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42 straight dude, he/him pronouns, married 23 years, grew up in high-control religion, furniture craftsman, metal fabricator, from North Dakota, into: outdoor adventures, dirt bike racing, sex, blowjobs, giving oral, giving anal

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Luna

And our guest today is a 42 year old straight dude who has been married for 23 years. And until a recent foursome, his wife was the only person he had ever slept with. He loves outdoor adventures, racing dirt bikes, sex, blowjobs, giving his wife oral and anal when it feels good for her, and has yet to explore masturbation due to a combination of fear instilled during teen years, and having a wife that likes sex.

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Luna

He grew up in an incredibly high control religion that he fully left only in the past few years. A furniture craftsman and metal fabricator from North Dakota. Welcome, doc.

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Doc

Hey, how are you doing? It's good to talk to you.

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Luna

I am so excited to collect your stories. How is that introduction for you?

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Doc

That was good. Okay.

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Luna

Sounds good. Okay, so please tell our sweet listeners start off by rating yourself on a sexual shame. A meter with ten being most full of shame and one being like, not so shame at all. Where do you fall today?

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Doc

Probably for depends on the situation or who I'm with. It goes up and down I guess, but okay.

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Luna

Yeah. Give us some details on the context of where it squiggles or go you're going to shame will coaster.

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Doc

Well with like my wife and some, some of our friends are still fairly religious, so I don't talk about it or think about it so much. And they, I don't I don't really want to talk about what we do or, you know, get too into it because they're a pretty conservative with their beliefs. And then I guess around them or, you know, my parents are still in that religion that we left.

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Doc

So like, talking to them is I mean, not that you talk to your parents about sex, but it's, you know, different situations like that. It's like, okay, let's kind of avoid everything. But then we have three kids and our oldest daughter, I can't talk about it. She thinks her mom and I kissing is gross. Our middle daughter, we can talk about anything under the sun and our son's kind of too young.

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Doc

And I don't know, you don't need to know yet, but. Okay. Sometimes certain people I can talk about anything. I guess in the past, after our son was born, I had vasectomy right away. So I think it was a couple of years later. We were around a bunch of people and I personally, I think it's just adult responsibility, you know, that way you don't really can have more fun and you won't have more kids.

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Doc

And so I told a few people that I had had it. And there was, you know, some of the older people around were like, oh my God, don't say that. I don't talk about that kind of. I was like, why? Oh wow. Why not? Who cares? But, you know, God talk to you. So that's my roller coaster of shame.

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Luna

Okay, okay, so you're a four now. It sounds though, like maybe you and your wife have some good communication. Like, what's what's the kind of, like, shame exchange there? And were you always a four. Has that kind of come down over the years because of this religious background?

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Doc

Yeah, it's definitely come down over the years. I mean, when we were dating in the religion we were in, we weren't supposed to, you know, be together at all. Once we did it the first time, we couldn't get enough of each other. So we'd sneak off and do it in the truck or do it in the car and like just kind of all over the place, which was fantastic.

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Doc

But at the same time you'd get done and you'd, you know that that post nut clarity type of thing, like, oh God, what did we do? This is so bad, we shouldn't be doing this. We gotta stop. We can't do this anymore, you know? And then the next day I would be horny and like, oh, piss on it.

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Doc

Let's do it again anyways.

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Luna

Yeah, yeah. Okay, here's a question though. Do you think it really is post nut clarity? Because I have heard so many stories of shame backlashes after orgasm that I personally have not experienced. Do you think is that like the true brain clarity and then like horny is confusion? Or do you think like our pleasure impulses are just maybe a different sort of truth?

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Doc

Honestly, I'd probably have to agree more with you. I mean, it's the horniness I guess is maybe a little bit of your brain overcoming, you know, thinking with the wrong head kind of thing. But at the same time, I also think that's more of you like who you are.

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Luna

Yeah.

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Doc

Versus how you've been trained or raised or what you've been around your entire life, you know?

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Luna

Yeah, I.

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Doc

Think it's I think it's more of who you are for sure. Because since we've left, my wife and I have both, we've given a lot less shits about what people think and what people say and who it is. And it's it is so freeing to just be yourself. You don't have to put on a show. You don't have to watch what you say and who you're around.

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Doc

And when you say it, or how you're dressed, or how you grow your hair, or if you have a beard, or if you have tattoos or any of that stuff, you know, it's it's really nice to just be free and be all right.

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Luna

Yeah, yeah. And of course, with the normal caveats of we want to be ourselves in the context of not stepping on other people's ability to be themselves, which of course creates a messy human world. But it sounds like you really are in this new era of exploring your own personal pleasure. So could you tell us how in your life have you learned about sex?

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Luna

Maybe take us through your formative experiences and kind of like land wherever you want to, wherever you want to land right now?

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Doc

Oh, you guys are going to laugh at this. So when I was 12 ish, maybe 11, somewhere in there in the religion we were in, and they have different books, kind of for everything to help people get through different situations. And there's, there's one chapter on puberty or like masturbation and that kind of thing. My parents kind of tried, but my mom is so conservative that talking about sex was like, not you didn't.

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Doc

It wasn't okay. You know, I did. My dad just kind of kept his mouth shut more than anything, so I honestly don't know. But when they were having that conversation with me and this stands out to this day, for some reason, my mom said, you know, if you if you masturbate, something else comes out of your penis. And I was just like, oh my God, what else comes out?

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Doc

Like, you know, it's just like that now, is it? I mean, let's like the serious face, like your dick's probably going to explode or something. I'm like, oh my God, I'm never going to do this. Like, what do you mean what comes out? So it was yeah, quite something. And then I had a girlfriend in high school that I mean, we were I hung out, I'd sneak over to her house because now when parents have too many rules, you're kind of like, I'm good, I'm out.

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Doc

I'm going to go and sneak around. It makes sneaky kids. Well, even mine. That was horrible. Yes, it's nice finding that balance is really hard though, but. So I'd sneak out and I'd go over to her place and she wouldn't give blowjobs, which I don't know. I was probably 16, so I didn't know or didn't care.

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Luna

Yeah.

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Doc

But I would eat her out sometimes. Or a finger and weed and her parents, which to me was crazy. They wouldn't care if I slept over or how much we around or if the door was closed. Okay. It was fantastic. But like, yeah, it's kind of funny. It's mind blowing to me though, because when our daughters were home, like that would have never been okay.

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Doc

But that's probably also where we came from too, you know, it wasn't okay. Sure. But so then after that, we really didn't last too long. And a couple girlfriends that never really went anywhere. And then I met my wife when I was 19 and then I think it was 3 or 4 months later. We did it for the first time and and it was on and it hasn't stopped since.

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Doc

So.

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Luna

Wow. Okay. So can we talk about masturbation for a second, or rather lack of masturbation? I guess I shouldn't describe it as like the continued decision to not masturbate. It really worked on you. They told you don't do it and you listened.

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Doc

I guess I just kind of scared me. And then somewhere in my brain, it was like, well, why do I need to do this if I have a girl to do it?

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Luna

Okay.

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Doc

You know, then I guess once I got with my wife, we were doing it so often at first that I didn't see a point. Really, I don't know, over the years with a pretty good sex life. And I just never have until, you know, maybe a few times, you know, kind of a mutual masturbation, but never like I'm going to sit downstairs and look at porn and get myself off kind of thing.

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Luna

Okay. Aren't you just curious, though? I realize that my main motive for doing a lot of things is just apparent, apparently extreme curiosity. And so, like, you just haven't. I mean, it sounds like you are very satisfied in your sex life. Is that accurate?

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Doc

Yeah I am.

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Luna

Congrats, dude. That's fucking awesome. I'm here to celebrate that with you, but do you? Okay, so mutual masturbation. I mean, it still is different, right? You just don't get horny by yourself or curious or you just. Or is it like a point of pride at this point of, like, I do have this special connection with my partner and so like other hands don't feel as good?

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Doc

No, I, I don't know, I just haven't really seen a point. I mean, we go through dry spells, you know, but it's I mean, honestly, I have sex 3 or 4 times a week, if not more or, you know, different times in life, maybe when our kids are born, you know, she wasn't in the mood or is just, okay, well, I guess I won't.

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Doc

We'll be all right. We'll make it through. And I haven't seen a need. Okay, I guess, I don't know, it's wild listening to, like, podcasts or, you know, other things and people talk about. It's like, That's interesting. I guess I've never really considered it that much. Yeah, I've always had a partner that wants to.

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Luna

I love that also. It's so beautiful for me. I mean, this is why I love talking to different people, right? Like, I have been living a largely solo adult life. And so if if masturbation were not part of my life, I would not have nearly as many happy orgasms as I would want. You know, I don't know, I think it's kind of cool and beautiful to just choose it, because it doesn't sound like.

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Luna

Now, is it accurate to say you're no longer afraid of masturbation? Like it sounds like you've moved out of that realm of fear? Or if you think about masturbating solo, does it still come up?

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Doc

It's not really. I don't it doesn't scare me. It okay. I mean, I know it comes out now. I mean, obviously we tend to bulk, you know, we're good, but I don't know, I can wait a day or two until my wife is in the mood. And then we'll have fun then.

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Luna

And that's fun edging too, right?

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Doc

Yeah. I guess we kind of incorporated toys early in our life because after our first daughter, it was a lot harder for her to get there. So I, you know, we got toys and we played and I mean, now she's a pretty easy come but it's fantastic.

