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71 cis male, he/him pronouns, monogamous, married 36 years, physician, sexologist, orgasm advocate, horse rider, founder CEO of FirmTech, from Montana

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Luna

Our guest today is a 71 year old, 36 year monogamous, married physician, sexologist and orgasm advocate who will admit to being lustful and a little kinky. A passionate horse rider from Montana, whose occasional delusions that he is a centaur led him to getting involved with sex tech. He is the founder, CEO and inventor of tech Ring, the world's first monitor of male sexual health.

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Luna

A cock ring that provides life changing data and increases pleasure by helping wearers assess their heart on health while they sleep. Improving confidence both in the bedroom and in their lifestyle choices. And he is in the process of publishing data that illustrates that a ring is more effective than just taking a pill for your heart on. He's also the developer of the critique, which will be coming out next year, the world's first tracker of clitoral health.

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Luna

Welcome, doctor Elliot. Justin.

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Elliot

Thank you. That's a great introduction. Thank you.

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Luna

Well, thank you for doing all these cool things. I'm so excited to talk to you. Could you please, just because I like to get a baseline with people on this podcast. Start out by rating yourself on a sexual shame meter. If ten is the most full of sexual shame and zero is a. I don't even have that. Where do you fall today and when?

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Luna

If ever do you find yourself on a squiggly shame meter coaster? Mute business scenarios? I don't know, just tell us a little.

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Elliot

Bit about you know you can't shame the shameless.

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Luna

I love that.

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Elliot

I get seconds away from my wife was in the room. She's a marketing director and my sense of shame. On 110 scale zero who?

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Luna

I haven't always been a zero. Or is that something that you came to over the course of your life?

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Elliot

It started early. I mean, I don't think many physicians have the experience of having their mothers take them to urologist twice when they were teenagers, whether or not the patient had it. So she thought I wouldn't get to college. And this is way back for your boy. And this has been 1950s. You know, my my reaction to that, to her concerns were defiance.

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Elliot

So I'd say I probably been shameless for a long time. Wow.

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Luna

Okay. If you would I would love for you to tell us your professional origin story. So you have created a pleasure device that helps people discover early warning signs of heart attack or stroke with their cock. So please, I would love to hear like how did you end up doing the work that you do? And like, how would you say you're making the world a sexier, more loving place?

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Elliot

Well, I start I really started really started in medical school. So this would be back in 1975, first in medical school. I looked around and thought, these are not my people. Okay? So I went to the medical library to sporting diversity. Looked up aphrodisiacs in the Index Medicus, which is like an encyclopedia of medicine. And there wasn't exactly a line of other medical students behind me.

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Elliot

I was alone, and, you know, it was things. In fact, they're being recommended. They don't work things like a fondant wonder macaroon, you know, and you know, these, they're they're bunch of horrible things. There's really nothing. Really nothing. It was always in, in the back of my mind, and I was I just said, I have this illusion that I'm a centaur.

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Elliot

In 2015, I was on Trixie, show with my favorite quarter horse, and she is kind of like a living dirt pie. And we were going recklessly fast on a trail in Paradise Valley. And that's what I did, by the way, Paradise. Paradise really exists. It's very much in the U.S., you know.

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Luna

There's one in California. Two. But then it burned down.

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Elliot

So, yeah, it did burn down. You're right. So I know I knocked a tree over with my chest broke six ribs and six vertebrae. And that was very painful. And, but fortunately, I performed something which I'll share with your readers, your listeners rather, because. So they're mostly men. It's called the cock up sign. I've been trying to promulgate this in medicine since, but since the 1980s, unsuccessfully.

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Elliot

But what does it mean to have a cock ups on working men and women? Do you think your cord is intact because you've been in a car accident? You're skiing or biking can cock up your big toe. You be able to defecate, urinate, and fornicate. The big three. So I was in a lot of pain. My back was broken, but I was.

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Elliot

I knew my spinal cord was intact and it got me thinking, what's been done to rehabilitate men or women for that matter, who suffered spinal cord injuries? Maybe I'll be rehabilitated. This the sexual health. And they were, 5 or 6 papers in the medical literature. And it is striking to me that we call it the medical literature, the research, because a lot of it is fiction, as we all know, after Covid.

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Elliot

Anyway, there were these 5 or 6 papers and and they most of them evolved platinum electrode cool neuromodulation by the cavernous nerve. Everyone's favorite nerve the no one's heard about. So a paradigm for neuromodulation is called pacemaker. And what we all know that chronic pacemakers, we in medicine have been able to pace the heart and injured heart since the 50s.

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Elliot

So I thought it would have been profound if we could actually pace human sexuality. Think about the benefits for an aging population. If you could do that, think about the benefits. People who are disabled. Yeah. So this became a personal science project. So I got two Rams in a lab, California and Ramey Manship, and we, male sheep.

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Elliot

And we placed electrodes either by the cavernous nerve and by the prudential nerve, and we got erection, ejaculation. But we also got defecation, urination. So it wasn't exactly bedroom friendly, maybe in some people's bedrooms and, right. So Cisco or Provincetown or specific advice. Yeah, but not not for most people's bedrooms. I will I was looking to have for pool replication, so I gave it up.

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Elliot

I called the project. So for obvious reasons, they didn't publish it because no one publishes negative studies. So background person as a doctor and you should have a heart attack or stroke. There are a few emerges a concern a man as much as a limb. Yeah, maybe onto concerns of even more than a heart attack. And I left emergency medicine in 2015 to do medical technology, especially remote patient management.

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Elliot

I was interested in what how can people take care of themselves at home as comprehensively as possible without secondary gain of money? That motivates physicians and in their practices? Yes. And a, there was another doctor I was working with on a project for managing people at the stroke at home at the University of Utah, and he was on a ski lift with another doctor, the urologist Doc James Hotel, who's now my chief medical officer, and he told him about this, you know, eccentric doctor in Montana who tried to neuromodulators erections and maybe you could help him with his project.

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Elliot

So it's his project. You want to count the number of natural resources that men have while they're sleeping. And I thought, what the fuck for what? What? Why don't we care? And we don't know about morning. Would we laugh about it? And for what? Why do we care? You know? So he explained to me, going back to medical literature with these papers.

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Elliot

Much better that there were 10 to 12 papers indicating that a man who, has declined nocturnal erections is at risk for a heart attack or stroke is predictive. Now leading indicator medicines a really strong statement. Yeah. We treat things on the basis of associations in medicine. So high blood pressure doesn't predict that you get a heart attack or stroke.

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Elliot

But it it's associated strongly. But if man goes from financial erections down to one that matters a cardiovascular problem or medication side effect until proven otherwise. So this really excited me. This was this was this would be like a six little song. And and also profoundly motivating one because I'm know whether we have a smartwatch or small rain.

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Elliot

But many men too many women do too. Yeah. And what what a man. More about how many steps they took yesterday or their dick. And that's, you know, the end. The answer is obvious. They care more about the erections, about it, about anything else. So I so that so that's how I got involved in his idea was to embed sensors into a condom ring.

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Elliot

And I said, that's a good idea because condoms tear. Yeah. And also want let's not limit ourselves to nocturnal erections. Let's count all erections. That's what men care more about the rest than having a night or the rest while having men having sex. So our device can be worn during sex and overnight. And it'll give people vital data about the kind of vascular health medication they take.

