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Luna Robbie 0:00

And our guest today is a 35 year old bisexual, pansexual, white cis female who has been monogamously partnered for a year ish in a straight, passing, long term relationship. She is into exploring different types of intimacy, things that make people feel sexy, like lingerie and other things, and also the contrast between vacation sex versus regular sex. She also loves to masturbate acoustically, and is gonna tell us what that means. It's very fun. The CEO and founder of momotaropathica, a Volvo vaginal care line, which I happily used to worship myself like a goddess. And there is a video on only fans and a former nudes and boudoir photographer who splits her time between San Diego and Brooklyn. Welcome Lindsay win. Hi

Lindsay Wynn 0:40

wire. Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

Luna Robbie 0:43

I am so excited. It's so exciting to me when I meet other people who not only have their own mission to make the world a sexier place, but also who have, like, a love of new photography.

Lindsay Wynn 0:56

Yeah. I mean, it's so funny. That's where this all started. Like taking pictures of naked people. What a what a concept, dude.

Luna Robbie 1:04

It's our gateway drug of mine too. Okay, so start out for us by rating yourself, if you had to, on a sexual shame o meter, with 10 being the most full of shame and one being like, What do you mean? Shame? Where do you fall today and like? Does it ever fluctuate? I think inherently, our shame a meters are always fluctuating, because we are constantly responding to the world around Yes, totally. Mine today is a four. Sometimes in bed, it's

Lindsay Wynn 1:35

a 10 or a zero, and sometimes when I'm watching porn, it also changes. Whoa. Do you feel comfy sharing any of the specifics where it squiggles up, and then also tell us about your zero moments? I think everybody is curious is maybe a little bit more curious in their porn searches. And like, I think we all know that feeling after you've been watching, like, the freaky, geekiest porn that you can find on the internet that you're like, so excited, and it's something you've never done, and we'll call that aspirational, rather than fetishes, fetization. Can't get that one out. Like things you want to try, and then you know, maybe you come and you're like, Wait, do I want to try that? That's where maybe sometimes shame falls in. Okay? You're not sure, right? The like, post orgasm come down, and then a zero shame would be sometimes, I think when it's maybe when I'm affirmed by another partner, and I have someone who is helping me be exploratory and supporting me in like my safest, most consensual ways,

Luna Robbie 2:37

that is so hot. I really wish that everyone in this world could have the experience of, like, being held and affirmed safely by a partner. I think that is such a key piece. And I imagine that you offered that to people in the boudoir and nude photography space, right? Like, that's part of that work in a different but similar kind of, like, dynamic, right? Or do you I draw lines there myself? I don't know. I'm projecting. I'm in projection mode. No, I

Lindsay Wynn 3:07

think that that's really fair. I think when we think about nude photography and we think about intimacy or sexual experience, it's all about creating a safe environment. And I think for me, like giving that to other people always felt really good. You'd watch people kind of like come undone, both with removing their clothes and removing, you know, certain levels of being self conscious about their bodies, and then together, it kind of just creates magic, right? And that can happen in the bedroom as well. Yeah,

Luna Robbie 3:39

and you did a lot of the photography, or all of it for Momotaro, yeah, I do all

Lindsay Wynn 3:44

of it, maybe a few here and there that I don't, but for the most part, it's still a really big part of how we learn from our community we grow as individuals and as a business. And, you know, it allows us to connect with all different types of folks who may have different sexual experiences or needs or they're, you know, we hire a lot of sex workers to do our photography as well, because we support, obviously, the sex and porn industry. So it just really gives us a great diverse group of individuals to help represent our brand. I

Luna Robbie 4:12

fucking love that. So in general, if you had to say, how do you think, just a light question here, how do you think societal norms have affected your personal relationships and pleasure throughout the years.

Lindsay Wynn 4:26

I think societal norms influence a huge part of our sexual preferences and ability to show up. I mean, when we're teens and we're entering into puberty and have our first like sexual debut. We're coming into those situations with very with no, literally no experience, and so everything we're coming into that with is based on what we've experienced in the outside world. So shame, stigma, taboos, all of that is coming with us. So I think it's up to us. I. As educators and me personally, now it's really important for me to show and give the people around me the opportunity to learn with unbiased attention.

Luna Robbie 5:12

Yeah, yeah. Okay, this is a question I've been obsessed with lately, because I am talking to people so much about connection and sex, and it's like we love sex, but what do you personally need in order to feel excited to connect with someone intimately? What pieces have to be in place

Lindsay Wynn 5:32

trust? Trust is huge. That can look like a lot of different things, right? I tend to have intimate experiences with people that I have intellectual connection with, so I could meet somebody out and know right away whether or not I'm going to have a physical intimate relationship with them based on how they're looking at me or like whether it's eye contact or the way that they might touch my shoulder or ask if they can touch my shoulder, or whatever it is. But those pieces are very, very clear to me, and it comes from, yeah, a lot of different, I think, experiences and things that now I know that I need to feel safe.

Luna Robbie 6:09

Okay. Was it always that clear to you and like, how do you like it? Or is that just a skill, because also, you're talking to someone who, like, I've got a lot of relational data in my head, but when it's coming at me. I have a really hard time parsing it.

Lindsay Wynn 6:23

I hate my answer for this, but yes,

Luna Robbie 6:26

cool, no, everyone's different. It's your superpower.

Lindsay Wynn 6:29

I know my and it's only my superpower. Like, I couldn't tell you who you're gonna do well with, or if you're having a relationship with them, but I mean from like, the very first, we'll just say boyfriend that I had like, I will never forget them. Forget the moment that I met him. In any long term relationship. I've always had a really strong initial connection, the trust was really there. Not to say that those are exclusively the relationships that I have had, because I haven't. I think you can get into physical, intimate relationships that might not check every single box, that would be a wild thing to expect. But you know, like I feel like I've had a really good judge of character when it comes to, like, my long term really awesome, productive, fun, sexual relationships, that's awesome.

Luna Robbie 7:18

Do you feel like that is connected to knowing what you want, or do you feel like it's enough for you to just be like, That's a good character, and I'll figure it out along the way. Or like, what's your filtration process there? Like it's

Lindsay Wynn 7:29

not connected to knowing what I want. I definitely kissed a few frogs or whatever you call it, and had some bad experiences. No doubt it's maybe connected to initial attraction, physical, emotional, intellectual. I think the intellectual piece, like for me, humor is huge. Someone who can be sarcastic and banter, and I feel like that's a pretty immediate satisfaction piece, you know, if someone's got that wit, so that's very quick. And usually I feel like that's representative of something else I might like in their personality. But then maybe they are absolutely the fucking worst online, and that goes away. Yeah,

Luna Robbie 8:05

yeah, yeah, okay. It's so funny that you mentioned sarcasm, because we're recording this in March, and back in February, my two Fauci, like, my thematic focuses that just happened to evolve in my life were romance, because Valentine's Day everything, I was like, What is romantic? And then also, I, like, hyper focused on sarcasm, because I am such a literal brain person that I do miss a lot of like, I'll be so earnest about everything. So I was with a couple friends on vacation. Was just like, is that sarcasm? You know, is that sarcasm? And sometimes I really get it, and a lot of times I really don't, or it's like, after the fact, I'm like, Oh, I see it, but I wouldn't have, like, assumed it. That's just something that's very, very funny to me. Because I'm like, sometimes I get it, sometimes I don't. And then there were moments where I was sarcastic. They were like, You did it. And I was like,

Lindsay Wynn 8:54

yes, that's so interesting. I think sarcasm for me draws on really dry humor, like stating the obvious over and over again, and also relates to satire, right? We work in industries that are really difficult, right? Like talking about sex and vaginas and stuff are hard, and you need to be serious about it, but sometimes you have to bring levity there. So like, let's just hit the nail on the head, and kind of like, poke fun at ourselves. It helps me, helps me deal with the hard stuff. And so when I see that in the partner, I think I know that that is going to be something that I want in their qualities, they will help me move through the world in a way that I know makes me comfortable. Yeah, yeah. And

