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🔗 JAY LINKS | OF / @hotwifesheila

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Luna

And our guest today is a 42 year old black, cis, straight male that is usually dominant but enjoys being a stag with a little sprinkle of cock play. He is part of a hot white stag relationship and comes with tons of experience as a BBQ bull and former swinger in his prior marriage. He's drawn to seeing his wife with other athletic black males with his size cock or bigger, and is open to a gangbang with her favorite bulls.

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Luna

A Colorado based creator originally from the East Coast. His wife is a sexy, naughty nurse and he works as a trainer and a martial arts instructor. Welcome, Jay.

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Jay

Well, first and foremost, thank you for having me. That was a really great introduction. Thank you for hitting those details that I wrote. So I appreciate it.

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Luna

Yeah. Can you start off by telling our sweet listeners, if you had to rate yourself right now on a sexual shame, a meter with ten being super shaming and one being like, not at all shaming. Where do you fall today and does it ever fluctuate for you?

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Jay

That's a very interesting question. I've never been asked that. I think on the shame on meter until finally I have no shame. But I think externally meaning like if my private life was to become public, then it would probably be a high level seven, eight, nine, maybe ten.

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Luna

Wait, what in your life is private?

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Jay

I mean, like me and my wife totally separate our play life from our everyday public life. Like none of our friends know about it. Well, none of my friends know about it. She has some girlfriends that she tells stories to, but I don't talk to it about with my friends. It's a totally separate world.

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Luna

What?

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Jay

Yeah.

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Luna

Wow. What is it that like?

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Jay

I mean, it's fine for me because, you know, I'm a little bit in the public eye. The problem is this. People don't really understand. They come with the connotations and stigmas. Then, like, they don't really understand the lifestyle. Just in general. I'm talking about two couples playing one another, two couples, which is probably the the team is part of it.

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Jay

But if you added other kinks like The Hot Wife and the stag, maybe cuckold like people really don't understand that and there's a lot of judgment coming with it.

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Luna

Okay, can you give us just a little overview? What is your sex life like right now and what are your favorite parts?

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Jay

I mean, right now is a little bit difficult because like, we got a newborn baby. He's about six months, two years old. So, like, it's so funny sometimes for us to have a nice get sex outside of, just like, waiting for the baby to go to sleep. And then we already tired this part. Not the sexiest thing, but we literally have to like have because I have older kids, like, my daughter's like 20 plus years old.

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Jay

So we literally have to go to my daughter house, drop off my son so she could babysit him, get a hotel because we're tired of being in the bedroom full of baby stuff to get all that sexy and have a couple of hours where we could just get Buck wild and crazy. And if we're really, really lucky, maybe we're able to invite someone.

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Luna

I mean, that's great that you're making time to do that. That's really impressive. Yeah. So now I'd love for you to tell us. What would you say makes you an excellent lover? Like, what are your best qualities as a lover?

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Jay

I mean, to understand, when you physically connect with someone and you're able to feel the energy, and then now you feeding off the energy to give it back to them ten times fold. And what that means is, like you tend to almost not forget, but like you put your warmth aside a little bit and you really want to like heightened experience for your partner.

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Jay

And you do that with the touch and like the communication to the touch. Now there's obviously verbals that you're going to be saying back and forth, but a lot of it is going to be built of just the physical touch and just feel another person's body. You can see where that takes you. And I think being able to internalize that, it's just going to make for a really great experience.

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Luna

Did you always know that? Was that something intuitive to you or did you learn that somewhere?

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Jay

I had a very crazy upbringing. I was like sexual from a very young, young, young age. Some may even say it was bad. You know, so many say like, I was taking advantage of being a little kid, but sick have always been a part of my life. So I think it gradually you start to grow, you learn, you read, you talk to people, you ask questions.

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Jay

You take the good and the bad and you just try to make it, you know, work for you.

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Luna

Yeah. Okay. Could you tell us now, what are some of your favorite ways to invite a partner to have sex with you? It sounds like you're doing a lot of planning right now because you have a baby, but, like, maybe pre-baby. How did you initiate sex? Like, what's that like for you?

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Jay

Well, obviously as a couple, you know, we used to be on a swinger website. Cassidy. So, you know, we we go searching. I find a couple of guys that I know the my wife would enjoy physically. We don't really know how it's going to pan out with communication and actual like, text and chat do a lot of chatting.

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Jay

So that's where like I kind of did well as a board, is that I was a very good communicator when I was dealing with couples. I would ask questions. When he asked me questions, I would give them good details I would know do good. And sexting and flirting is, you know, funny enough, is actually pretty difficult to find that we find guys that, you know, maybe physically appealing, but like we try to chat with them is like trying to pull teeth and it's like, okay, we lose our interest here.

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Jay

But after some interest has been established and yeah, we go get a hotel, we go get some drinks. We try to do things different like we did one, you know, we met at a bar. That's pretty typical. We did one where we actually did this whole video for our OnlyFans page, which we do have. You see my wife walking towards the hotel room and the communication to her and I have.

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Jay

And then as we not going to door, he comes to the door and I'm almost like, and I'm not trying to demean my wife, but I almost had her off and like to deal with that emotion. There's a lot of emotions that go into it right at to see another man grab my wife's hand and take off from me.

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Jay

That really tells so much of the story, and we really try to convey that in our own space.

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Luna

That's beautiful. Could you not share with us your personal definition? What is sexy to you?

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Jay

First of all, I find my wife very sexy. I find like her. Yeah, yeah, her body. I touch her lips. She's a redhead. Which I didn't even know I was into redheads until I met her. She has a nice, nice ass, like she's about 5 or 7, so I know, I don't know if that's tall for a woman, but, like, it's like, I don't know if average.

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Jay

I think it's a little slightly above average.

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Luna

Yeah. At above average.

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Jay

Medium. Yeah. Right. And carries it very well. Like I thickness you know I'm a brother. So you know I love a girl with a nice ass. And like my wife has everything what I consider to be very sexy. Plus she's very open minded and super kinky. That's so you.