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Elliot

The impact of alcohol, recreational drugs, diet, softness, exercise. Something makes this whole world of of human sexuality some of that stuff more objective because we live in a very fuzzy world. But, you know, you know, if I were to go to a career, I'm 71 years old, I would go to cardiologists and tell them I have chest pain.

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Elliot

And you just felt my pulse and gave me something. Jackson, I would think, what the fuck is 1900? I want I want to see the angiogram. What blood tests? The one that's quote around, but the stress test to listen to normal. And that's what urologists are about. Male sexuality. I'll to what I call quality. They just give problem take a pill.

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Elliot

The pill doesn't work well you know you getting older blah blah blah. You know or you know, maybe it's maybe it's the relationship, but they don't have a way of actually objectively assessing anything. So, so a man or woman got a Roger, an ecologist. They, they can wave it by, Doppler, not watch that machine over the penis, the clitoris in the office.

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Elliot

But people don't know what's going on at home.

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Luna

Yeah, it's a completely different circumstances.

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Elliot

I don't, I know what I was. I go to you religiously, and, a male nurse with hair in the back of his hand, applies cold gel to my penis. And an ultrasound probe follows. I think it turned on. It's not. It's not at all like what's happened. But you know what's happening. So we our devices are all meant to be used at home in privacy.

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Elliot

And people could do with that data what they want. Not. I can't legally claim that our devices are diagnostic, but they are profoundly, probably valuable diagnostic aid.

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Luna

I have so many questions for you. Where should I start? I would like to hear first, you mentioned, you know, kind of the average number of nocturnal erections that is quote unquote, in the normal range. It sounds like it's five ish and it's,

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Elliot

Three to 3 to 5.

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Luna

Okay, okay. And so this wearable device, people can wear it at night or penis owners can wear it at night. Can you describe a little bit about what it feels like, the unique design, which I think is super fucking cool. And then size wise, does it fit all penises? Because I hear from a lot of people who are concerned that they're too small or too large or too medium.

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Luna

And so I would just, can you dress some of those things for us and just give us some specifics?

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Elliot

But let me start with the first statement. I don't really like the phrase penis owner. I know it's quote on, well, my wife owns my penis. I don't own it. And.

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Luna

That gets to my next question, but okay. Sure. Penis.

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Elliot

So I was born. I was born with this. However, it's not that I like born or whatever. I'm just joking. And I know why. It's the way that phrase is used, but it always makes me laugh when I hear it because I hear from my wife pretty much every night that she owns my penis. So, and that's how it should be for the,

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Elliot

Anyway, how's it feel? Both. You know, most comprehensive of what? Silicone. They're uncomfortable. Silicone is an irritating material to the skin. And women know this. You know, they want. You know, I can't tell how busty you are, but women who wear bras that that they that they that they really need their skin or taste them afterwards.

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Luna

I don't like wearing broth.

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Elliot

Yeah. And then if.

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Luna

I don't wear a bra, then I get the sweat underneath. So it's, you know, trade offs.

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Elliot

Right. Well, what I would say the probably half of the heterosexual sex in committed relationship or marriage starts when a guy's scratching his wife's back at night, when when she takes off a bra. And that's actually how I got the idea for this, because this closes with a hook. A broad opens to close the window and put on bras over their head.

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Elliot

They open to close the hooks. Easy on, easier. So I is not made of hot silicone. They matter. Very very soft. The last two.

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Luna

Yeah.

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Elliot

Spongy compromises are the metal. Silicone. They're uncomfortable. You have to have an erection for erection. Really? For nothing. Most effective because of the chokehold in the penis. It's cutting off the arterial circulation. If it was a chocolate chocolate dick, no one.

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Luna

And then after they come, then it's like I got to get it off now. Especially if it's Brady.

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Elliot

It's like you've been doing your experience that because you want off, a man wants it off right away. My wife is a laughing through a little dance by the side of the bed, trying to dig my fingers that snap off. Well, I'm the helper.

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Luna

I'm like, I got you, babe. But like like if I know because I really, I really like them like. And I've, I've had. Okay. Can I tell you a little cock ring story? Go ahead. The first time I was so excited because I'm a, I'm a sensation seeker. And I love novelty and I love devices, you know, I love things like this.

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Luna

I'm a camera nerd, etc., but I got a vibrating cock ring and I was so excited because I was going on a date with a guy who was pretty open minded, and I brought him over and I was like, here, look at my new toy. And I had it on this shelf that also had my grandfather's ashes in a jar.

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Luna

And so I broke his jar of ashes, reaching for the vibrating, conquering the first time I ever went to use it. And we did not end up using it that night, because then I felt weird and there was a hole, you know? But so that is what that is now what I associate with vibrating cock rings. But then when we did eventually use it, you know, it's the kind where, like the little vibrator is on top.

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Luna

And for him I was like, well, I want it this direction because I want you to hit my parts. And I really, really, really liked it. But he was like, I tried it. I never want to do it again because the experience was just so difficult. Yeah.

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Elliot

And I'll share with you the one that was the two type. So I'll cock up. So the all conquering is just designed to not block the actual flow in with all the constraint of minutes return. So I'll talk about this for hours. So who wants to have sex for 20 and 30 minutes? And men will diabetes and hypertension for them to quit talking almost 20 minutes to actually endanger the circulation of the penis.

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Elliot

So it was in order to come up with a way to count the number of actual rectums, I had to reinvent the coffin so there could be one overnight and that. And then once I put the hook in it and it goes in the loop like that. Yeah. That means it can be tightened. So if.

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Luna

I would put it around the balls to right or.

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Elliot

Okay, but what's always got to the carrot? That's me of course. And the balls right. The balls drop in. Yeah. And then you hook it and there it is.

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Luna

Okay. Oof! Yeah. And then and there is a vibrating option too, right. Because I like the vibrating.

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Elliot

This this does not vibrate.

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Luna

As a companion piece. Sorry. Yeah I'm asking too many questions.

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Elliot

Ahead of time. Yeah. No, you're not okay. No. What's it. What's in here? There's a there's a computer chip. The data. There's a battery and there's and there's a Bluetooth antenna. Now, the Bluetooth is what's on the body. The Bluetooth is off because there are people concerned about the radiation on the phone as fucking radiation I know.

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Luna

Yeah. You know what? I'm like. And you keep it in your pocket.

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Elliot

Right. So we respect we respect that. Yeah. It's also because of the box a little bit raised. We have quite a few women who do what they like it because it's covered with a little bit of lube. As women get older, it's, you know, rubbing clit on pubic bone is not as sexy at age 40 or 50 or 60 or 70 as it is when, when you're young.

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Elliot

So that's how it's used. But really a vibrator, it's coming out in August called duet, okay. And it slides on and off the ring. The vibrate, the vibrate you described earlier. Well, most women the in the wrong position because the clitoris, the clearance is on average is 3.5cm away from the base across of the penis.

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Luna

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Elliot

So having to have a vibrator in the ring itself or very close to the ring itself, it's in the wrong, it's the wrong space.

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Luna

Yeah. Or you have to like squish them and find the angle. And then it's only grinding and they want to do more thrusting and it's like yeah.

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Elliot

It's probably just not what I want. I'm not. Ideally, the woman's on top of the control in order to use the device effectively. So okay. We need a mod like why why why why not playing around with the vibrator? It was most effective when she was on top because, because to your point, if I'm on top, she doesn't necessarily get the sensation that she wants.

