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Luna

And our guest today is the owner and operator of Bella's Hacienda Ranch, a legal brothel located in Wells, Nevada. Founded in 1950, the premier adult entertainment destination in Northeast Nevada provide a safe and lawful option for sex workers to prosperously practice their trade. Serving customers from across the globe. Bellows offers a myriad of exclusive amenities, including VIP accommodations and a selection of exquisitely designed erotic specialty rooms.

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Luna

And also our guest has founded and funds the Unnest, the foundation, an action group with a mission to support Nevada sex workers and advocate for prostitution legalization throughout the United States. Welcome, Madame Bella.

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Madame Bella

Oh, good morning, Wyoh Lee. How are you today?

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Luna

I am fantastic and so excited to talk to you. My listeners know that it's been like a longstanding dream of mine to learn more about this industry and to maybe one day myself be a madam. We'll see, we'll see. And so I would love to hear if you could start off by telling us if you had to rate yourself on a sexual shame meter, with ten being the most full of shame and one being not at all full of shame, where do you fall right now?

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Madame Bella

Minus one. Oh, I love.

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Luna

It. Does it ever spike back up, or are you just like, nah, I'm good.

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Madame Bella

Never spikes back up. We're here to be human. We're here to be sexual. We are here to be safely sexual. Yeah.

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Luna

Were you always like that low, or was there an evolution that got you there?

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Madame Bella

There's always an evolution component because we are always working to become more of who we came to be. And I know that sounds a little bit spiritual, but isn't that really what we are? But we're in these bodies for a short period of time. How do we plan on being human correctly? Yeah, and having the fun. It's the touch.

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Madame Bella

If we're unable to have a touch y be in the body at all. It really isn't about how hard we can work, how much we can eat or drink. It's never really been about that. We just learned how to do that.

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Luna

Man I'm a big fan of touches okay. Can you give us your personal definition. Tell us what is sexy to you. How do you understand that word.

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Madame Bella

Sexy is open compassionate an inner beauty that shines forward for the world to see.

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Luna

What do you think counts as sex. And I know in the brothel land like that definition is important, right.

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Madame Bella

Correct. The ladies that work at Bally's, they really have a culture. And much like your great interview with Gigi. There is something about it that's beyond the outer appearance of another human. And that getting into the soul level of allowing that individual or group of individuals that wants to be with that courtesan is what is explosive for the whole relationship, for however long that experience happens to be.

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Madame Bella

Yeah.

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Luna

So at the brothel there is a delineation, like is sex pretty much understood as P and V sort of stuff, or is everything cat like, as you call it, oral sex? Like, do people negotiate specifically about that?

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Madame Bella

On the website there's bios, all right. And there's a lot of the ladies are moving towards what I call the girlfriend experience, which to me is an opening that should be in the third decade of the 21st century. We should be able to do that to be what each one desires. The buyer, the seller. There's more of this coming together than ever before.

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Madame Bella

Although years I've been as a madam, the line seemed harsh and like a black marker. And now it's as if there isn't really a line. They just. It flows. And people, especially in the industry of unders, standing, sexuality, it's beautiful. It's like a rose that's just looking like it's ready to bloom. It's a tight bond and that's where I believe we are in our open sexuality.

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Madame Bella

And we would like for that bloom to open rather slowly and be fragrant and take its time because we know once it opens all the way we might be departing. So it's time for us to enjoy that very slow opening and be open to what another person has to offer us. Because in a, I'm going to call it a sensual sexual encounter.

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Madame Bella

It's a win win for both if they're open. Another words. Each one leaves the experience with something, and it can be even more than the climax, and the other will never know how they affect the other. And yet I hear things like that from the ladies where it's evolutionary. They're evolving. You know, they may come to me in their 20s or even their 30s, and this is something that it's really important.

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Madame Bella

They want to find their sexuality beyond being a mother or being a girlfriend or coming from a home that's incredibly productive. So I, I see it all, and it's beautiful. Yeah. On the. I've given more hugs to ladies and clients, and I know I would be in the Guinness Book of World Records. I know it.

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Luna

I love that the Guinness Record of most hugs. I love that. I think that's such a good point too, is, you know, this idea of a girlfriend experience. And I was recently on a private call with one of my listeners who was going through a divorce and was like, I don't know, I feel like I feel like that marriage was the most expensive sex worker anyone could have ever ordered, and that those were his words, you know?

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Luna

And I was thinking about how, you know, to some degree, every human relationship we have is a transaction. It's just how satisfied are either party with what they're actually getting, and how willing are they to talk about their actual needs? The courtesans I have interviewed so far seem to have a really like, solid understanding of their own needs and their own value, and it seems like there's a lot of like, delicious balance, like based on what I'm what I'm hearing so far.

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Luna

Would you say that feels accurate to you?

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Madame Bella

It does feel accurate with the courtesans of today where they're different, they're cut from different cloth, and they actually are excited to talk about it. You know, the clients that frequent Wells, whether it's women or couples or gentlemen, it's the one place where they're really safe to talk about what they need. And the ladies that choose to work with me learn how to do this, to learn how to be good listeners and compassionate, non-judgmental, and to help the client heal.

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Madame Bella

We are either here to just have like a really quick thing or fantasy thing or a healing so that divorce situation. And if we talk about that for just a second, you know, it's like a homeostasis. So, well, I got used to this for 20 years or ten years. And all of a sudden that particular relationship had come to an end.

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Madame Bella

But it's still awkward. And I believe with all my heart that men are more affected sexually because if anything thing hits their self-esteem, parts of their body go on hold or mute for a while and they just don't want to work. And so how do they get past that? You know, and so I believe that divorce is an opportunity to move forward.

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Madame Bella

Yeah. However, it's difficult for the mom and the woman. There's just something that seems fragile about it. It's like we go into, like, fractions or right, little bits, and then we've got to find a way to put herself back together, but not the same. Yeah. New and improved. Who are we now? What kind of relationship do we want to have?

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Madame Bella

Do we want to have a relationship? So, you know, you take people that really got tired of splitting all their stuff and they they go to a different lady, maybe a different lady every week. Yeah.

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Luna

I'm a huge variety fan.

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Madame Bella

Yeah. You know, they want to know what it's like to be with all these different nationalities or races or even kind of a sexual preference type of thing. I am never against any of that. All I am an advocate of is expression safely. Yeah.

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Luna

I love that.