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Luna

Know, please tell us, when do you feel sexiest?

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Jay

You know, when I'm in shape. And I try to always be in shape, but, you know, you have some really good weeks where you just killed that. You know, you didn't miss a workout, you didn't miss a rep. You like, you been eating good, your diet at some point get a fresh haircut. Yeah. You're high hydrated and you got a nice haircut.

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Jay

You say that you like your body's on point and the un the perfect clothes. And my wife turns to me, you know, and she say, damn, you look really sexy. Which is great for me because, like, obviously we do bring in other sexy men. So to make sure that my wife still find me attractive, that makes me feel sexy.

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Luna

Damn, what a good answer. I love that. Okay, how does sex help you connect with a partner?

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Jay

Giving someone pleasure is the best thing you can do, right? I mean, it's one of the best things you could do for someone to make them feel good. They want the whole day, the week. There's so much stress that's going on. And just to make them feel good, it's like that how they bury. When she got the academy Award, when she's talking to Billy Bob Thornton, I think of something like that and she's like, make me feel good, make me feel good.

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Jay

Like sometimes that's all you want is just to feel good and to have that ecstasy of pleasure. I think to be able to do that with my hands, I'm very good. I'm very into massaging. I do long massaging coming, you know, I go, I go really deep into I actually feel like massage when I'm massaging. It's not like I'm massaging you to fuck you.

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Jay

I'm massaging you to, like, really make your muscles and your body relax. Then I try to fuck you. From that to kissing to just feeling my energy. Like, here's one thing I like. You know, my wife, she's standing there and I could just slide my cock. This really throbbing in a heart between our legs just so she could just feel the energy.

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Jay

This like resting right on top of her clitoral pussy. There's things like that. Just you just conveying so much from, like, just travel of energy. Like she could feel that I really want her. And she knows I want her and I know she wants me. I mean, that's a lot of communication there.

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Luna

Yeah. That's beautiful. Beautiful. Okay, now, I would love if you could give us an example of a sexy, explicitly clear. Yes, that you have either given or received with a partner that led to something super hot, could be groups of partners to.

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Jay

I think the first time that I did with my wife, we had a situation with another guy. It's called fuck licking. So basically me and my wife was 69 and she was on top of me, and the guy came behind her and stop fucking her as I was looking at clit. So she's getting multiple stimulation between having a nice hard cock inside of her and me, like really having fun with her clit.

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Luna

I've been in so many threesomes I've never known about this.

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Jay

You seriously never had that?

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Luna

Yeah.

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Jay

So like, a lot of guys would feel uncomfortable with that because they're like, oh shit, my mouth is so close to his cock, you know what I'm saying? Like. And for me, man, I'm so cured of my sexuality. I know what I enjoy. I know what I want, I don't mind minimal contact, even if it's like direct contact.

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Jay

I've also played with it a little bit. You know, I've done some things so I don't mind it along. Like I'm on like a I don't know what's the word about. It's like pansexual. If it feels good, do it. Yeah. That's kind of like what I'm in.

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Luna

Yeah okay I love that. Okay. Now tell us what counts as sex for you.

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Jay

I mean, sex, the sex, like penetration, oral sex. I don't have many other definition of it. There's things like sexual, old or sexy, but for sex, I need to be inside of you.

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Luna

Okay. So now, personally, in your life growing up, did you ever get a helpful sex education or an explicit health and safety talk or a lesson in consent?

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Jay

No. But, you know, honestly, this is a topic that I've had talks on on other podcasts for multiple levels, from father to son, also dealing with the black community and just having a more open and positive sex environment or sex community, which is very difficult. You know, sex is one of those things that you just kind of learning on, like I was saying, from father to son, meaning that, you know, my father never sat down.

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Jay

And then like, I mean, he told me about the birds and the bees and told me, strap it up, you know, like the basics of being safe, right? But never really explained what sex really was, how to have good sex, how to have fun sex, or even consensual sex. I mean, I think it was not really directly said, but obviously, you know, get consent.

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Jay

You know, no one wants to be locked up for rape or to rape someone to put someone in that situation. But I don't think we ever had like a full, direct conversation about it. And then also you look in, in the black community, like as brothers, we don't sit down, talk about what we do with our woman, how we express ourself sexually.

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Jay

You know, what we do in our bedroom is our own personal business. And that's something we really, really talk a lot about.

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Luna

Do you talk about it with anyone?

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Jay

I with my wife. As far as like my personal friends. No no no no not really.

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Luna

Okay. Does anything happen to your shame a meter up and downs. Why is when it's time to talk to a new partner about safer sex?

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Jay

No, we are pretty direct, right? Because we like. First of all, if you don't play with us, you have to get tested, right? Because you know, one better package is better for all of us. Even for him. Definitely. Even for my wife. She likes it better. So we were like, listen, you have to get tested. We know what we mean by test.

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Jay

Don't bring us the test is like a month old, two months old. We don't know how many girls you ran through. We need a week of. Right. So we vet. Yeah, I will play partners. How? Sometimes if we are really darling, you super cool. We'd be willing to even pay for you to get tested. If we can't do it on your own financially, just to make sure that we have a good time.

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Jay

We are all safe. We all open. Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing when it comes to being like, you know, obviously safe. Safe as like also knowing what my wife wants and her boundaries, knowing what my boundaries are, knowing what your boundaries are and really having an honest and open conversation, we'll say, hey, we like this. We like this, we like that.

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Jay

How do you feel about this? We had a couple guys like, nah, I'm not done with that. Okay, cool. A couple guys shoot some stuff at us, but now we're not done with that. Cool. Oh, you all stay to that. I'm a very open minded person, and I'm a very respectful person. I think me and my wife is very all of the same.

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Jay

So I want to make you feel comfortable and vice versa.

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Luna

Fuck yeah. Okay. Now let's get into the specifics. Take us through your personal formative sexual timeline, starting at the very beginning, and just walk us through what feels relevant. When do you first remember hearing about sex?

