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30 bisexual white cis female, 3 months into a monogamous relationship with a dude; she is a cozy type of sexy, loves spit, choking and butt stuff and is exploring ladies and play parties. A manager of a teeny shop from Alberta, Canada.

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Luna

Our guest today is a 30 year old bisexual, white cis female who is three months into a monogamous relationship with a dude. She is a cozy type of sexy love spit, choking and butt stuff and is exploring ladies and play parties. A manager of a tiny shop from Alberta, Canada. Welcome, Erin.

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Erin

Hi. I'm so excited to be here.

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Luna

Oh, I am so excited to have you here. Can you start off, please, by telling us if you had to rate yourself on a sexual shaming meter with ten being the most full of shame and one being not so shaming, where do you fall right now? Today?

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Erin

Right now? Today, I would say like a 2.5 or a one.

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Luna

Oh, okay.

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Erin

Yeah. I feel like I've come a long way in that sort of whole realm. But yeah, I feel great. I'm flattered to be here, and I love talking about sex.

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Luna

Well, you do this for, like, highlights, highs and lows of your shame. A meter. Like when it pops up, when it goes down or what it's been like historically. Just in the overview sense.

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Erin

So first having sex, it was, like extremely high, like as a teenager. And I think it was like mostly just me feeling so uncomfortable with my own body. And that kind of took a deep dive, like as low as it could go probably. And early 20s was just when I'm a little bit of a slut rampage and it probably wasn't the healthiest of times, but, you know, it was what it was.

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Erin

And then just kind of working on my body image and sort of like growth and, you know, all the things. Therapy, of course, is super and just sort of on the up and up or I guess low and lower.

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Luna

Down and.

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Erin

Down.

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Luna

Okay. So these days, do you usually hover between a half and a one or does it spike up ever? Like what circumstances cause spikes?

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Erin

Honestly, I'd say I kind of hover around that. I have like a really great circle of friends and that I've sort of, like built in the last few years. And on its own. You talk a lot about sex. I'm very comfortable talking about sex with my family. So no, I feel yeah, Max, it kind of gets is maybe like a two in the last few years.

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Erin

And. Yeah. Okay.

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Luna

So tell us, what is your sex life like right now?

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Erin

Well, like, I'd probably the best it's ever been is really. Congratulations. I know, it's really, really fun. We're sort of like, doing a little bit of a long distance thing, but honestly, I feel like that makes it even more fun, because when we get together with each other on weekends, basically, and it's just like all that fun, sort of like build up during the week and then awesome, like great times and the weekend.

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Luna

Oh fuck yes. I love built in tension.

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Erin

And lots of exploration. And so just trying to work on my, my, nude game, like sending nudes and, you know, it's a work in progress.

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Luna

We give us a little overview of the exploration.

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Erin

So I honestly have no idea how we sort of ended up on the same page. I asked him about it today because I wanted to be sure for you. I think it started when we first got together, and it was just like talking about how I like things, like quite rough, and I'm like really keen to explore, like consensual online consent and sort of like going into that, like realm of things.

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Erin

And apparently he's never really deep dived into that either. Deep dove. Anyway. And so yeah, we've kind of just been like exploring that together and things for getting rough in a good way.

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Luna

Oh my God, that's so exciting. Okay, so tell us then.

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Erin

What.

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Luna

Do you love the most about your sex life right now?

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Erin

Spit probably. Cuz like, I don't know how I got into it, but, like, I really love like that in my mouth. Spit on me, spit like I love doggystyle and like, spit like on and in my like bum area. And just. Yeah, I like it sloppy. I love that. Okay.

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Luna

What makes you an excellent lover and what would you say your best qualities as a lover are?

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Erin

Right in this moment I would have to say communication and sort of like my, willingness to learn and like, adapt. I got like, sort of like, go with the flow and, you know, sometimes, like, stuff isn't always that sexy. Like, you could be in the heat of, like, a moment and, you know, being able to, like, have a little giggle and like, reevaluate or, you know, like, change that to sort of keep that going.

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Erin

Yeah. What about a specific skill?

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Luna

Communication is important, but it's a good background, an entryway. So unless you're like dirty talk, then tell us how like, is there something that you would love to brag about sexy wise for yourself?

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Erin

I know exactly what it is. I have an amazing, like, my butthole is a star. Like, I don't know how. I don't know how that happens, but it just goes with it, like, it's, like spontaneous, like. But stuff, it just. It works for some reason. It's so. So. Yeah. My butthole. Let's talk about that. Fucking awesome.

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Erin

I fucking love that. Okay.

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Luna

How do you invite a partner to have sex with you? Like, what are the signals? What do you do when you initiate?