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Elliot

And guys need to be able to smarter about that, you know. But but they're not. So it's easy. Put the woman on top.

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Luna

Sure, sure. Well, you a cock ring can't address the emotional elements of a human connection. But that's it's that's a different question I want to ask you about.

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Elliot

The raid, but the but the ring are actually off. I reckon we split on it all. Once we open up Cochran, we now can slide things on and off it.

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Luna

I love that.

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Elliot

So that's kind of cool. So the ring I've used for masturbating, my wife has as well too. It can be used solo. It can be used, with non penetrative sex with a partner. Yeah. Or it can be or it could be free of sex if that's what. You know what one desires. So our rings are soft, comfortable.

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Elliot

They can be worn for protracted periods of time. And I speak to our customers. And I know for myself it's it's changed the way in which we make love. Because a ring makes a man and his partner more confident because a ring keeps them at heart. So the most common male problem is if you can't, I guess if you can't take an erection, let me see a doctor.

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Elliot

Most men's promise that can sustain erection if they have a problem. And that could be you with someone new when you're anxious. Or it could be that, you been drinking or. Yeah. Hey, maybe it's not too much powder. Or it could be. It could be diseases, diabetes, hypertension due to medication as well, too. So if you have a ring on, it doesn't block the actual flow.

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Elliot

And as blood goes in the ring but you know holds it in place, it it addresses issues of distraction, you know. So I came up, you know, I my wife is the first time I came up with this form aware of the ring. My wife in Middlesex told me I left the garage door open in February in Montana.

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Elliot

Well, even the most liberated woman is not going to jump out of bed and be the one to close the garage door.

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Luna

It's answer I would, but I'm the submissive and I want to do all the accessories. So that's how I got it, babe.

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Elliot

And I left it open on purpose. Now go look at it that close know. So I went downstairs and closed it. And when I came back up to come and left us, ordinarily I would've been irritated. Like, what the fuck? I can't, you know, can't hold off that thought for a few minutes. You know why we're having sex?

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Elliot

But a guy with a hard on thinks differently. I came back upstairs, an erection, and I didn't care.

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Luna

I know I'm I'm a talker, and I have to learn when to shut the fuck up. And I didn't realize how much it bothers people's erections. I also am a person where I'm like, it's my toilet. I like it when it goes soft and then I can make it hard and I get to play with it, you know?

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Luna

And so but, but truly through talking to to so many dudes I hear from over all of these years, the number one concern and even with my partners in my private life are can I study hard, will I do hard, will, I will, I will, you know, and I have many friends who are sex workers and work in the brothels, in the legal brothels, in the full service industry.

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Luna

And they say that so many dudes go there and they get so nervous. And so it's. And so I imagine that also like, in addition to having literal data that can tell you about your like, lifestyle choices and maybe you need and maybe everyone needs to not eat processed food, you know, that that do or don't affect your blood flow.

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Luna

I imagine that it's also like a psychological component to having that support. Right? But then you also have the literal blood flow support, right?

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Elliot

It's a it's a profound confidence builder. And we make love twice as long as we used to. Why? Because previously there's a certain, you know, rush okay. With both you know, both turned on. Let's come. If you know that you're going to that, you're going to stay hard for 30 or 45 minutes comfortably even longer sometimes. Well, suddenly, a lot of hours, a lot of our lovemaking.

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Elliot

And I hear this from our customer for many of our customers. So a lot of a lovemaking is a more indirect pleasurable. But but but not, you know, but but but not focused on the penis in the clearest. But it's more indirect because she knows I'm going to stay hard. So so she she will actually, you know, I you can there's not this rush to orgasm.

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Elliot

Hey, go suck on my career. Go fuck me hot. It's more like, hey, I'll take a little bit out a little bit. Let's change positions. Let's talk for a moment. Let's, you know, and and then let's see we go back to it and, and it's, it's like a lot, you know, it's just put it this way. It's more romantic.

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Elliot

It's more intense.

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Luna

Yeah. And instead of like, stuffing all the food in your face, you get to actually, like, enjoy the spread of the entire. That's right. You can take your time a nibble. And I'm never concerned about my partner's hard ons, but I know that they are. And you'll also see this dance between like, I don't want to come too fast, I don't want to come too late.

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Luna

And then when they're worrying about that and then they don't come at all and it's like, because they get so in their head at some point. And then there can be, you know, just all of the psychological factors that are separate from the blood flow issue, but also the blood flow issue is real. I want to jump back to the question about size, because I know, you know, like I imagine there's like a lower size limit and maybe an upper size limit.

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Elliot

But we recommend the performance. Well, I'll put this. Well, let's start the tech right. Which is this way. Yeah. How many men are bigger than this?

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Luna

Hopefully not too many. If I want to.

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Elliot

Put those guys on. Can anyone? So the checker is really one size fits all know if men are really, really large, the last can stretch and we'll tear the elastomer usually we will last 4 to 6 months and we sell the tech ring. We give people two sleeves so that it does. If it does tear, we can have another one.

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Elliot

We have had a couple men who are really big who were tore in 4 to 6 weeks. But, you know, most men aren't really big, most men around. So, yeah. Yeah, we have we have men who, we have men who are really big who use it, and we have men who are kind of average to say, no, I'm too big for that.

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Elliot

So but size. So it's largely one size fits all. But the non-tech ring, we make two of them. One is performance ring. Oh and by the way I been back by this point it can be made larger. So because by slot by by sliding through the loop you can make it longer on one side and tighter on the other.

00:21:26:01 - 00:21:35:02

Elliot

So when I'm having sex with it with a tech ring, I tighten it up around the shaft because I want I want that effect, I want it, and then when I go to bed, I choose to talk about the shaft. So it's comfortable.

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Luna

Not awesome.

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Elliot

That's so often we have had men who could play who, you know, most men sleep naked, and I used to having things in the body, unlike women. So we have had men. So it takes a little bit of time to get, get used to. For me, the first couple of nights I was aware of it and now I wake up with it.

00:21:50:12 - 00:22:05:02

Elliot

I'm not even aware of it. And if it does get uncomfortable in the middle of I feel comfortable. I mean annoying because it's not like a needle in your body. It's like a was wearing a bra. You know, we all the US women adjust their bras because they want to settle it into the skin, because just trying to avoid skin is not.

00:22:05:06 - 00:22:22:19

Elliot

This is made. I will ask the same thing to at least sometimes the middle, like 4:00 in the morning. It's like, okay, you just unhook it, relocate and put it back on again. Go back to bed. Okay. We have had had one woman tell me that the only way to persuade her husband to put it on overnight was with a blowjob and blowjob before sleep.

00:22:22:21 - 00:22:31:08

Elliot

And then, like, 5:00, the man was like, what's this thing on me? And then. Oh, well, I guess it's. I guess it's not that bad.

00:22:31:10 - 00:22:49:14

Luna

I love that that's a great care. I mean, I know because I hear from so many of them, I know that a lot of people in long term relationships stop receiving blowjobs. I would invite them to, you know, maybe do some connection communication there. But, I, I'm curious if there is a lower limit. Like, are there micro penises?

00:22:49:14 - 00:22:51:12

Luna

Like, can you get it wrapped?