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Jay

I was in kindergarten and my babysitter was very touchy feely with me and my brother, and had us touch and feel her. Now, I don't know if I knew that was sex or sexual, but it felt super naughty, like this wasn't something we were supposed to be doing. I think she was maybe like 16 or something like that.

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Jay

I think she was in high school. I remember looking at her as an adult, but like looking back at it, she was in school, so she's probably just in high school. And what happened was my mother, she raised me and my brother majority by herself. She had to work multiple jobs to go from one job to the other job.

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Jay

So me and my brother after school would go to the babysitter house. Who had she lived in the old lady house. She had like 16 granddaughters, like a bunch of granddaughters, only like one grandson. And the oldest one used to watch us. So we was in a house full of just a bunch of girls, and we just got fondled and played with and like, it just seemed like that's what you supposed to do.

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Jay

You boy. The girl. You got a penis? I got a vagina. I'm not as far as my first sexual, like, really like what sex was. So I'm from New York, right? And my grandmother, she's like a lesbian. She's butch. Like that was. That nickname was. But people knew her in the streets. She was a crazy party crazy lady.

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Jay

She used to have these, like, video tapes. You know, at the top shelf was her porn collection. So the first time I seen porn, I remember, like, getting one video and popping it in, and it was like a lesbian porn, but, like, I remember watching it, I'm like, Holy shit, this is what adults do, right? And then my first full of sexual experience, like I'm like consciously having sex.

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Jay

As I was 13 years old, as a freshman in high school.

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Luna

Okay, so you were that was the first time you had, like a part. Did you go straight because you'd been doing the petting? Did you have basis or were you just like.

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Jay

Nah, it was a girl the like she was kind of known around the block. And I remember like, it's so funny how peer pressure happens. I remember being technically still a virgin at 13. Right? Like I've done things with a lot of women. Yeah, but I'd never fully penetrate. It was always the company grabbing, touching all those things, but never fully penetrated.

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Jay

Right. Especially I was really young as a kid. We didn't know what was, don't we? Just rubbing things on each other. But I remember thinking like, I don't want to be a virgin. All my friends aren't virgins. They are all blind. But we think everybody was having sex for me. So this girl around the block, who was relatively known to be a little bit loose, you know, so to speak, we was hanging out and like, you know, I brought her to my room and we did it like.

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Jay

And it was so bad. It was incredibly bad because as much of I thought, I know as much point, I've watched my grandmother house and played around. I really did not understand a woman's body. I just thought, you know, you take this, you put this here. The problem was that I could not find a home and I'm trying to search.

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Jay

Yeah, and she's not helping me. And she's like, what's going on? And I'm like, I'm trying. She's like, oh, you're virgin. I was like, don't. I'm not a virgin. Like to this day she don't even know she took my virginity. I was embarrassed, it wasn't fun. What's up? I don't know.

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Luna

Have you already discovered your own body at that point, like where you are? Yeah.

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Jay

You know what? Because we had sex a couple of times, and I actually, after she left, I went to go masturbate. I was like, I had more fun masturbating than having sex with her. Like, I feel like I experienced what most women experience when losing, evidently. Like, it just wasn't good.

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Luna

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, okay. So did it get better in your teen years? Like what kind of unfolded next? When do you feel like you started to get the hang of things and like, yeah, like, what were you like as you were growing up and turning into a man?

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Jay

You know, at that point I just started having more sex and like, you know what happened? As I'm beyond here, I start to realize that in this way becomes dangerous sex with a condom, which is, like, not fun, right? It becomes like numb. You get the regular Trojan condom that the corner store or, you know, you find a friend and like, you put it on and you having sex, and I almost feel like you're not doing anything.

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Jay

And like, you don't understand how to use lube, how to like, because that dries her out. And you keep doing it because you're like, hey, well, I don't want to get pregnant, nor do I want to STD until you find a one girl who's like, yeah, I'm cool with not using a condom. Then you're like, okay, fuck it.

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Jay

I'm try this. And then you realize, like, whoa, this is good. This is really, really good. And then you really understand what sex is about. I mean, the great story. I understand the consequences of it, but that's the truth.

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Luna

Yeah.

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Jay

My brother, she's on birth control. Or use the pull out method, because I jerked off so much and I got into this, like, aging thing that I knew how to, like, not as bossy, you know, not just get into, like, like having sex and controlling. Oh, shit. I came at, you know, she's like, get kind of birth control.

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Jay

I immediately pulled out. Maybe there's a lot of luck with that. But, like, no, I never got a girl pregnant.

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Luna

Good for you. Okay, so even back then, it sounds like maybe you were maybe keeping your sexual experiences to yourself. Did you ever learn stuff from other friends or anything useful in school or any formative education spaces like that?

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Jay

I mean, yeah, it was on Tyler Herro, but it was all the questions that came from, you know, talking to the girls. Like I had some real questions. Like, I think early on I understood, or at least I had the ability to swallow my pride, you know? And a lot of times the girls would be a little bit older.

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Jay

And they taught me that I was good, I was bad. Dudes don't do that. And I'm like, ask questions like, yo, like, listen, I'm gonna let you chew out and I need you to tell me, what am I doing good or what am I doing bad? Like, give me the specifics. I do not understand your anatomy, so I need you to educate me into, like.

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Jay

Okay. Yes. Don't do that. That's the way. Stop. Try this on. This is a clip. Okay. Got it. Thank you. That's what everybody be talking about. Like I have two access questions.

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Luna

That's amazing. I fucking love that you did that. That's super hot. So when did you feel like you started to, like, know what you were doing? When do you feel like that confidence was there in you?

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Jay

I don't know, man. I don't know, maybe when I got married, like, because I was married once, that I was married for like 12 years, and maybe that because we really grew most of my relationships was like, you know, was on and off. Like I never really got a chance to, like, grow with the girlfriend and learn, you know, that's what I told my son, actually, you know, he's 20 now, but back when he was younger, I asked him if he like, you know, a lot of virginity.

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Jay

He told me, yeah, I lost my virginity to this girl, but I've been sleeping with a couple of other girls. And I was like, here's what you do. Find someone that you really, really cool with and learn. Don't jump from girl to girl. The girl, the girl for multiple reasons. So we can all, like, understand. Yeah. But also just for your own education.