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Luna

Amazing. Oh well, it sounds like you guys have been practicing together too. Jumping back to your earlier years, did you ever have friends talking about sex? Or was everyone sort of under the same religious rule that was like, don't do it, don't talk about it? Or like, do you do you know if you had any friends that were masturbating?

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Doc

I think there were. So like any of the friends that I had in their religion, there's still two that I'm good friends with. We don't have that level of conversation.

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Luna

Okay.

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Doc

But there was and I really when I look back on it, I really wasn't that great of being in that religion because I had friends that were in that religion, and I've kind of questioned it forever until, you know, recently where I just said, okay, fuck it, I'm out. But okay. I remember this one time we were standing at my friend's house and he had found, I don't know if it was some playboys or hustlers or something under his dad's bed, you know, like, apparently all kids dads.

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Luna

Yeah.

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Doc

But I don't know where this. Yeah, right. I don't know where the idea came from, but he told us all there's like four of us. I think 4 or 5 is like, okay, we all got to stand in a line and we're going to look at this magazine and apparently, like whoever's I mean, we were fully dressed, but whoever's like, but stuck out, you're trying to hide your boner.

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Doc

And they're not like. And then I don't know if they were going to make fun of the guy that got it gun hard or what was going to go on, but I just all I could think in my head was like, oh my God, look at it, but don't get aroused. Don't let your butt stick out because I don't know what's going to happen.

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Doc

I don't know, it's just weird.

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Luna

That's so funny.

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Doc

Other than that, not really.

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Luna

Okay, so you had experiences with like, getting aroused, as many of us do as young people, even even though I didn't quite figure out what it was for a while. But did you did you have wet dreams? Like did how did you figure out what came out? What other stuff came out?

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Doc

I think magazines, you know, magazines and movies that, you know, we all find and watch somewhere. Somebody's dad had something that we watched, which is weird looking back on it, you know, like 3 or 4 guys sitting around the living room watching porn and it's like, oh, that's what happens, I guess, I don't know. So that's pretty much where all my sex ed came from.

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Doc

Unfortunately, it was watching porn too, because it's like, oh, well, that's how that works. And the dumbest thing was, I think I was probably a senior in high school and I please forgive me all the women, but I didn't know that women had a separate peephole from their vagina and their butthole until I was like a senior in high school.

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Luna

You don't know until, you know, like, it's because if you don't, if you don't have someone sit down and really explain it. I mean, I had both of those holes growing up, and it was explained to me and I was trying to experiment with a tampon at a really young, I mean, not that young. I was 12, but I didn't start my period till I was 14.

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Luna

So I was like looking around. I was like, there's a hole here somewhere. I want to find it. And I quit and I couldn't because, like, I didn't have anyone to show me, you know? And I distinctly remember being curious about that. And so it's like, even as an owner of all of those holes, I was still trying to figure it out up until I finally, like, you know, got some additional help.

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Luna

And like, I think I ended up asking a girlfriend who was like a little further along a development like where the other hole once. And she was like, tween them, you know? So yeah, that's that's totally understandable. Do you, do you remember the first time you came, like, was it with one of your early girlfriends, or was it like, was there a wet.

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Doc

My wife.

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Luna

With you?

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Doc

It was a yeah.

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Luna

That's cute. Wow. Oh.

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Doc

And how we didn't get pregnant that first time is a miracle.

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Luna

Divine timing. Wow.

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Doc

Oh my God. Right.

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Luna

Yeah. Would you take us through some of the early physical experiences you remember, like when you were still kind of figuring it out and maybe then branched into you kind of mentioned how she's become an easier come or you've had toys infused and it sounds like maybe you have a good communication relationship with her. So I would love to just hear some of the, like, formative points of your relationship that have turned you into the sexual creature you are.

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Doc

Okay, so my wife had two boyfriends before her that she had slept with.

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Luna

For you?

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Doc

Yeah. Before me. I tend to believe her. I'm not 100% sure, but she said that first time we had sex, you were, like, the greatest lover I'd ever had. And, like, all I was doing was trying to copy what I seen on porn, so I don't know, but, I mean, other than that, I mean, we tried to do it everywhere.

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Doc

And then over the years, you know, she kind of changed after each kid we had.

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Luna

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Doc

And then with different medications she's been on and it's just, I don't know, experimenting and trying things together. And she'd mentioned something like, yeah, let's try it or I'd say it. And anal took a while. We tried it. We actually tried it when they were dating and it didn't feel good. Yeah. For her. So she's like, no, I don't really like this.

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Doc

And then we tried it a few more times when she, when we were earlier married. Sometimes it feels good, sometimes it didn't. And then it honestly seemed like every tattoo she got, she enjoyed it more and more. So I don't know if like, the, the pain tolerance was changed or I don't know, but I mean, as long as it feels good.

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Doc

She loves it now. And so I did too. But did that answer the question?

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Luna

Oh, that's a good start. Also, to our listeners, if anyone else out there has any correlations between increased number of tattoos and relationship to liking anal sex, I'd like to hear about it. It took me a while to like I tried anal so many times for years, right? 19 was the first time I tried it and I was 27, almost 28 before I was like, oh, there it is, you know?

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Luna

But I also didn't have partners. I also didn't know what I was doing. Right. I didn't know about lube, didn't know I needed lube, didn't know about warming up a butthole. I didn't know about all the other, you know, just massaging and touching and play that can make that really, really fun. But it sounds like even though you were in this very strict religion, you and she have this comfort that I think is really special.

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Luna

Can you share about that? Like, like hasn't always been easy for you to communicate about sex with each other.

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Doc

Yeah. I mean, it really has. It just always came so natural to us that it it was kind of cool. Anal. It may sound dumb, but I don't know if we've been together in another life or if we're just meant to be, but man, we're just perfect for each other. I mean, it's we're the only ones. I guess.

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Luna

That's so fucking cool. Okay, I'm going to reveal that I have a little bit of foreknowledge, though, because this is I don't want to fast forward through your stories, but recently you mentioned that there have been you have new experiences besides just your wife. Can you share a little bit about how you guys kind of what what happened and how you progressed into it?

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Doc

Well, I don't really know how it came about, honestly, but I think we had talked about it a few times, you know, kind of in foreplay, like, oh, it'd be fun to have someone else around or, you know, and she'd express that, you know, she thinks women are beautiful and she'd like to, you know, like, I think tits are fantastic.

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Doc

And I was like, oh, my God, me too. So, you know, just kind of for playing thing. And there would be a couple times where we'd be laying in bed or, you know, we had sex or something. And she's like, what would you think of another couple? I was like, I, I'd be up for it, I guess, with and that was only in the last couple of years since we, we left and we're just like, fuck it, let's try everything.

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Doc

You know, it's like, I'm already 40. I got half my life left. Let's do everything I can do. I'm tired of sitting around not living anymore. So we go on. I can't remember what she was looking at and there weren't really any real couples or anything like that, except for some terrifying looking people that were going on. Yeah.

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Doc

Hell no. But then that kind of faded away, and I think she bring it up every once in a while, like, yeah, if you want to, let's try it. And then she reconnected with an old friend from high school on Facebook and they started messaging. And then somehow in that conversation, he had mentioned that they have an open marriage.

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Doc

So he was like, what would you think of that? I'm like, whatever would be fun. She's like, I don't want to open it up to just sleep with other people. But, you know, like you and me or, you know, sometimes we just do something. I'm like, fuck yeah, let's try it. Let's see what happens. And then I think, I've been listening to you a lot.

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Doc

And then there's another podcast that I listen to, or she's kind of the opposite. And, you know, opening your relationship never works out type of thing.

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Luna

Oh.

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Doc

So like, well, the only common factor between those two is absolute tons of communication, you know? So every thought that pops in your head say you're in the shower or you're on the toilet or something in middle of work, you have a question. What do you think about this? How would you feel about that? You know, what would you think if we were doing this?

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Doc

Would you like her better than me, or do you? What would happen if I liked him better than you? Or I was like, well, let's talk about it. We did that for a while and then they live in in her home town where her family all lived. So he went back for a weekend, and then we kind of set it up and met, not in person, but we started texting and I got her phone number.

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Doc

So we were texting back and forth, and then it was a group between us for.

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Luna

Okay, so.

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Doc

We just I don't kind of got a little bit of a relationship and got to know each other a little bit over text and set it up to do it. One night when we came down to her home town and that's what happened. So it was kind of a progressive thing.

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Luna

Can you give details about what you ended up doing? It sounds like maybe there was was it straight swapping?

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Doc

We were all in the same. Okay, so I'll start from the beginning. So we went to their house and we left her her brother's house because that's where we were staying. And we drove up to their house and we're parked in front, you know, like, okay, we're supposed to be here at this certain time, and we're sitting in the car just like, oh my God, do we really want to do this?

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Doc

Are you sure? Like, yeah, let's I'm nervous. I don't know what's going to happen, you know? So like, okay, so we go, we knock on the door and we I meet her for the first time and him for the first time. And she'd known him, so they went to school together. So then, you know, we go in and we sit down and it was just it was weird just, you know, because in the back of your mind, you're like, this is the thing we're possibly going to be doing later.

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Doc

And now we're just sitting on the couch having casual conversation and getting to know each other. So then we ordered food, and my wife and him went to go get it, and she and I were just sitting in the living room talking and chatting and just getting to know each other. And that was super fun. So then I came back and we ate then like, okay, well, let's go hot tub.

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Doc

I'm like, yeah, okay. So so how do we like, oh, we just all get naked and go in the hot tub. I'm like, well, all right, let's. Okay. So just in the living room, we all took our clothes off and got out into the hot tub. And it was it was the wildest thing because I've never been naked around another man or woman.