Luna Robbie 9:35

one of the things that I learned because one of my really good friends was on vacation with is a professional comedian. And so she was like, I'll talk about jokes with you and structure as long as much as you want. And I finally hit, I know I loved it so much. I was like, Thank you, because I literally did have a boyfriend about 10 years ago that was like, stop asking me about jokes. And I was like, oh, you know. And it was the same week that I read the book The Moon is the harsh mistress, which is where I got the name. Bio, and it begins with a computer figuring out jokes. And I was like, you know, and so I what I hit upon that's really important for connection through sarcasm, because it can be a mean tool as well, is there has to be, like, a shared assumption to make the sarcasm work. And I think that, like, when it's fun and playful, those shared assumptions just gel, you know, and when you don't have shared assumptions, maybe that's where it gets tricky and sticky, not the only reason, but that's, that's kind of like, what I hit upon is like, I've struggled with certain sarcastic people because we didn't share the same assumptions, a lot of which is like, sex negativity, you know. Like, it's like, when people are like, uh, anal, and it's like, the underlying assumption, is, like, quote, unquote, everyone hates anal, and they don't know they're talking to a butt slap

Lindsay Wynn 10:47

well. And I think that's so interesting, because, yeah, sarcasm can be incredibly rude and painful and defensive, actually. And so how you deliver sarcasm and how you know, I guess you need to. You need to really know your audience like you said. You have to have either shared assumptions or be incredibly, incredibly empathetic to the room around you, to pull sarcasm off in a way that is effective. Because, yeah, there is a time and a place for it, and nothing is worse than feeling like that person, where you're like, Yeah, dude, I'm a butt slut, and you're talking shit about anal, and it's not really funny. And, like, there's so many other things that that could touch on, like in terms of ability or sexual preference, that would induce shame. Maybe again, it goes back to this. Is why I'm attracted to it. If it is done well, it is satirical and affirming, rather than offensive and divisive? Yeah, yeah, which

Luna Robbie 11:44

maybe, now that I'm hearing you talk about this just a fresh noodle, I'm like, oh, maybe it has to do with the other person's like, security in whatever topic is at hand, right? So it's like, because I have heard from a lot of my like, coaching clients or whatever, who struggle with partners who kink shame, you know? And it's not usually like, well, sometimes it is as terrible as like, oh, that's disgusting. But usually it's like, the reason a partner is afraid to share with another long term partner is they've heard them make comments in passing that are kind of these, like, shame Ladens, not necessarily sarcasm, but it can be like, oh, like, who would be into that, you know? And it's like, well, a lot of us, I don't know,

Lindsay Wynn 12:26

yeah, exactly, yeah. It's really interesting now that we're going down this, this rabbit hole about Yeah, sarcasm and satire, like, Why? Why do we use it? And I think about, in my own experience, like I use a lot as it relates to death, right? My father died and my brother died in a year span, and so sarcasm and satire comes often in those but for somebody to make a joke about dead parents who maybe doesn't have a dead parent could be incredibly distasteful.

Luna Robbie 13:00

Yeah, well, unless they know their audience, unless they know who they're so that's interesting. I've never thought about sarcasm as it relates to connection before. Specifically, yes, I don't know if I've thought about it much discovered and stuff. And speaking of discovering, can you give us just like, a little overview of whatever feel like the most salient, formative parts of your sex life, because we're going to get into some of the work that you're doing now, but like before boudoir photography, before Momotaro, like what, when, when and how did Lindsay learn about sex? Yeah, so I learned about sex

Lindsay Wynn 13:36

a pretty open family. I grew up in Southern California. We had a pool. We were always in swimwear, and bodies were accepted, which was really wonderful. My parents were really open about having conversations in general, but we never got super specific. Like I got on the pill because I got food poisoning, and the doctor had to ask me in front of my mom if I was having sex. So, you know, she was like, yeah. She was like, oh, what? And I was like, Well, you asked. She's like, I thought you were kidding, because you said yes, so openly. And I was like, well, you made an environment where I thought I could so we had loosely touched on it, but never really gotten down

Luna Robbie 14:13

to not sarcasm, very serious, no, no, but maybe too dry

Lindsay Wynn 14:17

or something. Open, family. I started out in my sexual exploration as a semi straight person, though, gosh, the lesbian joke started really young, and I didn't really know why. I guess I always kind of dressed in a way that people were making assumptions about my sexuality. Though I didn't know that. And, yeah, safe, consensual. I moved to New York and started sleeping with all different types of folks. I went to art school, and that's really where I began to have the platform for discovery around what I did and didn't like. And so I'm really grateful to having that open community and and also I think it's really important I. Didn't have to lay claim on a label very early on. So I started, you know, fantasizing and then sleeping with women in my, like, late teens, early 20s, but then didn't have to claim label to maybe bisexuality or pansexuality to, like, I had a girlfriend in my mid 20s, so, you know, open and fluid, really, since kind of the dawn of time, without a lot of rules and rigidity, because it just I wasn't forced to do it, though, lots of shame, lots of shame in Southern California, so maybe I stayed away from it till New York, obviously, for a reason.

Luna Robbie 15:35

Oh, that was I was gonna ask about. Well, oh, there's too many things I want to ask about. Yeah, it's like when you are raised in such an open environment, because I was raised in like, a kind environment, but it was just sort of like, neutral ish, which, like, we know, neutral isn't really neutral, but it's, you know, there was nothing to kind of like push against. It. Was loving and accepting. But then for me, the issues started coming when I started experiencing other people's shame. Do you have any like, memories or moments where you were like, oh, like, it sounds like there was maybe some awareness about it in Southern California. Yeah,

Lindsay Wynn 16:06

I definitely wasn't dating people that were, like, the status quo, even my, like, male hetero partners in my, like, late teens, my first boyfriends went to different schools. They had a different mindset. And by just even dating outside of the generic dating pool. At that age, I garnered a really cool nickname, secret slut, which has clearly stuck with me. And that was the first time I experienced one being like, Oh, if I'm doing something against what people think is normal, they're going to put a name to it. And because, literally, my boyfriend didn't go to the same school as us, they deemed me a secret slut. I was having sex with someone they didn't know, and that enough was to start, you know, my relationship with taboo and sex and identity, yeah,

Luna Robbie 16:53

okay, that's hilarious, because I have referred to myself as a secret slut, but I mean that people give me their secrets, and I'm a global secret keeper for people all over the world. And that has just, you know, kind of evolved. It always happened in my life, but it's obviously happened so much more since the podcast so taboo is another thing I am figuring out or trying to understand and unpack more. Would you say that that is like related to turn on in general or in your own personal life. Like, how do you understand taboo?

Lindsay Wynn 17:26

Oh, that's a great question. Like, because taboo as it relates to sex can sometimes elicit a strong response in a positive way. Yes, that's

Luna Robbie 17:37

what I'm learning about. And in fact, I just read a definition. Oh, if only I could remember where and who said it, but it had to do with, like, taboo being a part of the term. And so I'm curious, yeah, I'm curious what? Because it is positive for a lot of people, but it also like turns upon kind of cultural shame, but maybe inverting it.

Lindsay Wynn 17:58

Yeah, right. So okay, taboo. Where does it start? It's something that is seen, seen as maybe a vice. Maybe taboo relates to vice. So we think about alcohol, drugs, sex, pleasure in various forms, anything that potentially elicits, like a dopamine response. A lot of like taboo and vice related things elicit these dopamine responses. And so we're constantly in this, like, maybe it's purity culture that has

Luna Robbie 18:26

definitely a should attached to taboo. Like, should or should not? Yes,

Lindsay Wynn 18:30

exactly. So purity culture has been like, you can have a little bit of this, but not a lot. And so as humans, maybe we're like, Well, what happens if I want a lot of it. And so maybe taboo is a scale. Maybe taboo is actually a scale of, you know, like shame and stigma to pleasure. I don't know I have to, like, I'd have to think through that, but like, it does feel like they relate to one to one another, and we do have to understand our relationship with it. I think contextually within, like, current events. People think of things as taboo in a very linear way, like, this is maybe something we shouldn't do and don't put more thought to it. But if we begin to break it down, I think something Yeah, like we just said, it can be like, Yes, this is hard, and it can lead to something good, potentially. Or if we manage it correctly, it can be amazing and full of pleasure, but taboo is maybe not the same, also for everybody.

Luna Robbie 19:26

Yeah, no, totally. But if any listeners out there want to share stories about empowering taboo experiences, I'm so like, that's, that's what I've been just like asking people on the DL lately. Okay, back to your sex life, though, what other parts feel like, important, informative, and when you started taking boudoir photos of others, obviously, I understand that when we're holding a container as a photographer, we're not being creepy, we're creating that safe space. But did that kind of expand your ideas or understandings of sex or like tell us what your experiences are like, and then fill in the gaps of. Like, how did we get to Momotaro?