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Jay

Because, like, you just never gonna learn that way. Because what's going to happen is you're going to go give that one girl, you know, minimum dick, and you can go give the other girl a minimum of dating like, and you never going to be like, grow until you get that one girl. The y'all can sit down to experiment with, answer some questions, freak out some things, and then you buy.

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Jay

Okay, I'm starting to catch my thrive. Or the catch my stroke I'm starting to understand about. That's my advice.

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Luna

Damn, I wish you'd been there to talk to teenage me. That's great. I was definitely like, just trying to figure it out and couldn't didn't have one day hang on to to experiment with for a while. So what age did you get married the first time? Like like, do we need to know about your formative sex leading up to that?

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Luna

Like what feels relevant from that time period?

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Jay

I think we just basic sex, right? Find a girl, get her number, take on a date, try to smash I. There was anything special about that? I did meet my first wife when I was 19. I was in the army. I got stationed in Colorado, and then I met her. We got married close to when I was turning 21.

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Jay

She got pregnant with my son. Now she was already experienced. She had two kids prior, which is not common. Like you don't usually meet a girl, two kids and your wife. But I really loved her daughters. And they didn't have, like, a father in place, so I felt it was my responsibility to give these little girls a father figure.

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Jay

So I took them on. And then, you know, I married my ex-wife, and we had a kid, and I was married for 12 years, and during that time frame, as when we got introduced to the lifestyle, we got introduced to it about like, I don't know, 5 or 7 years and I think five years, but we don't actually do anything.

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Jay

So about like seven years that my wife was interested and being with another woman. And that's what kind of sparked it. This is back in like 2005, six seven. Some like we talked about it for a while, but we didn't really know how to go about it. And we wasn't going to like sleep with friends. That was even to this day, that's a hard no for me.

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Jay

Okay. However, one day I was watching a 2020 Dateline special or something, and it was like couples who who have a alternative lifestyle and it was very interesting. Never like the people actually do this. This is actually a thing. And of course, you know, back then, like we didn't have the internet that was so widely acceptable or available, especially for lifestyle couples and things like that.

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Jay

So we didn't run across our paths until we saw it and decline. And then because researcher right now it seems like everybody talks about the poly open seems like the hot topic of the day. Everybody talks about it. But back then it was like no one talked about it, which actually had more fun back that I felt like we was a part of, like the secret underworld.

00:22:55:18 - 00:23:23:09

Jay

Like no one ever. Data was super crazy once again. Nowadays is like, who hasn't done it in some form or fashion? But unfortunately though, get it into the lifestyle. So early on in our marriage and we was both relatively young, we did not have the communication skills or just how to be honest with each other, maybe even honest with ourselves to really facilitate a good experience.

00:23:23:11 - 00:23:33:13

Jay

And it led to like really eroding away our marriage and we kind of just drifted away. We both made a lot of mistakes and they of course it ended up in a divorce.

00:23:33:15 - 00:23:44:22

Luna

Okay. So was it during this time, would you say that you started to kind of like develop your confidence and like, what were you learning and noticing about your just body preferences, sexual self during that time?

00:23:45:00 - 00:24:06:15

Jay

Okay. So you never really know like how you match up with other people. Like, I mean, you watch porn, but like you don't really compare yourself to porn star regularly. Sometimes you're like 12in, like it's just unbelievable. But what started happening was because I am a black man in a very predominately white state like Colorado, I started to be around other white men.

00:24:06:21 - 00:24:27:14

Jay

And, you know, I hate to say, but I started to see the difference in size. I was standing out in the crowd and not saying, there's no white guys. I have big dicks. And I say no, totally. But it really started to make me feel like, you know, okay, maybe I got something in me. You know, I always said if I was in Atlanta, I was watching a lot of black guys, I probably would have been average.

00:24:27:18 - 00:24:46:20

Jay

I'm not like, I'm still a little bit above average. But in Colorado I was huge. So which made me a little bit of a hot commodity, especially compared to my wife, who weighed enough as much. Sometimes white couples enjoy black men. They don't have that same affinity to black women.

00:24:46:22 - 00:24:47:19

Luna

Really?

00:24:47:21 - 00:25:04:17

Jay

Yeah. She did not get the same. And my ex-wife is very attractive, super athletic, insane. She's not even just black. She's like half black and half green. But she didn't get the same fanfare as I did. We go to a party. You guys come up to her or me? But, hey, you might have. You fucked my wife. Never like.

00:25:04:22 - 00:25:11:17

Jay

Hey, you mind if I fuck your wife? You know what I'm saying? I don't know who's intimidated or what, but that just didn't happen a lot.

00:25:11:18 - 00:25:12:04

Luna

Wow.

00:25:12:10 - 00:25:17:21

Jay

But yes, it did help build my confidence and make me feel like, you know, I was someone special.

00:25:17:23 - 00:25:35:03

Luna

Yeah. On that note, I would love to hear, like, your favorite parts of feeling special. I know I love to come into relationships as a unicorn and just sort of like, add my presence. Like, what are the parts that are most exciting or gratifying to you when you're being a bull? And then like, what are the most exciting parts when you're on the other side?

00:25:35:05 - 00:25:57:21

Jay

Actually, I was going to talk about me being on the other side, because I think that gave me a way better understanding, you know, as I'm coming in and like, I'm enjoying this guy's wife. It's a very special moment for sure. It really is. Because, you know, they are opening up the house, the bedroom, the bed and inviting me in.

00:25:57:23 - 00:26:32:20

Jay

And a lot of times is without any strings and without any stress or heartache. And one out I got a wounded want it just, hey, show up, be respectful, be a gentleman, have energy and enjoy the moment. Right. And you know, and the sex is typically great. However, when you're on the other side. And as I transitioned from being a bull and I got into my current relationship and now I have become more of a stag, as we invite other BBQs in, then that really, really changed the game for me because I'm used to fucking women my whole life is what I'm saying.