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Madame Bella

And then it's a win win. Even if someone says, well, you know, that was different. But I did it once. Or they go, oh, well, I could do that again. I know that. You know, we do. We get a lot of that. And of course, I answer the emails. Right. And I'm so well aware by how gentlemen or ladies or, you know, the fiancé or the girlfriend that wants to give her or her guy an ultimate experience.

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Madame Bella

There's more of that out there. Oh, and to me, that's like being really secure in who you are. Where maybe in the olden days, people were like, what the. You know, here's something else that I really, really think is fascinating. All right. Typically in a relationship, the couple, no matter how they do the sexual preference, the one thing that stumbles the whole relationship is talking about sex.

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Madame Bella

You know, it's like you start out and then someone wants to be experimental. And the other one says, well, I thought you liked how I did it.

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Luna

That was true for me. That is why this podcast exists, because in my early relationships, every time I'd be like, hey, so like a fantasy or a role play or like other people do it. I didn't have the communication skills and we didn't have the security. And you know, I am single now. So I really relate to that.

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Madame Bella

That's something that relationships should understand. It's a stumbling point in the relationship if someone fails to understand this is never about taking something personally. What happens in our mind is we're sex is yes, it comes out in other parts of our body, but the mind, you know, it's so vocal at times that come in for very short parties.

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Madame Bella

They are what I call the guy on the go. Okay. And I always and I always share with them. You better have your head in the game. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This isn't, like, ready. This down here isn't going to follow through. Yeah. So we can always gets a big laugh, but it's part of the fun us of her being human sexually.

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Madame Bella

Yeah. And then, you know, you got the guys that come on of the one in our. You know, I've been behind the bar answering the door or whatever it is more than anybody should probably have ever had to do that. But I got to I got you. And they would say, I just, I just need an hour. And I'd say, that's great.

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Madame Bella

What are you going to do with the other 57 minutes? And I would get exactly that response, but it would also take the pressure off. The nervousness off. Right. And then many times I'll feel like if ladies will do this and I do help to clean this, but I say, look, it is really able to and it comes very quickly.

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Madame Bella

You can.

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Luna

Offer him.

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Madame Bella

The opportunity if he's able. Okay. Comes up for a second down and I said that will take the pressure off. That will help relax him because he's stepping into our world. Yeah. You know, we aren't stepping into his apartment because then we're nervous, right? Yeah. His world. And it's kind of like Hogan, you know, or Saint Andrew's cross.

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Madame Bella

I know.

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Madame Bella

So, you know, we look at those and we we chuckle about it. But when they come into our world, they want something or some experience, it's going to help them relax so that they can leave with an experience that they're going to remember their whole life. Yeah. You know, they may never remember the lady's name. They will remember what happened to was.

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Madame Bella

And they can't. It's first time. It's forever. Yeah. So what's so hot? Was it orchestrated correctly? We all remember our first sex, right? Oh, there you go. That was swell. But we remember. So this experience, it gets to sort of delete that one. So if that was the cake we get to have this experience be the icing.

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Madame Bella

Yeah. Let's make it sweet.

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Luna

Love it.

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Madame Bella

You know for.

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Luna

You yourself in your life. Did you ever get a helpful sex talk sex ed lesson or a lesson in consent when you were growing up?

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Madame Bella

No.

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Luna

Do you feel like the brothel is the grown up version of that for people.

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Madame Bella

In that time? You know, that's amazing. Thank you for that. That's awesome. And I'm going to say yes. And you know, when I answer the door and let's say I'm tending bar and the bartenders do it sometimes, you know, I always tell the gentleman, I said, you know, whatever you think is going to happen in that room or behind that closed door multiple times come because you have no idea how it's going to unfold.

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Madame Bella

So it happens all the time, because it's a totally different experience than walking into a motel with just a consensual person. This is a fantasy. It's a destination who's arrived there for a particular reason. And his big question mark in his mind is I think I know what's going to happen, but he doesn't because chances are he's never been with that nationality or that race or that particular woman that looks at him, and he can have exactly what he desires.

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Madame Bella

And to me that's amazing. That's what brothels are about. And the guys that come there, the girls or the couples, they want to know they're safe. Yeah. Actual medical testing is important. They're coming. They're clean. They want to leave the experience clean. Yeah. That's really what they're paying for. The sexual sensual experience.

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Luna

Are there requirements for people who are attending Bellas to, like, show their STI results?

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Madame Bella

No.

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Luna

Okay. But hopefully they are coming in with an all clear set of tests.

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Madame Bella

Well, you know, we do as courtesans, even though I'm the madam. Now, we understand what to look for. What's the trickiest one is chlamydia. You know, because there's just no cells. Right. You know, it's the hands. Yeah. Really? Yeah. So, you know, it's that kind of thing is I mean that's just the way it is in the 53 years I believe it is that or 52 that we've had legalized sex work.

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Madame Bella

Because I really don't like that other word. There's been no HIV. You know, all those things happen out there. The public safety that legalization is really I'm going to call it the test model that we have been the test. Yes. The test has only been in rural Nevada. We have proven it works. However, I'm going to share that.

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Madame Bella

Would it ever be legal across the country. It would be a good thing that people had that ability to have a particular destination. However, I am a firm believer on the criminalization. Because I'm going to say the ability to have a sexual encounter should never be labeled as criminals.

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Luna

Yeah I agree.

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Madame Bella

So I believe in both. I just know and I'm an expert in the legalization. And I see a beautiful scenario really with working courtesans and clients. And they make a lot of money. Yeah. And that's it's a short career, basically. So where are they going? What's next? What are we going to do with the money? Because there's always multiple things we're supposed to do while we're here.

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Madame Bella

Like, you know, you're looking at the bottom thing. Well, put it on the record, because unless you write it down, the universe has no reason to align everything for you. Yeah. And let's face it, at some point, I should pass the baton. Would I be thrilled if the woman. Yes. Especially one that understands.

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Luna

Yeah, well, I think we're fostering that right now. I would actually love to hear your professional origin story. Like how you got to where you are now. And do you currently identify yourself as a sex worker?

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Madame Bella

I have a couple of things that make me align with being a sex worker. Okay. Did I sell myself? Yes. Okay. It wasn't in a legal environment. Okay. I feel that when I stepped on with my late husband and stepped into this whole brothel thing, he was older. He wasn't particularly the nicest guy in this lifetime. And so it felt at times as if I was treating my youth, maybe to repay a kindness or to somehow the universe said, well, you got to be involved with this.