Lindsay Wynn 20:01

Yeah, so boudoir photography started with needing to fulfill a part of myself that was not finding like joy in my commercial photography work. So I worked for beauty brands and was shooting for these, like, really bland luxury beauty companies that were hiring the status quo of models, right? Or actually quite opposite the status quo, right? They were skin very skinny white women that were like 17 years old that none of us really see ourselves reflected in. Right? They weighed 75 pounds, and yeah, blah, blah, blah, just like you know that standard of beauty that we know is not correct and not representative of the general public. So I really wanted to photograph people that were excited and inspired to make something beautiful. So I put out a Craigslist ad, actually, and I was like, Look, do you want to do something that makes you feel beautiful and creative. And have you not had the opportunity to be creative before? Because I think there's some gatekeeping around creative industry. Yes, there is, yeah. And I wanted regular, real people that, like I identified with. That's who I wanted to take pictures of. I wanted them to be appreciative and not annoyed that I was taking pictures of their precious beauty, and I was like, stealing from them. So I got this response from a lot of older men that were like, I wanted to be a ballerina, and I love to dance, but I can't, and I am like, CFO of a fortune 500 company. And I just would like to take some pictures, and want to see what it's like. It could be fun. I want to feel beautiful. And I was just like, This is amazing. And like all these different people walks of life, came to my studio, wasn't all nude. Sometimes they wanted to, like, wear something beautiful and drapey and, like, a fun vintage jacket. They just wanted to be expressive. And that's really where it started. And my background is actually in painting, as a painting major in college, and so it then tied into that. And so I started painting people's bodies instead of using clothes. And so it turned into these, like light bath photos and taking people's clothes off. And just the more I pushed people to in a kind consensual way, of course, but the more I was willing to give a full like open blank slate to these people as humans with nothing else around them except for music and light and color, the more they opened up. And of course, that then in turn, allowed me to open up. I was like, Oh, we are giving space to each other to make this beautiful thing. You are trusting me. I am trusting you. And then together, we have this like product, this photo that's really beautiful and interesting, and then this whole experience to go along with it that is credibly incredibly informative and like a wonderful memory that then, I think, helped me grow in other ways, outside of the studio. How do you how do you duplicate something like that in the world around you, at a bar, at a library, in the street, etc, and so I'm very much affected how I interacted with people. Damn,

Luna Robbie 23:12

that's so cool. Also, I can't help. This is not a question from my list, but I want to hear your thoughts. Okay, so I have started referring to sex as our original creativity, because I feel like that's, you know, literally, like what we're here to do. Do you, in your own personal experience or working with people, see a relationship between creative self expression in a non sexual way and the sexy parts, like the sex sexual self expression? Yes, it

Lindsay Wynn 23:42

doesn't have to be obvious, but if you were to take obvious sensory interactions, sight, touch, sound, smell, those all relate to sex in some capacity, right? And so the way you touch a person, how you move your body, the candle you light, the music you listen to, the rhythm that you're moving your bodies together with. Like all of those are very much creative interactions. So you could, I mean, I'm sure we could dive into that a million ways. But as a creative person, I think for me, and especially since I do work that is directly related to bodies, be them sexual or not, I am definitely influenced by my own creative and then how I show up potentially in the bedroom, right? I talked a little bit about lingerie and like those things that make me feel confident are often things that have to do with esthetics, right? Like that could be the just the bra I'm wearing underneath, and how that lace sits next to a pair of low slung baggy jeans, all of that feels very creative and very intricate to me. Yes,

Luna Robbie 24:50

yes. Well, and even in Primate Research, grooming is a sign of health, and group grooming, like grooming each other, is a sign of health. And I would argue that. Or not argue, but I would just posit that perhaps anything that has to do with total body wellness, physical, mental, emotional is part of our sexual wellness. You know, I mean, what? What you do? Okay, so can we talk about Momotaro, not and I should say we don't have a financial relationship, but hopefully we're building a creative relationship. And, you know, I have used some of the Momotaro products, and also, like, shared them with a friend who was, like, having some rampant yeast infections. And it's night and day difference. Like, you know, I'm lucky that my vaginal health is pretty, pretty solid. But when I feel a little twinge, you know, I'll use this suppository or something, and that is like a base layer of feeling good for me. Yeah,

Lindsay Wynn 25:43

totally. I mean, momotaropathic started out out of necessity, right? I was somebody who also had really good vaginal health the majority of my life, and then I got really sick because I fucked in a hot spring. And, damn, yeah, and so, you know, again sounds hot per its namesake. It is not, do not fuck in an open body of water. People. I was not smart enough, but I will say, did know it was wrong, but I had felt shame and embarrassment by saying no, even thinking that my vulva vaginal health could be at risk because I was younger and I wanted to, like, impress the person. So there's a whole shame thing connected to that. Wow. But for a lot of people, and this is really common now, the over the counter and prescription medicines didn't work for me. So because antibiotic and anti fungal prescriptions are up, we're actually creating massive resistance. So people are not finding these products to be as effective as they once were. This is a statistic. This isn't like, I'm making this up. So we started looking into other options. I was like, I need something. I am miserable. And looking into Ayurvedic, traditional Chinese medicine, Western clinicals, and a lot of new progressive plant research, into making these like super products, and a lot of what we wanted to dress like you said, is like that twinge. What didn't exist before omotaro was preventative care. It's always been this, like post acute symptomatic care. And so for us, stopping it at the twinge is so much more important and beneficial to our bodies than waiting for the infection to, like, run its cycle. So that's like, who we are. And then, you know, of course, all that shame and stigma and the scare tactics as it relates to say, like, what people think of as the feminine care industry is like, really the culture of Momotaro. Because we all know these things maybe aren't taboo, they're actually stigmatized.

Luna Robbie 27:43

Yes, totally. I cannot even count the number of times that on or off pod I've spoken to someone, doesn't matter what gender, and they have some like, ooh, feelings about going down on a vulva because they had a first experience where it like, smelled weird or tasted weird and grossed them out. And I was like, Oh, well, did you let your partner know? And they were like, No. And I'm like, because that's like a sign and like, if the goal of, like, having a sexual partnership is to, you know, take care of each other, like, why didn't you let them know? Like, well, I didn't know how, and I get it, because we don't have scripts for that. But well, actually, would you want to noodle on one right now if we were with a partner that, like, you know, yeah, that had a vulva and it was like, off, like, what do you do? You Is that something you help people with? Like, that part of is that part of your education?

Lindsay Wynn 28:35

Yeah, people ask us those questions all the time. And actually, in the last probably six months, we've had a massive influx of male identifying partners in whatever CIS hetero relationships that are, like, my girlfriend's dealing with this thing and she doesn't know what to do. And like, I want to help, and they want to help, which I'm

Luna Robbie 28:55

just like, that's so, oh, nurturing caretakers. I love it. Okay, okay, well,

Lindsay Wynn 29:02

and because it ends up affecting them negatively, because they do not feel wanted, also, so ends up affecting the like, intimate romantic relationship, if you're not addressing these health concerns, like you said, if you're not being one, honest in an intimate romantic relationship or two, then, like this, potential sickness gets worse, and then their body is really at risk for long term health complications, whether it's pelvic inflammatory disease or maybe something else entirely is going on. Like we do need to talk about this. So if I was to invent a script right now where I'm going down on some girl. I mean, granted, if I'm going down on some girl and she knows anything about me, she knows I'm gonna, like, know what the pH of a vagina should be, right? Like, so I could probably, like, be pretty sciencey, which I don't think is probably, like, the hot recommendation of like, it's

Luna Robbie 29:55

so far when I'm science equals bad.