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Doc

Well, you know, except for that, like, locker room thing. When you're young and your dad and all the people are in there and you see dicks flying everywhere to different concepts.

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Luna

Yeah, yeah.

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Doc

So it's like, well, all right, so we all get naked. We're sitting in the hot tub, just all four of us. I'm like, this is incredible. I have zero shame.

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Luna

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Doc

I'm in a hot tub naked with two other people that I met today, and it's all good. This is wonderful. This fantastic. This is, like, freeing and great. So we did that for, I think, about 20 minutes or so, and we went in the house, we dried off and like, all right, well let's, let's all go upstairs okay.

00:23:30:05 - 00:23:56:08

Doc

So I'm, I'm still nervous, but it's, it's like a good happy nervous. It's not weird. It's not anything. And I met this guy that night and we're just walking around naked together. So we get to their room and we. What did we do? I think the two girls were laying on the bed, and then he was, you know, doing something, setting the mood or grabbing some toys or something.

00:23:56:10 - 00:24:11:17

Doc

I'm just standing there nervously, awkward, like, I have no idea what I'm going to do it. I don't even know what's going on. You know, I'm in my mouth is like agape because I'm in complete disbelief at the situation, you know? So it's just like, this is unfucking tastic.

00:24:11:18 - 00:24:12:16

Luna

Yeah.

00:24:12:18 - 00:24:34:22

Doc

So then I think she asks, what? What would you guys like to do? And he's like, well, I'd love to see you two kiss. So my wife and her start kissing and feeling each other, and and he and I just lay down on opposite sides of the bed, totally naked, totally comfortable, just like, okay, this is what we're doing now.

00:24:34:22 - 00:25:00:20

Doc

This is cool. And I don't feel shame or feel weird or feel anything. It's it was amazing how being naked was just okay. It was pretty cool. So then the two girls messed around for a while, and then my wife wanted to be fucked. So she was getting fucked by him. And then she was like, come on baby, I want to blow you.

00:25:00:20 - 00:25:20:09

Doc

So I lay down in front of her and she was blowing me while she was watching. And again, I was just like, Holy shit, what's going on? Oh my God, this is incredible. So then he had to go out of the room for something, and I'm not my wife, but the other lady, she's like, so what would you like?

00:25:20:09 - 00:25:43:08

Doc

And I was like, you know, I'm just going to shoot my shot. And like, it'd be fucking awesome if you both suck my dick. And she's like, yeah, let's do it. It's like, Holy shit. Okay, so I lay down on the bed and it was like, you know, boyhood dream come true. You know what you see? And I was like, wow, this is this is fucking amazing.

00:25:43:10 - 00:25:44:18

Luna

So cool.

00:25:44:20 - 00:26:04:13

Doc

Yeah. So it was it was pretty cool. And it was also weird too, because there was like another woman and my wife, and it was just it was cool. But it was, I think, a little bit awkward on my nerves. I think we're starting to get to me a little bit totally for stimulation overload. Yeah.

00:26:04:13 - 00:26:05:08

Luna

Same thing happens.

00:26:05:08 - 00:26:30:03

Doc

And then. Yeah, so we stopped that for a little bit and he came back. And then I think the girls like if I remember my timeline right, the girls laid down and we were both eating them for a little while and that was that was amazing. And I've never seen another vagina before. So it was that was fantastic.

00:26:30:05 - 00:26:32:21

Doc

She tasted fantastic. So that was pretty cool.

00:26:32:23 - 00:26:33:13

Luna

Wow.

00:26:33:15 - 00:26:47:14

Doc

And then let's see what happened after that. And then we just started having sex. She got on her back and we were doing that missionary and we were fucking for a while. And then my wife and him were like laying right next to us with the opposite direction.

00:26:47:19 - 00:26:48:21

Luna

00:26:48:23 - 00:27:11:16

Doc

So my mind was so blown and so overstimulated because I'm looking at my wife and I'm looking at this girl and he's over there fucking. So I, we had a good time but I never came just because it was just like oh I'm like oh my fucking god. Like, yeah, this is, this is wild, you know. So but it was good.

00:27:11:18 - 00:27:28:17

Doc

I mean, the girl I was with, she came a couple times and it was amazing. And then we laid there naked on the bed and just talked like 45 minutes and just had conversation. All of us naked, having a good time when we left and kind of speechless on the drive home, just like, Holy shit, what did we do?

00:27:28:17 - 00:27:31:19

Doc

This is amazing. So yeah.

00:27:31:21 - 00:27:50:07

Luna

That is so cool. Thank you for sharing all of those details. I mean, you know, I'm such a fan of details and just I know how hazy it gets to to try to, like, tell a linear version of a sex story like, especially when it's so heightened. I also love that you included the fact that you didn't come.

00:27:50:07 - 00:28:06:05

Luna

I have a lot of partners who don't end up coming, you know, because I can't make them, but because, like you said, oftentimes in a new situation, the nervous system is so overstimulated. So for I have this experience too, right? Like, I was recently in a dungeon getting my first whipping. And I was like, this is so good.

00:28:06:05 - 00:28:24:23

Luna

And I felt like on the edge of a lot of things. But like, I'm not going to come because it's two. It's just a different headspace because I'm in the novelty mode still for me and I. And it's okay because it's still so exciting. I would love to hear, like, did you have just because I get these questions so often, did you have any like, feelings?

00:28:24:23 - 00:28:35:09

Luna

It sounds like there was a lot of positivity, but like watching your wife with another person, like either the husband or wife like, was there anything that came up for you watching that?

00:28:35:11 - 00:28:38:19

Doc

Surprisingly not, I think, because we had talked about it so much.

00:28:38:19 - 00:28:39:20

Luna

Yeah.

00:28:39:22 - 00:28:57:19

Doc

And I'm very much the person where if I'm going to do something, I run the scenario in my head a thousand times, like kind of, okay, this is going to happen, that's going to happen, and this is going to happen is kind of okay, I'm prepared. I know it's going to happen. And no, that was it was fucking hot.

00:28:57:19 - 00:29:14:07

Doc

I mean, it was it was amazing. Like watching my wife get fucked was it was pretty cool. I mean, it was just like, wow, that's a part of me was like, wow, that's what it looks like. That's fucking hot. Like watching her have sex is. She's amazing.

00:29:14:09 - 00:29:15:22

Luna

Oh, okay.

00:29:15:22 - 00:29:19:03

Doc

Then I no, it was it was cool.

00:29:19:05 - 00:29:32:10

Luna

I also just want to highlight and celebrate the fact that you are a dude who identifies as not into other dudes, but it sounds like you were really in the sexy flow of the whole group scenario. And that, I think is fucking amazing.

00:29:32:12 - 00:29:50:13

Doc

Well thank you. Yeah, that was that kind of that was part of my mind blowing this, I guess. Yeah. Is that I was perfectly okay laying on the bed with another naked guy and it was, it just felt normal and okay. And it was fantastic.

00:29:50:15 - 00:30:00:21

Luna

I love that. Would you please tell our sweet listeners what health and safety practices did you guys talk about ahead of time to have in place you'd feel comfy to play?

00:30:00:23 - 00:30:14:02

Doc

Not much on our end since we've been together for 20 some years, so we known where we are. But, his wife had only been with him for a while. He's got a little more of an open marriage thing.

00:30:14:04 - 00:30:14:17

Luna

00:30:14:18 - 00:30:27:21

Doc

But I guess she was all okay with it. So we were okay with it. And after talking to her, you know, like, there were no nothing that we needed to worry about. So we were. We were good.

00:30:27:23 - 00:30:32:21

Luna

Okay. So you guys had a conversation ahead of time to check and make sure you're all on the same page.

00:30:32:23 - 00:30:33:18

Doc

Yeah, yeah.

00:30:33:18 - 00:30:43:03

Luna

Thank you. I love that. So good. Do you think you guys will do it again? Like, how are you feeling now? Reflecting on it. Because this is fairly recent right.

00:30:43:05 - 00:31:05:01

Doc

Yeah. It was maybe a month ago a month and a half somewhere in there. Yeah. I think we. Well, and actually this is a little more of my wife's story, but I won't go into details. But she. Yeah. This a week or so ago, she was like, what would you think of me kind of getting a girlfriend? Like, that'd be cool if that's what you would like.

00:31:05:03 - 00:31:22:01

Doc

So she was on Tinder and she met a girl that lives pretty close to us. That it's. It sounds like both of them are open to play, but it's more of my wife and her. And if she comes down, then maybe all three of us can play. Or if the wife goes over there, then those three can play.

00:31:22:01 - 00:31:34:12

Doc

But it's it's just kind of like, whatever happens, happens type of thing. And they're, they're actually having their first, I guess you'd call it a date on Saturday. So let me kind of cool.

00:31:34:14 - 00:31:55:14

Luna

That's so exciting. It sounds like you have a really strong connection with your wife, as you mentioned. Is that would you say maybe like the foundation to your comfort here, or do you think you are just like a non jealous person? Like, it sounds like you're just really supportive in ways that I'm like, oh God, it exists. That's good to know.

00:31:55:16 - 00:32:25:07

Doc

I think it's a little bit of both. I guess it's from the beginning. We've always been, you know, like, it's not an option to leave. I mean, if one of us leaves, it's because we died, you know, kind of thing. So it's. If you haven't said in the past, too, if you make the mistake and cheat, you know, before we thought about opening anything like, unless it was malicious and you want to leave, you know, I'd take you back and we'd fix it.