00:22:51:14 - 00:23:05:11

Elliot

So we saw 2000 devices so far about 12,000. Yeah. And we have had two men return them because they were too small. Okay. And, you know, so there was a guy who had three inch penis. Yeah. And, you know, that's, that's really an outlier. And then there was.

00:23:05:13 - 00:23:14:14

Luna

That was that seems doable. I'm thinking more of, like, the true nubs that are almost like a big three inches. I feel I could still fit it. Maybe if I were there. Okay, okay.

00:23:14:16 - 00:23:19:23

Elliot

It would be for other problems. Especially if the people device on with lube. If they often do it, just let's.

00:23:20:00 - 00:23:21:02

Luna

Right. That makes sense.

00:23:21:02 - 00:23:40:10

Elliot

Okay, so my and my wife is like gesture here. We've actually I'm not we've we've had men who are really fat and then the penises kind of attract and disappear I fucking I know and I forgot about that. We've we've had a couple doesn't it. Yeah. And it's, it doesn't. Nothing really works with them. They need they have a, they have a serious medical problem.

00:23:40:12 - 00:24:02:06

Elliot

We've had some couple of two people have the prostate surgery multiple prostrate most prostate procedures whose testicles get to be so small. This wraps around the testicle too as well. Yeah. Because we don't want to have motional effect on the sensors, but also because we want to create a bra for balls. We want the balls to be in one location for pleasure, but by holding the blood in the testicles, the skin becomes more sensitive.

00:24:02:08 - 00:24:10:03

Elliot

And what is that? You know, what is a man or a partner want with balls during sex? Well, what happens without a ring? There, up the ladder, up the down here. Where the fuck are they?

00:24:10:07 - 00:24:17:01

Luna

Yeah, you got to keep track of them. They move so much during the arousal like it's it's one field, but it's one of my favorite things to.

00:24:17:03 - 00:24:41:08

Elliot

I'm glad to have gotten so and so. And you know obviously women address this that larger breasts by, by wearing something that hold in place. Otherwise breasts flop around of different sexual positions might be uncomfortable. And so, so the the ring not the rash on the balls for pleasure and you know, and for data, but we do make another wrinkle in VR that's probably our fastest seller.

00:24:41:10 - 00:25:03:05

Elliot

And that big men can't use it because it's tighter. Okay. Because because it's tighter. It was designed to increase the ejaculatory phase by 50%. My judgment is goes from four seconds, seven seconds. And that is an incredible orgasm. I don't have sex without this device. This is the maximum bonus, right? Ever. Okay. What an orgasm. Better. My wife likes it too.

00:25:03:06 - 00:25:15:23

Elliot

Well, you know, I'm noisy. Push my wife to excuse that because there's more. She's more power and satisfaction. Like the power to, like, use that word effect and satisfaction. Know. Yeah. It's not, you know, impact people.

00:25:16:01 - 00:25:29:12

Luna

It's it's an energetic sharing with the partner. Like when I know what's happening, when I make noises are so hot, and then, you know, if I'm in a place where I get to feel their pulsation and that's longer, that fucking hot. Literally.

00:25:29:12 - 00:25:52:22

Elliot

Yeah. Yeah. Well, tickets. I think my wife likes watching it because it's so much more dramatic. I come hotter and with more fluid than before because it's actually been held in a little bit and then something explodes out. Anyway. So, the, the, the data from the tech ring is really, really valuable. But the sexual performance, the maximum performance rate is profound.

00:25:52:22 - 00:26:08:01

Elliot

Although if you if a man really is bigger, if the guy is eight inches, the guy is, you know, has a slim growth, it's going to be too tight, right. And I recommend so we saw another device called performance Ring that can be adjusted, you know, for size for men, for medical larger.

00:26:08:03 - 00:26:17:01

Luna

I would love if you could tell our sweet listeners about the role that the urethra plays in an orgasm, in pleasure.

00:26:17:03 - 00:26:42:11

Elliot

Well, that's that's what the. You know, men have shit when it comes to pleasure. Women have vibrators. Men have nothing that smokers that are. Yeah. No more men have women or. That's that but but the but I but it turns the devices into that. This stroke is on you know they saturate the market and they. No no stroke was ever really sold more than 120,000 devices because most guys because you're the hand the man's masturbate.

00:26:42:15 - 00:26:50:19

Elliot

The brain hand connection is just more sensitive than the mechanical machine. Now, I recognize that if people are into S&M play, there's a role for them. Yeah.

00:26:50:19 - 00:27:06:06

Luna

Different sensation. But no, we I just want to say, because it's so funny that you say that because I was given some Stoker's by a company who makes them, and three, five times I've had partners come over and I'm like, I got this cool thing, I want to try it. I really because I just like novelty. I want to try different things on different people.

00:27:06:06 - 00:27:18:00

Luna

I want to try the same thing on every single person, and they don't want to do it. They're like, what? I'd rather have your hands. I'd rather have your mouth. I'd rather have it, you know? And since that's on the table, I'm like, all right, I'm going to have to just use it on one of my submissives. So, you know, because it's.

00:27:18:00 - 00:27:25:22

Luna

But you're right, they don't. It's not it's not the same unless someone is a toy hobbyist or like, really just wants to get into that world. Yeah.

00:27:26:00 - 00:27:48:04

Elliot

Yeah. And most people are. So I'm really I want, I want to develop both technology and pleasure devices for the majority. You know, for the majority. Yeah. So I wanted to so my thought was to put the right amount of pressure over the urethra as I tested it on 11 men aged 27 to 70, and we hit 50% in terms of elasticity and grip with maximum performance.

00:27:48:10 - 00:28:09:02

Elliot

That's that's device we made. And it thrills me, frankly, you know, I'm not a sex worker for thrills me that a couple times a week I hear from men say, well, I never heard of his cock ring before, and this is amazing. I can't wait to use it. My wife or boyfriend, and and that's it. Really?

00:28:09:04 - 00:28:17:09

Elliot

It's great because these guys. Because cock cranes have never. I mean, you for the most your listeners use cockneys, but that's not that's not the case. The general population.

00:28:17:13 - 00:28:34:20

Luna

Yeah. I mean, I get to hear from the people who know that I am particularly open minded. And so they tell me about all their toys and I love them. But I know, you know, I know when I'm just meeting the average heteronormative dude that he's just like a what? Why would I, you know, and it's and it's almost like an offense for a little bit male pride.

00:28:34:22 - 00:28:47:20

Luna

Yeah. Well and it's yeah, some of the socialization maybe. And maybe I think they're even just once they get to know me more than they're like. But how does it work for you? When you say pressure on the urethra, do you mean like the urethral opening? Do you mean the whole, like, internal shaft? Like what?

00:28:47:22 - 00:29:14:01

Elliot

I mean, I mean, on the shaft, on the, I guess it's the tip of the urethra. Sensitive. Without a doubt. But a lot of men find it to be uncomfortable, and then you get used to that kind of stimulation before they realize, oh, it's it's a it's great. Especially, especially close to the end. Yeah. But just before you question for you, before you have an orgasm, it actually it's more sensitive, but, I'm not I'm talking about pressure on the shaft.

00:29:14:03 - 00:29:14:14

Elliot

Yeah.

00:29:14:16 - 00:29:27:01

Luna

Cool, cool. And so for the tech ring, when someone is wearing that to get like, baselines and data for their heart health or their kind of overall health, how often do you recommend that they wear it and then like, what do they do with that data?

