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Luna

And our guest today is a 35 year old bisexual, white cis them a single lover girl who enjoys both connecting with new lovers and also the trust and support that comes with building a longer term connection. She has dabbled in both monogamous and poly lifestyles, depending on the context, and is a top leaning switch who's into some denial edging mutual worship and the magical intensity that can come from vacation sex or a long, luxurious evening with a partner.

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Luna

Or to.

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Luna

A professional girlfriend with a background in health education for an Aids service organization. She has over a decade of experience in the online space, and has in recent years been exploring more IRL connections. Originally from New York City, she now lives in Orlando and travels a ton for work and play. Welcome, Mia, if you're ready.

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Mia

Hi.

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Luna

Hello. Could you please start off by reading yourself on a sexual shame meter, with ten being the most full of shame and zero being like, I don't even think about it. Where do you fall today? And what has your shemale coaster looked like throughout the years?

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Mia

That's a great question.

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Luna

I would say.

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Mia

Okay, so if ten is the most shameful, I would say probably like a hearty four to.

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Luna

Five. Okay. Really?

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Luna

Does it wiggle around or like what? What makes it a 4 or 5?

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Luna

Well, I guess I'm trying.

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Mia

To think of, like, what would put me more at a zero. You know what I mean? Like, you don't really have, I guess just, maybe growing up.

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Luna

Like you're going to Catholic school. Like, I.

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Mia

Feel like that puts a.

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Luna

Pretty big dent in.

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Mia

So, yeah, you know, you're starting off at, like, 100 there, and you just.

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Luna

You have to work your way out of of shame.

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Mia

So it's never, ever changing situation. But we're we're getting there.

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Luna

We'll get to zero someday for sure.

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Luna

I love that. Was that when you were doing, like your educational work? Was it up there for you or was that something to kind of help that settle down?

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Luna

I feel like it's.

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Mia

I feel like it's different, like, interpersonally. Like, I don't have shame in talking to other people about sex in any way, but I believe.

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Luna

The same that I have.

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Mia

Yeah, it's internalized more like towards me and towards like things that I do, but I have like, no problem, like having, you know, any kind of conversation with anyone else about, like them or, you know, it just about situations.

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Luna

In general especially. I totally.

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Luna

Totally relate to that. I feel like contextually, like on the podcast or when I'm out, like helping a client or something. I'm like, oh yeah, we can talk about anything. And then in my own personal life, sometimes I'm like.

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Luna

I have to tell you my fantasy. Like what is really naughty.

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Luna

You know? And I still do, I still do. I actually my recent connection that I was exploring ended when I shared fantasy, and it was too much for him, and I was like, oops, okay, sorry, that'll make it spike for you. But okay, okay, so 4 or 5, that's pretty good. So can you tell us a little bit about when you're in a connection yourself with a partner.

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Luna

What sort of health and safety practices and or conversations do you need to feel safe or excited in a juicy sort of way?

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Luna

Okay. For sure.

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Mia

I would say like the for if it's a new partner, obviously I feel like, consent is the most important conversation to have. You know, just like making sure what other people's boundaries are like, what are what are the things that you like? What are the things you definitely don't like? Is there something that you feel like you want to try or that you like, would like to explore, like together or like what's been something that you really like to explore with someone else that you'd like to try again or, you know, anything like that.

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Mia

And then of course, like just being someone who, you know, used to be a health educator. I'm a big, big person with, like, not like labeling things safe sex, but just having safer sex. So, like, conversations around, like, are you on prep? Like, do you use condom? Like, you know, what are we doing together that's going to, like, make our connection the most, the best it can possibly be?

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Mia

Like, how are we keeping each other safe? And obviously, consent is part of that. But also, you know, having safer sex.

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Luna

Yeah.

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Luna

Yeah, absolutely. And safer sex can look different. Or for me, at least, it looks different partner to partner depending on what their partnership landscape looks like and their like conversations that they do or don't have with other people.

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Luna

Yeah.

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Luna

What what do you feel like? What creates the most sexiest environment? So you just met someone? It's a new connection. Like what typically do you kind of like want to have protection wise to like have the most fun, like the most like relaxed vibe?

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Mia

Like like, physical protection.

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Luna

Yeah.

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Luna

Like barriers. Oh, a condom girly. I try, I, I really.

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Mia

I mean, I try to dabble a little bit more and, internal condoms, like, I have to say, female condoms. Yeah. So that seems unintrusive, but. Yeah, like an internal internal condom. Just. But I'm just, I don't know, I, I feel like I am a good, like, just old fashioned regular, not latex.

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Luna

A little girl, I don't know. Totally. But I do be carrying.

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Mia

I do be carrying, you know, a wide range of.

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Luna

Sizes because I have to make sure that. Yeah, we want to be inclusive. Be inclusive. You gotta have more. It's like, you know.

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Mia

I want to be Goldilocks.

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Luna

You know?

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Luna

Dude, I feel that's so hard. And also, it's interesting when I am with penis having partners who are like, oh, is it big enough? Is it? And I'm like, honestly, dude, I have not yet seen my own micro penis. Like, I, I thought I caught one the other day. I was like, oh, I finally am with a very tiny cock.

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Luna

And I got really excited because I just haven't. I like novelty, I like variety, but then. But then that cock grew and I was like, oh, okay, that's good too. I really like it. You know, watching the growth.

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Luna

Like I like to talk about.

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Luna

Personal.

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Luna

Growth. Yeah, I.

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Mia

Love a grower.

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Luna

I love the car.

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Mia

I love a shower. I have I had a micro penis situation. It was great. He was great with his hands. He was great with his mouth. Like I was left wanting for nothing. Honestly, I feel like the penis and vagina are a penis. And as a penis, you know, it's all just like one little part of, like, the.

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Luna

Muscle.

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Mia

Larger story of, like, you know, the sexual encounter you have with someone and even, like, just personal touch, like making out, like, you know, it's like, really good at making out. I could maybe come from just that, honestly.

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Luna

Oh, my God, that's so hot. Well, if I have a thigh between my legs and maybe I have to have some.

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Luna

I have to have something. Yeah. Wait.

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Luna

Can you for reals actually come from making out? Is that like, a real cause? I don't.

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Luna

Oh, I mean, to get up.

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Luna

So orgasmic. That's so hot.

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Mia

And also, like, you know. So another thing. And then people always tell me that this is so weird. But I don't even, like, need any sort of external stimulation to when I masturbate. I just close my eyes and I just, like, think about, like, I do love watching porn. And I as a pornographer, as someone who makes porn.

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Mia

Like, I love porn, but I don't need to watch it. I don't need to listen to it. I just closed my eyes.

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Luna

What? What are we not touching?

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Luna

Not a toy. Just. Well, that's like once.

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Mia

So while touching. Yes.

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Luna

Okay. Just like. No, no, not. It doesn't need to be anything. You can just completely quiet. I'm just like.

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Luna

I feel like that brings a new meaning to the phrase. Like a thoughtful orgasm.

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Luna

Yeah.