00:32:25:09 - 00:32:47:03

Doc

So it's always been a we'll work on it and talk about it before it's okay. We're done see it kind of thing. But it's always been that. And I'm not. My wife has said this a few times. She's like, I wish you'd be more jealous about things like, really, I know you, so I'm not worried. So maybe if it was different I would be.

00:32:47:03 - 00:32:50:21

Doc

But I'm not. I'm not a very jealous person. I guess.

00:32:50:23 - 00:33:01:05

Luna

You wait, is that a joke? Like a joke? I want you to be more jealous. Or is it? What is that? How do you understand that statement? This is where my little autistic brain is like. I do not understand.

00:33:01:06 - 00:33:28:04

Doc

I think she's mostly serious, with a hint of, like, curious or teasing just to lighten the lighten the phrase, you know, kind of thing. But yeah, there's been a few times she's like, well, I wish you'd be a little more. You be, I don't know, we'd be out at something and, you know, some guy would look at her or hit on her or something and, and she would come back and say, well, that guy said this, or there are a few times where she was driving my truck and guys would hit on her.

00:33:28:04 - 00:33:45:00

Doc

You're like, oh, is that your truck? Or, you know, you're really sexy or something? And she'd come back and tell me and I'm like, oh, that's okay. That's whatever. It's like, you're not even jealous about this. When you came home to me, I don't know, why should I be jealous of it?

00:33:45:02 - 00:34:03:00

Luna

I think that's so hot. Personally, I love I mean, I know a lot of people have backgrounds where maybe jealousy is squirreled up with love or with the idea of love. And for me, I like what you said is like, oh, you're coming back to me like, we have this solid thing, but that is like just the key in my opinion.

00:34:03:02 - 00:34:21:08

Luna

Wow. So, okay, zooming out a little bit, sometimes I ask these questions at the beginning to get a frame, but I would just love to hear what is sex to you like? I mean, what counts as sex? How do you understand sex? What feels like sex to you? Like, what's the definition of sex?

00:34:21:10 - 00:34:49:20

Doc

Well, unfortunately, it's a little tainted from my background, but anything intimate is pretty much sex. You know? I mean, making out, fingering, feeling each other. I mean, it's anything sexual. I mean, I wouldn't consider flirting sexual or sex, but anything where your hands are touching and feeling and your lips are touching and caressing anything like that, I guess I would.

00:34:49:22 - 00:34:57:21

Doc

I guess technically it's all sex and that's where my head goes. So yes, it's on. Let's start touching.

00:34:57:23 - 00:35:13:10

Luna

How can you understand the difference between flirting and being friendly? This is something I've been recently curious about. Again, I feel like I went through a phase where I was thinking about it a lot, but like, do you see a distinction?

00:35:13:12 - 00:35:36:20

Doc

In my head, it's how much attention I'm giving to someone and kind of my tone and how I talk. I know when we were first married, my wife, we'd be at a restaurant and I'm just a really nice person, probably to my detriment, because sometimes I get walked on. But she's like, would you stop flirting with the waitress?

00:35:36:20 - 00:35:46:14

Doc

I'm like, I'm just having a conversation, asking her what she's doing, how she is. So I think I've I've tone that down so I wouldn't hurt her too.

00:35:46:16 - 00:35:47:02

Luna

Okay.

00:35:47:02 - 00:36:08:16

Doc

So it, I guess said to me it's a little different in how I interact with someone because, recently, you know, growing up, we were allowed to have friends as girls. But it was always like, you keep your distance. If you talk to girls, you know, you better have someone around to make sure that you're not going to start feeling each other, you know?

00:36:08:18 - 00:36:27:05

Doc

And a boy and a girl get together, you know, that's the only outcome is sex, right? So recently, you know, some of our new friends, husbands and wives, you know, it's we talk and sometimes we'll text back and forth with their wives. You know, I will with their wives about different things, about birthdays or our kids are just conversating like the other.

00:36:27:05 - 00:36:42:15

Doc

I think it was the snow day before yesterday. My friend's wife texted me and she was just like, we're thinking of you. I hope you do good with your surgery tomorrow. And like it is. It's just purely friendship and it's fantastic. So it's cool to be able to just have girls as friends.

00:36:42:19 - 00:36:43:15

Luna

Yes.

00:36:43:17 - 00:36:53:20

Doc

So like, I guess that's where I separate the flirting with friendship because it's it's a different connection, different tone, how much attention you'd pay and kind of thing.

00:36:53:22 - 00:37:00:14

Luna

Yeah. Yeah. So let's see. Do I want to ask it. Nope nope nope nope nope. Oh there's a million things I want to ask you. I'll stay the course, that's all.

00:37:00:14 - 00:37:01:15

Doc

It's all good, I know.

00:37:01:17 - 00:37:22:14

Luna

Well I'm okay. Well okay I will ask. So I'm I'm jumping back really quickly to thinking about your. Do I want to call it non jealousy. Maybe your sturdiness in relationship that allows you to like let go of feelings that might cause jealousy for other, but doesn't feel like you have to even let go of anything. You're just like, unflappable.

00:37:22:14 - 00:37:35:19

Luna

Like you're not jealous. Do you feel like there's a correlation between your lack of jealousy or your lack of experience around jealousy, and the level of honesty that you have in your relationship?

00:37:35:21 - 00:38:01:11

Doc

Yeah, probably. I guess I've noticed too, that some people, not all, but the more jealous people have tended to really be hurt in the past and I haven't had that experience. So maybe that's kind of where it comes from. I've never been cheated on or I've never, you know, had that experience. I've never it's never been a necessity in my brain to, to worry about.

00:38:01:17 - 00:38:21:21

Luna

So that's really insightful. I didn't that didn't occur to me. But yeah. Yeah. Thanks for sharing that. I yeah, I've just been thinking a lot about kind of the the way jealousy shows up in our relationship, in the narratives of the stories that we see on screen. Right? We Hollywood loves a good love triangle or a bad love triangle, in my opinion.

00:38:21:21 - 00:38:49:10

Luna

And I think it's just so I don't know, I think it's really special to get to have deeper level of conversation with people who are like, yes, I have a different experience actually, even in these like triangulated situations. And I also just want to reflect and kind of like underline that. I hear you responding to your partner's needs around jealousy instead of dismissing or being like, oh, you have nothing to worry about or whatever, you actually just adjust the way you speak to the server or whatever it is, you know, to kind of prioritize your partner's comfort.

00:38:49:16 - 00:38:52:09

Doc

Yeah, I didn't do it immediately. It took.

00:38:52:09 - 00:38:53:10

Luna

Me years.

00:38:53:12 - 00:39:10:09

Doc

To realize it and like, okay, I maybe I should do this, you know, kind of thing. You know, at first, you know, you're just a stupid kid. That's like, whatever. That's not true. I'm not flirting, you know, because I wasn't flirting, right? But, you know, it took me years to realize that whether I was or wasn't my wife, that I was.

00:39:10:14 - 00:39:10:22

Luna

Yeah.

00:39:10:22 - 00:39:31:10

Doc

So maybe I should tone it down, you know? So then I start actually paying attention to how I would say things or who I would say them to. Like, I guess if if she doesn't like it that way, I guess, then, you know, maybe I should change even though I don't see it, but it hurts her, so that's not really fair to her.

00:39:31:12 - 00:39:56:08

Luna

Well, in the you're prioritizing your connection in the relationship and I totally get it right. Like, I don't know if I'm flirting or being friendly half the time. And for me, I'm like, well, let's just see where it goes. I don't know is the outcome. If, you know, like I'm pretty open, are the circumstances logical? But, you know, as my favorite neuroscience podcast says, the Huberman Lab points out that in order for our brains to change and grow, we actually, as human beings, we have to make errors in order to be able to.

00:39:56:08 - 00:40:20:12

Luna

Correct. Right. You know, so we're finding that we're on and it's like we can't come out perfect. There's this idea of perfection or perfect or being a perfect person that I think is gifted to us by our society or culture or religion or whatever, whatever part of our background gives it to us, you know? And I think just what I hear in your story so far is like a real willingness to allow yourself to figure out what is actually needed and to grow.

00:40:20:12 - 00:40:38:08

Luna

And I think that is hot and really, really cool, especially when you're doing it with your partner who you're deeply connected to. So now I'd like to hear, either in general and or in the context of your relationship or partner, maybe now partners, what is sexy to you?

00:40:38:10 - 00:40:41:05

Doc

Girl, lingerie is fucking hot.

00:40:41:07 - 00:40:44:09

Luna

What kind of like I don't know. Or is it any lingerie?

00:40:44:11 - 00:40:55:19

Doc

No, I like I don't know what they're called, but, like, lacy bra. And I know the, like, a garter and panties and, tights. That stuff just get me every time.

00:40:56:00 - 00:41:00:16

Luna

Yeah. Same a good pair. Thigh highs on someone. I'm just like, ooh, yes.

00:41:00:18 - 00:41:02:14

Doc

You know. Yes. Absolutely.

00:41:02:16 - 00:41:19:09

Luna

Yeah, yeah. And I know that heels are not good for my body or really any bodies, but I think, like wearing them for a few minutes to be like to have that like sexy hip thing. I love that. Or like maybe a dinner. I don't really wear them out any more unless I have an audition, but, I totally feel what else?

00:41:19:09 - 00:41:21:16

Luna

What about qualities of a person?