Lindsay Wynn 29:59

Yeah. Yeah. Like, did you know that the vagina should actually, actually be more acidic, and yours is tasting a little basic, right now and then, really, just like, you need to get the fuck away from, can you describe those tastes for people? Is that possible? I mean, yeah, so, like, an acidic vagina is a healthy vagina, right? That's the same pH of, like beer or as like a tomato. So your vagina should kind of reflect that when a vagina is more basic, that's when you actually have bacterial vaginosis. And unfortunately, I hate that. This is the way people describe it, but that's when you have that kind of fishy odor, and it doesn't taste acidic and bitter. It it tastes, kind of tastes like it smells, I think more so, right? Like a little sour, kind of, yeah, I guess sour is a great word to describe it. And then, like, say, yeast infection, a yeast infection, you're going to know a little bit more per the scent. It's going to have that bread, like, like a yeast smell, and you'll taste it, and usually the vagina is a little bit chalkier, then the consistency will feel different as well. And so maybe you don't need to go deep into the like, PH of your partner, but be like, hey, like, I just want to let you know, like, you're, gosh, I don't know, because you don't want to say it tastes off, because I think it also depends on, is this a first encounter, right, or a because maybe, if it's a 10th, fifth or 10th encounter, you could totally say, like, Hey, your vaginal pH like tastes different. Did you? And you could start by entering in with like, did you use a different soap? Or like, are you on your menstrual cycle? Like, blood is a different pH. And so whether it's from that or anywhere during your hormonal cycle, your your vagina can taste different as well. So they're all things, and I think that's a really good way to enter into it, if you know the partner, yeah,

Luna Robbie 31:48

I think the phrase different from what I'm used to is pretty safe. Obviously, people can have shame spirals about just about anything. And I think, you know, it's important to point out that the care and the relationship is part of that, right? But it's like I would feel so cared for if every person who went down on me, I also for me. If someone's going down on me with a bare mouth, we're at a point in the relation, the connection, where we hopefully can talk about that stuff. And

Lindsay Wynn 32:14

I think that's, that's the important takeaway. And if you know your partner, think and look inward on what is going to feel good to them. Like you said, I think something is different. Is good when you have a relationship with a partner in any way, like you know them, and you know what is their normal, if you will, and if it's a new partner, maybe that's harder, but you can be like, hey, like, is it a, are you feeling well, or is it a like, like, how would you address that? Honestly,

Luna Robbie 32:43

I am at the point where I have enough knowledge as an educator where I would be like, hey, you know, and I have so much experience just like, accidentally turning people off and, like, really, just kind of like, hardcore going nerd zone, that this is where a lot of my like, direct advice doesn't work for a lot of people. However, because I am often now perceived hilariously, because I'm a submissive as an authority figure by my partners. I if I were with someone, I would probably be, well, if I could make it sexy, if they're into it, I would probably touch them and then try to lick the fingers and then be like, does that taste normal to you? I might also start by being like, where are you in your cycle? You know, and kind of getting more information in that direction first. And then, if it was a brand new person and it was, like, our first time, I would probably just be like, Hey, I'm tasting a flavor that is different from what I'm used to. I know all pussies are different. Do you have any like, twinges or feelings like that, you know, for me, like, health is at the first and foremost important like, and I would probably also affirm that I'm first, that I'm having a good time, that they're tasty, that they're yummy, that I'm attracted to them, and that my concern only is for, you know, creating a relationship of honesty and transparency and mutual care, you know. And that doesn't always go over well,

Lindsay Wynn 34:00

but no, I think what you said is super beautiful. I'm tasting something that is different than I'm used to, and making sure you you have those affirming pieces is an absolutely wonderful script. Like, I think that is, is such sage advice, because it's, yeah, it's so personal, it's so caring and and that also begs the question that, like, people can have altered PHS, or, you know, a presence of overgrown Candida, and still want to have a physical interaction, and their body can still totally be in a place of comfort. And that's their personal decision, right? Like, and, like, yeah, like, you know, I'm, I may be a little uncomfortable. I'm having a great time. So, you know, I say that to affirm folks that, like, Look, your vaginal health and pH is going to change, and you should never expect to purify or like, perfect. What that is? Right? Like, our bodies are living, growing change. Changing pieces of science,

Luna Robbie 35:02

yeah, which is so cool, right? The other thing that I've been noticing is whether they're a pussy owner or a penis owner, the food that people eat, I can taste in their bodies, and so if someone has a diet that is like, I can tell by the way, a crotch smells if they drink a lot of alcohol and or consume a lot of processed foods, like I am at that point, because I get sick so easily. So I do eat sugar, I don't do alcohol, and I eat natural whole foods that are very delicious, and I'm good at cooking them. And so that has turned me into like a, like, kind of a hyper sensitive human and so, you know, I think for me too, getting information about that person's experience is important. And also, just yeah, like you said, kind of making sure that they are feeling comfortable in the connection. I also will say I have maybe the lowest disgust factor that I've ever met. I mean, I haven't interviewed anyone who's like into brown showers or anything. But, you know, I know that there are some people that are, like, hyper more sensitive to like anything that's not a flavor that they're used to. And so I probably have a little wider region for like, you're good. All right, I'll keep going. So I think if I were giving someone advice who was like, maybe squick outier Is that, I'll say it, you know, I would switch to hands things. I would switch to adding lube. I would switch to other things, and then I would probably advise them in a non sexual way, to maybe invite a conversation that way. Be like, Hey, here's what I was noticing, here's what I was experiencing, but if they are actually yucked out in the moment, I would not bring it up during the sexual connection.

Lindsay Wynn 36:37

No, no. I think that's smart like you. We always advocate for folks to have conversations about hard topics outside of the bedroom, right? Like talk about play outside of the bedroom. Yeah, watch your boundaries ahead of time. And if you're somebody who doesn't, we'll just, we'll just say it in this way, if you are somebody who doesn't have a lot of experiencing going down on a partner and you might have a reaction or a curiosity to a different body part, what it does, what it tastes like, what it smells like, maybe, you know there are ways to talk about that ahead of time, like, do not pretend you know how to do something, or don't not try to normalize something and experience if it is not normal for you, so that you do not have a reaction. That's not going to feel good for a partner, right? So, so talk about it and tell someone like, the first when I first started going dating and hooking up with women and people with vulvas, I was like, hey, like, I don't have a lot of experience here, so I want to know what feels good. And that was me being shy and then them being like, hell yeah, I'm gonna give you some serious directions. And I was like, this is actually a really great line. I'm so glad you said

Luna Robbie 37:47

that, too, because I'm about to embark upon my first big Fourier into partnered only fans content 52 days of fucking, 52 days of play. And I think every time I hook up with a pussy owner. I want to kind of make it part of a series lesbian lessons. Because, like, I've lived with lots of ladies, but I've never had a long term girlfriend or a long term friend with a pussy at all. And so I'm, like, very, very excited, and I am going to borrow that and use it. So thank you. Yes. And actually,

Lindsay Wynn 38:17

to circle back, and I feel like we've had, we could have 1000 conversations in one right now, which we're doing, but that was also one of my big like the that sexual exploration of women and in a post boudoir world, I don't know if I would have been able to do that because of my own internalized homophobia that like I grew up with and Like things I didn't know. When I started to shoot or photograph folks, I was, like, all of a sudden exposed to like women embodying themselves, and then, like the way bodies moved, and I had the confidence then to be like, Oh, this is actually something I want, and I don't just have to, like, be secretly watching, like, lesbian porn every day, you know, which is not how we inform sexual relationships or our sexual intimate relationships when it is like, Girl on Girl or vulva on vulva, you know, like it's, it's so much there. So I'm really excited for you to have your 52 days, and for you to incorporate it's more vaginas, and this would be really fun. I am so

Luna Robbie 39:22

curious how it's gonna go. There's part of me that's like, what a terrible idea. Like, that's such a stressful thing. And the other part of me that, like, loves intense experiences and loves to just like, set dominoes up and knock them down, is like, well, at the very least, I'll be masturbating a lot. So like, you know,

Lindsay Wynn 39:38

well, to to the general public out there, vulva on vulva, sex results in more orgasms always. That's like, the statistic. So, like, who knows, all of a sudden you might have this, like, explosive 52 days for a totally different reason. Also, like, it's fun, because I think you end up exploring in different ways, if you've been used to. Having sex with a penis the whole time. All of a sudden, I was like, Whoa, there's a whole new world out there, and I'm coming in different ways than I was before when I started, at least when I had a long term girlfriend, which I thought was really interesting. Ah, that's so exciting.

Luna Robbie 40:13

Oh, can we hear about that? A little bit like, how long was it? What did you, you know, it sounds like there's learning experiences. What do you feel comfy sharing?