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Madame Bella

But when everything sort of played out, he had purchased the brothel, but he was in debt over his head. And so it became mine to pay it off and to rescue us financially. Well, what does that do? It sort of cleans up that term of like a courtesan to your husband. And it really helped me understand where I was going in life.

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Madame Bella

You know, he kept wanting to sell it, and I kept wanting it not to sell. Because it was there was something about it. I was I'm a Scorpio.

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Luna

I'm a Taurus. So I always get along with Scorpio.

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Madame Bella

That's good. So you know that type of thing I went through in my early 30s. An unusual feeling about trading my youth for a career or you a kindness. And of course, I've long since healed from that. But, I'm thinking, you know, whether it's the sugar baby thing or whatever it is, there's a trade that is a form of sensual sexual services for my younger.

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Madame Bella

It can seem oppressive. And I come from a generation different from yours. And that just meant that I learned things slightly different way. But, boy, I can sure smile and say at this time of my life, who's the best? Because it's like I. I made it through. You know, I was there before HIV. I was there before condoms.

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Madame Bella

I was there before the import, you know, and everything was when it finally came, was like the, the black dance grade. And I looked at that and said, whoa. And, but my whole career has really been at the people. Okay. You know, to go out and help them. I mean, I can't make the growth, but by golly, I set the stage.

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Madame Bella

You know, like The Wizard of Oz. Well, it's either that way or that way or that way. Yeah. And to watch the women from back then and pimps and drugs and and, and now I see it, I finally see it. But they really like what they do. They really find it fascinating healing for them and the client and I.

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Madame Bella

I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled for all of us. And I'm nervous. And we're speaking for everyone because I do believe there are still just stuck out there that, you know, I wouldn't even want to live in their body. Oh my gosh. Yeah, because it just got to be that opinionated or that judgmental or, you know, a certain person that was sexual.

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Madame Bella

The. Yeah.

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Luna

Would you tell us a little bit about what your work life is like right now? Like how are you making the world a sexier, more loving place? And also with your day to day like.

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Madame Bella

Well, my day to day is always in alignment with empowerment and empowerment of the ladies. I have this stock of I call them educational, empowering books, tools. That word self-help kind of task. Oh yeah. You know.

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Luna

I'm into it. But I feel, you.

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Madame Bella

Know, if it was just a way we got to see in today's world, right? Or it's kind of like. Want me to read what? Yeah. And then you get resistance. So there's just there's a stack of them there. And right next to it is our CB radio. Okay. CB radio. Do you know what that is?

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Luna

Is it what truckers use?

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Madame Bella

Yeah. Okay. Yes. And it used to be when the hippie days, they put them in their VW little micro mini busses. It's not that, though. There's drivers that have always had that particular device in their truck. Right. Well, it's. We turn on a day in a state we.

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Luna

Don't get one, wouldn't we? So what do you. Yeah. Tell me what happened.

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Madame Bella

So anyway, this little tool in your vehicle and these drivers. Okay, they'll say it's obvious. Or mirror or right at the top of the cab. It's this antenna about 2.5ft tall, and I go, CB, go down. It's like a fad. You know, these guys want this. Well, why would they want this? Well, the cell phone. Great tool, but it's like I tell the girls we don't have their cell numbers.

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Madame Bella

We don't have these guys cell numbers, but they got a radio. Yeah. So let's just invite them over. We'll take a van, we'll pick them up, we'll take a back. And so there's just more and more. Let's face it. Long haulers. We're like the ones doing the very best during the pandemic. Right. It actually either sort of devastated people or it helped them.

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Madame Bella

Yeah. So these gentlemen with the radios who let's just say look call us and we'll go pick you up. And in Will's weather crossroads or the western United States. Right. Yeah. And that means we're about 1200 people strong. But when you're the crossroad, it's like Tom Hanks says, everybody goes to Wells. Some point in time, and they're like, now going to go through Wells.

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Madame Bella

But that crossroad is Canada to Mexico, coast to coast on. And so besides being a destination, the gotta stop. And now we're something like a five truck stop town. Okay. Well, then we multiply the radius times five.

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Madame Bella

So it's a fun thing. It gives the girls something to do besides. Wait. Yeah. And our doorbell rings a lot. Okay. I don't know if you went to our website, but it's a call to action website, and it's got the little caricatures on there. It's got, like, the little penises and stuff, and I love that. I love the one that's been over or the one that's by the.

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Madame Bella

But, you know, that's always a good one, you know. And of course, the ladies come up first and they're gorgeous. And, you know, some of the pictures could be better. Some of them, when they show up, they don't have their professional photos yet. Yeah. But the idea is towards the bottom in the call to action. It talks about if you come to Bella's okay, which is a legal brothel, here's what you can expect.

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Madame Bella

If you don't, then here's what you can expect. And it just gives them a choice. Short. Sweet. What would you like your experience to be like? It's really been helpful to have it be fun, but also things that maybe clients wouldn't think about because there's only the one state that has the test model of legalization. Yeah.

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Luna

So you're behind the bar. Sometimes you're talking to customers or clients. Sometimes you're also managing the ladies a lot, I would imagine. And then like communication is on top of all of that, that I get all that right.

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Madame Bella

Yes. Yeah.

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Luna

Do you have time for yourself? Like, what are what do you have like work life, personal life, boundaries?

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Madame Bella

You know, my boundaries get to be flexible because I jokingly say, God still has me on the bus, and that means I'm still the madam. Okay? He's like, all the time to go to the beach. I don't think any of us get to work together. But, you know, it's like I like to speak. I like to answer people's questions.

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Madame Bella

I like to tell them about what I always called being human correctly. And let me think about it. Right. So my boundaries typically, if I'm going to say something at the brothel, is just saying Bella, bella, Bella. I might be there five days a week for a few hours. Okay. I might be there Sundays pay day all day because our free lady takes what I call the time they require.

00:28:10:09 - 00:28:37:15

Madame Bella

Or it would be the time I require, obviously. And they talk about what they've read in those books or something in them that they've discovered. It's something that I am fascinated to be involved in. Yeah, I want to hear. So whatever a person needs, if they need an hour, if they need ten minutes, wow, I said, but once again, with the balance.

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Madame Bella

I'm an equestrian, a hog of my whole life. So I'm a one on one horse down a man horse. And so, you know, some time in the day, even though I live out here in the rural Nevada, 20 miles from the brothel, I'm going to get on. Beauty and Bella and beauty are going out, and I have to wear deals, and they go with me, and it's my time to look at the desert, to just be with her.