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Mia

Just, you know, like, I feel like there's so much like, pleasure in just the idea of the touch. Like the idea, like. Oh, and touching myself, like, oh, that feels good. Oh, why does that feel good? Oh that's wet. Oh, that. You know what I mean.

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Luna

Like, so what do you like. Yeah. It's really.

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Luna

I like that. I also like I'm most likely to watch porn or visual stimulation. Well, if I am behind the camera, which I often am creating stuff for, you know, my OnlyFans friends or fans or loyal fans or whatever the platform they're on, or I have some like erotic like couples clients who are making their own bespoke stuff, like that's the porn that I watched the most, you know, and then I give it away and I don't have it anymore.

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Luna

But I feel like unless I'm with a partner that wants to bring something up on the screen, I'm pretty much just like recalling whatever the most recent hot thing was.

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Luna

Right? I'm like, so okay.

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Luna

So on that note, what do you love about sex? It sounds like you have quite a bit of experience in different sectors. So like, I'd love to hear turn ons, turn offs, favorite sensations, toys, kinks, fetish, whatever you want to go with. And we'll just get into the details. What do you love?

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Mia

Yeah. So what I love about sex. Well, okay, so I mean, not to be, like, boring, but I do love coming.

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Luna

Unfortunately for, like, I'm.

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Mia

Definitely along for the ride, and I there's so many like different than just, like, you know, like, it's not all about the penis. It's all about.

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Luna

The it's not all.

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Mia

About coming, but like, let's be honest, it's pretty great.

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Luna

Yeah, yeah. But, I do.

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Mia

Also like one of the things that I really like love is like edging, like come to the Isle. Like, I love to get there, but I do love to, like I do love there to be some bumps along the way. I.

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Luna

You know, you like.

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Luna

To get denied as well.

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Luna

Yes.

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Mia

So I like to like, but I also like to get denied and I feel like it just makes it some, you know, it's like it makes it so much better at the end.

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Luna

You know, when you're when you've tried a couple times or you, you're not allowed to get there.

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Mia

I feel like it just makes it like so much more explosive, like there's.

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Luna

More fireworks.

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Mia

At the end. So that's definitely that's definitely one.

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Luna

Of the things I like.

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Mia

Oh yeah. What else I mean? And I also just like I am like a bodily fluids fan, you know, like any kind of them. Like I love spit, I love facials.

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Luna

I.

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Mia

Love sweat like I just like I want it to be, like dripping on my face. I want it like, coming off of me, like sliding around.

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Luna

On each.

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Mia

Other. Yeah, yeah. Important. Like I need, I'm just need to know that what I'm doing is working for you. And I feel like one of those ways that you can that you can tell that is like mostly bodily fluids.

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Luna

I love that.

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Luna

But yeah. Yeah.

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Luna

Okay. Going back to our previous discussion about health and safety and all of that, how important is context to you? Like if you're doing a scene, do you do solo scenes mostly, or do you work with, partners for online stuff?

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Luna

Yeah.

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Mia

I do everything I do solo. I do, you know, boy girl, girl girl or indeed I.

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Luna

I she does it all.

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Luna

I love that. Okay. So for me, I feel like the context, if I am with a performer and I know that they've been tested and I know their situation, I know if they do or don't have a vasectomy, like I have a totally different feeling about like where that fluid goes, especially if we've talked about it versus oftentimes I'll get like very naughty messages sometimes from very naughty people who aren't even paying me through sex.

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Luna

They're only fans, and they think that I just want to get they think I just want to get emails with their own personal like stuff pointed at me, and they're telling me about like where they would want to come on me this and that. And I'm like, dude, this is like rapey and growth and yucky because I don't have a connection with you.

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Luna

Like, how important is context for you in those kind of environments?

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Mia

Well, I feel like professionally, obviously, you know, it just depends on, I guess, what what what the goal of the video is, you know what I mean? Like, I'm always happy to do like cream vaccines. But again, that goes back to what you're saying. Like, okay, is everybody tested like I'm, you know, of course, a huge stickler for, for testing.

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Mia

And not that like the thing is, like I'm also one of those people, like, so I guess recently I've been in a situation where, like, someone I know, like their test popped and they had chlamydia and I was like, okay, well, that doesn't mean we can't shoot. It means we can't shoot fluid swapping. But there's other things you can do.

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Luna

Yes.

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Mia

I mean, we can do like a pegging scene. We can do, you know, we can. There's lots of other stuff we can do. I'm not like one of those people that I'm, like, grossed out by anything. Because of course, at the end of the day, anything that you have, you didn't sit there and get it intentionally. It's not your fault.

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Luna

You know, like, let me wipe it on quickly and we're at the end.

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Mia

Of the day. Two, we're sex workers. That's literally part of our job is sex, is knowing about sex is knowing that sexual education is like being. You know, I consider a lot of sex workers I know to be the most open people, the most honest people, and frankly, the greatest people I've ever been around.

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Luna

So most loving, least judgmental, like, and most communicative. I love talking to other sex workers because I'm like, oh, we can just talk my shame a meter. That's when my shame, a meter goes to zero because I'm like, I can be all of me.

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Luna

Yeah, yeah.

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Mia

For sure I don't. Yes, I agree, but yeah, I think that's, you know, in the context, like especially as someone who makes porn, you know, related to sexual health is.

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Luna

Yeah, all about.

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Mia

That and about testing. But, you know, I'm, I've definitely I will say like in my younger years before, you know, I lost my virginity very, very young, very, very, pre-teens. So, before, you know, I didn't know my mom taught me a lot about sexual health. And I was never scared to go to her. And as soon she was the first person I told that I lost my virginity to.

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Mia

Okay. Yeah. And she was like, okay, what we're gonna get in colleges. And so, like, she made the guy to call me down and tell me all this stuff. But, you know, I've looked at a younger age. I wasn't necessarily like getting tested. You know, that didn't really happen till I was, like, a little bit older. But I have had a lot of time to, to mull on that.

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Mia

I guess, and to be more stringent.

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Luna

Especially with work.

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Luna

Absolutely. On that thread. I would love to hear more about your personal timeline, like take us through how you learned about sex to where you are now, and we'll fill in more details about what you love along the way. And I have lots of questions and I want to go back to edging. I will circle back to edges.

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Luna

Yeah. So, I was, my mom.

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Mia

Always told me about sex. It was never, she was kind of the person in our family who was like, the black sheep, like, as it comes with, like, religion. She was not religious at all. Like, her parents were, but they weren't, like, the type where, like, you have to go to church and all this stuff. So I think she didn't necessarily have a lot of shame and she didn't maybe grow up with it.

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Mia

So she just didn't necessarily she didn't pass that down on to me, it was more like a school thing, you know, where like reading the Bible that at.

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Luna

That time did you go to a Catholic school?

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Mia

I went to Catholic school. I went to Catholic private school.

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Luna

Was it girls only or was it boys and girls?

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Luna

It was girls and boys.

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Mia

But it was the same Catholic school that my mother went to that my grandma and my grandpa met at.

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Luna

Well know this was like this.