00:29:27:03 - 00:29:35:20

Elliot

Well, I want to say first that the ring that the techniques should be worn during sex as well to in order to get data. Okay. It's not just wearing overnight. And so what I'm saying.

00:29:35:20 - 00:29:38:17

Luna

Lots of fantasies about data gathering.

00:29:38:18 - 00:29:43:02

Elliot

Exactly. But it can even be used for gamification.

00:29:43:04 - 00:29:59:06

Luna

That's one of my next questions is how often have you heard? Because I'm having lots of fantasies also about like ordering submissives to wear it at night, reporting their numbers. To me, bringing it into a play session and seeing what they do with, you know, like, do you hear those stories from people like, I'm a sex stories nerd, so I always want to know.

00:29:59:08 - 00:30:11:15

Elliot

You know, we I know that there was a gay bachelor party in Las Vegas where they bought six of them. And they want to find out who spent the most time hard over the weekend.

00:30:11:17 - 00:30:19:10

Luna

So that is such a boy thing. Oh, my God, that's hilarious. And now I'm like, I'll do it with my submissives. Okay.

00:30:19:12 - 00:30:21:18

Elliot

Well, you could have a competition among them.

00:30:21:20 - 00:30:28:18

Luna

Yeah, but I'm. I don't like competitions. I want everyone to be a winner. But it would be data gathering. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

00:30:28:18 - 00:30:53:13

Elliot

So they just use this data people to measure the impact of diabetes, hypertension. Athletes gross upon the sexual health. The impact of the cocktail is which are antidepressants and and antihypertensive. They can measure the impact of relationships. You know it's one thing that that I'm so new experience to us and I did before I got married, which is why am I so turned on with this person and not turned up that person.

00:30:53:15 - 00:30:57:23

Luna

The whole reason this podcast exists, I was like, why is it different with people?

00:30:58:01 - 00:31:15:19

Elliot

Yeah, I mean, you say you guys should quantify. So, you can actually have and then it kind of blows up kind of the whole supplement industry because there are so many softness that men take women to for the sexual health that claims are made, that they don't really work.

00:31:15:21 - 00:31:22:14

Luna

And supplements are barely regulated in this country like you getting. Yeah. Okay. There you go.

00:31:22:16 - 00:31:42:12

Elliot

We have we have found virtually no supplements or supplements to be effective at any point. Now they can have BusyBox. And I'm well aware that I'm tech. I got guys I prescribe cycles. So if I were to and they tell me it works if it's in their wallet, well of course it does because it's it makes it make you more confident to have it.

00:31:42:17 - 00:32:00:02

Elliot

You now know that you have a problem. You can you know, you can take you can take a pill, but that's the placebo actually, like, you go into my medicine cabinet right now I'm taking several supplements. I only take one and that makes difference. And that's vitamin D3. And the rest of them are taking well, you know, you hear an article, you hear podcast on, someone says something.

00:32:00:02 - 00:32:03:03

Elliot

The next thing you know, you got your medicine cabinet filled with stuff.

00:32:03:05 - 00:32:04:02

Luna

Yeah.

00:32:04:04 - 00:32:23:06

Elliot

So when it comes to sexual health, I don't, you know, we also have claims that are being made for testosterone shockwave therapy, p shots, stem cell treatments, and now men can even take a take on experimental treatments they can actually measure. It was a real or not what's really happened. Yeah. Am I getting harder? I'm having more natural erections.

00:32:23:09 - 00:32:25:04

Elliot

My lasting longer.

00:32:25:06 - 00:32:40:19

Luna

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I would love to hear a little bit about the research that you said you're in the process of publishing that has to do with, you know, the blood flow, because I've been with plenty of people that are like on Viagra or Cialis, but that doesn't mean that they're calming. Their anxiety doesn't mean that they're going to have a better orgasm.

00:32:40:19 - 00:32:48:12

Luna

It doesn't mean that our connection is any better. In fact, sometimes it makes it worse because then they're in a spiral about like, why on this working? So can you speak a little bit about all.

00:32:48:12 - 00:33:08:19

Elliot

The people that there are a lot of misconceptions about the accurate cycles, the Pde5 medications put more blood in the penis, but I'm particularly good at keeping it there. So in most men of men can attain erection put to put them up blood. It could be helpful, but men can attain erection. Put them up blood. It might help if you guys diabetes, hypertension just needs this a little bit more.

00:33:08:21 - 00:33:19:02

Elliot

But if the man's just anxious. Yeah. The problem is really not the PD for that case. It can help a little bit. But they don't keep the blood there. So ring a ring. On the other hand will keep the blood. Yes.

00:33:19:07 - 00:33:37:19

Luna

Like literally the best solution I have discovered for when a partner goes soft is I'm like haha, my toy is soft now and then I turn my fingers into a cock ring and I'm like perfect, perfect. And the more that I like like their cock in whatever state it's in, and they start to believe that I'm actually having fun and then the head stuff goes away, and then suddenly we're fucking in.

00:33:37:19 - 00:33:45:03

Luna

Someone who's much older than you is having an orgasm for the first time in decades, you know? So, yeah.

00:33:45:05 - 00:33:50:16

Elliot

No, it's great. And it's really, it's it's the greatest men's manosphere. And it's.

00:33:50:17 - 00:33:56:06

Luna

I think it'd be nice if I didn't have to hold on if I just had one of the firm decks.

00:33:56:08 - 00:34:16:14

Elliot

Like, look, we all men and women get penis leak as we get older, so I'm like, what? So venous leak. So, you know, look, if I was 14 years old and, you know, holding hands, I could just get hard for about an hour, maybe two. You know, if on the hand that doesn't happen at age 71 anymore.

00:34:16:17 - 00:34:36:22

Elliot

So, you know, I, I know I'm getting erections with my wife, but I'll lose them a lot faster than when I was 50 or 40 or 30, you know, etc.. And this is no reflection on her. This is the way it is. So, a ring compensates for that. The ring basically, I, allow as the blood goes in, the blood stays there.

00:34:36:22 - 00:34:54:03

Elliot

So. So here's an example of why this happens. So, you know, if I'm 71 years old, if I sit in a plane for 5 or 6 hours, my ankles or so a little bit, my tight socks will get tight, my rings will get tired of my fingers. Why is that? Is because the muscles around my small veins are weaker and my blood vessels are weaker.

00:34:54:03 - 00:35:01:19

Elliot

It just happens. It's just it's just part a part of aging. And the impact on the clears, the cancers. You get turned on and you lose it faster.

00:35:01:21 - 00:35:02:18

Luna

00:35:02:20 - 00:35:24:23

Elliot

So what can you do to keep the blood in? And what a man can do is different than what what the what a woman can do. Women have vibrators and it also L-arginine gel is a very effective vessel player in women. Men have shed men. Men. Men need rings beyond rock hard. This concrete hard. Nothing is going to help men get hotter and stay hotter longer than a conqueror.

00:35:25:04 - 00:35:39:16

Elliot

The problem is, conventional cock is again that they can only be worn 15 or 20 minutes or rings and be worn long enough. I don't want to make love. My wife will make love for ten 15 minutes. Then you got that rushed orgasm. Okay, we both turned on. We got. But as I'd like to make love for now.