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Madame Bella

I work to just be with her. Because that's where I work on my oneness and my ability to be present and to be present for you. But you cared enough to invite me on. Oh, yeah. So the time that she and I have is amazing, and luckily she's on property, you know, and we've been together since she was, like, three weeks old.

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Madame Bella

She was. We don't tell her, but she's an orphan. But I. Okay, but I had a competing stallion that got old enough to get older. And then he just raised her so she doesn't know she's an orphan. But. So she's just everything and every horse, like, in this combination of perfection. So it's perfect. So that's my balance.

00:29:55:09 - 00:30:02:10

Luna

I was going to say that's a lot of socialization for a Scorpio. You know like. So I'm glad that you get that special deep time, you know.

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Madame Bella

And then I like plants and we've got a couple three gardens right now. And so yesterday I was crawling around in the dirt pulling little weeds. Love it. It stops. It's like you got we have to be able to hear just where the peace and the joy is. I like to be absolutely present. Instead of talking about what's coming next.

00:30:27:22 - 00:30:44:00

Luna

That's a skill to develop, for sure. Have you gotten any interesting reactions from people when you're like, hi, yes, I am Madame Bella, I'm a madame. Like, how do people respond to you? Or do you get treated weird ever, especially in the activism work that you're doing?

00:30:44:02 - 00:31:17:10

Madame Bella

There are always people that are going to say things like, prostitution is what you're involved in. So they should be called prostitutes. And I go, okay, even the town of Wells, who voted to have legal licensed houses in Wells. They don't want to put up their hand and say, oh, I'm all in favor. Just keep a low profile, do what you do and everything is good.

00:31:17:12 - 00:31:31:02

Madame Bella

The interest that at times can make it difficult when change gets to happen. Like right now, I'm petitioning the council to change passed attitude on the worker to courtesan.

00:31:31:02 - 00:31:33:21

Luna

Yeah, it seems very reasonable.

00:31:33:23 - 00:31:55:11

Madame Bella

It's, Because there are those that are they go to the money thing or they go to the. So they go to that and it's like, it's just a push back and I'm going to keep finding a way around the rock. That's the solution you and I are always talking about. Yeah. The problem may be the designation.

00:31:55:13 - 00:32:27:00

Madame Bella

What is the vibration of the solution? Yeah. So could you imagine if I was doing the lineup of ladies and we're a lineup house, and I came out in front of them, and I stand next to the client, and I go, here's our prostitutes. Oh, my. But I could say, please meet our courtesans. Which vibration is, I'm going to say good for business.

00:32:27:02 - 00:32:38:08

Luna

I was going to say, yeah, like, because you get taxed, right? Like you have to pay fees to the county. So, like, wouldn't they want words that are going to elevate the whole experience for everyone?

00:32:38:10 - 00:33:00:07

Madame Bella

Well, that is exactly what I was working on. Great. It's good. It's very good. There's going to be more articles coming out about it. I really never want to pack the city council into a corner because as we all know, you never want to condemn, condone or complain or guess what? You lose them. But now how do we get around the rock?

00:33:00:07 - 00:33:35:20

Madame Bella

And, you know, typically when we are wanting to create a change, government wants to know what's in it for them. Yeah. Typically financial. How is this going to help them? And I am sure that somehow I'm going to present something like what you just shared, which is appropriate, that it's going to attract more clients, you know, an elevated clientele, even more elevated women.

00:33:35:22 - 00:33:59:21

Madame Bella

So it's some of the parts of being. I'm going to say the task that all these codes will say state interest codes. They're going to, you know, they will could use some swapping. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know, they're still there. It's still works. So what the heck. Wow.

00:33:59:23 - 00:34:16:00

Luna

Not to get caught up in the negative, but of course I also don't want to look at this work all through rose tinted glasses. And that sounds like an important part of the sort of difficulties. What are the other parts of your job that are, like, less sexy, or that you wish were kind of like different that you could shift?

00:34:16:02 - 00:34:40:15

Madame Bella

I believe that it's never coming as such from the clientele. That I think that if I was going to say or even insinuate something that's slightly negative. It's when a client comes in and they say something like, well I just came out of there. No you didn't. And.

00:34:40:17 - 00:34:45:09

Luna

Oh you came here to have a beer. I see.

00:34:45:11 - 00:35:05:13

Madame Bella

I take. Would you like to see the house. Took a tour. No. Oh I know that. It's like you're looking at a rock. A damaged rock. And how are you going to take that roughness and hit it in one little spot and the diamond just gets exposed?

00:35:05:17 - 00:35:08:09

Luna

Is that a person who wants to get convinced?

00:35:08:11 - 00:35:31:21

Madame Bella

That's a person that could use a real healing. And there's times that they say things that are awkward. Okay. It can seem judgmental. Judgmental is a great word. And I'll tell you why. Because they have, like, this cold shoulder. You know, the ladies might one come in? Just to sit with them, and it's just like, you know, I don't want to see them.

00:35:31:23 - 00:35:44:14

Madame Bella

Well, those are what I would refer to as negative. Just tough. And the thing to do is just send them love and. Yeah, blessings and to laugh and keep smiling.

00:35:44:14 - 00:35:45:18

Luna

I just keep loving people.

00:35:45:23 - 00:35:54:21

Madame Bella

Yeah. You know, how's that working for you? Just locked in a shell. Yeah. Isn't that a good way to look at it?

00:35:54:23 - 00:36:08:03

Luna

I would love to hear what you have learned about sex related shame and pleasure through your work. I know we've kind of touched on these themes, but, like, I love hearing the specific insights from people with your, like, level of expertise.

00:36:08:05 - 00:36:46:07

Madame Bella

In another time. Well, call it better than sexual shame, but many I'm going to call them working ladies. Experienced was a very difficult hurdle to cortisol. And they carried it like a scarlet letter. Like you don't know what happened to me. You know, like the little bag on the stick. Those things that we stuff in there, they prevent us from becoming that flower, becoming that blood.

00:36:46:09 - 00:37:13:11

Madame Bella

So over all these years it's been working with these ladies individually to say, well how are you going to forgive that. How are you going to find your way through an experience that obviously you were meant to have? And a lot of us don't think that that's true. But if we look at the solution and say, well, why are we look at it that way?