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Erin

I am really bad at initiating, actually. Like, for real, I get, I wouldn't say like, shame, but like, I get nervous. So I'd say as I'm trying to get better, I think just having sort of like those like explicit talks or even like text messages of just being like, hey, when you get here tonight, can you just like take me as I am kind of thing?

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Erin

And just like, which technically is them initiating, but I'm trying to get that ball rolling. So basically I suck at it, but I'm wanting to improve.

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Luna

It sounds like you're developing an asking practice and implementing it. I too am. So I recently realized that as I practice my asking, sometimes I still get stuck. And then I made a list and I sent a list. And then I got a really big even just from sending a list of things that I want and like and, and I knew I was open to it.

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Luna

I was like, you know, which is just interesting because I was like, all right, she really does want other people to do stuff. It's not exactly true, but like, it sure is.

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Erin

Nice. Comes across. Yeah, yeah, I definitely want to improve. Like, I'd love to be that kind of woman who's just like, jump on and then is like, you know.

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Luna

Would it feel accurate to say it? You are improving.

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Erin

I am definitely improving. I think even just by naming it and like naming it here, naming it to my partner, I think that's an improvement just in itself.

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Luna

Fuck yeah. Okay, tell us now what is sexy to you?

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Erin

Okay. I racked my brain about this. I've noticed that a lot of people say that. It's all, like, sort of like mental psychological stuff. I, I'm still stuck on physical things. So I have to say, I love hands like, oh, man, it's just, I don't know what it is, but it's just like all the tingles. But the right hands and not even touching me, just looking at, oh.

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Luna

I get it.

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Erin

And I really like shoulders and like arms of just like, not like muscly, but just like, toned. I wouldn't say aggressive either, but just kind of like power. And then when it comes to personality, I do think people taking a lead is just such a turn on to me. Like any sort of like dominant assertive energy is just does it for me.

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Luna

Have you been in a moment where someone has taken the lead in a direction? You were like, oh no, fuck, not that lead? Like, is that easy for you to assert or no thank you.

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Erin

I would say no again. I'm trying to get much better at that, but I would say it's pretty hard for me to say no without feeling like, fuck, I don't want to hurt their feelings. I'm like, I guess I can do it. I'm just not the most comfortable with it, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah.

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Luna

It sounds like maybe then most of the people taking the lead have been, like, at least tolerable, if not yummy. In your experience so far.

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Erin

Told slate. Totally cool. Yeah. And usually it's like, well, like 99% of the time it's people that have like we have some sort of connection. It's not just right off the hook kind of thing. Yeah.

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Luna

Also, I totally feel you on the kind of like mental physical, like I'm very hung up in the physical. I also really like the mental. And I'm currently focusing my noodle energy on figuring out filtration, because when I do, like a lot of people like I, it could be very easy for me to spend my time fucking people.

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Luna

So I'm putting in parameters, but I'm like, if someone just touches me that I'm very turned on pretty quickly in, you know, within a certain set of parameters. But then the rest of the time I do. What mental stuff do you feel like if you have someone that's already past the physical barrier with you, the mental like ramps it up?

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Erin

Oh for sure, like absolutely tenfold. And I've started to realize to like, I don't know if it's an age thing, like as I've gotten older, but I feel like it's definitely starting to shift away from the, like, stereotypical sexy, like physical things and more into the mental side of things. I'm like connection. Yeah.

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Luna

Unless they're just like a big, beautiful hand right there.

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Erin

Are you right? Yes.

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Luna

Actually, my current spanking partner, like, we met in a professional setting, and I was just, like, staring at his hands. And then I found out way later that he was into spanking, and I was like, oh, so I really feel you on that one. Tell us now, when do you feel sexiest?

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Erin

I think honestly, like camping or like a long road trip and, you know, you're just kind of like in your body. You're having like an experience, like things are kind of coming out to the world. That sounds really silly, but I like just being like out, out and about. And I think that I don't have any better words to describe it honestly.

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Luna

Well, here's a question for you. I heard you say you're getting into roughness and now I'm hearing some nature stuff. Are you familiar with primal play? Like this primal stuff appeal to you? Is that a label that fits you?

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Erin

I don't know, I guess I've never thought about it, but I'm. That's something I'm definitely going to put in my little notebook. Well.

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Luna

If you explore it and learn some stuff, either way, let us know. Okay. Can you give us now an example of sexy, explicitly clear? Yes. That you have either given or received from to a partner that has led to something super hot.

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Erin

It was actually like just really recently, and I was just talking about some of the like really rough stuff that I wanted to have, like done to me basically, and just having my partner be like, yes, I can make that happen. Sort of like, can you build out like your fantasy surrounding that? And like, how can we make that real in real life?