00:41:21:18 - 00:41:46:00

Doc

Just the way they can show you? I love and attention. I guess it's it's it's really my my partner. She's. When I come home from work, you know, she'll run up and give me hugs and it's, it's, it's sexy to hear the tone of voice that she has when she interacts with me versus other people or, or kids or something.

00:41:46:00 - 00:42:09:00

Doc

You know, it's, you know, you can hear that difference where it's it's more of a, you know, unless it's a bad day or something. But it's it's a different tone to where it's more love and it's sexy and, you know, just a little leaning over when we're sitting next to each other on the couch and, you know, putting her shoulder into me or you know, just goofy little things or sexy to or taking one of those little remote controlled vibes and going out in public.

00:42:09:00 - 00:42:16:12

Doc

That's a good restaurant play with your phone like, hey, you're trying to drink your drink.

00:42:16:12 - 00:42:38:02

Luna

We we we we. Early on, you mentioned that when you guys started having sex, you then tried to have sex everywhere. Like, I think that was you said something along those lines. Can you share with us some of the places you've had sex and or even just fooled around for each other?

00:42:38:04 - 00:42:57:05

Doc

Pretty much everywhere. Well, we couldn't do it at her house because her parents and brother were there. I couldn't do it where I lived at the time, because one of my roommates would be there and according to our religion, we weren't supposed to be doing anything. So we would go, man, we would find anywhere to do it in my pickup.

00:42:57:05 - 00:43:22:03

Doc

Or I had the stupid little car that we would fold down the seats and do that. And then, you know, you always have to be that rebel and like, okay, we're going to do it out on the hood. I'm going to bend you over the hood or something. Go. Fewer people might see, but you know damn well if you see headlights, you're both going to scramble back into the car to actually to be seen, you know, it's kind of final each other at movie theaters.

00:43:22:05 - 00:43:42:03

Doc

There's a park here in town that we've gone that's got a whole bunch of trees around it. So we've gone down there and we've almost gotten busted by a cop there once. Oh, yeah, just honestly, everywhere we can find. And it's funny because she's like, you know, we haven't christened that room in our house yet, or we'll get new furniture or something.

00:43:42:05 - 00:43:47:22

Doc

So, like, you know, we haven't christened the new furniture yet. Real. Well, guess what we're doing tonight, baby.

00:43:48:00 - 00:44:03:08

Luna

But it's cool. I love that a woman after my own heart. You're also making me realize I've never been bent over the hood of a car. And I'm also stuck inside cars. But I don't think that one's even written on my bucket list. As if I need to add more stuff to it. But dang, I need to do that.

00:44:03:08 - 00:44:08:04

Luna

It's pretty good. It's like, hell yeah, you do hear that?

00:44:08:04 - 00:44:11:01

Doc

The tailgate of the pickup, you know, holds your top half up.

00:44:11:01 - 00:44:18:07

Luna

Well, I was going to say I haven't had that need because I was just like, I don't even in the back of a truck now. I mean, I've just been inside of cars.

00:44:18:07 - 00:44:21:00

Doc

Damn well. Works really.

00:44:21:00 - 00:44:24:06

Luna

Good. Yeah, yeah. Tell me, what works really good is.

00:44:24:07 - 00:44:30:16

Doc

Air mattresses fit really well in the boxes of pickups. We go parked up by the river somewhere and you're still on a bed.

00:44:30:18 - 00:44:45:10

Luna

Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God I haven't. No, no I have another new fantasy. Fuck doc. Okay. Now tell us, when do you feel sexiest?

00:44:45:12 - 00:44:54:19

Doc

I don't think I've ever even thought about that question. When I can see her face contort because she's having an orgasm. I guess.

00:44:54:21 - 00:44:57:18

Luna

That's a great answer.

00:44:57:20 - 00:45:03:00

Doc

You know? Okay, then you know, you're doing your job and you're doing it well. They're like, fuck yeah, I'm doing what I'm supposed to do.

00:45:03:02 - 00:45:04:00

Luna

That's so.

00:45:04:01 - 00:45:08:05

Doc

You know, the mirror sure isn't my friend. So it's not like I'm looking in the mirror.

00:45:08:07 - 00:45:14:14

Luna

Oh, interesting. Okay, okay, I hear that. What about. Have you ever looked in the mirror? Well, fucking.

00:45:14:16 - 00:45:15:10

Doc

Yeah.

00:45:15:12 - 00:45:16:11

Luna

Okay, I should say.

00:45:16:12 - 00:45:30:16

Doc

Yeah. Pretty hot, but it's still weird because you're, like, looking at yourself. You're looking at her and you're like, I should go to the gym. I'm taking my head away from what I should be doing here. This is.

00:45:30:16 - 00:45:49:07

Luna

Ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, that distraction is, for me, opposite of sexy, I think. Yeah, I think that's why sex is usually my favorite thing. Because I'm so present, and I. I too have been distracted by mirrors. But sometimes I mean, one most recently was in the context of like, oh shit, I can see myself about to be getting hit.

00:45:49:07 - 00:46:07:15

Luna

Like, I don't want to know when it's coming. You know, that's like a different distraction. Tell us, do you have a favorite thing or a few favorite things about sex? Like what's your favorite thing about sex?

00:46:07:17 - 00:46:26:23

Doc

I absolutely love when I can see her eyes roll back in her head. That is an fucking tastic. I love having anal with her because there's, like, a a deeper connection. And that's actually one of those things that whenever we play that's off limits for anybody else.

00:46:27:01 - 00:46:27:22

Luna

00:46:28:00 - 00:46:32:00

Doc

So that's just between her and I. So that's kind of one of those cool things.

00:46:32:02 - 00:46:32:11

Luna

Yeah.

00:46:32:16 - 00:46:49:02

Doc

I like watching her play with toys. That's pretty fun. That's it's like a whole nother level of enjoyment, I guess it's it's pretty cool to watch her just play and hear the sounds and watch her face and watch all of her move and bounce and.

00:46:49:04 - 00:46:49:22

Luna

Oh.

00:46:50:00 - 00:46:52:14

Doc

Reverse cowgirl. That's pretty fucking amazing too.

00:46:52:15 - 00:47:15:07

Luna

Oh yeah. Yeah, the view of that ass is pretty good. Yeah, it is yummy. I just recently got my own first strap on and have, you know, started using I don't have a girlfriend, but I'm like, oh my gosh, I now can experience that view of reverse cowgirl. I haven't yet, but like I'm very excited for that. I don't know, I mean I don't I haven't actually yeah.

00:47:15:09 - 00:47:23:09

Luna

Oh so many things to look for. So talk you're inspiring me. I would love to hear if you have any favorite things to receive.

00:47:23:11 - 00:47:25:04

Doc

I definitely getting blowjobs.

00:47:25:10 - 00:47:26:08

Luna

Yeah.

00:47:26:10 - 00:47:46:00

Doc

And it's it. Yeah. That's fantastic. Or when she rides me. Yeah. And I'll lay on the bed and she'll just hop on top and bounce away. And that's I love that. That's the whole view and everything you see and feel and yeah, you know, lean down and kiss her or, you know, suck her nipples or something while she's riding.

00:47:46:01 - 00:47:48:01

Doc

It's that is fantastic.

00:47:48:03 - 00:48:02:09

Luna

That's what I love that okay. So when it comes to sex, if you had to say, what do you think you are best at? And how did you get to be so good at it?

00:48:02:11 - 00:48:09:18

Doc

Well, getting my best at, man, I don't know. That's a weird question to ask. Kind of, I guess.

00:48:09:23 - 00:48:15:07

Luna

I know I love making people brag about themselves as my favorite.

00:48:15:09 - 00:48:41:09

Doc

Well, let's just take a shot here. I just I think I'm really good at intercourse. I think it's, you know, just throwing away and making her have. I mean, she can usually get 2 or 3 orgasms every time. And, sometimes I think our highest is six, so it's. And how I got there, I don't know, just her and I messing around, maybe watching a little bit of porn here and there and.

00:48:41:11 - 00:48:45:19

Doc

Yeah, just, I guess just doing it.

00:48:45:21 - 00:48:47:19

Luna

Practice makes better.

00:48:47:21 - 00:48:48:18

Doc

Absolutely.

00:48:48:23 - 00:48:59:17

Luna

Is she one of those lucky ladies? Like 30% of the population of pussy owners can come without, like, manual clitoral stimulation. Like she cum just on your cock.

00:48:59:18 - 00:49:00:16

Doc

Yeah.

00:49:00:18 - 00:49:03:17

Luna

Wow. Lucky lady.

00:49:03:19 - 00:49:16:00

Doc

I think though, she. It's so good for her because, you know, like I've read and watched different things about how to, you know, stimulate a woman with your fingers and they always talk about that spongy spot and that G-spot kind of thing, you know?

00:49:16:02 - 00:49:16:09

Luna

Yeah.

00:49:16:14 - 00:49:21:16

Doc

And it's pretty close to the opening. So I think she gets stimulated really well by that.

00:49:21:18 - 00:49:22:11

Luna

Yeah, yeah.

00:49:22:11 - 00:49:42:21

Doc

So yeah. But it was it's been weird because different times with through different kid births, there was a couple times where she wouldn't get there at all, you know. So it was I mean, it was kind of just mean she's like, no, it feels good. I love having sex, but I'm not going to come. So we're just, you know, whenever you're done, you're done.

00:49:42:23 - 00:50:14:14

Doc

Okay. But then in the last that I was in the last 5 or 6, maybe seven years, it's kind of changed the other way where she's especially since we've left the religion and just been more free and had less stress and happier. I mean, literally within 30 to 45 seconds, she'll come the first time and then it's it's actually kind of weird, too, because she'll come once or twice, maybe three times, but then she'll get so wet that I can't get there.