00:37:13:13 - 00:37:40:22

Madame Bella

And we should be able to move on and, to look at the players involved and what they karmically had to do to create our growth and to sort of like the toothpaste, push it up from the bottom to help us get out of that story. We don't need to tell the negative stories unless we want a rerun.

00:37:41:00 - 00:38:06:19

Madame Bella

Now, I share a lot of the things that were negative for me all the the times when I was young and hotheaded and had the Scorpio temper. And, I mean, I could blow people's hair right off their head just by opening my mouth. And it was just because I just had such a big, powerful energy. Yeah. You know, even now it's go.

00:38:06:19 - 00:38:30:08

Madame Bella

I work to come into even a council meeting and, still blow their hair back. Even if I go, hey, you know, I don't do the stuff. It doesn't matter. They're bald now. You know? So. So, you know, those are things that were negative in the ladies. But I hear when I interview, because we're in a Parliament house, I have two staff members.

00:38:30:10 - 00:38:50:21

Madame Bella

Okay. And why do I have those? Because I need someone that's going to serve the beer, run the credit cards and do the lineups and do those things right. But we have a system that the car doesn't run. And the two staff members worked for me 16 and 20 years ago. So they're courtesans. So it's a courtesan run house.

00:38:50:23 - 00:39:01:02

Madame Bella

Cool. Between like two and six in the morning, the courtesans answer the door. They run the credit cards. They do their own line.

00:39:01:04 - 00:39:02:19

Luna

Really?

00:39:02:21 - 00:39:22:16

Madame Bella

This has never been done. They turn their money on in the morning. The house isn't locked down. Just communicate. Oh, I need to go to the store. Great. They cook the way they want to cook. So, in other words, I've got a. Each one has a place in the fridge, in the freezer, in the dry storage. That's their food stuff.

00:39:22:18 - 00:39:51:17

Madame Bella

They know how they want to eat. They know how they want to maintain their body. So they clean up. They do their CB radio. They do the laundry. They do their own kitchens. They run their own vacuum. This is a house totally about the courtesans. How do they want to run their business? They have a negative business license that reads either sole proprietor or entrepreneur.

00:39:51:19 - 00:40:16:22

Madame Bella

And it's those independent contractors. How in the world are they going to be the success that they came to be? So the ladies who choose to work with me, they have a business license. I have a business license. We have to work together. They don't work for me. We work with each other. My license just cost more.

00:40:17:00 - 00:40:41:16

Madame Bella

So in the interviewing process. And I do the interviewing of ladies, it takes at least an hour for me to know their dreams and goals, how they feel about sex. If they have the two documents that Wells requires, which is a Social Security card and picture I.D. and what is their goal? How much money are they making now?

00:40:41:21 - 00:41:08:08

Madame Bella

How do they feel about sex? How much money are they going to attract? What's the schedule? And I want them to know me. I'm the only one, I mean. It's men. If they want to work for a woman, they've got to bring their own expertise. Even if it's however far along they are in their 20s. To me, that's why I'm still here.

00:41:08:13 - 00:41:34:13

Madame Bella

That's why I haven't burned out. I know at some point in time I would want to be a consultant. I would want to be a public speaker. I would want to help the ladies out there. And this has never been done in the house. And yet I've been working towards this for over 30 years. It's here. Yeah. And it's beautiful to have a house with only honest women.

00:41:34:15 - 00:41:35:08

Madame Bella

00:41:35:10 - 00:41:38:12

Luna

That's hot. How many are there at a time?

00:41:38:13 - 00:41:42:04

Madame Bella

Usually between 8 and 11. Okay.

00:41:42:05 - 00:41:44:15

Luna

Oh, that's a great number. Okay.

00:41:44:17 - 00:42:07:23

Madame Bella

It really is. Now, I could have 14, but 8 to 11 and working to have what I call a variety. Meaning you have to have certain nationalities in there. The ladies that choose to work with me would never do well in another house, because I'm going to say the parameters are tight. You know they might have to sit in a parlor.

00:42:08:00 - 00:42:27:06

Madame Bella

They might have to sit in a bar. They might have to raise their hand to go to the bathroom. But there's a lot of people that aren't a self-starter and that works for them. So there's rooms for everything. I know my part, and my path is empowerment, and I don't need anybody. Tell me what to do.

00:42:27:08 - 00:42:35:04

Luna

I get it. Oh my gosh, I get it. Only in very specific circumstances do I like that.

00:42:35:06 - 00:42:37:18

Madame Bella

But we know what those are, right? Exactly.

00:42:37:19 - 00:42:39:22

Luna

Exactly. And I'm in charge of those too, you know.

00:42:40:02 - 00:42:51:07

Madame Bella

So they're kind of telling you what to do. Yeah. And so I'm glad I got to, to mention that because it's well, it's all those houses on the ranch. That's what it's about.

00:42:51:09 - 00:43:12:14

Luna

Yeah. No, you read my mind. Those are the types of details I'm so interested in. And, you know, I would also just be curious to hear if you have noticed shifts in the industry of, like I would say, specifically the brothel related industries since you began this work. Like, I'd love to hear kind of like your observations there.

00:43:12:16 - 00:43:20:22

Madame Bella

Joe Conforti was still alive when I stepped on to Ellis, and it was really just called Hacienda back then.

00:43:21:00 - 00:43:21:14

Luna

00:43:21:16 - 00:43:57:17

Madame Bella

I took the name Bella after closure that was orchestrated by powers that be. And I actually it went away because I, I really had the documents that post my innocence. But during that time I was very angry and I knew I hadn't done anything. And so I wanted everybody to know I was taken advantage of. Yeah. So I spent a great deal of time carrying that red box of courage around until I realized that for goodness was everything.

00:43:57:19 - 00:44:39:04

Madame Bella

And any time spent being out of forgiveness was time lost in one's life. But I was meant to do it. And so during that time, I read a book called Belladonna, and it's an incredibly explicit sexual book about, let's call it tropical. But it was really in the old days, and, and it was England and all the, the powerful people in the castles and, and how they would find a young woman that had no family and they just doctor.

00:44:39:06 - 00:45:01:15

Madame Bella

And for a year they put all this money in a bank. The end of the year they turn loose and tell her where the money was. The time I read that, I realized that I had some work to do. Oh my gosh. And so I legally added Bella in front of my legal name, Shauna. So I'm Bella, Shauna.

00:45:01:17 - 00:45:29:04

Madame Bella

I am that that woman that is filled with forgiveness and can understand that all those people I owed an apology to, if they'd accept it, because I put them in a very unusual situation of their choosing in order for me to make my growth. And so this woman standing in front of you, I had to become something rather Aboriginal.

