kathy
You know what those are a spanking skirt. No. No idea. I've never heard of it. What's a spanking.
00:32:31:16 - 00:32:47:12
Luna
Skirt? It's a skirt. Like a usually a pencil skirt. Some of them are made out of latex, which wearing latex is also on my bucket list. The butt is cut out the ass, so it's ass less so. It's like you're totally covered except for your ass. And so I want to get spanked in one of those.
00:32:47:14 - 00:32:49:18
Kathy
Okay. Yeah. There you go. I think spanking is hot.
00:32:49:20 - 00:32:56:06
Luna
I've been very into spanking lately. I have a partner right now who really likes to spank me, and I love it.
00:32:56:08 - 00:33:09:20
Kathy
Yeah, because it just like a create. Like, it's like, I think the whole thing about it is like, you get, like, I don't know, you stimulate. And then if you touch that area that has been spank so much and just like highly sensitized. Right. That's like, yeah. So hot about it.
00:33:10:00 - 00:33:10:09
Luna
Oh yeah.
00:33:10:10 - 00:33:11:04
Kathy
Oh yeah.
00:33:11:06 - 00:33:26:23
Luna
I went was thinking workshop at that event as well. That was the other one I forgot. And so it was like just showing and it was so cool to watch like the Dom who was doing it. She was like using this cute little bottom or this little bottom bottom and just, you know, showing kind of the sensitive places to hit the directions to hit.
00:33:26:23 - 00:33:43:20
Luna
And she said something. I thought it was very helpful. If you're looking at an ass, think of the heart shaped like around the crack and like those a really good spot. You know, if you're slapping kind of in an upward direction, it just stimulates blood flow to the entire area. And our bullets are buried deep inside there if we are owners or prostates if you are a prostate owner.
00:33:43:20 - 00:33:49:05
Luna
And so that is usually pretty good at waking up some, sensitive parts.
00:33:49:06 - 00:33:53:03
Kathy
Roll. Right. So the. Do you did you buy your spanking skirt? Yeah.
00:33:53:05 - 00:34:09:18
Luna
No, I was just trying to look some up, actually, on my drive home while I was driving here with my sister, I found a cool one on stock room. It looks latex and it looks like special order. So I want to see. I might go in person and see if they have something. Do you have favorite sex? Do you ever go in person or do you just like order stuff?
00:34:09:18 - 00:34:14:07
Luna
Or do you even do in sex store at this point, I don't know.
00:34:14:09 - 00:34:30:23
Kathy
No, I don't have any sex. You know, it's funny, my best friend did, when I was in my 20s, like adult video stores when 42nd Street was still around and he had, sex shops that I worked for him and did all kinds of things and made boxes and wrote, descriptions. I was really great at all that stuff.
00:34:30:23 - 00:34:46:08
Kathy
But like nowadays with Amazon, I that's where I just get my stuff from Amazon, you know? Yeah. In the city there's so many places, but I maybe I'm like, I'm a little shy. Like for me, it's easier to just shop online for that kind of stuff, you know, like when I'm horny, that's like when I go on and, like, buy shit, you know?
00:34:46:09 - 00:34:57:03
Kathy
Oh my God, when I'm walking around, I never worse. I have to buy, buy. That's when I buy. That's when I buy. It's terrible. It's like going shopping when you're hungry. It's much fun.
00:34:57:05 - 00:35:00:00
Luna
I just masturbate when I'm horny.
00:35:00:02 - 00:35:06:10
Kathy
No, I know, but that's like. It's like a tease to me. It's like I'm thinking about it. I don't know, I like, like that's like, you know, it just keeps you in that.
00:35:06:15 - 00:35:09:15
Luna
Is that how you bought your first, like, pussy pump?
00:35:09:17 - 00:35:16:10
Kathy
Yes. For sure. And that's why I like went straight to the top of the list. Whatever was on the top of the what ten list on Adam and Eve.
00:35:16:11 - 00:35:17:01
Luna
Oh, really?
00:35:17:01 - 00:35:35:04
Kathy
Okay, so you look like it's like a turn on looking for things that you're going to use. So like that just keeps me horny the whole time I'm looking. I mean, like I said, it's not the good time to buy shit because then what happens is you orgasm, you're like, oh, well, how much should I fucking spend? But then four days later when you shit comes, you're like, yeah, yeah, I can get this is I'm know I'm horny again.
00:35:35:04 - 00:35:38:12
Kathy
You know, I mean so yeah, it's really not that bad to do it then.
00:35:38:14 - 00:35:52:02
Luna
That's true. I, I've been thinking that I want to buy at least 1 or 2 sex toys for myself every time we talked to, so I this time I want to buy matching flowers so that I can, like, practice my flogging and eventually be a Florentine vlogger.