00:50:14:14 - 00:50:21:13

Doc

So we'll either have to switch up positions too many times, or I'll have to pull out and even like, wipe off, okay?

00:50:21:13 - 00:50:23:22

Luna

Because she's slippery for you to come. Yeah.

00:50:24:00 - 00:50:24:06

Doc

Yeah.

00:50:24:06 - 00:50:25:17

Luna

Wow. Okay.

00:50:25:19 - 00:50:36:01

Doc

Christian, I guess that's good. But then sometimes I'll get my head, which is so stupid because I'm like, oh my God, am I too dry? Am I going to hurt her because there's too much friction?

00:50:36:07 - 00:50:36:14

Luna

Yeah.

00:50:36:15 - 00:50:42:14

Doc

You know, and then she'll hurt tomorrow or later. But I don't know. I mean, sometimes it takes too long, but.

00:50:42:16 - 00:50:48:18

Luna

I hear that, well, too long for the time you have, I guess. Or too long for.

00:50:48:20 - 00:51:02:23

Doc

Just too long in the way that, you know, you're just kind of behind her banging away. And it's like, oh, Christ. Okay, we've we've had a good time. Let's, you know, wrap this up now, man. Come on. Let's. You okay.

00:51:03:00 - 00:51:30:01

Luna

Think I'm I totally get it. I also personally love being a little bit sore the next day. You know, obviously obviously we don't want to be destroyed. Obviously we do want to use lube so that we avoid too many micro terrors. Right. But like for me, when I'm out and about like at the grocery store and I'm like, oh, my pelvis is a little sore, you know, usually it's more like if I'm sitting down or coming up against something and I just like, feel that pulsing.

00:51:30:06 - 00:51:41:15

Luna

I guess if it's been a really intense session, I might just feel it out in the wild while I'm walking. Do you ever get sore from something like in those extended moments, like does your cock or pelvis pelvic bone ever get sore?

00:51:41:17 - 00:51:53:06

Doc

There's been a few times where I've gotten like a thigh cramp or something done. It means other the worse because you're, you know, mid stroke or so I was like, oh God, I got straighten my leg. This is ridiculous.

00:51:53:11 - 00:51:54:05

Luna

Dude.

00:51:54:07 - 00:52:04:08

Doc

Yeah, really. There's been I don't know, maybe a handful of times where it's like, oh geez, my cock kind of hurts today. Yeah. Like oh yeah, that's why maybe I shouldn't.

00:52:04:10 - 00:52:05:01

Luna

You know.

00:52:05:03 - 00:52:08:22

Doc

Stopped or something, you know. But no. Really. No.

00:52:09:00 - 00:52:30:06

Luna

Okay. That's so funny. Speaking of cramps, like, I've been traveling so much in the past month, like I've just been here. They're everywhere. And I'm lucky that I've also been able to fit sex into my life in all the travel. But I've been overall probably, like, more dehydrated than I'm used to. Just because I like my routine is different and so I have to wear like water comes from different places, or I have to have a bottle or whatever.

00:52:30:08 - 00:52:49:13

Luna

And so I've been getting cramps like I have never gotten before. Like if I point my toes, which I do a lot when I'm getting closer to coming, especially if I'm on top, and because I'm like very excited about, like my newfound ability to just like, fuck as long as I need to. I've noticed that, like, there have been moments where I'm like, oh, crap, that I just totally fell over.

00:52:49:13 - 00:52:55:03

Luna

Like one of those goats that, like, freezes and balls over. So I, I relate to that.

00:52:55:05 - 00:52:59:10

Doc

Take magnesium. Actually, that's a good tip for anybody that has cramps.

00:52:59:10 - 00:53:00:21

Luna

That's great.

00:53:00:23 - 00:53:13:00

Doc

And that's usually when I notice if I don't take anything, any supplements or anything, then I that's when I'll get some weird cramp or something. It's like, oh okay, I got it. I've been slacking.

00:53:13:00 - 00:53:36:10

Luna

So that is such a good reminder because I mean, that's the other thing is I love my magnesium here. And now that you've told me to do it now, I'll remember because I love getting told to do stuff. Okay, so zooming out a little bit, I am curious to talk about society a little bit, especially with your background in a religion that sounds like it was like, well, it sounds like it's like pro sex once you're married.

00:53:36:10 - 00:53:42:02

Luna

Or was it one of the like procreation only sex places like was? No. Once you're married, good. Okay.

00:53:42:02 - 00:53:56:20

Doc

But even there too, it's weird because, like, I guess in the 80s when I was younger, it was like, it couldn't do oral kind of thing, like I was married and prohibitive because somehow that was the devil's something, rather.

00:53:56:22 - 00:53:57:18

Luna

Okay.

00:53:57:20 - 00:54:10:02

Doc

And then I'm sure the same was with anal. I'm sure if they knew it or no, they'd be like, oh, God, that's horrible. You know, it's something wrong. But I don't know. I'm like, well, then why did God put all those nerve endings and make it feel so good? I guess, I don't know.

00:54:10:05 - 00:54:30:06

Luna

I like your logic. I really like your logic. So I guess you've kind of already told us, but is there anything else for you to say about, like how you think or understand societal norms, maybe even outside this church now that you're no longer part of it? Like, how have you felt societal norms affecting either your relationship and or your personal pleasure?

00:54:30:07 - 00:54:50:18

Doc

I think, society and as a whole, not as a whole, I don't I think other countries are more liberal about it, you know, especially just out in public with, you know, nudity more than Americans are. But I think people are just so I can't think of the word. But like, you shouldn't talk about it. You shouldn't think about it.

00:54:50:18 - 00:55:13:05

Doc

Like, keep that all inside, keep it repressed. Just I think there's far too much of that with society. But at the same time, which maybe it's because of where it comes from, I also think that it's it's pushed too much in the society where kids see it. I don't think kids need to really see it too much until until they're teenagers.

00:55:13:05 - 00:55:39:10

Doc

I mean, actually see it, I think I think parents should do way better job of talking to their kids and just being normal and open and saying, hey, this is your part. This is the boy part. Like, it's okay, it's normal. Like, okay, you might have these feelings. Maybe you don't. This is okay. That's okay. If you're horny, like it, just make it so.

00:55:39:10 - 00:55:57:21

Doc

It's not so shameful. I think society is so bad with that. We're making people just. You either hate it or you love it and you don't say anything about it, or it's just too extreme. There's no there's no middle ground anywhere where anybody can be happy. I guess.

00:55:57:23 - 00:56:19:16

Luna

So many confusing signals and especially. Yes, I mean, I think about how confused I was as a horny young person that didn't know what horniness meant, you know, and I only had access to so much information, and I can only imagine how confusing it is to have way more access to seeing things without necessarily more context or information about the meaning of those things.

00:56:19:16 - 00:56:38:13

Luna

So that's, that's why I, I always love, you know, I think you're providing great emotional context to your physical experiences, which is what I always strive for, because I think that helps us understand. And you know, how to make choices that are in line with our own needs and values, and then to discover boundaries and how to enforce them.

00:56:38:15 - 00:56:39:11

Doc

Yeah.

00:56:39:12 - 00:57:00:04

Luna

How about now, like in your life now? It sounds like you guys really are in this new era of freedom, but it also sounds like you're maybe still in relationships, family, ships, friendships where you don't, you know, it's not like you're out about every single detail, but maybe it sounds like you're making some new friends, even outside of this one couple that you've played with.

00:57:00:04 - 00:57:06:14

Luna

Like, how do you how do you figure out who and what to share? At what point?

00:57:06:16 - 00:57:22:23

Doc

I guess because of where I came from, I've always been it's it's funny because in their religion they call it a double life. You shouldn't have a double life because you know, that's you should only be serving God and, you know, all on one side.

00:57:23:01 - 00:57:23:09

Luna

00:57:23:11 - 00:57:45:17

Doc

And I've always been like, okay, well I have all of my friends over here that are normal, not religious people. And then I have this other group of people where I put on this show and I'm this good, you know, boy that nobody knows about. So I unfortunately I think it just comes natural to be like, okay, well, I'll say and do this around these people and I'll say and do this around these people.

00:57:45:17 - 00:57:57:02

Doc

And it's just, you know, the same thing with, like I said earlier, with kids, it's too many rules and regulations. You're going to make little rebellious people that sneak out and do the opposite, you know?

00:57:57:04 - 00:58:16:20

Luna

Yeah. Yeah. That's so interesting because it's like, I totally agree with the ethos of let's just live the way we are, right? Let's not lead a double life. But in order to do that, I need to live in a society that will accept me as I am. Right? Because like I, I believe that I am not inherently bad and wrong.

00:58:16:20 - 00:58:34:13

Luna

I think we have our desires to lead us through these phases of growth and to the people that we need to be. You know, that's kind of how I understand, God's plan, shall we say, like the old things. And yeah, I mean, you know, and I say that with a little bit of a joke, but I'm also just sort of like I do trust the divine unfolding.

00:58:34:13 - 00:58:55:12

Luna

And I do trust that when I follow my desires or what to me, feel like whispers from the universe, from creation, whatever. But these, like, strong feelings of curiosity, that gets me where I need to go, right? And so then I have to be around or put myself in situations where I'm allowed to, like, express my actual self.

00:58:55:14 - 00:59:04:06

Luna

So I get that. Do you do you ever feel crinkly about like hiding parts, or is it just it sounds like it's normal to you, but do wish it was different.