00:35:39:18 - 00:36:01:09

Elliot

Yeah, that's my best for an hour and I'd rather be edged and so a cheat and that. So that's a lot more pleasure. Islam. More pleasure. It's also more romantic and intimate. It's more bonding between couple who wants, you know, having having sex quickly because I, I'm hard. It's like well it's like having a shot of booze I, I was meal follows it but dessert too.

00:36:01:13 - 00:36:23:05

Elliot

So with a ring my wife might not make love from longer, more confidently. More indirectly, if you will. Less less of you know and and it's really been great for us. I hear about that from my customers weekly, from several several people about that, about the impact of rate. There's so many men don't know it. It's only when the women don't know what either.

00:36:23:08 - 00:36:40:02

Elliot

They think especially, you know, whether they're young. And the first couple of times where the guy got heart rate or poor or an older guy is hard, let me jump on him. Well, then jump on me. But the ring. So it changes that mindset to, oh, he's hard and he's going to be half next half. Oh, that's a whole other mindset.

00:36:40:04 - 00:36:41:18

Elliot

Yeah. It's yeah.

00:36:41:20 - 00:36:59:01

Luna

That's such a good point. And it truly wasn't until I was listening to your interview with Kathy Key on Strictly Anonymous. But I was like, oh, I mean, I have so much compassion for penis people because I know that there is this immense amount of like, they're not good enough. They're to this or to that. Like, people love to attack dudes in all of these ways.

00:36:59:01 - 00:37:20:22

Luna

But I'm like, oh, right. I actually, even in six years of interviewing people about their sex lives, lives had not considered the amount of fear of losing a heart on that goes into the rushed elements of sex. Like, I just didn't, you know, and I have enough data points that I could have made that story. But it wasn't until hearing you guys talk that I was like, oh shit, so what a game changer.

00:37:20:22 - 00:37:22:14

Luna

What a game changer.

00:37:22:16 - 00:37:38:03

Elliot

Well, I never thought about using Cochrane's name regularly until I came up with this, because they suck. They, you know, they're not they're they're novelties. Not, not a well, I don't know if I call you an eight. Let's call enhancer. Yeah, yeah, I go.

00:37:38:05 - 00:37:51:15

Luna

I go like lube. I like lube no matter what. You know, I like the way that it feels when it gets dripped on me. And I know people are like, oh, I want to be wet enough. And I'm like, no, it's just a great part of my sex life. It's a sensation creation.

00:37:51:17 - 00:38:08:20

Elliot

When vibrators really started being popular in the 70s or 80s, there was a certain bastard associated with them. Oh, you have to complete penetration. It doesn't, you know, you can't. You should. You know, it's a crutch. And then, you know, 50 years later, 40 years later. No, they're they're they're the norm, frankly, for talking to to my customers.

00:38:08:22 - 00:38:28:00

Elliot

I'm not surprised by this and certainly don't want people to intercourse as people in intercourse between a man and a woman. Obviously man and man for that matter is less of the it's less of the end of the game. Yeah. For most people, it's it's something that people do in between other things that they're doing in order to get the other.

00:38:28:04 - 00:38:30:22

Luna

Yeah. Yeah. No, that's so true.

00:38:31:00 - 00:38:50:22

Elliot

And that's and these the urologists, the gynecologists and the general media don't understand this. I mean, you get this whole, you know, you know, we see the porn but but, but let's call called the sort of Game of Thrones kind of soft porn or HBO soft porn. You know, it's like I'm going to oh, I'm going to pick you up three around my waist.

00:38:51:00 - 00:38:59:04

Elliot

Yeah. And and bang against the wall, or you're going to climb on top. Me and you're going to ride me with both the combat. But that's not the real world and think that's lousy sex, too.

00:38:59:06 - 00:39:01:20

Luna

You know? Lousy, lousy.

00:39:01:22 - 00:39:12:18

Elliot

Well, why can't I watch A Game of Thrones? You thought the sex scenes people might have been attractive. We thought the sex scenes like that's not do assignment. Assignment. Not in the real world. It's not. It's not good.

00:39:12:20 - 00:39:29:00

Luna

My main goal in life, which I don't know how far I'll get, but, you know, my background is as a filmmaker. I went to film school at USC and I just want to create mainstream cinema with really beautiful, accurate, like creative, connective sex scenes, you know? And maybe they have to be in the special bits because I can't keep them all on the main piece.

00:39:29:00 - 00:39:43:15

Luna

But like I agree with you. So, so hard core. So okay, so partners are using this together. And then once they have the data like how do you recommend people use that data to examine their health.

00:39:43:17 - 00:39:46:12

Elliot

Right. Have you seen that? I've seen what the data looks like.

00:39:46:14 - 00:39:48:04

Luna

I have not.

00:39:48:06 - 00:39:53:02

Elliot

I'll show you. So we're in the Google and Apple stores as I come from tech.

00:39:53:07 - 00:39:53:21

Luna

Okay.

00:39:53:23 - 00:39:57:19

Elliot

This is what the data looks like overnight.

00:39:57:21 - 00:40:02:23

Luna

Ooh squiggly I love it. I have the highest spikes. The erections.

00:40:03:01 - 00:40:22:08

Elliot

Yeah. On this end, my wife and I having sex and another two nocturnal erections afterwards. So this is this is normal. Okay. How can I use this though? Well, so starting on new antihypertensive medication I could say, well, what's the impact? Let me go for we recommend people get four readings because I said the sensors take they need to, adjust your body.

00:40:22:10 - 00:40:43:20

Elliot

And get four readings that could then measure the impact of medication, a new relationship, a drug, a supplement to sexual performance. We give people a what's on one 0 to 10 scale with anything about six being normal and anything about nine. You're probably 25 years old, so it's really hard to be a ten. The, all the time.

00:40:43:22 - 00:40:54:08

Elliot

And that score is based on your nocturnal erections, how long they last, and when you're having sex. Because we want people to use a brain. And having sex when you're having sex, how hard you get, how long you last.

00:40:54:10 - 00:41:09:16

Luna

Cool. Okay. And so then they can make choices about their life based on those data points. And I know you can't prescribe anything, but like it gives them actual tools to sort of be like, oh, what is my overall health like? Right. Because sexual health is a reflection of overall health.

00:41:09:18 - 00:41:31:23

Elliot

Correct. We get people notifications like, hey Elliot, erections over the last month or half as hard as they were on average beforehand. Give us four more readings and they stay low. You need to you should seek a doctor or could be, Hey, Elliot. My God, man, you're having twice as much sex as you've ever had. You had last month.

00:41:32:04 - 00:41:35:19

Elliot

Way to go. Something's good has changed in your life.

00:41:35:21 - 00:41:53:20

Luna

Love that. Okay, so on the note of people visiting their doctors, I hear from a lot of people that the sex related conversations they have had with their doctors are, by and large, atrocious. Like, can you speak to did you get any like, sex? And as a medical professional or like the personal parts or kind of like, what do you notice in your area.

00:41:53:20 - 00:41:55:12

Luna

Because urology, you talk about.

00:41:55:12 - 00:42:15:11

Elliot

This I talked to take a sexual history with them that we never do because there's no money, no box to check. And we're embarrassed. Yeah. Most of you remember are people. People and they're embarrassed and they don't. And most people in best talk about it. So yeah. So we've really let people down. We fail people in this area because sex is so profoundly important not to sex workers.