00:35:52:04 - 00:35:55:08
Kathy
What's a Florentine vlogger? This is going to go on my fetish.
00:35:55:10 - 00:36:18:15
Luna
It's where you flog with both hands and kind of like a swirly, like Florentine. Flogging is the two handed flogging style and I have. I recently was in a threesome with a dominatrix friend, and she is very good at this skill. And, you know, I was kind of like the sensual, helpful co top. And she was like the demonic, mean pain giver.
00:36:18:15 - 00:36:20:20
Kathy
And who was the guy? Was he your guy or her.
00:36:20:20 - 00:36:21:20
Luna
Got her guy. It was her guy.
00:36:22:01 - 00:36:22:19
Kathy
Yeah. Okay.
00:36:22:19 - 00:36:32:10
Luna
They're their thing. And yeah, I don't think I would ever in my personal life be with a submissive partner. We'll see, we'll see. I'm not saying never.
00:36:32:11 - 00:36:38:15
Kathy
You a Dom or no. Oh no no no, you're the snob. You're the you're the soft. Oh yeah.
00:36:38:15 - 00:36:54:14
Luna
No I'm learning I'm learning dominant skills I have. Yeah. Engaged in dominant dynamics with certain people mostly online a little bit in person. But you know, I am building my skill base to be a proper top.
00:36:54:16 - 00:36:55:11
Kathy
Like a switch.
00:36:55:16 - 00:36:57:14
Luna
I mean, I, I am the switch.
00:36:57:18 - 00:36:58:11
Kathy
Oh you are.
00:36:58:15 - 00:37:20:02
Luna
So I for work have always been in charge, have always just bossed people around. I've always done that as I get into sex work, especially online sex work, I am very interested in holding space. There's no way I would be a professional online submissive. It's a weird dynamic to me, but I think it makes a lot of sense for me to be an online domme to to cultivate that personality.
00:37:20:02 - 00:37:26:16
Luna
And I'm building the character that is the main character of mission 69, like she is in charge in my personal life.
00:37:26:16 - 00:37:28:17
Kathy
Oh, interesting. I'm definitely.
00:37:28:17 - 00:37:48:01
Luna
A submissive. Well, also, people always assume that I'm a Dom or they think I want to be a. Like, oh wow. You know, when I was getting cast in indie films and web series, I played a dominatrix like three times before I even understood anything about kink or power dynamics or the actual stuff behind it. Part of the reason that I'm excited to grow up my hair is I want to have a long, tight ponytail, you know, for.
00:37:48:03 - 00:37:48:20
Kathy
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:49:01 - 00:38:08:07
Luna
And so so I'm gathering all those skills and I'm it's going to take time. You know, I'm letting it take the time that it takes. And I'm finding the right people to play with in the meantime. But in my personal life I'll cut up somebody else's submissive because I still in that dynamic, she's the dominant, you know, so she's telling me what to do.
00:38:08:07 - 00:38:28:14
Luna
And we're both in charge of him. I'll play that way. That's really fun for me. And because it was like, I love couples, I love coming into a dynamic with a couple. I love making the relationship better, and it was a really fun way for me to, like, practice in person, like using my nails. And I was really good at, like, torturing his balls and then like when she was like, really mean, then I would like, caress him or give him other sensations.
00:38:28:14 - 00:38:34:12
Luna
And so that that was a probably one of the hardest situations I've ever experienced.
00:38:34:14 - 00:38:37:18
Kathy
Was she was she on your show? How did you meet her?
00:38:37:19 - 00:38:56:18
Luna
I met her through work. No, she hasn't been on my show. I took pictures of her. She's a and she's becoming a better friend and someone that I think might be open to making content with me at some point. I don't know, but yeah, I met her through doing photos. And now and then we became lovers. Not like my erotic photography fantasy.
00:38:56:18 - 00:39:01:16
Luna
It was just like we became friends. A lot of my friends I met through my work as a photographer or through sex stories.
00:39:01:18 - 00:39:05:18
Kathy
Right. Okay, go on with your bucket list. I feel like you have more.
00:39:05:18 - 00:39:22:04
Luna
That's. I thought that would be a good amount for me to try to do before we meet again. But there's one more thing, which is, I think you'll like this phrase. I want to give myself at least a two night masturbation vacation. So I will rent a fancy Airbnb somewhere. And I want to make the whole point of going there.
00:39:22:04 - 00:39:25:11
Kathy
No fap, no fap.
00:39:25:13 - 00:39:33:14
Luna
No no. The whole point is to touch myself as much as possible and to see how many times I can come and to document all of it.
00:39:33:16 - 00:39:42:10
Kathy
I love that, but I thought you were saying, I've got a no masturbation week and I'm like, oh my God, what a fucking letdown. No, no, no, you're not going to do that the whole weekend. Yeah, a.