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Mia

Went back like generations and generations. But yeah. And so I am a firm believer that, like, that kind of made me like Catholic school, made me a huge slut, but it made me.

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Luna

Like, oh, huge.

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Mia

Repressed slut.

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Luna

Like, you know what I mean? Like, yes, anyone tells you, you don't do something.

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Mia

You're going to do it and you're going to do it a lot more.

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Luna

Absolutely, absolutely.

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Luna

Wait, so were you. Yeah. What did you get? You were like reading the Bible. Did you get like narratives? It's like a zero. It's like a don't fuck kind of education. Right.

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Luna

There was no.

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Mia

Also like, my mom told me about sex, but in school there, they were not allowed.

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Luna

To talk about sex at all.

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Mia

No. No way. You know, and I would, like, get in trouble at school for, like, pulling my skirt up, and they would like they, you know. Yeah. There were nuns, like, we got we were taught by.

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Luna

Okay, you have to have. And I.

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Luna

Have you done like Catholic schoolgirl and or nun scenes.

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Luna

By.

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Mia

Okay. So I have a scene where I used my actual.

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Luna

Uniform, that I still use. Ooh, I love that. Oh, yeah. I mean, I kept at first, so like, I.

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Mia

When I was, when I was younger, when I was like 11 and 12 is when I started, I was hanging out with kids that were in high school, which is actually.

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Luna

How I wound up losing everything.

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Mia

But I was like really into, like star and like punk and stuff. So I would like, wear my uniform to like, punk shows and stuff and like.

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Luna

Just roll it up and like, make it really short and, like, cute because I was like, all the style girls were like that, you know what I mean?

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Mia

That's what they wore, like plaid skirt. So I was like.

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Luna

I already have one. I don't even have to change after school. That's amazing.

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Luna

So you had your sexual debut kind of young. Do you remember, like emotionally? Like, were you excited? What did it feel like? And then like, did you keep having sex or was like, what was the next kind of like, step in your learning journey?

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Luna

Yeah, I was I.

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Mia

Was really excited about it at the time. I mean, of course, I think like now looking back on it is there's some interesting things that you like, think about, of course, like this person was like 19 years old and I was.

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Luna

12 or like that's come again. Yeah. But yeah.

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Mia

Like we were really good friends and like, I trusted this person. And I still we're still friends, actually. So. Yeah.

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Luna

Complicated. But we're still friends.

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Mia

But, yeah, I mean, I was excited by it, and I don't know that I necessarily, like, loved it. It was more like, oh, okay, that's what this is like.

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Luna

Okay. Like moving on.

00:17:52:17 - 00:17:57:23

Mia

Yeah. But yeah, I didn't have a period where I, like, didn't have sex. I just was having sex after.

00:17:57:23 - 00:18:00:20

Luna

That for sure. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

00:18:00:22 - 00:18:20:02

Luna

When do you feel like how did you gain your skills? Like, when were you like, oh, I'm good at oral or, like, oh, not like. And when did pleasure start to kind of enter the picture and like, what were the different pleasure parts because a lot of my early sex was missing physical pleasure, but my excitement and enthusiasm almost made up for it.

00:18:20:02 - 00:18:29:04

Luna

And so it wasn't until I heard conversations about physical pleasure I was like, oh, I can do that with a partner. But so, like, what was kind of that landscape like for you as you were unfurling?

00:18:29:06 - 00:18:48:05

Mia

I feel like probably so like I moved, my parents moved us to Florida when I was like right after eighth grade going into high school. And so I had to kind of like make all new friends. And those friends like when I was like, I don't know, between 13 and 16, like some of them were probably 30.

00:18:48:10 - 00:19:11:18

Mia

So like hearing. Yeah. So like hearing them have those conversations, you know what I mean was like an eye opener for me. Like I would go to like keg parties every weekend and stuff and like obviously sleeping with people that were a lot older than me. And I remember like this very distinctly one time when I was like 16 and I was sleeping with this guy and he pulled out a double and a dildo, and I was like.

00:19:11:20 - 00:19:13:07

Luna

Oh.

00:19:13:09 - 00:19:18:04

Mia

And that's like the first time that I realized, like, oh, that's for my oh, that's for my.

00:19:18:04 - 00:19:21:06

Luna

Ass and my pussy at the same time.

00:19:21:08 - 00:19:32:22

Mia

And so that's kind of like maybe the first times I was like, oh, this is into this could like maybe feel good and be different than I thought, you know what I mean? Like, it was like that blooming onion of,

00:19:33:00 - 00:19:33:08

Luna

Wow.

00:19:33:09 - 00:19:39:07

Luna

Okay. So that was wait, it was a double into like a curvy one. Both for you, not for you to peg him and. Okay.

00:19:39:07 - 00:19:42:01

Luna

Okay, okay. No. Yeah. It was like a it was really long.

00:19:42:01 - 00:19:43:16

Mia

So it was just like, okay.

00:19:43:22 - 00:19:45:12

Luna

Oh, wow. Yeah.

00:19:45:12 - 00:19:55:02

Luna

Oh, damn. Okay. Now I'm just like, what would my life have been like if 60 year old me had known that even existed? Like, I don't feel like I even learned about that until, like, a.

00:19:55:02 - 00:20:01:13

Luna

Few years ago. Love. Well.

00:20:01:15 - 00:20:10:01

Mia

Yeah. So I do feel like I was pretty experienced, like from a young age. And I, I started camming when I was 18. So. Okay.

00:20:10:07 - 00:20:11:00

Luna

When did you.

00:20:11:00 - 00:20:13:15

Luna

Discover your bisexuality?

00:20:14:06 - 00:20:19:13

Mia

I feel like really early on I was always into girls, like, I was into cartoon girls. You know, when I was a.

00:20:19:13 - 00:20:22:05

Luna

Kid, like, I totally.

00:20:22:06 - 00:20:26:06

Mia

Yeah. You know, I mean, I like Selena existed so.

00:20:26:06 - 00:20:30:07

Luna

Forever, I guess. But, yeah.

00:20:30:07 - 00:20:31:04

Mia

I was always.

00:20:31:04 - 00:20:32:17

Luna

I've always been into girls.

00:20:32:18 - 00:20:41:14

Mia

And, like, professional, like, you know, it's I, I do, I feel like just personally and professionally, like, I just love women so much. They're so.

00:20:41:14 - 00:20:44:12

Luna

Great. Absolutely, absolutely.

00:20:44:14 - 00:20:51:03

Luna

So were you, like, waiting to turn 18 so you could cam. How did you know about camming? Like how did that kind of come about?

00:20:51:05 - 00:20:51:13

Luna

Yeah.

00:20:51:13 - 00:21:02:06

Mia

So I had a friend, again, older than me, in her 20s. And, she, you know, always had money, mysterious money. And I want.

00:21:02:06 - 00:21:12:06

Luna

To know why and what's was the reason. And it's like looking help you get on my. And I was like, okay.