00:26:32:20 - 00:26:48:12

Jay

Like my whole life. Yeah, I'm used to having sex. I'm not used to not being a one, having sex. So that role play was extremely exciting, very different. And there's a lot that comes with that. Yeah.

00:26:48:14 - 00:27:04:17

Luna

You mentioned a scenario in which you were like handing off your wife. I don't know if you want to jump ahead to that. The specifics are kind of like fill in more gaps between here and there and how you met. But I would just love to hear, like what that experience is like for you. Or if you stay, are you filming?

00:27:04:17 - 00:27:06:22

Luna

Like just give us some more details there.

00:27:07:00 - 00:27:35:05

Jay

Yeah. So, you know, as I started to explore my stag wife lifestyle and I really wanted to like, jump into it and really like because that once again, I've been the bull. I've seen it. But, you know, as you, as a bull, like in my mind, I was like, why do you guys do that? Why would a guy bring in another man who may be bigger than him, sometimes even more dominant, just because his physicality allow him to be with his wife?

00:27:35:05 - 00:27:56:11

Jay

I'm like, wow, that's crazy. But now I have the chance to experience it and only experience it. We recorded it. And you know, this is what our OnlyFans page is based around. So there's a lot of like videos that we have posted, and I only fail to show our journey because I really wanted to like, showcase it, because when a man comes over, we have these conversations.

00:27:56:11 - 00:28:13:05

Jay

I'm looking at him, he's looking at me, and I can tell he can be somewhat, sometimes a little bit timid. I was a timid but little bit intimidated because I am a physical presence. I'm strong, athletic. If you know me, you know that like I come from a strong, combative background as far as fighting and things like that.

00:28:13:07 - 00:28:31:22

Jay

And also I got a bit thick too. You know, I'm saying. So a lot of times these guys are coming in and like it's not a typical situation because these are not a lot of black static. So that's actually kind of rare or even black cock ups. So for them to look at me, they usually look at me like I'm on this side, but I'm like, no, no, I'm actually on the other side.

00:28:32:03 - 00:29:02:14

Jay

Like, I need you to play the dominant BBC fulfilled this fantasy that me and my wife has. I know it's different about, you know, me walk into but like enjoy the moment and like and embrace it. And so yes, I've been situations where I have literally took my wife's hand and put it in the hand of another man and give her a kiss goodbye as I sat there and watch her enjoy herself, which is extremely hot and exciting.

00:29:02:16 - 00:29:11:20

Luna

But so hot. It's so hot. And you said you get video clips sometimes from like when they're playing or, or is it always after? Like, how does that work if you're not there?

00:29:11:22 - 00:29:30:05

Jay

So I've done it all the ways, right? So I've done it. Whereas I was actually did I join in. It was almost more of a threesome, right? Fun. I don't know where it was, more of a stag where I'm just kind of watching and facilitating, helping out. I even did it where it was like little bit more of a cock situation where I'm like, wait until it's done.

00:29:30:05 - 00:29:47:04

Jay

Then I have to clean up and really, like, listen to her command. So little bit more of a submissive. I think that's the difference between a stag and a cock. A stag is still very dominant in a situation. A cock is a little bit more submissive, and I think I've played that role to give my wife the full power.

00:29:47:06 - 00:30:01:10

Jay

Then I've done it, whereas I would take her or we had two hotel rooms, I would she would go down to the other hotel room with the guy, and then I would come in at the tail end or job to off at his apartment. And then when she was done and she attacked me and say, hey, I'm done.

00:30:01:10 - 00:30:20:21

Jay

And I would come up and maybe I will reclaim her right then and there. And then we also done it. Whereas she totally went on a date, I stayed home. We actually got her like a baby, newborn baby together. She totally went out, had a great time. And then I end and I'll wait till she come back home or while I'm watching the kid and doing all the cleaning.

00:30:20:21 - 00:30:45:16

Jay

The house wasn't basketball or whatever. Yeah. And what does she get home and. But yet you will always record everything, even if I'm there physically recording, which sometimes gives me the best angles and I could really anyway, ever try to fucking record is really tough, but I can get the best angles. But also when I'm not there, she definitely records and that really gives her the opportunity to just be free and not have to worry about me in any form or fashion.

00:30:45:18 - 00:30:49:01

Jay

So that's dope has this like specialty to it too.

00:30:49:03 - 00:31:07:21

Luna

That's amazing. You are the first stag I have spoken to who admits to sprinklings of cock feelings. How do you organize it in your brain or heart? And like what activates each like? Is it the other partner? Is it your mood? Is it your wife's mood like how do you kind of like figure out which dynamic you're existing in?

00:31:07:23 - 00:31:31:12

Jay

You know, there's two ways I'm gonna tell you something I don't have ever told anyone besides my wife. I think sometimes PMS can be more of a cock when the guy's cock is bigger than mine, and then I could be slightly submissive to that. Other than that, it comes down to like when my wife wants me to like server and whenever what she's feeling at the moment.

00:31:31:14 - 00:31:44:22

Luna

Oh yummy. This is a specific question, but can you tell by eyeballing if your cock is bigger or smaller than another cock? Or you have to, like, put them next to each other or they're like a threshold?

00:31:45:00 - 00:32:00:05

Jay

I mean, sometimes it's difficult, you know, sometimes it can be just a matter of like, I'm a bit thicker, you may be longer. I'm actually a pretty thick guy. So like, it's usually not so much sticking to me. But sometimes I could be thinking the guy can be longer, or sometimes he's longer and just as thick. Sometimes it's difficult.

00:32:00:05 - 00:32:15:05

Jay

Maybe I just downplayed in my head, but hey, I think the guy's big to me. And my wife, actually, and I'm the one is sucking both dicks I can pull on my hand. You just as big as him. And I'm like, really? I'm right. He just looks bigger. But then again, you get those and you be like, okay, he's bigger.

00:32:15:10 - 00:32:18:06

Jay

Like you. Just like. Like he always you can tell.