00:45:29:04 - 00:45:52:13

Madame Bella

You know, you might start out toolmaker, but by the time you're white haired, you're storyteller. So I evolved, much like Rachel ended. Judy. Yeah. So those things happen in our life, and we either welcome them and make the growth, or we resist and we become bitter and life is to be endured.

00:45:52:15 - 00:46:00:03

Luna

Do you have any wisdom around anything you've learned about communicating when it comes to sex?

00:46:00:05 - 00:46:17:03

Madame Bella

I have one bit of advice to people in relationships. I think typically the woman never say no. The minute you say no, your partner will always be afraid to ask.

00:46:17:05 - 00:46:34:07

Luna

Yeah. I mean, I'm a big high desire person. I've even noticed that in regular language. Instead of using the word no, I just replace whatever that is with what I want instead. You know, so if there's something I actually don't want to do, I would go. How about this instead, though? Oh, I'd really love to.

00:46:34:08 - 00:46:39:04

Madame Bella

Blah blah blah. That's close enough.

00:46:39:08 - 00:46:56:03

Luna

Yes. Yeah. And it's finding a yes in my overlap today. You know what I do want to offer? I love that. Yeah, because I did. I crushed my old partner's egos because I was like, You know, and I and I have a very abrupt way of speaking, especially if I'm surprised or confused. I can get really intense.

00:46:56:05 - 00:46:57:10

Luna

Love that.

00:46:57:12 - 00:47:08:04

Madame Bella

I really believe that great sexual encounters, and this is part of wisdom, never has to be a marathon. It's okay for there to be quickies.

00:47:08:08 - 00:47:13:21

Luna

Yeah, I love quickies. I love marathons, but sometimes I'm too tired or don't have time.

00:47:13:23 - 00:47:23:04

Madame Bella

You know, the back flips off the headboard or nice bed of the fans running. You know, you make the talk or you're in trouble.

00:47:23:06 - 00:47:24:01

Luna

Yeah.

00:47:24:03 - 00:47:44:01

Madame Bella

It's being flexible. Maybe I'm really in the mood. However, a person might say that. Yeah. Like you said, to manifest something that doesn't have to be a marathon. Unless that's exactly the intent. Both people are gonna know. Yeah.

00:47:44:03 - 00:48:00:16

Luna

Will you take us through anything? We haven't touched on that Bellas related yet. Like, I read about VIP rooms, you know, like, what kind of experience can people expect? It sounds like they can get picked up if they're at a truck stop. But is there also a parking lot for just couples or singles to drive up into, like, walk us through?

00:48:00:16 - 00:48:02:23

Luna

Kind of like what someone can expect.

00:48:03:01 - 00:48:29:21

Madame Bella

Or off a little gravel road that I am Bella and three gentlemen built. So this little gravel road, we keep it graded, sometimes coming out of where it's kind of rough, but you arrive at what looks like kind of a gravel parking lot with little asphalt around the building. The majority of our clientele arrive in cars or pickup trucks.

00:48:29:23 - 00:49:02:11

Madame Bella

The other part of our clientele, we'll call it, long haul drivers. Because of the satellite situation and companies being able to monitor every mile that these gentlemen make or. Ladies. Yeah, just picking them up can be a good thing. Yeah, but I was there when 75 trucks were in that lot. It was magical. And now, besides CB radios, these older semis that are so freaking hot, I call them growlers.

00:49:02:13 - 00:49:27:15

Madame Bella

They have these they, you know, these check brakes and these big pipes that do the exhaust and they're painted exotically and they've got the big sleepers and, and the big silver sort of it's like a stainless looking air filter on them. And I mean they're just like you look at the big square things like Peterbilt hello girl over there.

00:49:27:17 - 00:49:50:02

Madame Bella

But here's the thing. They're on the road and there's more and more and more of them. Why? Because they don't have connections to the satellites. They can go where they want to go without being tracked. It's beautiful. They want to park in the parking lot. They can park anywhere they want to. Cool. They don't have to put death in the tank.

00:49:50:03 - 00:50:18:16

Madame Bella

They don't have to do it. There's all these things that they don't have to do that all these, you know, federal regulations have the newer trucks do it. So now you're going to see those kind of trucks again in the parking lot. But typically it's for real traffic. All right. And I say that because we're close to Utah close to Idaho and their Sun Valley, you know, Boise, Park City, Salt Lake City.

00:50:18:20 - 00:50:39:19

Madame Bella

I mean, these guys are going to make the drive a couple hours. Yep. They don't care. And so when they arrive in front of the building, they're going to ring the doorbell. We answer in person. We don't just press a buzzer. We're a house that isn't inside a fence. All the other one side of the fence down. All right.

00:50:39:21 - 00:51:05:15

Madame Bella

I don't think we need that. You know, it's very safe. They're safe. Were safe. And when they ring the doorbell, they come in. They get offered something to drink. They'd like understanding that we're a brothel with the convenience of a bar. We aren't a bar top shelf craft beer, top shelf bottle there, top shelf, all that. But it's a tool.

00:51:05:17 - 00:51:27:23

Madame Bella

If somebody would like to have a beer. They are never here just for the beer. You. And then from there, the hostess would. Would ask them if they'd been there before. If they have. She's going to explain things that they're never going to remember. Yeah. So when they're, you know, in one ear, out the other, it just it doesn't.

00:51:28:01 - 00:51:49:08

Madame Bella

Then she'll explain. I'm going to bring a lineup of ladies out, and you're going to choose a lady to talk to. You can talk to as many as you'd like to find your perfect lady. Okay. But then we have a room just off the bar where it's quiet. Close enough to the bar. It doesn't feel alienated, like, oh, my God, where did they take me?

00:51:49:10 - 00:52:12:03

Madame Bella

But it's private. They can seduce each other with what they'd like to experience. In my training, I usually wait for them to ask me because when I show them my tour, it usually turns their money from moderate to huge.

00:52:12:05 - 00:52:13:12

Luna

That's a skill.

00:52:13:14 - 00:52:43:12

Madame Bella

Because that sexuality and that bridge from being afraid of talking about money to talking about money gets crossed. And from there they get past that rejection thing of hearing no. Instead it's, well, what would you like to spend today? I have all different types of parties and a pretty varied price range depending on what you're looking for, and it helps them.