Lindsay Wynn 40:21

I mean, anything. I think the thing that the big I'll call this one taboo, because it starts from the like, Ooh, this is, there's a lot of like, kind of shit talking about this, and people don't really know what it is. But then, if you know and understand what it is, it's amazing. But the biggest taboo around lesbian sex is, I feel like scissoring, like, what is a vulva on vulva sex. And that consistently was the thing throughout my, like, my first big lesbian relationship was like, how wonderful a vagina on a or a vulva on a vulva feels. I was like, I was shocked. I mean, I try to describe it as, like, imagine how good a mouth feels. You have this, like, tongue and it's wet and it's warm, and a vagina, to me, vulva feels like that on steroids. It's like, more there's like, more surface area, and it's hotter, and it's just like, all of a sudden, yeah, it's It's better. It's like, hand plus a mouth plus, like a body. And then you still get to, like, make out with the person, if anatomically, you can do that, and it's just like a really saturated, and I mean this, like, ooey gooey, loving fucking experience, you're just like, well, it felt like so over the top sensory for me in the best way. Yeah,

Luna Robbie 41:36

yeah, oh my gosh. Okay, there's two things I want to say. The first one is so intimate, like to me, it feels so intimate because it's like juices and juices. I mean, if you're doing the fluid bonded version, I've done it in the world too. That's also hot. But when I have someone that I am just like, No Barriers and I'm with them, very hot, not having to worry about pregnancy, also hot. And also, I just learned that, like, one of my very queer friends was like, because I was like, I love thigh sex. I love to hump a thigh. I love to hump anything. I love to get really wet and hump stuff. And she's like, You are so queer, you don't even know what that's called tribbing. And I was like, what, you know? And so I'm like, Yes, more scissoring. That's why I'm also very excited to be just working with more professional sex workers, because all of my like, starting friends are people that you don't get tested regularly. Their sexual health practices are at the tippity tip top of the safety scale, which I love. Okay. The other thing that for me falls into this little conversation is, I recently was visiting family. I'm gonna talk about my brother. It's not weird, but we were doing a LIKE, Would You Rather this or that question with, like, the siblings. And it was like, Okay, would you rather sleep on like, filthy, dirty crusty sheets for a whole night or wear a pair of dirty, filthy, crusty panties for a whole day? And I was like, This is not an equal question, depending on what body parts you have. Like, I know so many penis owners that will just be naked and sit on anything, and I'm like, What are you doing? You know, I'm like, carry a towel, like Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. What are you doing? So that's just what that made me

Lindsay Wynn 43:15

think of that's so interesting. I mean, yeah, it, it is very different. I'm kind of curious what your answer was,

Luna Robbie 43:21

sheets, crusty sheets. I'm not gonna put my pussy on crusty panties. I would do for sure, like, I'm, like, I don't care. Yeah, I can't, for me even, like, from the time I was a small child, like, texture of clothing is very important, but the visceral, like, imagination that I have of putting gross panties on my pussy, and having it be there for a day, I I would not be well, like I beat it makes me squiggly.

Lindsay Wynn 43:48

I did just find out about this kind of kink where, where people are coming into like their girlfriend's panties, like at the beginning of the day, and then they're wearing like their panties with like their partners, wet cum in it all day. Have you ever heard of this? I haven't. I mean, I'll let dried cum stay on me and go to the grocery store, like in on my neck or whatever, but like in my panties. I mean, how is that for vulva vaginal health? I Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine great like semen is I feel like one of the biggest drivers of bacterial vaginosis, but if it's not panties, and if it's not in your vagina, but, yeah, I mean, it's, it's feels interesting. But, you know, some people that's what they want. They want, like, juicy panties. And I wonder if it's because it emulates the feeling throughout the day of, like, a really wet vagina, you know, and you're just like, you know, when you can super wet, yeah, maybe it's a partner, I don't know. I mean, and maybe it's short lived, right? Like, you're like, I gotta, like, go for my water cup up, and I'm like, at the office, and, like, Jim from accounting is looking at me weird. Now I need to, like, go. So maybe it's short lived, it's all day, I don't know. I

Luna Robbie 44:56

mean, I think if people are getting off on it, if it like, that's to me. Seems like a sweet connection thing, but I am very texture sensitive, and I would just be in my head all day about that. I would totally be up for someone like coming in me and letting that drip down. You know, it's the the opposite of the awkward essentials, drip stick. But I would really have to know that my like body jives with that person. I also just want to say a little PSA, I have been really, really, really diligent about making sure that partners wash their hands and body parts before touching me directly. And it makes such a difference. It makes such a difference, and I look at their fucking cuticles under a light, and I just make sure that there are no open wounds, because I really care about my sexual health, and I just want to invite people of all body parts to wash your fucking hands before you touch each other. We literally, we were at the sex Expo, and we go to a lot of different things like that. And we made a like, a 10 by five foot poster that says, finger me, but wash your hands first. Yes, thank you. Surprised, surprised. And I'm like, that's, you know, and at play parties too. I'm like, Oh, you just touched your own junk. And so can you go wash your hands before, you know, and that's why it's, like, tough for me to want to engage with strangers there, because, like, Oh no, I'm just fucking orgies. And I'm like, Yeah, but like, Could we have risk aware orgies? Totally well.

Lindsay Wynn 46:19

And that's a wonderful thing that you like slightly grazed over, what a fantastic part of the like sex work industry and regulated aspects of porn is that people are really conscientious about testing and their their respect of their partner, and disclosing and all of those things. And those are those are actually pieces that can have such a wonderful effect on on the general sex population, right? Like, that's all about. When you come to me and tell me, like, Hey, I just got tested. Like, when was last time you've been tested? What's your status? Like, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, wow, this person cares. They care about themselves, and that means they care about me and like, so bring those practices in with you, you know, like, it's so, so important, so

Luna Robbie 47:02

so important. Yeah, I think it's just so hot. Like, you know what you said at the very beginning about trust? For me, that's a big piece of trust is just if a partner initiates the conversation with me and starts off by, like, showing me their tests that are, you know, all clear for play, or, if they, like, let me know, you know, whatever their herpes statuses, and it's like, great. I'm like, wonderful. Let's, let's fucking do it. Okay. Back to your expertise when it comes to sex, what do you think you are the best at? And how did you get so good?

Lindsay Wynn 47:34

Such a weird this isn't a weird question. I weird. I have weird answers for it. I'm I'm weird. I'm weird in a great way. I just hope this person, I hope one day down the road, this person listen to this podcast one and maybe this has to do with my name, but I feel like I'm really good at giving blow jobs. I had a great if. Again, this was my first boyfriend, my high school boyfriend. We had dated for like three years. I had, we had our, like, sexual debut together. You know, he was a couple years older than me, but like, just like, such a cool family, such a cool experience, like, in terms of a young, early romantic life, just a good foundation for me, but he really helped me, like, I mean, from like, the tip of the tongue to like, I mean, gave me the most detailed description of how to deal with penis and that type of genitalia, and all the things that were good or bad or or even were an option that we could, like, explore together. And I just remember, and I think it has just created a good foundation for me to be like, great at blow jobs. And now, because it's become something that I am enthusiastic about it really just creates such a wonderful like, I get so turned on, my partner gets turned on. So I do, I love giving head all around but so I didn't, and it's interesting, I didn't have the same experience the first time I started going down on vulvas. And so there's still some curiosity and, like, exploration there, but that isn't necessarily rooted in confidence, there's still enthusiasm, but I don't have the same foundation. Totally relate to that. Here's another weird one, not weird so personal. I was a dancer in my young years, and I feel like I have really good control of my body, and I feel like I am really good at writing a partner, like being really in charge. I don't consider myself a dominant but will absolutely take that role. And I feel like a lot of it relates to me being a dancer growing up, especially like really crazy natural hip mobility and flexibility, like maybe I was a contortionist in a

Luna Robbie 49:38

different life. I love it. That's interesting, because I have a parallel, but almost opposite experience, because I have pretty poor proprioception. Like, it's kind of an autism thing. I bump into stuff a lot. I don't really know where I am in time and space and and I lose even more awareness when I start to get turned on and like, I'm in fuck mode. However, it's like I have a test. Manian sex, Devil part that just takes all the way over. And since I started, you know, working out consistently, ish, I can just do the thing. Now I might get too enthusiastic and fall off sometimes. Or like, I'm suddenly I'm, like, on the side of the bed. Or like, I find myself, you know, for better or worse, I find myself in lots of interesting positions, like just following the feeling. But I have almost no, like, sense of control, but I'm just like, point me, you know? So it's like, I really benefit when I have a partner that can, like, steer me a little bit, or if it's someone who's just, like, down to

Lindsay Wynn 50:31

play, you know, whatever that energy is, I think the the piece to take away is, like, that enthusiasm, right? Like, what are you good at? Like, you're like, Oh man, I am a fucking Tam. I'm literally a fucking Tasmanian devil, and it goes everywhere, and I'm everywhere, and it's amazing. And that energy can be so engulfing. And then where I do I tend to be pretty, like, controlled and strong, and did a lot of yoga, a lot of, you know, ballet, and so it's just so different. And, yeah, like, cool. And whatever your superpower is, whatever, whoever you're, you know, whoever's listening, like, use it. Someone's gonna be fucking stoked on it, yeah. Oh,

Luna Robbie 51:08

my God. Listeners tell us stories about your sexual superpowers. What about for you in terms of receiving? Oh, I'm

Lindsay Wynn 51:14

a bad recipient. When

Luna Robbie 51:18

it has felt juiciest for you to receive then, like, what are some times you can draw upon? So

Lindsay Wynn 51:23

right now, because I'm in this, like, mostly mono relationship with a man who's penis, there's so much I love, I love our build up. The build up is really amazing in terms of, like, going slow, because we're both super busy when it's really intentional, like that, like, I am just the most excited. I really need, like, time and space to create time and space, and then you feel like you're on like, a different planet where I'm like, Whoa. Every like, cell in my body is connected to this person I'm I'm not good at, like, the one offs right now, like, the, you know, kind of five minute fucking thing I can't do, I can, but it's not, it's not really what's getting me there. I really need a lot of, like, attention and touching and really, like human closeness. I really

Luna Robbie 52:18

relate to that. Like, if there's an elevator moment opportunity, I'll take it, but, like, that's not the ideal, yeah,

Lindsay Wynn 52:25

totally, which, you know, like, is to say those elevator moments are so, so hot, but in a busy world, I've had a harder time finding them. I really gotta, like, you know, like, take a really long, hot shower, then get into, like, my cozy, dark bedroom, my partner is already half asleep, and you're kind of having that, like, low lult. You're like, Oh, you're touching. We're touching. And like, now we're fucking, and it's the best.