00:21:12:08 - 00:21:30:16

Luna

What I would love to hear. I've only read books like Memoirs of Camgirl. Like I read a book called Camgirl. And it's a very different kind of format from a lot of just like recording videos and sharing that, like it's kind of a different game, if I understand correctly, or at least my brain thinks it's complicated.

00:21:30:18 - 00:21:31:12

Luna

No, it's a.

00:21:31:12 - 00:21:52:17

Mia

Lot more like working in a strip club or something because you're. Yeah, you're well and you know, in a way that like you're building relationships with people, right? Like when you want people to come to your camera every single day and spend money on you every single day. And so, like, it's more I feel like, of course, with all my fans and stuff, people are paying to like, interact with you and you're building your persona.

00:21:52:17 - 00:22:15:17

Mia

But I feel like with camming, it's even more of like I'm building a like steady relationship with these people that are like interacting with me about my life. Like, you can be on cam for hours and hours and hours, you know what I mean? Some people do. It's like typical cam shows that are only like two hours where you're just doing like, oh, take me to flash my tits, but there's other people that will just sit on cam all day and hang out.

00:22:15:22 - 00:22:25:07

Mia

Yeah. You know, and then people just send the money. I mean, that's how I found most of my whales, like, most of my bigger whales, that were like sending me hundreds of dollars weeks.

00:22:25:07 - 00:22:25:21

Luna

I my dog.

00:22:25:22 - 00:22:28:21

Luna

Amazing. Oh, we love dogs here. We love dogs.

00:22:28:23 - 00:22:30:18

Luna

Yeah, yeah.

00:22:31:02 - 00:22:32:13

Mia

But yeah, I was like that.

00:22:32:13 - 00:22:33:15

Luna

Yeah.

00:22:33:17 - 00:22:57:21

Luna

I've been discovering something and I wonder if you have insight on it. So as I work with people in person, my background is in photography. I also like, love talking to people. I can see your face on screen and so I feel a connection. But when someone is just a username, especially on OnlyFans, when it's just the numbers and they don't have a name and they don't want to tell me their name, I have a hard time connecting that to like the energy of a human being.

00:22:57:23 - 00:23:16:04

Luna

So for me, one of the reasons I've never stepped into camming is like my little neurodivergent brain can get quite overstimulated by like the chat and the talking and the bouncing it and the trying to do things while I'm doing that. And then, you know, and then to me, it doesn't feel quite as real. Like I've noticed that I really gravitate toward, like, in-person retreats.

00:23:16:04 - 00:23:28:07

Luna

And that's why I love doing erotic photo and video because it feels different. Do you feel like you with it a skill that you cultivated, or is it something that comes naturally to you? How does that kind of like organize in your brain?

00:23:28:09 - 00:23:36:20

Mia

I guess now that you're saying it, I haven't really thought about it like before, and maybe just because it was something that I was so used to because I never had the opposite of.

00:23:36:20 - 00:23:37:12

Luna

It, you know what I.

00:23:37:12 - 00:23:59:23

Mia

Mean? Like, I was just so used to people just being a username, but also I think maybe it helps a little bit when like, people are like telling you about their lives or you're talking about your life and other people are like, oh, yeah, that's happened to me. Like in the chat, you know what I mean? And so you kind of do wind up having more personal relationships with people, even though you may not necessarily see them.

00:23:59:23 - 00:24:07:19

Mia

But like some of the people who I, connected with the most, like we became friends off cam also.

00:24:08:00 - 00:24:08:22

Luna

Okay.

00:24:09:00 - 00:24:28:15

Luna

So I love that you brought that up, because one of the things that I've heard a lot from listeners, especially as I go deeper down the rabbit hole into my Hauraki research and explorations, is like, oh, a transactional relationship. Oh, that's not good. And I'm like, I don't get it, though. Aren't most relationships transactional? And also that doesn't mean that there's not friendship.

00:24:28:15 - 00:24:51:20

Luna

It just to me means there's a clear container about what we're doing here, and then friendship grows out of that. So I really have always gravitated toward, like, I lost my virginity to someone at my on campus job in college, and then I, like my first boyfriend was for my bartending job. I hooked up with people that like, I've always had, you know, romantic connections that were real, come out of work situations.

00:24:51:22 - 00:24:56:01

Luna

Do you feel like it sounds like you had that experience from pretty early on?

00:24:56:03 - 00:24:58:04

Mia

Oh yeah, for sure. I definitely.

00:24:58:06 - 00:24:59:02

Luna

Because I just feel.

00:24:59:02 - 00:25:29:12

Mia

Like intimacy is, you know, so many different things and it's such a spectrum, just like with anything else. And I feel like sharing intimacy is also, you know, there's so much wrapped up in it that I feel like it would be hard to not like wind up having some sort of relationship with this person that you're being so like, you know, I hate to say it to be intimacy so much, but like intimate with like you're going to have like, conversation about, you know, like your life outside this and you know, all a lot of other things.

00:25:29:12 - 00:25:49:19

Mia

I'm like, find new ways to connect with each other that are not just based in, like, you know what I mean? Yeah. I feel like I always, I always like, wind up having like a broader relationship with people outside of kind. And of course, if someone is requesting that that's not the case, that's different. You know, it's like we're like, no, I want this to be.

00:25:49:20 - 00:25:50:21

Luna

Totally strictly.

00:25:50:21 - 00:26:07:13

Mia

Transactional. And just for today, no no no no no. Like that's different. But I feel like for me personally, I try to foster more, more in-depth relationships with people. You just find it easier than, like, having to put on a face, you know, which is otherwise.

00:26:07:15 - 00:26:22:09

Luna

No, no, I'm learning. That's how some people work. But for me, I mean, this podcast is the origin story of my own sex work because I was like, why are some people treating me like like they already know me or like I'm just like an email girlfriend. And one of my friends is like, oh, they're treating you like a sex worker.

00:26:22:09 - 00:26:26:06

Luna

Oh, you're posting nudes on OnlyFans. What did you think you were doing? And I was like, oh.

00:26:26:08 - 00:26:28:11

Luna

You know, but but to me, I.

00:26:28:11 - 00:26:49:02

Luna

Was like, I was like, they're my muses. They're my painter. Like, they're my, like, creative, artistic, like lover friends from across the world, you know? And that's how I discovered that I, like, totally have a money thing. Do you identify as having a money kink or like, does money, like, receiving money actually turn you on, or what's your kind of relationship there?

00:26:49:04 - 00:26:59:07

Mia

I'm not necessarily sure if it turns me on. Like, well, I mean, in a way, yes. I wouldn't put it as like one of my kinks. Although I completely understand it.

00:26:59:07 - 00:27:01:08

Luna

And it's yeah, it would.

00:27:01:08 - 00:27:05:19

Mia

Definitely be close. I mean, I do have a kink for, you know, having all my bills paid for sure.

00:27:05:19 - 00:27:09:02

Luna

Absolutely. Yeah. Not revealing is.

00:27:09:02 - 00:27:11:12

Mia

Nice because I've struggled before, so I.