00:32:18:08 - 00:32:26:19

Luna

Oh my gosh. So, do you ever play with them too? Or like, have you done also threesomes like a two boys situation.

00:32:26:21 - 00:32:50:04

Jay

Yeah, I've done it on both ends. Right. I've done it as a BBQ. Whereas the couple wanted more male on male contact and usually the husband would serve me. I let him give me a blowjob or like he loves to like take my cock and go into his wife those things or even clean me off. And if I'm honest, I've actually done it the same as a stag.

00:32:50:04 - 00:33:08:02

Jay

I think that's when you kind of go into more of a cock situation. It's so weird because, like, I don't consider myself by because, like, I don't find men attractive. Yeah. But I yeah, I'm like in the midst of, like, everything's super hot and horny and like a pansexual and like, if it's if it feels good to it, my wife wants it to work.

00:33:08:04 - 00:33:37:07

Jay

It's mentally put me in a place that I can, like, make things happen that I'm doing fucking the one that I think that was really hard is when my wife was over me. She was like 69 and and her bald was fucking her dog, you know, it was called fuck licking. Although she's being fucked by his and he actually had a really big cock, so she was being fucked by his like gigantic cock and I was like a hot pussy, which in turn is like, you going to get some juices in both hands, man, like in your mouth.

00:33:37:07 - 00:33:53:16

Jay

And I'm, I'm and like a click. But I'm also going to lick his cock because it just is impossible to, like always hit that same spot. So I think both from enjoyed it. She definitely enjoyed it because she has a huge fantasy of seeing two black guys going at it, so I try to get close to that edge, especially for her.

00:33:53:21 - 00:33:55:18

Jay

That's still within my comfort zone.

00:33:55:19 - 00:34:10:10

Luna

Fuck yeah. Okay. Sounds like you have a lot of experience in so many different configurations of threesomes. It's one of the most common things I get questions about. So I'm curious if you have any like threesome wisdom for anyone out there listening.

00:34:10:12 - 00:34:28:12

Jay

Yeah. So one of the first things to me and my wife always do, we vet the guy as far as, you know, go get tested like we need you to be tested. You're like a week of like, not two months ago because we like playing bareback. I think that's the funnest way. I don't think he's ever been. A god is like, hey, man, I like condoms more than a non condoms.

00:34:28:12 - 00:34:47:13

Jay

Even women like no condoms. But sometimes it can be very scary. But we need you to be safe past that. The biggest thing when it comes to threesome is communication. Everybody needs to communicate with everybody. Like obviously the husband or wife. They need to communicate with each other, understanding boundaries, what they look for, you know, do they have any no goals or goals.

00:34:47:15 - 00:35:04:18

Jay

And then, you know, the husband should communicate with the third guy. The wife should communicate with the third guy and vice versa. And I want some times and in this always some guys don't make it to the bedroom. Right. We had conversation with the guy with acts and questions we asked Mr. basic questions, hey, what turns you on?

00:35:04:19 - 00:35:25:22

Jay

And he was like, everything I is like having sex and we like, okay, that's fucking vague and super boring. Give us some details. What kinks do you have? What makes you special amongst all the other guys? If you cannot articulate yourself and know how to make things hard because you know how it is a woman, you have to activate the mind before you get activated.

00:35:25:22 - 00:35:43:17

Jay

Body. Yeah. You know, and if you don't have the skills, the verbal skills to do it, it just ain't going to work for us because my wife just don't jump in every day. She doesn't like to just get bang. Fuck. She wants to know there's a real connection. So communication is key. Ask questions. Acts questions, ask questions. Do you like this?

00:35:43:17 - 00:36:03:14

Jay

Do you want this? How do you feel about this? Like don't be afraid to say no. Yeah. Sometimes things just in a good fit. But I'd rather you asked the question and then we actually do it in them like we everybody's uncomfortable. So three sounds to me it's all about communication. Now for the husband has a key thing for a husband.

00:36:03:14 - 00:36:28:19

Jay

Any husband is thinking about doing this. Understand you don't have control. Understand whatever picture that you have fantasizing in your head. It may not play out like that. Give up the control. Because don't forget this. Two are the human beings. They are not puppets. You cannot control them. Don't start making all these rules, all these situations that you have in your head that you want to explore.

00:36:28:21 - 00:36:46:18

Jay

You have to let things play out organically because you going to find yourself very disappointed, maybe even hurt, or just not having a good time enjoying what's happening. Because sometimes the unknown will be some of your sexiest moments.

00:36:46:19 - 00:37:02:08

Luna

Damn, that is so true. There have been so many times where like, yeah, those unexpected surprises reach new heights of pleasure. That's so cool. But yeah, you got to be open to it. Could you tell us now what your favorite body feelings or physical sensations are?

00:37:02:10 - 00:37:20:03

Jay

I mean, for me it's like with nipple play, like I give you one example and I'm really thinking about this video that we did, and it's so weird because like, you post videos on your OnlyFans page and it's like the ones you posted don't even think like I no one is going to like it. Those the ones that get a lot of fanfare and what you think you're like, oh, everybody's going to like this.

00:37:20:03 - 00:37:23:03

Jay

You get like a little fanfare. It's so weird how people get turned on.

00:37:23:06 - 00:37:24:02

Luna

We can't control.

00:37:24:02 - 00:37:52:00

Jay

It, right? Right. But the one that I really enjoy and I think we got a lot of fanfare, not only fans. Page was my wife was getting fucked doggy and she was just licking my nipples, and that was like heaven to me. Or sensitive nipples. And she knows that's my place. But to have the visual of her being bent over and fucked and she's hitting my most sensitive area and we have this all like video tape that to me was the best.

00:37:52:00 - 00:38:03:06

Jay

So that sensory plate, just tongue, a nipple, nothing. Nothing too crazy not using any whips or any things like that and just hitting that spot. You hit that spot. You could like, turn me on. Like, even if I wasn't turned on and that was it.

00:38:03:08 - 00:38:09:01

Luna

Oh. That's amazing. What about your favorite parts of your wife's body?