Luna Robbie 52:54

What would you say is the most helpful thing you have learned about sex? However you define helpful, I

Lindsay Wynn 53:00

think the most helpful thing about sex is that what you are self conscious about, I guarantee you, the person is not thinking about like, if you have gotten to the point where you are semi naked, getting there, your partner is way more excited that your panties are even kind of close to coming off than, like, the mole on your butt that you've hated since you were 10 or, like, whatever I mean, stay in the moment. Don't think about if you have, if you have the ability. Like, don't let your demons get to you, because people are really just so much more excited than I think the world lets us believe

Luna Robbie 53:44

that's so true. And and then when I walk around being excited, people are like, what goes two ways. It goes, Oh, you're so excited. Or it goes, so excited, you know? And it's, it's almost like there's some part of this cultural narrative that I didn't read anywhere or subscribe to that's like, coolness is about being blase, maybe, so you don't get hurt. I don't really know, but I'm like, excitement, to me, is so fun, and my favorite thing about this podcast is learning what other people are literally the most excited about. You know, I

Lindsay Wynn 54:16

agree. I agree. I think that blase attitude definitely comes from a place of being like people don't want to get hurt and people don't and your I'll say these in your words, don't want you to yuck. They're young. We are constantly looking for acceptance, and because we have created this scale of taboo, we aren't we aren't really sure about people's cultural perceptions of what it is that we do like, if that's cool or not, you know, or if they'll like it. So we end up living in mediocrity, just kidding, or having a lack of enthusiasm. I think big, big hopes would be like, if we can find a place where, like, oh, it's like. I love that for you, not my thing, but you know what I am into where you can share enthusiasm, rather than, you know, kind of a lack thereof. It's wanted. You know? I

Luna Robbie 55:09

think sometimes people maybe are also trying to inoculate themselves against a don't want, like, oh no. If I, if I am encouraging that, then they're gonna think, I, I want it, you know, I don't. I don't. These are just noodles. But I'm like, I certainly have experienced situations with people where I have to train them, you know, they find me on the internet. They're like, I'm gonna talk dominant at you directly, because I know you're a submissive, and you're gonna do this, this and this to me. And I'm like, Hi, this is your one free education moment. I don't know you. We need a negotiation, consent conversation if you want to talk naughty at me. I haven't only fans, you know. So it's like, like, training is so exhausting, so I get that part. The other thing that this is helping me realize is, like, maybe my history of not really quite getting the social signals right has led me to sort of expect random rejection, or I call them human landmines, like explosions of yucks people yucking at me. So it's like I don't even have the expectation that I can even, like, pretend and like circumvent the big rejection explosion. So I don't know how to help people with that, but I guess if anyone out there is, like, looking for friendship in like, it's okay to get rejected. I got you.

Lindsay Wynn 56:14

I think maybe I Gosh. I mean, obviously we're not going to dive into that, but hearing that and knowing you not very well, but just in this conversation, I bet people are just into, well, I'm not going to make assumptions, but I imagine for so many folks, it's incredibly intimidating that you are living a very authentic Life, and people are have a hard time. Like, it's, it's with queerness. It's very, I feel like similar ideology for queerness, right? Like, yeah, queer people are so in them, like in themselves, and that causes a lot of fear, because we've created so many social and cultural norms that have falsified this idea that we can achieve a certain thing, whether it's this American dream or success or happy family, blah, blah, blah that's tied into one kind of that we need to follow this path, and if we don't, then what? Then all of this stuff that we've been looking for and working so hard towards can be seemingly meaningless, and someone like yourself, while who is I feel like very intuitive and understanding of their needs and communicative about that that can be very probably like, upsetting to people. They're like, Well, I was, I was taught that I had to make this very femme woman feel like I was the dominant because that's how I'm supposed to show up. And that's such a common theme we see because we do so much in the BDSM world, is people making assumptions around dominant submissive relationship. And it tends to be like very CIS, hetero, masculine men that are, like, treating women like this because they think that they should and they have to, also because they think that they have to show up that way for them to succeed. You know, yeah. And if they can't, then, like, what is their identity? Right? Like, it's, there's so many conversations like this happening adjacent in these like, what is toxic masculinity? What is male identity? How do we create, like, really beautiful, empathetic places for men to also discover. Like, they don't have to do this. You don't have to do it, you don't have to do it. It's not that fun. It's not that fun if it's not consensual, and if we don't understand why we're doing this? Yeah,

Luna Robbie 58:22

I think I've really enjoyed talking to dudes and kind of pointing out the places where they're, like, emotions or their superpowers, or, like, these beautiful, nourishing connections. Like, that's what guys tend to get out of, like, hanging with me, is I just, you know, I reflect that. It's also funny. I mean, I the other direction, kind of what to go back to, what you said is, like, when a guy's like, Oh, I'm supposed to dominate you, like this. I'm like, Yeah, so do it, though, but you need more knowledge. And you actually need to be able to hold my, like, very large apparent power, you know, and all of these things from like, hey, and he'll dominate me. We'll talk about it ahead of time, but you have to hold on to it, you know. And so, so finding someone, I mean, I have one person in my life who can consistently hold my big enthusiasm, energy and desire, and that's the one that like when I get so tangled up in my own limbs that I like, fall off the back seat of the truck. We just, like, laugh about it, and he's like, yeah, yeah, you're squiggly. Come here, you know, let me thank you some more. So, so

Lindsay Wynn 59:11

amazing. And I think not that we're gonna dive into that, like, BDSM conversation, but people don't realize that the submissive is actually in control, right? You're creating the boundaries. You're creating the safe word. You're like, this is what I'm going to need to be dominated and like, the dominant has to hold that. And that's a that's a lot of understanding and a lot of empathy, and requires a lot of emotional

Luna Robbie 59:33

intelligence. Yeah, both people have to be able to check in with their own needs in real time too. I mean, in the perfect world, right? We're also humans, and I really strongly believe in getting out of this weird culture of shoulds and then, like, judgment, and really just creating community where we can be held when it gets bumpy along the way, you know, and doing our best in the meantime, and just being like, well, I'm doing my best, and I'm in line with my values, and so I can continue to grow. But. Like, I'm not into this attacky culture, okay, but I'll get off my soapbox. But I would like to hear a standout moment, a story, maybe where you experienced a moment, or a scenario where there was a hot, explicit, yes, communicated between you and a partner that led to, like, sexy wonderfulness. The first

Lindsay Wynn 1:00:21

time I tried anal was an explicit, sexy Yes, and I was probably in my young 20s with a long term partner, and I was traveling to Puerto Rico, and we were flying from New York down there, and we took this plane, and I was so scared, because I was scared of small planes at the time and or just like in general, they freaked me out. And we landed in Vieques, which is an island off of San Juan, and the power was out, and we were staying at a really fancy hotel with powers out. So, like, everyone's 1000 degrees, like we had, maybe had, like, a sexy rum cocktail or two, and then went back to the hotel room. And, like, I don't really know why or what it was daytime, and like the power was out, so the room was dark, but like, the curtains were blowing in the wind, and it smelled like, you know, the tropics and salt water, and everything just felt really rich and decadent. And it was an enthusiastic exploratory, yes, around around anal. And it's, you know, it started with toys. It started like by the edge of a bathtub, like in this big, open, expansive hotel room. And it was just something that was so safe and but so out of the absolute blue. It wasn't something we hadn't really talked about before. And so how wonderful that at this time, everything happened correctly. It was like, Do you like this? Do you want to explore this more? Do you want to keep going like all these checks along the way that then just led to this, like, perfect, wonderful, beautiful experience of, like, first time daytime anal,

Luna Robbie 1:02:11

a question that's burning in my mind, did you have lube with you?