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Erin

And so that was super hot. And just to feel like that amount of support and just like a super hard yes from him, just like kind of took away all that like angst surrounding how is this actually going to roll out. So we kind of like build that fantasy together. So I'm really excited.

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Luna

That's amazing. When you tell someone that you got laid last night, what do you usually mean? What is sex for you?

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Erin

Sex to me again, this is probably kind of dated. I think, but it's like penetrative sex. Aside from like, the lines kind of get blurred to me when I have encounters with women. So then in that regard, I kind of think oral sex, but as far as like a hetero dynamic, it's penetrative.

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Luna

But also, if you got fucked by a lesbian in a strap on, that would be sex too, right? For sure.

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Erin

Okay, okay, I just like I was telling my mom about this. She teaches like sex ed and it's like the LGBTQ plus support. Like in schools. They have a like a club. So she holds that space for teens and young people. And so she was saying that most of the people that she's speaking with identify sex as being like oral sex, penetrative sex, like there's such a different range, kind of like a lot of the people that you speak with.

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Erin

And to me, I'm like, no, to me it's like, and then try and anyway. So it's just it's just like, I don't know how you got that idea of.

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Luna

Well, it is interesting because also in general, like oral is on the rise, like historically, it's a pretty fucking big deal for someone to even get a blowjob. Just based on the history, the personal histories that keep getting shared with me. This is my unprofessional anecdotal research yields. But, you know, now it's what people will offer mouth jobs in place of penetrative stuff.

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Luna

So I think it's just like fun to talk about. And I'm, I don't know, I'm everywhere on it. I'm like, yeah, fucking whatever, I don't know, it change totally changes. Okay.

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Erin

I've just realized that, like, the shame meter has slipped up a little bit.

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Luna

Thank you for sharing.

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Erin

I'm like, wow, there is some level of like, feeling about pain that because it's like, in my mind, I know that there's so many different forms of, yeah, relationships and dynamics. And so to be like, well, penetrative is the way I view it and it feels accurate, like to me. But also I know like globally in the bigger sense, it doesn't sound accurate if that makes that like.

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Luna

Oh my God, it makes so much sense. And thank you for sharing that, because I have those feelings all the time. And I think it's good to just be like, oh yeah, well, like when people say sex, I do still think that is what I was trained in the world I grew up in. I also my personal definition has expanded, but I will unconsciously slip backwards unless I'm in a heavily queer space, which I just was all weekend.

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Luna

But also since studying sex work so deeply, sex now means one very specific thing, and so it's very contextual. And so I love this question. I also just like love spaces where we can like, feel vulnerable and say stuff. And I love that we can be like, oh yeah, this still makes me uncomfortable. It happens to me all the time.

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Erin

Totally. Yeah. And just being able to identify it is I feel like such a good step in the right direction of like, yeah, switch in the stereotypical norms and yeah, fuck yeah.

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Luna

Okay. So sounds like maybe you got a sex education from a parent in school. Something helpful growing up?

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Erin

Yes. Again, I talked to my mom earlier about this, and she wasn't as like a teacher when I was growing up. I grew up in, like, a really, really, like, liberal, accepting, non-religious, sort of like household. Even with my grandparents and stuff. They were never religious, religious. So I feel like everyone was pretty open to that as far as I remember.

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Erin

I don't actually remember the way that the conversation rolled out with my parents for like, a sex talk, but my mom was saying that we were driving in a car. I asked mom what sex? And I guess she said, well, it's, you know, usually a man and a woman. Of course, like, this is early 90s. Yeah. The man puts his penis in the woman's vagina.

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Erin

Alibaba. And she is like my birth control and consent along with that. And I guess I just started laughing and I was like, I would never trust a man with birth control. What? What the hell that's supposed to mean? Coming from, like, a little kid, I guess I thought that was a area. And then I remember at school I was a really shy kid, and we had the typical, like, not pleasure centered or anything, just like, you know.

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Erin

Yes. Vagina sex and safety around that and diseases and stuff with that. And my mom, I had like want it to be prepared. So she had talked to me all about like what to expect during those conversations and everything to ease my anxiety and I guess I got home and I was like, super, super pissed off, you know, what's the matter?

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Erin

And I was like, you never told me about wet dreams. I didn't know about what dreams.

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Erin

To tell you about that. And apparently I was like, really, really devastated that I wasn't prepared to talk about wet dreams or learn about wet dreams. It's like, okay, so ridiculous. They also, I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, I don't know, I don't recall hearing in any previous episodes, but at school they had a sex like puppet.

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Erin

It was like a little guy that the person would use to like to make it like more fun for kids or whatever.