00:38:09:03 - 00:38:25:20

Jay

I mean, I guess I could be pretty basic on this one. Like, I, I love her ass. She has an incredible ass as a brother. You know, we all about the booty and like. And that that was the first thing I drew me to. And when I first met her, you know, met her at the dance studio, she was doing bachata.

00:38:25:22 - 00:38:39:18

Jay

And I just looked across the room and I just saw just a little bit of a taller woman. She's like five sevens, a little bit taller. Woman has just stuck out to me. And I was like, damn, that is nice. And funny enough, I don't even have the nerve to even go talk to her because I was actually there with another girl.

00:38:39:20 - 00:38:57:11

Jay

But she came to talk to me. But I was very respectful because I was there with another woman. Mean the other woman didn't work out and I just looked up on Instagram. But yeah, it's definitely her eyes. She do that? Some beautiful lips though. She has right here, which I love. You know, I was into redheads, but I guess that's the thing for me now.

00:38:57:13 - 00:38:58:21

Jay

She has a lot going on.

00:38:58:23 - 00:39:04:23

Luna

Oh that's amazing. Are you into anal also or is it just asses?

00:39:05:01 - 00:39:21:13

Jay

Yeah. Just asses. I'm not big into. You know, I do enjoy anal, but I won't say I'm a anal fanatic, but funny enough, she is actually okay. Yeah, she's the one I've done. Anal. Didn't really go there. I've had girls even ask me to do it on the go, but, like, she needs it.

00:39:21:15 - 00:39:22:07

Luna

Oh.

00:39:22:09 - 00:39:42:15

Jay

Oh my God, she like, that's how come. But when I start playing. Whereas what a butt plug my finger. Definitely my cock. That's how she comes is really interesting. She's the only woman I've noticed like that. She definitely wants to try deep. We've tried it, but I still got to learn my body cause I'm like, reconfigure and get there because, you know, you got to start so slow.

00:39:42:15 - 00:39:59:22

Jay

And I was like, man, I just cannot make it happen. On it. Look so easy in porn. But I think most girls like, just takes it and I can just shove it in. Yeah. So it takes a little bit more configuration than I expected, but she loves anal and I love playing with guys.

00:40:00:00 - 00:40:08:05

Luna

Oh, I love that. What else is on your bucket list together? What other kinks or whatever else would you like to explore going forward? Together or separately?

00:40:08:07 - 00:40:28:11

Jay

Yeah, we don't do things separate. I mean, I guess she does it a little bit, you know, as much hot wife experiences, you know, that we have had and which is really been in the last year. You know, I just want to grow with that. The world just really would like to find a guy who's, like, super open minded by comfortable, have the best ability and honesty like, hey, you know, relationship, communicate.

00:40:28:12 - 00:40:48:17

Jay

Let us know so we don't bother you. But you know, don't just like set plans up and cancel, which is super flaky. I mean, she just wants some more cock, honestly. And to keep it pretty basic and I want to watch normal. So we're hoping to have some really great experiences this summer and produce some really great hot wife content and just enjoy life.

00:40:48:19 - 00:41:02:12

Luna

That's that. Would you feel comfy walking us through a little bit of what the conversation was like when you were first like, hey honey, like hot wife stuff because you said she wasn't into it at first and your current wife is not bisexual, is that correct?

00:41:02:14 - 00:41:08:13

Jay

Yes. You're not bisexual, okay. No. I mean, she was she was. She just wasn't into sharing me.

00:41:08:15 - 00:41:11:19

Luna

Oh. Oh, I totally misunderstood that. Okay. Got it.

00:41:11:21 - 00:41:32:21

Jay

Yeah, yeah. So like, because she had a friend who poly. So if you understand the whole and, ethical non-monogamy shows that that. But you also have another friend who actually is a cook. And this is probably happened like 3 or 4 years ago, and it was all in Mexico. And her girlfriend was like, hey, my husband, like, I mean, fuck other guys.

00:41:32:21 - 00:41:55:12

Jay

And she was like, what? And she was like, I can't believe you guys would allow that to happen. And a year later, she meets me, right? She's always been very strictly, sometimes even controlling monogamous relationships in marriages. She's been married twice, so she was into it. So when I first met her, my goal was to set the stage so she understand who I was and what I was about.

00:41:55:12 - 00:42:08:18

Jay

I didn't want to wait for six months to a year down the road to drop this bomb or be like, hey, I got this fantasy. I want to know if she was into it from day one. So I was pretty straight forward, like, you know, first couple of dates like, hey, I got this kink. I don't know if you ever want to try it.

00:42:09:00 - 00:42:17:13

Jay

And she was like, yeah, that sounds really sexy. But of course you wanted to get to know me more. Yeah. But our relationship. So we didn't do anything for like the first year and a half.

00:42:17:15 - 00:42:22:05

Luna

Okay. So you were honest early on, then built the trust and then started exploring.

00:42:22:07 - 00:42:22:22

Jay

Yeah.

00:42:23:00 - 00:42:32:16

Luna

That's awesome. How often do you watch the content that you've created together, like beyond the initial creation process or any editing? But do you, like go back and watch your own porn?

00:42:32:18 - 00:42:52:07

Jay

Yeah. You know, it's so funny because right now my wife is in the mountains with her girlfriend. So I'm here for like two, two and a half days by myself. Right? You know, I watch a little porn, and sometimes the porn just don't get it. Just don't get me there. So I go back to our only fan page, and I watch videos, like, all the time.

00:42:52:07 - 00:42:57:17

Jay

That's so hot. Sometimes I forget about things. I'm like, oh, shit, we did do that. Yeah, I love it.

00:42:57:19 - 00:42:59:06

Luna

Oh dear.

00:42:59:06 - 00:43:02:08

Jay

I know we have great content is when I still get turned on by.

00:43:02:09 - 00:43:09:03

Luna

Yeah. Absolutely amazing. Do you have a favorite place to meet your play partners?

00:43:09:05 - 00:43:20:13

Jay

We like to do a bar, you know, we like to go out to city so we don't really do it in our city because we just don't want to run into anyone. That's one scene as well, like some other black guy. I, me, my wife, you know, like kind of sitting there like, what the fuck is he doing?