00:52:43:12 - 00:53:09:10

Madame Bella

It helps them, you know, if they're standing and we call it the IPC and it's got a big hot tub and it's got a very large king bed mirrors everywhere. They can see everything. Nothing gets missed. That is where it's best to start. On the upper end of money and say, is this something you'd like to experience today?

00:53:09:12 - 00:53:41:21

Madame Bella

And then from there, you know, on their way to that room, ask him, how do you plan on paying for your party? If he says, oh, I've got lots of cash. Well, it gives you a heads up or whatever. ATM credit card. What's his choice? Or he can have a combination, obviously, but on the way to what we call the conversation room, this is where if she just says we get to go talk about money, we get to talk about what you'd like to spend on yourselves.

00:53:41:23 - 00:54:10:12

Madame Bella

Tell him then it's not where you sit down in there and go, it's open. He knows all the way there and all the way to the love seat. And it helps everyone be more comfortable. He doesn't feel like, oh, my God, I got to see if I can get a screaming deal because, you know, people get worried about being taken to have a child and being a courtesan is incredibly lucrative.

00:54:10:14 - 00:54:19:07

Madame Bella

Great. You know, typically women in this field should make, well, just say a lot for an hour.

00:54:19:09 - 00:54:27:22

Luna

I've heard some of the numbers. I don't ask because I know now that you can't say out loud, but they're really good. They make me reconsider. My whole life.

00:54:28:00 - 00:55:05:12

Madame Bella

And it's true. You know, and I ask. That's why I ask in my interview. Well, what do you typically make for an hour? And I go, ooh, but it helps. It helps them understand because obviously everybody wants to know, well, how much money am I going to make. Well are you a great student. If you've never done this before, if you really have escorted, can you become a brand new sponge and take on what I call the experience of being a courtesan, which is that legal licensed a whole different scenario for determining the price?

00:55:05:13 - 00:55:19:20

Madame Bella

Yeah. When they come in there, they spend like to do was talking about it's never everybody. But if you get a few of those every week. Well you're moving forward financially, which is great.

00:55:19:22 - 00:55:28:20

Luna

That's amazing. If you could just wave a magic wand and teach everyone in the whole wide world something about sex, what would you teach them?

00:55:28:22 - 00:55:53:14

Madame Bella

I would teach them how to have fun with it. Sometimes it's way too serious. Yeah. And since the pandemic I petitioned the city to get an escort license. So there was really no sex, right. Yeah. People never do well in isolation. We're hurt animals. And they even have just one partner isn't for everybody. Totally.

00:55:53:16 - 00:56:03:14

Luna

But I'm not a one partner. I could not with just one. And I need. Variety is an escort license where you are allowed to leave the house. Like, not for a second. That's okay. Okay. Like, you can go on a date.

00:56:03:15 - 00:56:07:14

Madame Bella

Leave the house that we were also allowed to stay in house.

00:56:07:16 - 00:56:08:03

Luna

Oh, cool.

00:56:08:04 - 00:56:25:00

Madame Bella

So it didn't matter if they really wanted to have some drinks, if they want to talk, if they wanted to sit in the girls room and watch a movie. It was great. And what I learned from that moment forward is there is way more laughter coming out of that room than ever before.

00:56:25:01 - 00:56:26:08

Luna

00:56:26:08 - 00:56:33:19

Madame Bella

I love and I think that's perfect, which is why I answered the way I did. You know it's okay to make it fun.

00:56:34:01 - 00:56:46:01

Luna

Yeah. The partner that I have in my life right now, I mean whatever I'm always looking for more. But we're having so much fun. It's just very playful, very silly, very just like anything could happen. It feels like a big adventure every time.

00:56:46:07 - 00:57:00:15

Madame Bella

Yeah. Like, just get all dressed up and have him go. Yeah. Because come off. It's usually a quickie, and then you go, oh, boy, you just started my day, right? Off you go. And that's how it should be.

00:57:00:20 - 00:57:02:17

Luna

Do people come in at all hours?

00:57:02:18 - 00:57:30:01

Madame Bella

Yes. Oh, okay. Cool. Which is why we have the courtesan connection. Okay, let's see. Here's something else. It's really cool. Unless certain courtesans choose to have what we call a bartender's license. Oh, so that means they can actually go behind the bar. They could actually serve beverages. They could actually legally answer the door. You know, I mean, it's something besides, as we know right now, we've got the prostitute card.

00:57:30:06 - 00:57:51:17

Madame Bella

Yeah, but they aren't just us. Yeah. They're smart, they're intelligent. Oh, yeah. There's some masters there. I have a few that have another job working on line because everything changed with the pandemic. Yeah. You can do what you used to do in an office and be it that.

00:57:51:19 - 00:57:55:11

Luna

Oh, that's so hot to me.

00:57:55:13 - 00:58:16:23

Madame Bella

So it's like you're in the meeting. I have girls, as I say, I've really got a business meeting. I won't be available from 10 to 12, or they're doing another kind of online job, and they can just hit pause when the doorbell rings. They're already dressed for the floor. They go out, they do the line up, do the party, go back to their job.

00:58:17:01 - 00:58:23:17

Madame Bella

I love that. The other income probably has health insurance. Yeah, yeah.

00:58:23:19 - 00:58:24:17

Luna

I mean, that's.

00:58:24:19 - 00:58:39:01

Madame Bella

Why they have it. Totally. So there's all this stuff, and then, you know, you got the ones going to college at Dallas. It's empower. And I don't think other houses are going to allow that. But I don't know.

00:58:39:03 - 00:58:42:08

Luna

Yeah I don't I don't have details on that yet but I'm curious.

00:58:42:10 - 00:58:51:16

Madame Bella

That to me is a it's a bonus. It's okay to have another profession and love what you do sexually.

00:58:51:18 - 00:58:53:00

Luna

Totally. I think that's so.

00:58:53:00 - 00:58:53:22

Madame Bella

Hot.

00:58:54:00 - 00:59:07:16

Luna

Without giving away anyone's private details, are there any, like, hot sex stories that you can share with us but have, like, happened at the brothel because of the brothel? Like I've heard some crazy brothel stories. But I'm curious what Bill is, is, like.

00:59:07:18 - 00:59:38:21

Madame Bella

There's always a percentage of what I call vanilla. Okay. It's like the businessmen, you know, just more ordinary experiences. But lately, there's more of the. Could we get the dominate room going again? And I go, oh, of course, things have to change sometimes because it's cycles. You get this big flow of expansion almost everyone to. Well, we're just going to, you know, have a half and half type of thing.