Lindsay Wynn 1:02:17

We must have had something. I mean, we were kind of on this, like, sex vacation, like, really hot hotel room. I don't remember the like, lube exchange, because, like, this was like hours of having sex together. And so there it must have been present, okay,

Luna Robbie 1:02:36

just because I just have to ask, because a lot of people know that I'm a butt slut, and so then they want to get more information from me. And I'm like, Well, tell me about your experiences so far. And sometimes it does not include lube. And I'm like, step one, include lube that's so hot it also feels like there's something like spicy. I'm learning to appreciate like this, the like hotness of secrets, where, you know, there have been these parts of me that are like, Oh, secrets. I don't know, you know what I'm learning how, like, privacy and secrecy can be part of this, like, steamy thing that doesn't necessarily have to be non consensual, although a lot of secrets are and so it's like, I feel like there's something about the power being out, where it's like, already you're on vacation, but then it's like, Time Out Of Time Out of time into ass. Yeah, you have more experience with vacation sex. It sounds like, is it was that, like, the kickoff or like, was it before? Was it after? Like, tell us about vacation sex and non vacation sex as

Lindsay Wynn 1:03:34

you experience it. Yeah. I just think for me, that definitely, like, kicked it off. Like, how are we creating, like, a beautiful environment that can create something interesting? And I felt like that was, like, safe in that time, right? We don't have to dive into, like, the deep anal conversations, because you're like, Okay, are we thinking about mess? Are we thinking about this blah, blah, blah. There was just a safe space where, like, that was all kind of handled and and easy, and so I think there sometimes can be sex, sex exploration outside of the comfort of your own home. Because for me, I tend to live a pretty like right now. Work is this focus, and I'm having sex with my partner, but sometimes it is, like, maintenance, you know, you're like, Okay, we need to have sex right now. And it's and it's, and it's hard to do that when you're exhausted and you're coming home from a long day at work, etc, and so yeah, for me, I think, I think it can be okay to have, like, very diverse, rich experiences that don't happen as often, right? Right? We think about sex as this, like, you know thing that's like, oh, sex, hot, steamy, blah, blah, blah, but it's like, no sex can be wonderful and intimate and, like, a little bit regular and still incredibly fucking fulfilling. You don't have to always have on a lingerie, the toys, the this, the that you know, you can save that for, like, a different. Special occasion, you know, like, that's totally okay. And so I always try to promote that, that like having a sexual experience with a partner of any kind is really wonderful, and can enhance intimacy and maintain it. And then you can always set up a scenario where you have room to explore in a safe way. I

Luna Robbie 1:05:21

love that so much, and I really agree. And based on how our human dopamine systems work, like, if it's a heightened experience, I'm seeing this with air quotes bunny ears every time that, it's just a new baseline. And so then it's not as exciting, whereas I really love, you know, and like, yes, planning, but sometimes planning creates all this pressure. And so I've also talked to people who've had issues where they like, put all this thing on a big vacation, but they were so, like, crinkly about it, that once they got there, they just got in a fight, and then it was the opposite of sexy. And so I think, you know, creating room, like you're saying to actually, like, be where we are in life, and we have to obviously know ourselves and our partner and communicate enough about that. And I know it gets bumpy when we're on different on different pages and we have a partner, but I really think that that's a great way to do it. It lets you ride the roller coaster. Yeah, that's

Lindsay Wynn 1:06:09

a really important thing to know, right? You? I don't think planning a sex vacation if you are not having a healthy sex life with your partner is a good idea. You need to be having regular at least whatever your regular is sex every now and again, so that you're not going from zero to 100 like, that's not fair. That's going to create a lot of division in terms

Luna Robbie 1:06:31

of that pressure. Yes, yeah, yeah, totally, yeah, you know. And I even did that to myself, because I've been experimenting with publicly sharing, like, bucket list items of the month. And I, after three months of doing that, I was like, Oh, my best experiences are all surprises, you know. And at the same time, I don't mind being like, well, didn't get to any of those, you know, because I don't have judgment around that. Because I'm like, I did all this awesome stuff instead. And I still think it's valuable to put on my radar. What I am curious about, I will find a person to take me on a date who likes feet, and we're gonna play footsie under the table. Maybe someday we'll see that's just like one of my ongoing ones. But where would you like to go on your next sexy vacation, somewhere that requires no

Lindsay Wynn 1:07:18

like, this is kind of a weird one, but like, intellectual travel, so like, maybe this is somewhere I've been this I want the space to be or like the location to be less special than, like, the place where I'm going to rest, if that makes sense. I spent so much time traveling, like, through Europe and Asia, like learning about countries and cultures and having these itineraries that were back to back to back to back to back that your your body is exhausted and like, Yeah, I'm kind of in need of like, a beach and a California king bed and a hot tub and

Luna Robbie 1:07:54

those elements. I just got back from my first all inclusive resort, which I grew up in a family that always did travel, where we go and we learn and we adventure, and that's, you know, kind of like you're describing, like it's, it's a trip, but it's like a cultural experience. I learned Absolutely, very little about Mexico other than the resort industry exists there. And I was like, Oh, I see it's a different setting. And there were lots of hot people that I ended up not hitting on for logistical reasons, but they had an amazing in room Jacuzzi tub, and also seven hot tubs across the property. And the jacuzzi tub looked out an open window and had a balcony. And then there was the king size bed with posters. And I was like, Oh, if only I had someone to tiny to them, or vice versa, you know. And there was a thing on the balcony, and it was full of other attractive people that dang I mean, next time, maybe I'll hit on someone, but I really hear what you're saying about, like, consciously choosing a space that is just for rest, without the pressure of, you know, enjoying, I guess, the place. And

Lindsay Wynn 1:09:00

maybe that's a staycation, and that's something that can be more accessible for people change the setting in a way that isn't like, I gotta get on a plane to do this, but yeah, maybe it's like, I'm gonna drive 45 minutes north to the beach, or like, Oh, I love Palm Springs. Is

Luna Robbie 1:09:14

always a good, easy one. I was just gonna say I love Joshua Tree and Palm Springs, and they have so many good outdoor hot tubs and bathtubs that I have been bookmarking in my Airbnb space stars, you know, beautiful,

Lindsay Wynn 1:09:27

like, nobody around too. So you're like, I can walk naked in the desert if I really want to, yes,

Luna Robbie 1:09:31

and do my photo shoots and do all of it, yeah, and probably, I mean, you probably still have to be careful about sound carrying because in flat spaces. So I would make sure to, like, limit my violent sounding noises. But also, like, people are used to hearing fucking noises. Can't help it, coyotes. Similarities, yeah, it's just a coyote. So what would you say are your hopes for yourself in the realm of sex going forward, that can be. Either professionally and or, like, what's on your bucket list personally,

Lindsay Wynn 1:10:03

I'll speak to my personal experience right now is that I'm, you know, I'm in this, like, kind of new, newly long term monogamous relationship, and we're having incredibly fulfilling sex in this moment. And I'm really excited to think about how that that evolves. And I know that's weird, because it's great, but I do think it's important to think about that, to be intentional about about it. And so I don't know what that is, which kind of defeats the purpose of the question, but I'm really hoping that we can create, like, what I'm just talking about, like, go do something different. Like, let's go explore. Let's go see what is like, different for you. My partner is very new to this world in general, so we're having to have a lot of questions taught vernacular, all the things like I said, it is incredibly fulfilling, but the exploratory part is going to be very new and fresh. And I'm really excited. I'm excited for him. I'm excited to see how that goes. That's always just a very personal anecdote, and so we'll see in like, my sex bucket list is probably, like, a big orgy, right? I've never had, I've never had, like, big group sex that, like, feels safe to me, right? Like, totally, you know, a threesome here and there that was, like, maybe not under the right circumstances when I was still probably drinking a lot in my mid 20s. And so, like, what does that feel like in a way that feels really good? And I don't know if that exists for me. Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't.