00:59:04:08 - 00:59:14:08

Doc

I wish it was different a little bit, but yeah, I guess at the same time, I guess it's just my love and respect for other people that if if they don't feel this way.

00:59:14:10 - 00:59:14:18

Luna

Yeah.

00:59:14:21 - 00:59:36:15

Doc

Then I don't need to be the one that is pushing anything or like, oh, this is what we're doing. You need to accept us. Like, yeah, you're perfectly fine. And doing whatever you want. I'm perfectly fine being friends and happy and whatever with you, and I don't need to, you know, and then with the other people, if they're more open to it, then there we go.

00:59:36:15 - 00:59:54:22

Doc

You know, I have different friends that, you know, like doing different things. So I don't think it's any different. I mean, if one friend likes being artistic, then I'll be artistic with them. I don't need to, you know, like, well, maybe if you added a motor to it or, you know, you stuck a building on it or something, you know, that'd be really cool, you know?

00:59:54:22 - 01:00:00:04

Doc

So you just can't. Let's just respect that other people and how they are and what they believe.

01:00:00:04 - 01:00:19:18

Luna

So yeah. Yeah, I love that. I feel like in some ways I'm just learning that level of wisdom in a specific, nuanced way. Kind of like even for me, it's as simple as like instead of asking four or 5 or 6 questions to kind of like drill down on the thing, I really want to know when I'm getting vague answers, be like, oh, they don't want to go there, you know?

01:00:19:18 - 01:00:47:15

Luna

And just kind of like stepping back and allowing space. Like that's something, you know, because I've been like, why am I exploding people? I'm just trying to have honest conversation. So I don't live a double life because I read about that, you know? And so I'm only only in the past few months. I'm understanding how in some ways, if I poke people like that, not realizing I'm poking right, I never try to poke on purpose, but it's like it's my own desire to control or something that I'm, you know, not it's it's almost a lack of respect.

01:00:47:15 - 01:01:12:21

Luna

And when I hear you talk, I'm like, he has the wisdom to just go with the flow in these places. So that's cool. As you reflect on this kind of new era in your life where you and your partner are, you know, open to exploring together with other people. What criteria are you kind of filtering with, or what do you need to feel excited about connecting with new people?

01:01:13:01 - 01:01:24:09

Luna

It sounds like a couple explorations are the thing. For you in particular, although you're you're cool with her having a girlfriend, but is that a one way thing? Like you don't? Do you feel a desire to go find a girlfriend or anything like that?

01:01:24:11 - 01:01:32:09

Doc

Not really, I guess because she's still coming home to me and she might be bringing her girlfriend with. So I don't see a need.

01:01:32:09 - 01:01:36:08

Luna

It sounds like I want to be there for that. Yeah, yeah, I right.

01:01:36:10 - 01:01:39:10

Doc

I'll sit in a corner and a chair and watch if you're on stream.

01:01:39:15 - 01:01:42:06

Luna

Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.

01:01:42:06 - 01:01:50:16

Doc

Not really I guess it's. And she's also said that she doesn't really want me to do that. So. Yeah. Whatever, I don't care. It's all good.

01:01:50:20 - 01:01:59:07

Luna

Yeah, yeah. What about when you guys are looking for, like, new potential couples to play with? It sounds like obviously they have to respect your relationship first and foremost.

01:01:59:09 - 01:02:04:01

Doc

Yeah, yeah. Not too much, because that's really new.

01:02:04:06 - 01:02:04:19

Luna

Yeah.

01:02:04:21 - 01:02:10:13

Doc

I don't know about because the one couple that we are with that just kind of fell into place.

01:02:10:13 - 01:02:11:12

Luna

I love the.

01:02:11:13 - 01:02:32:21

Doc

Conversation and it's just like it wasn't expected and it wasn't really looking at just like through her and his conversations, it just kind of like, hey, hey, that's an idea. I guess we could. What do you think? Like, yeah, let's. Why not? Let's give it a whirl, you know, and just kind of. So. Yeah.

01:02:32:23 - 01:02:38:16

Luna

Are there any turn ons or turn off that you have that we haven't heard about? Yeah.

01:02:38:18 - 01:02:47:17

Doc

Maybe she had a big old dip in her lip. That'd be kind of not hot, but otherwise I and well, drug use like hard drugs. But I'm not into that.

01:02:47:19 - 01:02:48:12

Luna

Yeah.

01:02:48:14 - 01:02:51:06

Doc

I don't honestly know anything about them.

01:02:51:08 - 01:02:51:17

Luna

Yeah.

01:02:51:17 - 01:03:15:22

Doc

So, there again, I mean, like, maybe like cocaine crack, like that kind of stuff, but I don't really know anything about mushrooms or acid or like, that couple that we were with, Ed said something about, MDMA was amazing. I was like, okay, I guess I'd try it. I don't know, I not, you know, I, I'm not the biggest fan of marijuana.

01:03:15:22 - 01:03:30:07

Doc

I've heard. It's awesome for a lot of people, but I've seen it have really bad effects on some of my friends and one of my best friends brothers. I mean, it, he smoked it all the time and that kid is just an idiot. Like it turned him so dumb.

01:03:30:09 - 01:03:30:15

Luna

Yeah.

01:03:30:20 - 01:03:44:08

Doc

That's so I mean, I've I've tried it a couple times and the feeling I had after it didn't is I really couldn't. I don't want to try it again. But, you know, it's just me I don't know. I don't care what you do if that makes you happy.

01:03:44:08 - 01:04:02:13

Luna

But yeah, I mean, we all have to figure out what's best for our bodies and our needs, right? I think there is this myth that, you know, especially since, like Leslie, I live in California. So people are like, well, it's better than alcohol. Well, it's natural, it's this. Well, it's actually like, not because the weed that they grow here is way higher levels of THC.

01:04:02:13 - 01:04:21:20

Luna

And Huberman lab has a great episode on marijuana and the effects, and there are tons of studies that show that, especially when we start at younger and younger ages, it does mess with neuroplasticity and then it can fuck with our endogenous cannabinoid system. So for some people, long term use, they get higher anxiety. And it's it's smaller doses than we think.

01:04:21:20 - 01:04:43:10

Luna

And I've gone through phases where I was like a little more leaning towards stoner and was having like some of the fun, just like body feelings. And then I was like, oh yeah, but actually I really like sober sex. So I totally hear that. Any other turn offs like physical just like spots or squiggly on your body or like sensitive spots or like what are your balls like, etc..

01:04:43:12 - 01:04:47:18

Doc

So first my the first thing is you can't touch my belly button.

01:04:47:23 - 01:04:49:11

Luna

Like I can't.

01:04:49:11 - 01:04:50:13

Doc

Even get close to.

01:04:50:13 - 01:04:54:02

Luna

It. Really? What is there? What's your reason?

01:04:54:04 - 01:05:12:17

Doc

It it like hurt, tickles and it's so extreme. It's just like, no, like my wife will put her hand on my stomach. Yeah. And she'll just, like, creep her fingers close to it, but nope nope, nope. I'm like, start laughing. And it's like this weird, like, tickle hurt thing, and I just can't handle it.

01:05:12:18 - 01:05:13:21

Luna

Okay.

01:05:13:23 - 01:05:29:03

Doc

And then I guess, like, my balls are weird. I guess you're asking because, like, you feel really good to be held and sucked, but then there's, like, this really fine line where, oh, my God, it hurts a lot. So stop I don't know.

01:05:29:05 - 01:05:37:10

Luna

Oh I totally get that. I mean my body has those sensitive spots too. Have you ever had your belly button ever gotten like licked like like.

01:05:37:12 - 01:05:39:16

Doc

Oh God no you're not getting close to my belly.

01:05:39:18 - 01:05:58:16

Luna

Okay. No. Because I'm, I'm very sensitive. And if any of you like listen to the episode where I interviewed Sherry Davila, who is an adult performer. Like, I like, had like, a big, strong. She loves belly button and she loves, like, introducing people to belly buttons. And I like I think about that episode a lot because I'm like, it's so sensitive.

01:05:58:16 - 01:06:08:22

Luna

But maybe if a physical therapist slash porn star, we're showing me, I don't know, I might try it, but I hear you, I hear you on the belly button thing. Have you has it always been sensitive and I.

01:06:09:01 - 01:06:10:19

Doc

Yeah, I think so.

01:06:11:00 - 01:06:11:07

Luna

Okay.

01:06:11:09 - 01:06:20:08

Doc

As long as I didn't notice it until my wife and I were together. Because I had no reason to, you know, I guess you'd look and get Linda. I mean, every once in a while.

01:06:20:08 - 01:06:22:12

Luna

But ultimately, probably.

01:06:22:13 - 01:06:26:05

Doc

I don't need to look or touch this thing. I guess.

01:06:26:07 - 01:06:34:03

Luna

Do you have any other favorite, like, sensations or toys or any, like, kinks or fetishes we haven't talked about?

01:06:34:05 - 01:06:37:00

Doc

I think I'd like to try a little Bdsm.

01:06:37:01 - 01:06:37:12

Luna

01:06:37:12 - 01:06:40:02

Doc

I think I'm also a little masochistic, honestly.

01:06:40:06 - 01:06:40:15

Luna

Okay.

01:06:40:19 - 01:06:58:12

Doc

Because I kind of like pain, but I don't know if I'd like it sexually. Because I've never tried it. I'd be up for it. Yeah. It's okay. Is this the thing with you? Because I've asked people and when I get a bruise, I like to push on it because it hurts really good. Like hurts good.