00:59:38:23 - 01:00:09:13

Madame Bella

One of my favorite stories was with one of my Italian working ladies a few years back, and she was a bigger gal, but the guys loved her, meaning she was just taller and just more medium build right? And she went by Desiree and she walked into her room. Right. And the guy has on her black stilettos and she just loses it.

01:00:09:15 - 01:00:39:11

Madame Bella

She said, that's my last pair of black stilettos. And the heel was cracked and she picks him up by the neck of his shirt and of his pants, and she heads towards the front door. She puts his book down long enough to open the door, and then throws him out into the parking lot, over the little wall onto the asphalt.

01:00:39:12 - 01:01:01:06

Madame Bella

And about three minutes later, the doorbell rings and he's there and he's got some little blood and issues. Could I come in, please? And she said, never put my shoes on again. Ever. Yes, ma'am. And they went back. She cleaned him up. He left smiling. Oh my gosh.

01:01:01:08 - 01:01:05:14

Luna

Oh, I hope he got her a new pair of shoes too.

01:01:05:16 - 01:01:08:21

Madame Bella

I'm sure he tipped her good for those new shoes.

01:01:08:23 - 01:01:09:16

Luna

Yeah.

01:01:09:18 - 01:01:31:13

Madame Bella

You know, the people that walk in and they're all cross dressed, and, I mean, they're ready to go. So. It's perfect. You know what I think the most difficult ones for the ladies. And we do get them every house does are the potential pedophiles. Oh, yeah. But at least they're coming to us.

01:01:31:14 - 01:01:36:10

Luna

That's exactly what I was just thinking. I was like, well, better to express in the legal space.

01:01:36:12 - 01:01:57:14

Madame Bella

And typically they want to be terminated. Imagine that. Okay. And the girl, you know gets gum going and comes probably short of wanting to dispatch him. Right. But he definitely leaves bruised up. And I think it happens in every house. What better way to.

01:01:57:16 - 01:01:59:18

Luna

Process.

01:01:59:20 - 01:02:04:13

Madame Bella

You know, hunger. Then make him remember it. Yeah, but, you know.

01:02:04:15 - 01:02:10:20

Luna

I mean, I'm a person. I love bruises and marks. Receiving them personally, like when that's part of the agreement. I love them. I think they're so hot.

01:02:10:22 - 01:02:15:20

Madame Bella

I know, but now that you've given up the kind of file part of it, that's really good, right?

01:02:15:20 - 01:02:19:20

Luna

Right. Yeah. Well.

01:02:19:22 - 01:02:21:13

Madame Bella

There's a humor here.

01:02:21:15 - 01:02:40:14

Luna

We have to. Yeah. I mean, and that's the thing. It's like when we get stuck in all of the like, I have to be perfect all the time. No person like you said earlier, no person is. And of course, you know, even in speech, I say so many dumb things all the time. And I hear it recorded later and I'm like, well, if only I could edit myself in real life the way I can on podcast, okay.

01:02:40:16 - 01:02:41:19

Madame Bella

I understand.

01:02:41:21 - 01:03:03:13

Luna

I would love to hear just wrapping up, what else brainstorm wise, do you think we need to make the world a sexier, more loving place together? You know, I think the work that you're doing is a huge, important part of it. I always have fantasies about what would the world be like if you know, legalized, full service sex work were covered by insurance?

01:03:03:13 - 01:03:08:09

Luna

You know, what else do you think we would need in the world to make it sexier and more loving?

01:03:08:11 - 01:03:53:01

Madame Bella

We really need a reality check about judgment. It's not our job. And this incel situation, the dark web, all of these things are putting a lot of young people out of touch with, I'm going to say sexuality. That's where we're seeing all of these horrible incidents that keep looking at guns. But it isn't. It's the suppressed sexuality of an individual that may or may not have learned how to be social, how to be okay with who they are.

01:03:53:03 - 01:04:24:19

Madame Bella

Yeah. And then, of course, as we know, we went through another can we lock them all down? And I believe that we're experiencing that. And so in the old nest, a foundation that I found, the message is always evolving because we're like men doing the partial decriminalization. And I'm like, that won't work. You can't take the seller and say, well, you're good and then ruin the life of the buyer.

01:04:24:21 - 01:04:58:07

Madame Bella

You make a criminal out of sexuality. And I know in my heart that as the onus is evolving, that the both important. If I were in a position to have everybody give something a test. Yeah. Right. I would say, all right. We're going to have the legal brothel right over here. Destiny could be any state, any city. Oh, you will want to be an independent.

01:04:58:09 - 01:05:28:01

Madame Bella

Here's the parameters for an independent. You know, get your business license, do your medical testing and get some sort of credential that says you're an entrepreneur. Okay. This is your industry. This is in service. God calling. Yeah. Let's say you worked in a massage parlor. And happy endings are always part of the massage. Get credentials. Yeah. Just have a business license be medically tested.

01:05:28:04 - 01:05:55:12

Madame Bella

Whatever it is. You had those in your room, and then you're legal. But you want to do it this way. Well, it wants to do it this way. As an independent. All these other ladies want to work at Bally's or whatever the name is. Yeah. Three ways to be legal. Licensed entrepreneurs and sensual sexual services. It's the way it should be.

01:05:55:14 - 01:05:57:17

Luna

I think the world would really benefit.

01:05:57:19 - 01:06:19:01

Madame Bella

And if I was a judge and you came in and said, look, I'm an independent contractor, here's all my stuff or my documents, I throw it out. You're good to go. You're a businesswoman, and I know it's right. We can't put everyone that wants to be in the sensual, sexual industry, in a house and a legal house. Impossible.

01:06:19:01 - 01:06:22:03

Luna

Impossible and not ideal for most people.

01:06:22:05 - 01:06:35:01

Madame Bella

No, but when we talk about the solution being an accelerated, progressive vibration. There you go. Yeah. Harm to non beautiful.

01:06:35:03 - 01:06:54:22

Luna

Okay, lovers, you can go follow at Bella's Hacienda. The link is in the description below. That is a new Twitter account. Because censorship killed the old one. And you can find the Honesty Foundation at on E star Foundation. Dawg. Again, the link is in the description below. Madame Bella, thank you so much for being a guest on Sex Stories.

01:06:55:00 - 01:06:57:13

Madame Bella

Thank you all. I really, really enjoyed.