00:27:11:18 - 00:27:13:03

Luna

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:13:03 - 00:27:28:06

Luna

I think for me as an artist I've always been like, wait, you appreciate me so much and you want to show me in a meaningful, concrete way instead of just taking my time and expecting stuff for free, you know? Because even as a photographer, people were always asking me for free pictures, and I would. I used to say yes.

00:27:28:06 - 00:27:32:11

Luna

And, you know, until it wasn't until I was like, wait a second, there's worshipers.

00:27:32:13 - 00:27:33:19

Luna

Oh, wow.

00:27:33:21 - 00:27:42:18

Luna

So you started coming when you were 18. Do you still cam on OnlyFans? Like, or is it more like recorded stuff like what's the progression kind of looked like?

00:27:42:20 - 00:27:53:01

Mia

So I had Camden forever and I actually don't come on OnlyFans. But I recently, decided I wanted to get back into it and I started camming with a friend on Chatter mate.

00:27:53:06 - 00:27:55:15

Luna

Oh yeah.

00:27:55:17 - 00:28:12:14

Mia

It's really it's super fun. I mean, obviously it's work, but it's like it's it's still fun, which I feel like is kind of how I want to live my life as much as possible, which is like, yes, I know I have to work, but I would like the work to be the least amount of like, I hate this.

00:28:12:14 - 00:28:13:22

Mia

I don't want to do it. I seem like.

00:28:14:00 - 00:28:16:14

Luna

The most joyful.

00:28:16:16 - 00:28:18:20

Luna

Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

00:28:18:22 - 00:28:35:03

Luna

Okay. Do you have like a specific niche? Do you guys organize? Like, I know that there are some cameras. What do we call them? Some cam people, men and women who like to play elaborate games. Or they have these, like sets or they do or and there are some people who just kind of show up and see what the vibe is like.

00:28:35:03 - 00:28:37:16

Luna

What's your style or does it change?

00:28:38:01 - 00:28:39:02

Luna

So I.

00:28:39:02 - 00:28:58:11

Mia

Have always kind of been like, just hop on and have some goals and like try to get to the goal and do a show, which is like kind of what my, with the friend that I was camming with was doing. She does it in like a much shorter scale, so she'll say like, oh, I'm going to cam for two hours, or I'm going to camp for an hour and a half, and then the last 20 minutes is going to be a ticket show.

00:28:58:11 - 00:29:21:20

Mia

So I'm going to push people to buy the ticket. Jones could be like a squirting show, you know what I mean? Whereas me, I just like to like, hop on and like, kind of like I said, you know, see if I can, like, build some relationships with people, you know, like get to know people so that they see my face so that when they see me on the main screen, they're like, oh, you know, I want to go and spend some time with her, which I feel like that's just kind of a quality that I like to bring towards any kind of sex work that I do.

00:29:21:20 - 00:29:30:05

Mia

It's just like, be personable, be someone that people want to be around because ultimately no one wants to give you their money if they don't want to be around you.

00:29:30:08 - 00:29:31:04

Luna

Yeah, yeah.

00:29:31:06 - 00:29:59:19

Luna

For sure, for sure. Okay, so you had a span of time from when you started coming at 18 to when you started kind of doing more OnlyFans stuff. Do you feel like your everything you were learning, like through sex work was also affecting your personal life? Like, did those lessons kind of come? I mean, it sounds like you got a lot of experience also, before you started, I didn't I didn't lose my virginity till I was 19, not for lack of trying, but like, how does that kind of like inform your, like, both aspects of your life and your sexual being?

00:29:59:21 - 00:30:00:18

Luna

Yeah it's good.

00:30:00:18 - 00:30:23:08

Mia

And it's like honestly like it's good, it's bad. You know, it has its it has its straws for sure. I do feel like as I got older, I kind of, I felt like it became more transactional, even in my personal life, to the point where I was, like, catching myself, like wanting something out of someone. I was just, like, dating or something, you know what I mean?

00:30:23:08 - 00:30:36:04

Mia

Like, you're like, how could I extract more from the situation? So I had to really, like, take a step back and start, like, putting, like, hard barriers between those two things, like in a way where like, okay, I'm going to put my phone down and I'm not going to work for the rest of the.

00:30:36:09 - 00:30:37:01

Luna

Night so that.

00:30:37:01 - 00:30:56:00

Mia

I can get ready for this date so I can be present for the date so I can not be thinking about like, oh, I wonder how that video I just put out is selling or you know what I mean? It's just like little things like that where you really I feel like you have to be a little bit more cognizant of, like, am I at work right now or am I on, civilian date or, you know what I mean?

00:30:56:13 - 00:31:10:01

Mia

When the thing that you're giving people is intimacy, and on a professional scale, you have to, you know, find ways to make sure that in your personal life, you're also protecting that intimacy, if that makes sense.

00:31:10:06 - 00:31:47:14

Luna

Totally, totally. I do feel like my explorations in sex work and hierarchy research have also up leveled my sense of like, what I actually deserve in a connection. And I don't mean like if he or she has to pay all my bills, they have to do this, they have to take me out. But it's like, oh, I do deserve at least the amount of attention that I like to give other people, you know, or like I've been in the last couple of years, I've been in so many situations where I was able to look in my personal life and be like that person that I am really excited about is not as excited to see

00:31:47:14 - 00:32:07:22

Luna

me as, you know, these types of clients in, in whatever context. And that's been such a wake up call or like to be like, oh, these people who I'm messaging with or like who I have, like a sex on their date with are like sharing more and opening up more and being more vulnerable than this person. I've gone on five dates with what am I doing?

00:32:07:22 - 00:32:17:03

Luna

You know? And so it's like that's been really informative to and kind of confusing sometimes, but like it sounds like you're navigating the boundaries for yourself pretty well.

00:32:17:05 - 00:32:32:13

Mia

Yeah, I think so. I think I've, I've and obviously like it's just something that takes time to and it's like a very long career of being in any kind of iteration of a sex worker for me. So I do like definitely, you know, over ten years, I mean, more for almost 20 years, actually.

00:32:32:13 - 00:32:40:20

Luna

Oh my God, who was who? I just realized really, like now.

00:32:40:20 - 00:32:55:04

Mia

I mean, of course, and it is like, you know, as you say, like, oh, they don't need to pay all my bills, but okay, but why is this person showing up with flowers? And then this man that I'm going on a date with, I'm paying half of everything and, like, they barely can give me a good morning text isn't.

00:32:55:04 - 00:33:02:13

Luna

Exactly, And I'm giving them access to my asshole. Exactly. Yeah. Totally. Totally like I do.

00:33:02:15 - 00:33:06:18

Mia

You want to show you if he wants to, he will. Or if they want to, they will.

00:33:06:18 - 00:33:14:06

Luna

Or want to, you know. Yeah, yeah, sometimes. Gosh.

00:33:14:08 - 00:33:35:03

Luna

I do want to talk about edging because I am a little bit obsessed with it because like you were talking about earlier, I feel that edging both short and long term and by short I mean like within a single sex session. And by long I mean in September I have been doing, I call them masturbation meditation, explorations of edging.