00:42:15:11 - 00:42:36:09

Elliot

Like what's cardiovascular health. And now is sex a weathervane for medication side effects? Our relationships are so our self-esteem revolves, revolves so much around our sexual performance. Yeah, we and we know the people have sex every day, have half the the cortisol level, stressful stress hormone level of people don't.

00:42:36:11 - 00:42:43:16

Luna

Damn is a partnered sex. Do you know if the data is so low partner. Because I'm like, damn, that's the most compelling reason I've heard to go get a regular partner in a while.

00:42:43:18 - 00:43:05:21

Elliot

It was it was it was a mix. It was either okay, okay, and we know but and we know the people who are well on the terms of divorce, we know that people have sex one twice a week. Have to was rates 50% better than people who don't? We know that people who were over the age of 70, 75 men in this case in the study of sex twice a week, significantly decrease their cardiac risk.

00:43:05:23 - 00:43:25:05

Elliot

So it's it's shameful that doctors don't ask people about their sexual health, because if you're going to, you know, we ask people about alcohol, drugs, guns and, you know, ask about their sex life. I mean, maybe the reason why we maybe the reason why the person is drinking too much is because the sex life sucks. Maybe the reason, right?

00:43:25:10 - 00:43:37:15

Elliot

Or maybe the reason why they're, they're doing to make drugs is because they got a bad ass partner was making them do it. Maybe they shouldn't be that person I know, right? We really we really should ask about it, and and we don't.

00:43:37:17 - 00:43:55:16

Luna

Yeah. And depression, I mean, I, I am in a unique bubble, right? Where I hear from a lot of people who are suffering this horrible depression loop because they're not getting laid and they feel undesirable. And then it creates anxiety around the partners. And now there's a new wave of like, young people are watching porn, and porn means so many different things, and there's all these conflicting feelings about it.

00:43:55:16 - 00:44:05:11

Luna

And then now they're with a real person for the first time in years and they're, you know, their animal bodies are freaking out. And so I, I would love to hear from you just as kind of a brainstorm noodle like.

00:44:05:13 - 00:44:26:00

Elliot

Don't forget, when it comes to porn, women spend five, six times as much time shopping as men spend watching porn. So what's the impact on women minds of all the shopping they do? Because the, you know, they talk about porn, the dopamine hits that men get in the brain because porn becomes addicting. Yeah. I'm I'm amazed and I just, you know, women used to, like, read a book.

00:44:26:00 - 00:44:27:15

Elliot

Now shop online.

00:44:27:15 - 00:44:44:21

Luna

Oh, interesting. Okay, so online shopping, not shopping for porn. Oh my God. Okay. And then, you know, and then there's the literal physical side effect that I know of where guys are getting blisters on their dicks, like, you know, because they're and they're stroking so hard and the sensation just continues to ramp up because there's.

00:44:44:21 - 00:44:47:19

Elliot

You know, they need more and more the harder, more and more harder sensation. Yeah.

00:44:47:19 - 00:45:11:06

Luna

Yeah. You know, and then porn gets a bad rep, which it's like if people could understand that it's like the Olympics and it's sex movies and it's a very specific type of fantasy and not the everyday expectation. And I know, you know, some of my lady friends have had virgins come in and show them screenshots of the different positions that they want to do and the different kind of like, and it's like they're and it's their first time and then they like, get full of panic because they're now with a real human.

00:45:11:06 - 00:45:31:22

Luna

And one of my lady friends who works at a brothel had a client who was like, can I go to the bathroom and watch some porn to get hard, like during their party to. And so I was like, oh my God. So, in your perfect world, going back to the sex education, both for, you know, both for people at large, but also for the medical community.

00:45:31:22 - 00:45:38:00

Luna

Like what would your dream solution be like in a perfect world where you get to design the set, like, what do you think we need?

00:45:38:02 - 00:45:56:23

Elliot

We are there for paper, certain sets of publications. We are looking at Botox and brittle dysfunction. We're looking at shockwave therapy. We're looking at maybe interventions. We want to assess these things objectively. And so but all the while, the research is going to come out between now and summer next year. The writers are going to know about this.

00:45:57:01 - 00:46:11:21

Elliot

And my goal is that they will start treating people objectively, but with the weather. So instead of, hey, I hey, you know, I've got a date. We want to talk about too much. Oh, you want to take Viagra?

00:46:11:21 - 00:46:12:14

Luna

Yeah. Here's.

00:46:12:16 - 00:46:26:19

Elliot

Hey, you know, you wouldn't treat blood pressure without a blood pressure cuff. You wouldn't treat a cardiac arrhythmia without an electrocardiogram. I want doctors to start getting people's data. Yeah, and treat them a case of data.

00:46:26:21 - 00:46:42:00

Luna

Do you think that there is something else needed for the social part of the shame? Like you just went to a urology conference and spoke there, and it sounds like you're in a group of other medical professionals who are able to talk about these things comfortably, maybe like, do you think that.

00:46:42:02 - 00:47:05:20

Elliot

If I was a urologist that openminded, but my wife, my wife was in the booth, me is often struck by but by the inhibition, really? Because you guys start talking about the next question might be, do I have a problem? Do you have a problem? We just don't want to. They don't care. You know, they and it's just, you know, getting back to our early points of conversation, people don't want to talk.

00:47:05:21 - 00:47:08:04

Elliot

They don't want to talk about this area.

00:47:08:06 - 00:47:10:14

Luna

They want to learn the hard way through this podcast.

00:47:10:17 - 00:47:34:11

Elliot

You know, I guess I answer all the time, I have no problem whatsoever. You're like, yeah, sure. You know, they don't they don't understand women to people just don't want to talk about it. I mean, I, I'm one, you know, I think I think that things are going to change it for the heterosexual side. I really do, because women push for it.

00:47:34:13 - 00:47:58:09

Elliot

I think, you know, if if a man is just a sex toy to a relationship, it gets thrown in the garbage after it's used once. If a woman introduced a sexual relationship, it'll get used a lot. A lot, and so if women if women are concerned about the men's health, the one of the men they will get men to get to, to get their data.

00:47:58:11 - 00:48:04:22

Elliot

And if women want to make their men more confident, put a ring on it. It's hey,

00:48:05:00 - 00:48:30:19

Luna

Yes. If you like it, then you should put a ring on it. Yeah. Fuck yeah. I also love the idea of, like, a practical, tangible feedback loop of like. Well, I've been running this week and now I see the difference in my heart under like, oh, I change my food habit, change my sleep, or I started meditating because I, I personally like when I started doing the surgeon General recommendation of like 30 minutes of, you know, zone two cardio, five times a week.

00:48:30:21 - 00:48:49:04

Luna

My ability to like because I used to be like, oh, you guys must get this special boost of energy, you know? And I haven't had as many lady lovers as I would like, but but now I'm like, I can be on top as long as you need. Like, I can fuck you for, for, you know, like, because I introduce this small amount of energy into my life.

00:48:49:04 - 00:48:57:16

Luna

And so I imagine that having the like, immediate feedback loop of being able to concretely see those data points could, could just lead to so many layers of hotness.

00:48:57:18 - 00:49:15:21

Elliot

What we know or health we know that people who get have wearables develop a positive. Many people develop positive relationship with another wearable. It can be digital if even people have a digital scale. Watch Apple Watch The weight when people talk to you don't have one. People blood pressure cuff will use it. People have a smartwatch or a smart, smart ring will access that day.

00:49:16:00 - 00:49:21:16

Elliot

Data. And what do people care more about this actual data? How many steps it took yesterday?