Luna Robbie 1:11:39

Well, there's only one way to find out, and that's, that's the other side of exploration. It's like, I'm fucking resilient. I can go into situation and try and be like, not for me, you know, whereas for some people, it's like, traumatizing because they have expectations and judgment and all the things. And it's like, you know, also. And just, just to throw this out there, not, not putting any pressure there, but I am planning so 52 days of fucking starts on my birthday, April 30, and the plan is to finish it up, do the grand finale. 52 days after April 30 is the summer solstice, June 21 so I am planning on having some sort of sex party, or play party, or day party. And my idea is like, maybe there's a regular aspect that's just like the gallery. Maybe I'll sell some circles, and I want to have a VIP area where to get into the VIP area. It's not connected to money. It's, do you have a test and Do you solemnly swear that you've had, you know, only protected situations since the test that you have in the last week? Sort of situation, I got to figure out how to noodle on it, language it. Maybe we'll have some partnerships that we can have do that testing, we'll see. But that's the type of orgy, because I would need that level of safety because, because I love laurels, but sometimes they break, you know, sometimes they get pushed to the side. Condoms are great. Sometimes they fall off, and so I still want to have as much safety as possible. But, yeah, I imagine three orgy rooms. Maybe

Lindsay Wynn 1:12:58

it's not even a whole like everybody to get like, yeah, maybe I'm just like, there and like, men are fucking. Like, I've never been in a situation where two men are fucking and I'm there, you know. Like, maybe, yeah, you know, I don't know. I don't know. World,

Luna Robbie 1:13:13

I have a sex party space that's three stories, and there's, like, circular platforms, like in the middle, and the outer ones are just viewing. So if you're on the outer side, you can view inward and like, bottom floor is everyone. Middle floor is like, maybe I don't know penis owners. And top floors pussy, I haven't really. I mean, they would have different things on different days, right? Like, probably kinkier The higher you go, depending on the theme of the week. So that's the long term vision. I'm

Lindsay Wynn 1:13:38

viewing deck. I love it. I love it, especially voyeurism. I have one girlfriend who's particularly into voyeurism right now, and I wake up and I'll open her texts, and she's made her texts, they like disappear after seven days because there's such a high volume, and I would have such just like the most why she and she loves to send it. It's part of the experience that she has someone safe to send this to, and it's like a new person who has been like, spanking her for 10 hours straight, a new couple that she's, I mean, it's just like the most wonderful she should come and be on your face, I

Luna Robbie 1:14:09

was gonna say, center my where, if she ever needs another person to, like, witness, where she wants to share Voice Memo experiences with us. That's so cool. Yeah,

Lindsay Wynn 1:14:17

it's really cool. She's, she's son, she or the title of our the text message she titled his disgusting. It's like, disgusting ladies or something like that, like something kind of contrasting, like elegant, disgusting women or something. I'm like,

Luna Robbie 1:14:33

I love it. I'm always like, my favorite, nicest perverts, like, like, who are my who are my perverts out there. Yeah, that's exactly.

Lindsay Wynn 1:14:41

That's exactly. That's the vibe for sure. So

Luna Robbie 1:14:44

good. Okay, what else do we need to know

Lindsay Wynn 1:14:47

about your sex life? If anything, I think a good thing to know about me and my sex life is it's ever changing. So I'm having sex with all different types of people, all different types of ways. And depending on the year, week or day that could be changing. Obviously, I'm monogamous right now, but I never limit myself on what my future expectation of my sex life should be, could be, would be, and I always include aftercare. Obviously, I started a sexual wellness company, vaginal wellness company for a reason, and having the appropriate tools products in place has allowed me to enjoy and expand upon my ability to have fun and diverse sexual experiences. Like, if you're doing anal for the first time, that's going to create micro tearing, put something on your bum after you do it, no matter what. And with that, then I'm allowed to, like, leave that big dopamine rush and only think about that, not think about the yeast infection I'm gonna get in my butt, like, or whatever it is, BV irritation, micro tearing, all that stuff. So mine, yes, aftercare, but take that with what you will create an aftercare routine for yourself.

Luna Robbie 1:16:02

I love that. I love, I mean, I love the idea of of creating that space for ourselves to nourish ourselves. I also am like now fantasy brain going about a partner that you know wants to like, Worship Me in aftercare by just making you know that's part of our shared thing of like, because when I was applying the salve to myself, I was at an Airbnb, I had gotten this custom request that was just like, treat yourself like a goddess for X amount of time. And I was like, Okay, what would make me feel like a goddess today? What do I have with me? And just like rubbing, like rubbing the salve on my pussy, to me feels, I feel valuable when I do it. I don't know. I feel like I'm, I don't know, putting the drops in the bathtub. I fucking love it. So damn Okay, are you ready for a couple? I mean, we've been pretty good at noodling, but fantasy noodles. Okay, yes, if you had to be. If we now live in a world where everyone has to be a sex worker for two years minimum, and part of our civil service or civil duty, how would you serve? What type of sex worker would you want to be? I think my regular,

Lindsay Wynn 1:17:01

my regular life, I would absolutely strip. I would love it. I would thrive in it. I would dance. I would like, I mean, the whole pole culture is so erotic to me. I would fucking eat it up. But I think I would want to go full service, but I would only do that occasionally, right? Like, I think my norm would be dancing. Like I said, I love lingerie. I love the idea that's always been a big part of it. When I was, like, 16, I'm like, I would be a great stripper. And, like, I thought about that. Those are thoughts I had, but I didn't have access, or didn't think I could do that, right? Yeah, yeah, totally. And I love those, like, moments where you take somebody to the next level and, like, maybe it's penetration occurs on either end of the spectrum, right, fulfilling somebody's like, penetrative fantasies sometimes, or whatever it is, like that would be me, like my Friday special,

Luna Robbie 1:17:57

or you just use the dancing to filter, and you're like, Oh, When I feel a spark, you you best selected you, or you can apply, you know, or maybe, maybe they're just, they have to be the right kind of worshiper, you know, totally I

Lindsay Wynn 1:18:09

would need to be. I would the dancing I could do any day, all day long. That's my, my civic duty. And then it would have to be a select few of like, okay, let's do this.

Luna Robbie 1:18:18

Yeah. I fucking love that. I love that if you had an unlimited budget to build your perfect creation, space, playroom, dungeon, mansion, Palace, Castle, hotel or etc, what would it be like? What toys would it have? What would it feel like? It's interesting.

Lindsay Wynn 1:18:36

I think the base of it would start with that first experience that I talked about with, like, the anal in Bucha and all of this. So like, there would have to be some airiness to it, but like, a lot of kind of, like, caverns, right? So maybe it's a place that is really open and airy from the outside and you can explore. And maybe there would be, like, maybe lots of lot of, like, warm, filtered air, so, like the curtains were moving. So maybe, if there was like, group sex happening, you might catch, like, someone's like butt in the wind, or like, a little bit of fucking to this side, and then somebody like, you know, going down on another person over here. But you wouldn't see all of it, so there would be some, like visual secrecy, but like, a lot of, like, you'd catch it for a moment. So a lot of that's like a wiggly

Luna Robbie 1:19:23

maze, yeah, wiggly, like, sheer curtain. Oh, that's such a hot idea. A

Lindsay Wynn 1:19:29

wiggly curtain maze would be really good. And then, like, yeah, like, different spots, like levels, like, I kind of like the idea of, like, Yeah, you like, walk down some stairs and there's a bed up there, but then maybe you see somebody, and they're like, hanging from a, you know, they're on like some platform bed up here, like, I don't remember, you know, the standard in New York City.

Luna Robbie 1:19:50

I've never been there, but, yeah,

Lindsay Wynn 1:19:52

so they have this whole, like, one side that was built for voyeurism, essentially, where, like, people would be fucking. Up against the windows, but from, like, 100 feet up, so you couldn't really make it out. But I like that idea. I like that, like, here's a little bit, here's a lot of little tease, so a lot of teasing in my sex

Luna Robbie 1:20:13

room. I love that. I'm practicing teasing this month. That's one of my themes this month, as I'm learning about teasing, because I'm always, like, naked now, you know. And I'm learning, I mean, also Instagram, once you wear clothes, so, you know, wow. So I'm hearing multi story,

Lindsay Wynn 1:20:31

yeah, it's maybe, like a modern kind of, like, mid century building with soft edges and lots of curtains and, yeah, we would have to invest a lot into, like the control of the forced air, so wind

Luna Robbie 1:20:44

scent. I love that. That is a great series of answers. Lovers. You can find Lindsay on the internet, at Lindsay win on Instagram, at love Momotaro. And you can visit the website, momotaropathica.com links are in the description below. Lindsay, thank you so much for being a guest on X stories.

Lindsay Wynn 1:21:06

It's my pleasure. And happy early birthday. I can't wait to hear about 52 days of fucking i.