00:39:42:10 - 00:39:49:06
Luna
Masturbation vacation where I'm literally vacationing myself to masturbate the entire time like it's a weekend.
00:39:49:06 - 00:39:55:02
Kathy
I wish begin that of, oh, your fucking time. You know, I like a vacation where I'm like, okay, no. Yeah, yeah.
00:39:55:06 - 00:40:13:08
Luna
Opposite of what I want. Yeah. You know, and then the long term would I want to go lately and I talked about going someday to killing kittens in London. Like, it's like a hot. What's that? It's like a hot sex party, you know? It's like it's a club, but it looks really high end and really cool. And I was like, Layla, we should do this yourself.
00:40:13:09 - 00:40:19:18
Luna
Yeah. So I am putting that on my bucket list so that I can start saving up for the travel and the everything about it.
00:40:19:21 - 00:40:27:23
Kathy
What? But but why don't you you and Layla start here? There's plenty of places you don't have to go all the way to London that you can't. Isn't there a place like that here that you go?
00:40:27:23 - 00:40:31:23
Luna
I don't know, she told me about it and it looks really cool. And I'm sure there are other places. No, but.
00:40:31:23 - 00:40:44:19
Kathy
I mean, you also could go there, but I mean, I just think when you bring that up, I'm like, oh, that's like really interesting. Like, why don't you go get Layla to get used to going out on a girl? Because she never has. I mean, she's never cross of get her to fucking check that.
00:40:44:19 - 00:40:46:01
Luna
We don't need to pressure.
00:40:46:01 - 00:40:47:07
Kathy
Her, I sell myself.
00:40:47:08 - 00:40:50:13
Luna
I've been in plenty of freedoms with ladies, but don't want to go down on me.
00:40:50:16 - 00:41:02:18
Kathy
No, no, no, I'm a pusher, okay? Like I don't even drink alcohol. But if we were at a bar, I'd be, like, begging you to do shots. I don't know, I like everyone to have fun. Like, I'm like, you know what you say? You get excited to see other people. Like, that's the way I am. I want people to have fucking fun.
00:41:02:21 - 00:41:10:15
Kathy
Layla did everything with this couple, and I talked to her about this on my girl talk. I make fun of her, like, just go fucking downtown. Just try it, I love it.
00:41:10:17 - 00:41:18:06
Luna
I mean, yeah, your problem. At least with Laurel's, if you're not allergic to latex, like, if you're scared about, I don't know, juices or direct contact. I mean, you.
00:41:18:06 - 00:41:34:02
Kathy
Know, I'm scared about everything now, neither one of that girl. It was like a weird scenario that I think that if she had the right person, that would fucking Dahmer, she. Yeah, she do it. That's not her whole. That's her whole thing is real land. You know? You can laugh. That's why I think you should go with her someplace.
00:41:34:02 - 00:41:37:04
Kathy
Yeah, you could get her to do it. Put that on your bucket list.
00:41:37:10 - 00:41:40:12
Luna
I think Layla is many places that we can go, you know, like, maybe it'll be.
00:41:40:12 - 00:41:41:15
Kathy
A pop up.
00:41:41:15 - 00:41:55:21
Luna
On the East Coast first, and then maybe we'll go to London from there. Who knows? But that's like a longer term one, along with my getting my masters and all of the all of the. Yeah, and my play ship and my movie and my sex camp, I don't know, all of it. It's kind of far in the future.
00:41:55:22 - 00:42:17:20
Kathy
Can I ask you a question? Like, because I never listen to your show, I do my own shit. So it's like sometimes I don't it's I don't listen to the same shows that I do because I don't even listen to my show. Right. But so like, does your has your audience like, have they ever seen you having sex or any of this stuff, or is this going to be a huge, big new thing for you?
00:42:17:20 - 00:42:34:01
Kathy
Or like, have they seen your nudes? Like, have you always putting out like just nudes of yourself? So this is but like the porn stuff, when it's getting into being like videos of you actually having sex, has anything like that ever been out or is this like the big major jump for you? Because I feel like if not, it is a big step.
00:42:34:01 - 00:42:54:17
Luna
So I'm I haven't done major jumps. I've done like awkward trickles. I started sharing my nudes. Let's see, I started being nude pretty publicly on my 30th birthday, which was four years ago, and that was just like Instagram, but censored. And then I started sharing and selling the full nudes on OnlyFans in December, maybe November, December 2020.
00:42:54:19 - 00:43:09:00
Luna
And then or maybe it was a 2019, 2020, I don't know, I was sharing. Yeah, I finally got on OnlyFans and then I talked to Billy, proceeded. He's like, so you're a sex worker? And I was like, oh my God, am I? And then I was like, good point. I guess if people are getting off to it, sure, why not do more?