00:49:21:18 - 00:49:32:21

Luna

I mean, it's all related, but it's like, let's play with the cocks. And and on that note, I would love to hear what you're developing for clit because color me curious. I want some data. Sure.

00:49:32:23 - 00:49:54:10

Elliot

Of course. Who's hotter? Your cat would be able to answer that question soon. So, based where we're, you know, there's the Linus vibrator, which many others are. They sold small, tens of thousands. It can measure people to see as most attractions. Of orgasm, but can't be hundred penetrative sex. And it doesn't tell anything about that.

00:49:54:12 - 00:50:13:21

Elliot

But blood flow in the clitoris. We're measuring blood flow in the clitoris, measuring the size of the clitoris. And it has been gorgeous when measuring blood flow. We also measuring pig muscle contractions so it women be able to use this the way men can use the male device. Okay. What women? That women have nocturnal erections and they can count them now.

00:50:13:23 - 00:50:32:03

Elliot

They can actually and they can measure the impact of diseases, diet, medication, etc.. Plan that uses the. Yeah, make movement, use this device when we're having sex. So so as the male device they can use it to say well this is blood pressure or something. I'm taking depressant. What's the impact of this. So I'm taking hormones but the impact is hormone.

00:50:32:08 - 00:50:38:17

Elliot

You'll be able to titrate the doses more effectively to have less of an effect upon based upon the sexual health.

00:50:38:18 - 00:50:45:08

Luna

How is it designed like how would it fit on me? Does it have legs? Is it like panties? Does it go inside and clip on.

00:50:45:10 - 00:50:58:07

Elliot

Because it's outside? So it's the components inside. So it's behind the pubic symphysis bone. Right. It's by the G-spot. Yeah. That's the relevance by the way. That's, that's where it sits because that's where the bone turns. Yeah.

00:50:58:10 - 00:50:59:21

Luna

Yeah yeah.

00:50:59:23 - 00:51:22:16

Elliot

So it's inside. Well it's shaped like this okay. It's tissue okay. So but the, the component side spreads out because we don't want slipping out. Right, right. And then and then there are sensors over the clitoris that then measure the well. Not of directly over alongside of the clitoris, but measure blood flow. Pulse amplitude and size.

00:51:22:18 - 00:51:27:18

Luna

That's so cool. So that's a night time device? Not okay. Well, penetration.

00:51:27:20 - 00:51:29:08

Elliot

Ureteral penetration.

00:51:29:10 - 00:51:33:20

Luna

And this is you have prototypes. You do you need volunteers to help you study.

00:51:33:22 - 00:51:56:11

Elliot

The the product. The prototype is clunky. So you prototype camp wondering sex. Okay. What you wear on masturbating? We have prototypes. But we actually, the British, the sensors that we use. And there are two papers written about the sensors that we use. The papers are not the ones we're going to use long term, because we've learned I've learned really specifically so much about sensors in the last couple of years.

00:51:56:13 - 00:51:57:10

Luna

Oh, okay.

00:51:57:10 - 00:52:07:16

Elliot

Cool. So and the stuff that comes, we're going back 2 or 3 years now really will be amazing. Absolutely amazing. We're talking and we're probably going to use radar.

00:52:07:18 - 00:52:10:23

Luna

That's right. How cool.

00:52:11:01 - 00:52:26:19

Elliot

With radar we can actually look at micro calcifications in small vessels. And we can see it to the pubic bone and measure and assess pelvic floor muscles as well too. But I've not it'll take I mean I don't I need money for that. And if you, you know, someone must write me a check for 1.5 million, I can make it happen in nine months.

00:52:26:21 - 00:52:45:12

Luna

Okay. I don't know them yet, but I am looking for people who are sex positive investors. And I can't imagine a better cause like that. You know, to wrap up, I would just love to hear, like, what's your favorite part about doing this work? And like, what are you most excited about on the horizon beyond the radars? Or maybe it is.

00:52:45:12 - 00:53:08:06

Elliot

The radar, but what most psyched about is this what we're doing is going to transform urology, gynecology, sexology. We're going to take them as the 21st century of objectivity, providing men and women with actionable, personal, objective data about their sexual health and how to pleasure secondary. Although, I mean, I only secondary in terms of, you know, our female device, a vibrator.

00:53:08:06 - 00:53:17:23

Elliot

But there are lots of libraries out there. You know, already the cock ring is different to change people's lives, just like in a Cochrane like data that's been really cool. Yes, I'm really excited.

00:53:18:01 - 00:53:19:03

Luna

That's awesome.

00:53:19:05 - 00:53:35:23

Elliot

So that's well, that's that's my passion about I want to live a data that's going to transform people's lives. I want people to have enjoy a lifetime of lovemaking that almost everyone desires. The consequence of having data so they can monitor where they are. You can track that, you can hack it. And I want people to have people to make love more.

00:53:36:01 - 00:53:36:18

Elliot

Yeah.

00:53:36:20 - 00:53:57:08

Luna

Yeah. We're here to spread ripples of love. And I really believe that when we co-create a world where we help each other, exercise shame and then increase pleasure, if we are all leading better led lives like that creates a really magical, powerful world where we are actually getting to use each other's creativity to the maximum, you know, and then people, relationships, a human connection is there.

00:53:57:10 - 00:54:08:16

Luna

So, okay, listeners, if any of you have $1.5 million that you would like to invest in, a really good cause, you can reach out to Doctor Elliot. Justin at Doctor Elliot, Justin on Instagram.

00:54:08:18 - 00:54:17:23

Elliot

You can find me on my firm tech on Instagram. You can reach me directly at Elliot, Elliot, Elliot, my firm tech, Aecom, and you can learn about our products because we sell them online.

00:54:18:01 - 00:54:37:04

Luna

Well, so that's my next question for you, because in the meantime, if someone doesn't have $1.5 million but wants to support your cause and their cock and or their partner's cock like, tell us a little bit about the options available. You know, you can go to my firm tech Aecom to see everything and to, I believe also measure like see how your cock measures up size wise.

00:54:37:04 - 00:54:38:13

Luna

Like tell us a little bit about the detail.

00:54:38:18 - 00:54:42:13

Elliot

That we have. We have we have a size calculator on.

00:54:42:15 - 00:54:44:17

Luna

A size company later.

00:54:44:19 - 00:55:17:12

Elliot

Like yeah yeah and yeah. And and I guess I the other it just made me think about something else. Yes. And our products are addicting. So I had to go there after what you just said. I love the as you calculate calculators us but we have, we have, three products right now. So for men tackling the maximum performance room and performance for men with larger will soon be adding the duet vibrator, which could be used by men and women.

00:55:17:14 - 00:55:35:19

Elliot

We have tested products for women called an L-arginine gel preparation because it doesn't work on men, but it works on women. It produces clitoral erections. They don't last long, but it can be quite a mood changer if someone thinks they're not in the mood for sex to suddenly have an erection for a reaction that is, oh yeah, contains this huge.

00:55:35:21 - 00:55:51:15

Luna

Huge and lovers. There is a link down below in the description, and there's a special code for you if you want to use Just for Sex Stories listeners, go do it. Go make your love lives better, doctor Elliot. Justin, thank you so much for being a guest on Sex Stories.

00:55:51:17 - 00:55:53:08

Elliot

It's a pleasure to be here.