00:33:35:05 - 00:34:03:12

Luna

So I love being like edging myself, not allowing myself to come at all for the month of September at my own hands. And it's so hot. And I've touched myself different every single day in different ways and share that. And I, you know, I mean, my as a leader of meditation, I would give myself an average rating. But the point is really just to check in with breath, check in with feeling and then explore and see kind of like what comes out of it.

00:34:03:14 - 00:34:28:07

Luna

And I think it's so hot to stay on that edge. And like, I know that I always discover new things, but I don't have very much experience as a person leading edge experience for other people. Yet. Yeah. As a person who seems experienced on both sides of the edge, like, do you have any just like wisdom thoughts or like discoveries or explorations yourself?

00:34:28:07 - 00:34:36:01

Luna

And also like, do you do jail eyes? Do you think that counts as edging? Like what what what can you tell us about edging being on both sides of it?

00:34:36:03 - 00:34:50:04

Mia

Well, yeah, definitely. Jail eyes count as edging for sure. Because like that's a big part. I mean come general is like one of the biggest types of joy for sure. Like like come to there's also like I have a friend that does like specifically like see I would just like come eating and she does.

00:34:50:04 - 00:34:52:00

Luna

Like yeah like.

00:34:52:00 - 00:35:27:02

Mia

Yeah. But you know there's like that kind of plays into it a little bit. But I do feel like, yeah, there's just I'm trying to think of like exactly what to say about it, but I just think it is like really just checking in, like actively checking in with your partner and sort of like creating this, like, you know, play like you're saying, like breath playing a lot is involved with that and just kind of like, just making sure that the experience has like an ebb and flow that you specifically want it to because unless, like, you're really interested in an ending in like three minutes, if we want to make sure that

00:35:27:02 - 00:35:30:23

Mia

we can keep this going, like, let's keep it going then, like it's not time.

00:35:30:23 - 00:35:37:08

Luna

For you yet and that's it. And you're gonna listen to me. So I don't know when you say come denial.

00:35:37:12 - 00:36:00:17

Luna

Like, how long are we denying? Like, do you allow your lovers to like if you are in charge of denying them? Right. So so you're in the top position in this instance. Like, have you had sessions where you don't allow people to come at all or have done kind of like multi session longer term stuff or are you kind of like nice at the end like, or is it all things like what have you played with for sure.

00:36:01:04 - 00:36:22:16

Mia

I've had like multiple experiences where it's just not allowed and I feel like that's kind of like almost teetering a little bit. Like I would never call myself Adam because I'm not trained in that. But I feel like it is like teetering a little bit on the edge of that, you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. And just like, you know, I have had experiences with people where I have like, different different.

00:36:23:13 - 00:36:24:09

Luna

Not not.

00:36:24:09 - 00:36:28:10

Mia

Clients, but different, different, iterations of people that I've been involved with.

00:36:28:12 - 00:36:29:03

Luna

Where.

00:36:29:03 - 00:36:46:06

Mia

You know, they're like writing a journal about, like, masturbating and not coming in. I want to check the journal, like at the end of the week and like. Yeah. And I like, you know, like, I'm going to ask them, like, multiple times a day, like, oh, so or I'm going to like send them photos and I'm going to be like, but you're not, you know, but you're not.

00:36:46:08 - 00:37:10:12

Mia

It's just yeah, just making sure that you're it's kind of like an immersive experience. Right. And like, it can it doesn't have to be just like just in this one instance where we're like actively having sex. It can definitely like build tension over days, like or over weeks or, you know, like especially if you're in like a long distance thing, like, yes, I want to you should not come until I, you know.

00:37:10:14 - 00:37:11:22

Luna

Oh my God.

00:37:12:00 - 00:37:15:14

Luna

It is hot when they save it up for me.

00:37:15:16 - 00:37:16:06

Luna

I know.

00:37:16:08 - 00:37:19:01

Mia

Again, like I said, with my bodily fluids thing.

00:37:19:01 - 00:37:20:01

Luna

Like, yes.

00:37:20:03 - 00:37:22:04

Mia

We want I want to see ropes.

00:37:22:05 - 00:37:40:12

Luna

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Well, I recently had a partner that I knew, you know, I've been talking to off and on for months, and we knew we were finally going to get to be together in person. And we set aside a luxurious amount of time. And when it was finally time, you know, we were we were also playing with some like, breathing talk.

00:37:40:12 - 00:37:46:04

Luna

But then I was like, but I want to have your come on me. I want to see it because I love to watch. Like I love to watch it.

00:37:46:04 - 00:37:51:10

Luna

Saying, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Yeah. I was like, oh like what is.

00:37:51:10 - 00:37:53:08

Mia

That like binocular is the on.

00:37:53:08 - 00:37:57:06

Luna

The dick.

00:37:57:08 - 00:38:02:11

Luna

Yes. The velocity is ten times across. Oh yeah. Yeah.

00:38:02:14 - 00:38:22:15

Luna

And then like like I mean in your intro you said that you like luxurious amounts of time with people too, because it's also like throughout a dinner or a weekend together or like, you know, leading up to that weekend together. I like, love just kind of teasing someone. Can you tell us about, like, extended experiences you've had or just kind of the, like, trust building that is yummy and juicy to you.

00:38:22:17 - 00:38:37:14

Mia

So I do feel like I, I do consider myself to be like a vibe curator, you know what I mean? And so I do feel like, you know, when you're like, out and you're, you're at dinner with someone and you're like, your food is just kind of like slowly stroking up.

00:38:37:14 - 00:38:40:23

Luna

Their leg at the table. You know, you might be like.

00:38:40:23 - 00:38:49:16

Mia

Just dropping little hints about what you're going to do later or like, telling them, you know, or like, just, you know, pulling your dress up and there's.

00:38:49:18 - 00:38:51:11

Luna

Some nice under.

00:38:51:12 - 00:38:56:22

Mia

There or even, like, you know, I'm not above a, above, like, boob flashing.

00:38:57:00 - 00:38:59:11

Luna

You could still love it or you know what I mean?

00:38:59:13 - 00:39:00:00

Mia

Like, or.

00:39:00:00 - 00:39:01:01

Luna

Stealing a moment in an.

00:39:01:01 - 00:39:17:03

Mia

Elevator, like, nothing like that. That's just kind of, like, really good. You ready for for the experience that's going to happen later. Because, like, sex is an experience like anything else, you know? And I feel like especially with people who, you know, you want to have like a longer engagement with, like you don't want.

00:39:17:03 - 00:39:18:02

Luna

To be in.

00:39:18:02 - 00:39:19:20

Mia

Heavy and then all of a sudden like.

00:39:20:02 - 00:39:22:21

Luna

It's over. Okay, goodbye. You know what? I mean?

00:39:22:23 - 00:39:38:16

Luna

I feel that it's so hard. And I love, like, you know, if I know that I'm going out to dinner with someone, like, taking their hand and putting it on my ass in the elevator, or B or I, I also will be. Especially because I like to drive. If I'm in a car. Like, I kind of like to be in control.