00:43:09:02 - 00:43:24:00
Luna
And so last October I did do my first like OnlyFans porno. It's amateur stuff like I've done, but that's the one that I filmed with a friend who was on my podcast, Doctor Kyle Dean Freeman and I made a porno together and it was pretty fucking hot.
00:43:24:02 - 00:43:41:21
Kathy
But only like, oh, and he was a guest. Oh my God, what are you going to run out of time? And like, we just got started on this thing, but so people you do have an OnlyFans, right, where people could go and see some of the stuff that you've done already, but it sounds like with this bucket list that you're going in so many new directions that there's going to be a lot more of that kind of content.
00:43:41:22 - 00:43:58:15
Luna
My point there's masturbation is available on OnlyFans and lots of nude sex porn wise. I think I took it down and I made it very expensive, so it's like only the people who really want to watch it can watch it. And this is the era in which I'm working on making sure that all of the pre content and post content, that's education is available.
00:43:58:17 - 00:44:13:12
Luna
And then if they want to watch the erotic stuff that's going to be behind a paywall and we'll just we'll just see how it goes. But yeah no it's it's definitely a Renaissance era. And I am I'm excited. It's not. Yeah. It's not the first time people have seen my pussy, but it certainly is a new mode of it.
00:44:13:12 - 00:44:30:02
Kathy
All right. Because I'm like, if it's on your bucket list, it must be something that you haven't really done before. And I know that you were teetering on, like whether you would be really fully out there like, or and whether you define yourself as a sex worker or not, you know.
00:44:30:03 - 00:44:50:00
Luna
Oh yeah. No, I definitely I definitely am a sex worker. I mean, I define myself as an erotic artist and like, sex worker is part of that. But like, mostly everything and everyone's like, you're so creative and so creative. I'm like, yeah, what do you think sex is? It's just our original creativity. So I, I think of myself as an erotic researcher and artist and I guess now a.
00:44:50:02 - 00:45:04:08
Kathy
Year, I feel like you. You do? Yeah. No, but I know people like you. Yeah. I have a lot of friends that, similar in the art world and the. You know, I told you, Jonathan, Tunick and Spencer Tunick and Andy Cohen or those people you know, there.
00:45:04:08 - 00:45:04:17
Luna
But not.
00:45:04:20 - 00:45:11:05
Kathy
The whole world and. No, no, no, they're artists. Well, they might want, you know, they're like, you know, they might want to fuck you. I don't on.
00:45:11:05 - 00:45:12:06
Luna
Camera, though. Like, they're.
00:45:12:09 - 00:45:25:01
Kathy
Like, you are a certain breed. Not everybody has those both qualities, though, I think. Yeah, sex is a creative expression, but you happen to be an artist separate from that too. And that's what you bring to the table and I don't.
00:45:25:01 - 00:45:33:10
Luna
Yeah. Only once I started getting laid, I started getting laid transcendental. And then I got more creative before that, I was a big ball of stress and anxiety.
00:45:33:12 - 00:45:41:08
Kathy
So yeah, but I you're a creative person, all right. You're are. So are you going to come back on the next time and like have these things checked off. Like how are we going to roll with this?
00:45:41:08 - 00:45:55:23
Luna
I'm going to definitely aim for the spanking skirt the masturbation vacation at least two nights away somewhere before I talk to you. And the phone sex. Those are my three main targets. I think I can also get vloggers by then, but those are. Those are my big goals and I'm excited.
00:45:56:00 - 00:46:01:06
Kathy
Okay, so the next time we do a Girl Talk episode, it's going to be about phone sex. What was the other one?
00:46:01:06 - 00:46:04:12
Luna
Flogging phone sex? Open back skirt spanking.
00:46:04:12 - 00:46:05:13
Kathy
Oh, and masturbation.
00:46:05:13 - 00:46:11:06
Luna
Double handed flogging. And yes, a two. Like a two night, three day masturbation intensive.
00:46:11:08 - 00:46:14:22
Kathy
Yeah, 24 fucking seven. You did not stop. Well, see.
00:46:15:00 - 00:46:16:10
Luna
I'm curious how many orgasms like that.
00:46:16:11 - 00:46:33:10
Kathy
Yeah. And what I get tired of these keep it counts. Yeah. Keep it. Yeah I, I want to it's a really interesting sort of conversation experiment. You know, you're doing an experiment. I love it. So you'll be back on. Yep. Okay. Awesome. Okay. Thanks for calling in. Go do some of your fucking homework. Thank you. Got a lot to do.
00:46:33:10 - 00:46:34:06
Luna
I'll be very good.
00:46:34:09 - 00:46:34:19
Kathy
Bye.
00:46:34:21 - 00:46:35:08
Luna
Okay. Bye.
00:46:35:09 - 00:46:36:00
Kathy
Okay, bye.
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