01:06:58:14 - 01:06:59:04

Luna

I'm not.

01:06:59:04 - 01:07:03:07

Doc

Other people look like I'm a complete weirdo. Like, oh, okay.

01:07:03:09 - 01:07:28:07

Luna

No, I don't poke on my bruises. But I do admire them. But I know several other people who love poking their own bruises. I think I have a specific, definitely irrational fear that I'm going to, like, hurt myself worse. It's it's just not satisfying to me. However, if I have, like, a bite mark or something like that, I will, like, trace it or sort of like, you know, poke on it.

01:07:28:09 - 01:07:33:21

Luna

I love that bump that you poke your bruise. Is it only sex bruises, or is it any bruise?

01:07:33:23 - 01:07:36:18

Doc

All of them. Like, I have one right here on my chest for me.

01:07:36:18 - 01:07:37:11

Luna

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

01:07:37:12 - 01:07:45:20

Doc

We're moving into our house last night, and it kind of landed on me right here. So it's all day. I'm just like, oh, that's kind of. I like that.

01:07:45:23 - 01:08:02:23

Luna

Hurts, but feels interesting. So even without seeing it, you're poking it. Yeah. Yeah. You might like. Okay. If you had to just noodle or guess or wonder about it. Like, what sort of pain might you be attracted to if if you have an answer at all?

01:08:03:01 - 01:08:07:09

Doc

I honestly don't know. I don't know what kind of pain there is or would be.

01:08:07:11 - 01:08:29:14

Luna

Okay, well, I'll give you a few examples and you can tell me. So okay. So there are like stinging sensations which can come, you know, they're like kind of a sharper, more intense, usually a smaller point of pressure. So think like a single tail, whip canes, tiny switches, like very skinny things. So those will often leave, like flash marks or like those ones are really.

01:08:29:18 - 01:08:51:14

Luna

They can be really intense. There's also, more study things. So like bigger vloggers, kind of create this like deep thud sensation. It can be like nice to warm up, but then you can get like really, really hard hits. Paddles. I experience as kind of a mixture of the two of those because it's like the intensity of a third, but with the sharpness of the sting, and that's how I experience it.

01:08:51:16 - 01:08:54:11

Luna

Like, do any of those appeal to you so far?

01:08:54:12 - 01:08:58:05

Doc

I don't know that I'd be attracted to being dominated like that.

01:08:58:07 - 01:09:07:05

Luna

What if it's not? What if it's not in a dominant context? What if it's just, like a sensory potpourri smorgasbord?

01:09:07:07 - 01:09:08:23

Doc

I guess the whip sounds interesting.

01:09:09:04 - 01:09:10:23

Luna

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

01:09:10:23 - 01:09:14:12

Doc

Thought it was. What? What do you mean, exactly? Like by flogging. What is.

01:09:14:14 - 01:09:33:02

Luna

A longer is technically a type of whip, but it's the one with, like, lots of tassels, and so it can have different thicknesses. So I got hit by one at Kink Fest. It was literally like like the tassel part was this big or it was like bigger than my head around. And then the handle itself was like, I'm holding up a coffee mug.

01:09:33:02 - 01:09:46:15

Luna

And it was like maybe half as like almost, I don't know, maybe like three quarters as thick as this mug. So it was a big that was like the biggest one I've ever seen. It was like very extreme. And I was like, I do want to try that, you know, it's like, got one thud and it like, poofed my whole body forward.

01:09:46:17 - 01:10:14:18

Luna

The ones that are more regular in medium often they feel to me like, I guess it's like I'm going through a car wash. It's how I would imagine the cars feel in a car wash, like it's not hurting me, but it's kind of just like massaging. But if you get hit for a long time, harder and harder, frequencies, intensities, you know, you can bruise, but it's, if, if I'm warmed up correctly, for me, it's a really, really yummy sensation.

01:10:14:18 - 01:10:31:20

Luna

Now, if you have a flogger with all the tassels that are much skinnier, that'll be a sting. Your kind of sharper sensation. And that's why. That's why I always recommend if people are, like, looking at shopping for new toys, you know, go to a place like either an expo convention or a toy shop where you can try them out.

01:10:31:22 - 01:10:34:16

Doc

Cool. That one sounds kind of intriguing. That might be fun.

01:10:34:21 - 01:10:56:18

Luna

Yeah, I think foggers are a great, great thing to start with personally. But I'm also biased. They're one of my favorites. Like, I'm terrified of kittens. I really like them, but I think they're so intense. Just because they can, you can really crack stuff with them. You know, and then and then there's all kinds of other other crazy big, you know, things with spikes, things with all sorts of stuff I haven't gotten into just yet.

01:10:56:20 - 01:11:01:04

Luna

What about like, electro play? Would you ever want to get zapped just to see what it feels like?

01:11:01:06 - 01:11:01:20

Doc

Sure.

01:11:01:22 - 01:11:02:09

Luna

Yeah.

01:11:02:11 - 01:11:03:06

Doc

Yeah.

01:11:03:07 - 01:11:22:17

Luna

I'm a big fan of that. Yeah. And electric play is cool because yes. I have a neon wand, which there's a neon wand, there's a violet one. There's like different types of white, like solid state. And I forget what the other one is called, not solid state. That makes different, you know, different kind of zap you. But there's a thing I have that, I put on my hip.

01:11:22:17 - 01:11:39:03

Luna

So it's like, connected to the thing that makes the zap. You put it on your hip, and now I'm the conductor, so I can even use my fingertip to go across someone and do little zaps. Or if I were to grab a metal butter knife that can feel like knife play, but in a safe way where you're never going to break skin, right?

01:11:39:03 - 01:11:57:08

Luna

So it feels like you're getting slashed because it's zappy. And it's a small, you know, but I'm not getting zapped. I'm just like, zapping my partner. I also really like electric play, because if I'm in a dark situation, I just love, you know, or low light doesn't have to be totally dark. I love seeing the zap. I love watching myself get zapped.

01:11:57:10 - 01:12:23:19

Luna

You know, and I and I'm, I recently got into a friend let me borrow a toy last year that was like, like an internal vibrator, but it had, like, the electric current on the part that goes inside, and that was like, oh, it was intense, but I really liked it. It was almost like, it's going to sound gross when I say this, because it was kind of like, almost like fucking pine needles putting it in, which sounds gross, but it was like once it was in, it was really intense.

01:12:23:19 - 01:12:28:12

Luna

I don't know, was I really like the sensation? So I might I might have to get one of those at some point.

01:12:28:14 - 01:12:35:06

Doc

That sounds interesting. I always wondered, because you see those dildos with like the like the fins or like the, the things that stick out.

01:12:35:06 - 01:12:36:09

Luna

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

01:12:36:09 - 01:12:39:09

Doc

Jesus, doesn't that hurt? I don't know, but like.

01:12:39:11 - 01:12:41:07

Luna

There's so many different kinds, you know?

01:12:41:07 - 01:12:42:02

Doc

Good.

01:12:42:04 - 01:13:00:19

Luna

I mean, it's different things for different people, right? And like when you were talking earlier about, I mean, I know this is in the context of people, but just like lining up, I love the idea of, like, lining up toys, lining up people with different cocks or pussy sizes, like lining up. I love, like lining up stuff or just seeing what happens, you know, not punishing people for sticking their butts out.

01:13:00:19 - 01:13:23:01

Luna

But just I mean, unless that was the goal of the scene, not. Yeah, right. Your situation. Oh, actually, that could be a fun roleplay to do based on that scenario. Like, okay kids, I found that, I mean, obviously in the context of we're doing a role play, you know, but like I found a Playboy who's responsible. You know, the thing, you've got to figure out who the naughty, naughty instigator was.

01:13:23:03 - 01:13:30:00

Luna

There you go. Any anything else that you want to try? Like anything else on your erotic and or creative bucket list?

01:13:30:02 - 01:13:38:23

Doc

So my wife would like me to build a bed with, like, the the headboard that is, what's it called? Where your head goes through the boards and your arms. Your arms.

01:13:38:23 - 01:13:45:13

Luna

In there? Yeah, you kind of thing. Manacles. Yeah. Fuck, yeah. Like stocks are stuck. Oh, wow.

01:13:45:15 - 01:13:48:05

Doc

Better sex sewing. I think that'd be pretty. That'd be fun.

01:13:48:06 - 01:14:06:18

Luna

Tell them both. Also, I was recently talking to someone that was mentioning how helpful it is to have, you know, okay, so you have the head of your bed, but between the head of the bed and the wall, there's like a little shelf. So you can like have all your lube or toys or whatever. Like easy access is sort of like reaching over to the bedside table or just having them, like, fall around in.

01:14:06:23 - 01:14:12:20

Luna

So I don't know if that would fit into your stocks. Maybe there's space to build a little animal cage in there. I'm a big fan of.

01:14:13:02 - 01:14:15:03

Doc

Our kids and grandkids come over, so it's got to be.

01:14:15:05 - 01:14:19:08

Luna

Oh, you got it. You got to make it really, really, really discreet.

01:14:19:10 - 01:14:26:02

Doc

When I when I built our bed, it's got four shelves on each side. So like her grandmother on one of mine on that side. So I.

01:14:26:02 - 01:14:26:15

Luna

Love that.

01:14:26:16 - 01:14:31:01

Doc

Just pull herself out or her drawer out. And that's where all the toys and lubes and stuff.

01:14:31:03 - 01:14:35:22

Luna

I love that. So I could build anything. Yeah.