00:39:38:16 - 00:39:55:19

Luna

Yeah, I like I like to get chauffeured too, but especially a new connection I like. I'm like, I live in L.A., I know I'm an excellent driver. And so I will, like, reach over and put, like, the hand on my boob and I'll be like, it's your job to give me some squishies while we're good, you know, or I'll be like, oh, red, red, light blue for making out, you.

00:39:55:19 - 00:40:00:03

Luna

Know, David Crosby and yeah, yeah.

00:40:00:05 - 00:40:20:18

Luna

What other stuff do you like to receive? Like what really turns you on and makes you feel kind of like to see and worshiped and, you know, whether it's mutual worship both directions. It sounds like maybe you do like controlling some scenarios or being a vibe curator, but like what? What do you like to receive? What makes you feel really like melty and juicy and aroused?

00:40:20:20 - 00:40:21:21

Mia

I mean, obviously I love.

00:40:21:21 - 00:40:25:08

Luna

When people eat me out like, You know what?

00:40:25:09 - 00:40:48:08

Luna

What are your favorite? Like what are your pussy like? I recently realized, but my clit is so sensitive to it because my clitoral hood, my clitoral hood is so small. So she's exposed. And like if someone just goes in for the mashing or the like, you know, so I have in the last few years, I finally have realized that I can figure out how to give better instructions, but like, what's your pussy like?

00:40:48:10 - 00:40:55:13

Luna

And what does it depend like in terms of arousal, like where you are in your process, etc.? Like what are some physical sensations?

00:40:55:15 - 00:41:09:18

Mia

I need a slow eater. I cannot have anything else. It has to be slow. It has to be slow. And I need there to be fingering. Like what? Who, who, who decided that there's there's no fingers involved in that. I don't understand. Like I need it all.

00:41:09:18 - 00:41:13:06

Luna

I need, right. You know, we need like a little G-spot.

00:41:13:06 - 00:41:17:21

Mia

Stimulation to, like, let's make use of those hands. Otherwise, what are they doing?

00:41:17:23 - 00:41:20:22

Luna

Yeah, it's like I would not give a blowjob without hands.

00:41:21:00 - 00:41:22:02

Luna

Right? Exactly.

00:41:22:02 - 00:41:24:09

Luna

Except to tease at the beginning.

00:41:24:11 - 00:41:25:07

Luna

Yeah, but, like.

00:41:25:07 - 00:41:45:05

Mia

Of course they can be doing other too, you know, not not saying that they have to be inside me the whole time, but like, you know, I do like, like playing on the thighs, playing on the nipples, like I love fingers in my mouth. I can imagine it on her. Fantastic. Oh yeah. Right. Yeah. But so I do feel like, you know, to get me where I would like to go.

00:41:45:05 - 00:41:52:11

Mia

It does definitely need to be in there. Yeah. And I love a slow eater. I can't stand when it's like that. Like, what does that.

00:41:52:11 - 00:41:54:08

Luna

Do for me? I have a.

00:41:54:08 - 00:41:56:07

Mia

Vibrator for that. I think so.

00:41:56:09 - 00:41:57:13

Luna

Totally. Yeah.

00:41:57:18 - 00:41:59:06

Luna

Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:00:21 - 00:42:02:03

Luna

Are you guys. I know, I.

00:42:02:03 - 00:42:06:18

Mia

Just, I was going to say, like, not to yuck anyone's game. I know, of course, people have different things to say. Like, it's just.

00:42:06:22 - 00:42:07:17

Luna

It's just.

00:42:07:22 - 00:42:31:04

Luna

Totally, you know, I was recently with a couple and I was like, okay, like, show me what she likes. And for the first 30s, I was like, oh, no, because I thought the guy was like, air quotes. Doing a bad job because it really was this like like like fast back and forth. And then when it was my turn, I was like, oh, she really actually likes that.

00:42:31:04 - 00:42:36:14

Luna

Like this. She was really getting it. So I was like, okay, good boy. You know what to do. Like they clearly have their thing.

00:42:36:15 - 00:42:37:02

Luna

Like,

00:42:37:04 - 00:42:49:00

Luna

But through all the people that I've interviewed and had experience with personally, like I have not met very many people that like that, like fast flicking, especially to start with, you know, if someone does that to me, I'm like, whoa there.

00:42:49:00 - 00:42:52:17

Luna

Okay, hold on. Let me just step, you know?

00:42:52:17 - 00:42:57:13

Luna

And so it's like really there's quite literally different strokes for different folks.

00:42:57:15 - 00:43:00:02

Luna

Oh yeah. But the thing is too.

00:43:00:02 - 00:43:04:09

Mia

Like I'm like, I am always happy to correct someone because like, I.

00:43:04:13 - 00:43:05:08

Luna

There's, I feel.

00:43:05:08 - 00:43:10:03

Mia

Like I like when people try to give it an earnest shot. So if I'm like, if I'm saying like, oh, you.

00:43:10:03 - 00:43:12:16

Luna

Know, like, would they get down just a little bit.

00:43:12:16 - 00:43:26:11

Mia

And, you know, I feel like those people are usually the people that want to bring the best in it because they're like receptive to the criticism and they actually want to, like, give you what you want and give you pleasure in a way that's meaningful. Yeah. Which is we're both feeling it.

00:43:26:13 - 00:43:27:10

Luna

Like just one.

00:43:27:10 - 00:43:29:21

Mia

Person is getting the pleasure from the situation.

00:43:29:21 - 00:43:31:17

Luna

So yeah. Yeah.

00:43:31:19 - 00:43:38:14

Luna

What are your favorite ways to communicate with lovers when you want something to be different from what it currently is?

00:43:38:16 - 00:43:56:01

Mia

I do feel like I'm pretty. I'm always pretty vocal about it. Like it just depends though, on the on the person. Like some people need a gentler hand, you know what I mean? Some people I feel like if you tell them, you might hurt their feelings in a way. So it's better to just like show them. And you just kind of practice as, as you go.

00:43:56:01 - 00:44:03:21

Mia

But and so, you know, I do feel like if I'm not enjoying it, somebody can tell I'm not enjoying it because I'm not very good at faking it.

00:44:03:23 - 00:44:05:01

Luna

Totally. Yeah.

00:44:05:03 - 00:44:13:05

Mia

I don't believe in like I don't think that helps either person, because I don't feel like it's definitely not helping me to figure out for sure.

00:44:13:06 - 00:44:14:00

Luna

But it's also not.

00:44:14:00 - 00:44:26:15

Mia

Helping them because then they're going to go and do it to somebody else who's not going to like who. Maybe they're they have the same relationship with. So like, you know, I'm just molding I'm molding people to be better.

00:44:26:17 - 00:44:47:03

Luna

Which is hugely important. I did go through a brief period of like partnered orgasm anxiety. Well, it comes and goes still actually like I'm like, I've conquered it. And then they'll have like a stint where I'm like, especially with newer partners. And in the past I would go through, you know, when my communication skills were not as robust because I.

00:44:47:05 - 00:44:47:11

Luna

Had.