00:43:20:13 - 00:43:40:17

Jay

Like you. Hey, Jay, I didn't know you like that. And so we are very, very secretive. Especially me. More so me than her chief told her girlfriends did. A lot of them was all like, kind of open in some form or fashion or by gay or lesbian, my friend. They like strictly heterosexual, you know, manly men, right? At least that's what they say to me in my face.

00:43:40:17 - 00:43:44:17

Jay

I don't know what they're doing in the bedroom. They could be just like me. Closet freaks.

00:43:44:19 - 00:43:45:10

Luna

Maybe.

00:43:45:10 - 00:43:56:21

Jay

But we like to go out of town and find a nice bar and meet, drink and talk before we go to the bedroom. Like, see if there's actually a real connection. This past text or sexting.

00:43:56:23 - 00:44:03:03

Luna

Yeah. And so are you meeting people primarily online or on apps first and then going to meet them in person?

00:44:03:05 - 00:44:06:03

Jay

Correct. Yeah. I was doing Cassidy for a while.

00:44:06:05 - 00:44:13:20

Luna

Fuck yeah. Okay. Any other hopes for your sex life going forward or just thoughts on sex in general?

00:44:13:22 - 00:44:37:01

Jay

No. See, the thing about sex is you start to realize that when you give into the thought of like, there's so much possibilities and so many different areas that you can explore, especially that someone that could be open, you could trust, you could communicate, you could tell them the naughty things in your mind, like, I know couples. I was actually speaking to one couple, a vanilla couple, friendly couple.

00:44:37:03 - 00:45:02:22

Jay

And she's like, yeah, my husband to watch porn to. That makes me feel uncomfortable. And I was like, bro, you don't watch porn? He's she's like, yeah, you don't like it? Because then she was like, well, we make videos, so you want something? You could just watch our videos as a kid, but you don't do anything. You don't know what kinks that he may be into that you may not want to do like you like let that man explore and let that man like, let sounds so claustrophobic, so mentally claustrophobic.

00:45:02:22 - 00:45:10:10

Jay

Don't live like that. Don't be a shame. Like, there are so many things out there. Like, I think the men shut off because it's stigmas.

00:45:10:12 - 00:45:10:19

Luna

Yeah.

00:45:10:20 - 00:45:29:14

Jay

And that isn't coming from the South or from other men, sometimes women, and especially in the black community. If I told some of my black women, friends of black friends. So when I stuff I do like yo, you get that's that you get oh, I'm not I'm not gay. You are jealous of man. You was actually fucking with another dick in the room.

00:45:29:16 - 00:45:47:11

Jay

You guys get like, I didn't even touch the guy. He didn't touch me. That makes me get. You didn't get. But I was a boy. That was fucking his wife. You know what I'm saying? Like like so many closed minded people that, like, I would tell, I would say, hey, you're still alive. Live your life. Everybody dies. But not everybody really lives.

00:45:47:13 - 00:45:50:09

Jay

So go enjoy and fuck with people. Say.

00:45:50:11 - 00:46:02:14

Luna

Fuck yeah, okay. If you got to build your own perfect playroom, castle house, mansion, whatever with an unlimited budget for you guys to play and what would it be like?

00:46:02:16 - 00:46:20:19

Jay

Yeah, I would probably. You build a room when I set up a bunch of cameras, get all the best light, you get all the best angles, so I don't have to work so hard when I'm recording. You know, be really great that I just, like, click camera one, TV one like two here. Like a whole production. I mean, I don't really like production porn.

00:46:20:21 - 00:46:37:05

Jay

I like amateur porn. Percent on amateur porn. Like the angles be wrong. Like, come on man, move, move. Your all the shadowing and all I do, which is something I pay attention to when I am recording. I'm trying to get the best angles that I think people will enjoy, but it'd be nice if I already had setups that I don't have to work as hard.

00:46:37:07 - 00:46:47:17

Luna

Totally, totally. Okay, and lastly, if you could go back in time and give younger you a piece of sex advice, what age or ages would you pick and what would you say?

00:46:47:19 - 00:46:52:00

Jay

It's so weird because like, if I change anything, like it wouldn't bring me to this place. I am.

00:46:52:00 - 00:46:53:12

Luna

Totally, totally, you.

00:46:53:12 - 00:47:11:23

Jay

Know, if I get it, I'm happy now. But the one thing I would say is that I would have told myself that, like, you know, be more honest because of my sometimes dishonesty which led to infidelity issues. Know I hurt people and sometimes that hurt don't ever go away. Like people could get over it and and forgive went out.

00:47:11:23 - 00:47:27:01

Jay

But like that hurt can like staying in traumatized people. And I hate to know that I've hurt anyone to the point that it could be traumatized. So, like, you know, I wish I was way more honest, not only with other people, but with myself, that it was point in time that I was like, I'm against this. I'm against that.

00:47:27:03 - 00:47:39:20

Jay

I lost good years of like just living my best life. Yeah. So really great honesty and openness. It's one of the things I would try to teach myself. My past version.

00:47:39:22 - 00:47:46:06

Luna

Beautiful. Jake, can you tell us where to find you on the internet? And lovers, there will be links in the description below.

00:47:46:08 - 00:48:06:21

Jay

Yeah, so you could find our Twitter account, which is hot wife Sheila. We have a lot of free content there. And then from there it has a link to our own events page, which is our Sheila exposure. If you want to like access easy questions, you can go to the Twitter. But if you want to like really get deep and like sometimes like my wife is sexting and talking and really communicating.

00:48:06:23 - 00:48:19:18

Jay

It's the only fan page. But we do have a lot of free content and our Twitter account. So you get a good idea of what stuff we produce. But yeah, those are the two basic ways to contact us and hopefully you enjoy what you see.

00:48:19:20 - 00:48:23:22

Luna

Awesome. Jay, thank you so much for being a guest on Sex Stories.

00:48:24:00 - 00:48:25:03

Jay

No. Where is your welcome.