00:44:47:11 - 00:45:06:11

Luna

A lot of early experiences with trying to give feedback, doing it in a way that was like perhaps a bit too straightforward and having just like, really crinkly experiences come out of that. And back then I would actually benefit from sometimes faking my first orgasm because then all of me would relax, I wouldn't feel pressured, and then I was a lot more likely to come.

00:45:06:17 - 00:45:25:18

Luna

But since I have gained the ability to even just like mush fingers in a different direction, maybe even without words and be like, oh, try it like that, that that right there, you know, and figure that out. That's been really, really helpful. Yeah. Is is your pussy would you say that you have, like, very sensitive parts? Are you.

00:45:25:22 - 00:45:29:19

Luna

Easy, calm, tough calm. Does it depend on the day? Kind of like what's she like?

00:45:29:21 - 00:45:30:23

Luna

Yeah. It's a it depends.

00:45:30:23 - 00:45:46:20

Mia

On the day. But honestly, I feel like I can almost always get there in one way or another. Like, if it's not happening for me, like in a G-spot way, which it doesn't always. And it's not even that frequently, to be honest. But I can I can always get there, like, literally.

00:45:47:12 - 00:45:53:04

Luna

Okay, I'm, I'm more usually more than once, you know, love,

00:45:53:06 - 00:46:17:06

Luna

Do you feel like the sex that you have on camera feels different? Because I personally get, like, an extra boost of arousal from the voyeurism, exhibitionism, and or for me, it's less exhibitionism, more like, just like I'm sharing, you know, which I guess is just a subcategory of exhibitionism. And so that that, like, feeds something different in me from the part where I just get totally lost.

00:46:17:06 - 00:46:30:08

Luna

And if I'm like going down on someone, like, my face will be totally buried and then I'll like, remember to look at them. But I'm like, not even thinking about anything. Like, can you give us just like a smattering of the difference between your on camera work and your in-person experiences.

00:46:30:10 - 00:46:46:14

Mia

When I'm, you know, filming? I'm trying to be more in the moment, but I do feel like I'm one of those people that I am, unfortunately, always kind of thinking of like, oh, where's the camera? Oh, like, you know what? What angles kind of look good. So I feel like that's something that definitely be better at.

00:46:46:20 - 00:47:09:13

Luna

But that's also a skill because like as a behind the camera person, like there are moments where I'm like, that's so cool. And I literally can't capture it, you know, especially especially when I'm like working with couples that are like, we just want to capture our love. I was like, okay, it won't, you know, it's going to look different from like, the professionals who know how to, like, open up to camera and, you know, get the longest angle of the cock.

00:47:09:15 - 00:47:10:15

Luna

Exactly. Yeah.

00:47:10:15 - 00:47:25:22

Mia

So I feel like that's kind of what makes that different. You can't really be like as in the moment. I mean, that's not to say that there are have not been enjoyable experiences on camera. Of course there have been. But it is more like I, in the back of my mind, like I need to be able.

00:47:25:22 - 00:47:29:17

Luna

To sell this for money. Yeah. Yeah.

00:47:29:22 - 00:47:48:17

Luna

Well it's also really creating an opportunity for whoever is watching to be a part of the experience. You know, I mean like like yes camera angles are important. Like yes the sales. And it's because it's like otherwise that it's not for them. And so that's why I really think of everyone who might receive it as a muse, because I'm like, I am creating.

00:47:48:17 - 00:47:50:00

Luna

For them.

00:47:50:02 - 00:48:00:00

Mia

For sure, 100%. And that's like a good a really good point. But like at the end of the day, it's not actually it's while I am part of it, it's not for me. It's for them to. Yeah.

00:48:00:02 - 00:48:02:15

Luna

Well it's the exchange. It's the exchange that's hard.

00:48:02:17 - 00:48:04:03

Luna

Yeah.

00:48:04:05 - 00:48:24:15

Luna

What are some things that you've done on camera that like stand out or like favorite scenes or maybe even experiences. Because the biggest reason that I am attracted to doing more and more on camera work is I feel like it affords a certain type of experiences that I won't necessarily get in my kind of like regular dating life.

00:48:24:15 - 00:48:30:17

Luna

So like, what is my stuff that has just been, like, wildly fun or just like, stands out in your experiences?

00:48:31:02 - 00:48:36:01

Mia

So this is maybe not like the most conventional answer, but I love making junk porn.

00:48:36:05 - 00:48:38:03

Luna

Like, what does that mean?

00:48:38:05 - 00:49:02:20

Mia

So yeah. So I have a I have a close friend, in the industry who we always just make, like, really absolutely over-the-top ridiculous and, like, kind of funny porn, like. So one time we did a video, that was like a Scooby-Doo cosplay, and it was, we had to. Yeah. So three of us dressed up like Daphne and my friend dressed up as, Fred with a strap on.

00:49:02:22 - 00:49:08:00

Mia

And so we had to, like, use our mouths to so that he could figure out who was the real Daphne.

00:49:08:02 - 00:49:09:09

Luna

So we had, like.

00:49:09:11 - 00:49:20:22

Mia

Run off and, you know, he's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna feel by your mouth. Yeah, you suck that cock good. I think you're the real Daphne. But I don't want to like that. I feel like it is so fucking funny.

00:49:21:00 - 00:49:21:23

Luna

I did another one.

00:49:21:23 - 00:49:31:02

Mia

Like where we did The Grinch. Like my friend dressed up as the Grinch with a green on. Yes, we did green silly string for come.

00:49:31:02 - 00:49:32:09

Luna

All over our faces.

00:49:32:11 - 00:49:35:03

Mia

But like the Grinch stole our gifts and we had to suck.

00:49:35:03 - 00:49:40:17

Luna

And hope to get them back I feel like love is like how funny.

00:49:40:17 - 00:49:41:12

Mia

And of course.

00:49:41:14 - 00:49:47:07

Luna

When I also I noticed it. Yes. Wow. I just bought Comcast video.

00:49:47:07 - 00:49:55:13

Mia

With them like a like a couple weeks ago. Yeah, we're, we're just all hammering away and see who could squirt the farthest. Some the most.

00:49:55:15 - 00:49:58:21

Luna

Oh that was sick. What else are you going to do that you know, like.

00:49:59:08 - 00:50:02:12

Luna

So you are a squirt or you're someone who can squirt?

00:50:02:13 - 00:50:03:14

Mia

Oh, yeah. For sure.

00:50:03:16 - 00:50:05:21

Luna

Oh, I thought that time, that.

00:50:05:21 - 00:50:15:09

Mia

Particular time I had stage fright or something, which is so weird for me because I have so many squirting videos like, and usually it's like all over the camera. It's all over me.

00:50:15:09 - 00:50:17:01

Luna

It's like, you know.

00:50:17:01 - 00:50:21:09

Mia

Like I am usually I'm a big, big time supporter. But this time.

00:50:21:15 - 00:50:23:13

Luna

I don't know, I was just maybe I was too.

00:50:23:13 - 00:50:24:23

Mia