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Luna

No one has talked about a sex puppet to me yet. So what did this sex puppet look like?

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Erin

Creepy. It wasn't really like any sort of, like, identifiable character. Like he wasn't an animal of sorts, but like, he kind of looked like, you know, the creatures in the labyrinth, that David Bowie. Yeah, he kind of looked like that. Yeah, like real creepy and just sort of like, disheveled and scraggly, but sort of like, as far as I remember, the school sex and stuff.

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Erin

And they did split us into like groups of the boys and the girls, like.

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Luna

What about consent? Did that ever come up explicitly for you in your upbringing?

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Erin

It definitely did with my family. I don't remember it ever happening in like a school setting or like a setting with, you know, other people as outside of family. God.

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Luna

Okay. So now shame a meter when it comes to talking about sex with partners and just to normalize my I'm still spikes up affected. And it depends on the circumstance, right?

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Erin

Totally. It's gotten better. Like over the last three months of dating this new partner, it's gotten so much better just being able to sort of like, you know, like you start with like the little things of, you know, maybe like, hey, I love my vibrator so much. Can I, can we incorporate that or like your that plugs that stuff and then sort of building it out into like what we talked about last week about like the whole like consensual or non consent and like how we're going to live out that rape fantasy.

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Erin

I don't know if that's an acceptable word to use to describe that.

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Luna

Well. So here's my personal hot take on it. If it's your kink and fantasy I'm here to respectfully share if it's legal and consensual here. And you're telling me about a consensual rape fantasy, the language that turns you on, like language that is accurate to your kink, I think, is to be celebrated. Personally, this is my personal frame on this show.

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Luna

I get a lot of shade for people telling me, don't use the word master, don't use the word slave. And that is my.

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Erin

Key, right?

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Luna

That's my.

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Erin

Totally.

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Luna

People can have their different views on it. That's my personal take and it's whatever you're comfy with. I really am in this sort of like this is a open space of celebration of your sexuality.

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Erin

Perfect. Awesome. Yeah. So know it's definitely it's grown leaps and bounds in years and less and less shame over the course of the last three months.

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Luna

Wow. Congrats. That's awesome. And then what do you like to cover in health and safety talks with your partners? Like what are the bases you hit? What makes you feel comfy? What are your like personal needs there?

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Erin

I think definitely talking about like getting tests done like regularly based on I mean, right now we had decided to be in a monogamous relationship. And so the borders of that for us is no play with anyone else. So I think before we actually got together, I had mentioned that I had been tested recently, and I think I just brought it up on his day.

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Erin

And just like every day kind of conversation like, okay, what did you do today? Oh, well, I actually had a telehealth appointment to go over my sexual test results. And then I was like, oh, that's actually a really good idea. I haven't done mine in a little while. I'm going to book to go in June. And then he like, followed that up the next week by being like, I'm sitting at the clinic right now.

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Erin

So the people that work here are so nice. It's the nicest, most friendly clinic I like word for word. He just has me do that. Sort of like with that happening, just like at the very beginning of us seeing each other and then talking about being, you know, just asking that we don't use condoms. I guess there's like a slight bit of shame there, because I do feel like that is probably the absolutely most responsible thing to do.

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Erin

I mean.

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Luna

Come play as hot, I use condoms and barriers, but I don't. I'm not monogamous, partnered. I'm doing things that for me to feel comfy doing and I want to have more protection. Do you have to worry about sperms and pregnancies?

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Erin

So I have an idea. I have a copper IUD. One of the things, actually, that I wanted to bring up, I actually did have an abortion a couple of years ago. Like I just kind of wanted to mention it, just like anyone out there listening to like, normalize that, I felt totally normal about that. Like, to me, I didn't feel like any sense of shame or I don't know if like religious barriers are is the right word, but like, I felt like it just completely the absolute responsible thing for me to do.

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Erin

I had an IUD at the time I was with a monogamous partner of yours and, you know, kind of like, shit happens and so it was a real inconvenience. But as far as, like the emotional toll it can be, it was very minimal. And I don't think I've ever heard anyone else in my personal, like, real life circle or online speak about how it wasn't an Uber emotional process for them.

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Erin

So I just, yeah, thought this might be an okay space to bring that up.

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Luna

For sharing that. I am blanking on their name right now, but the author of this book called Bad Sex, I think has a sort of similar experience as a journalist and had the same experience of like, this doesn't have to be a big deal. So thank you for sharing that, because I don't think that that is a large part of our narrative.

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Luna

And also, I'm so glad to hear that that was your experience and grateful that you shared it with us.

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Erin

Yeah. And honestly, I mean, I live in Canada. We're obviously very closely tied to the States, but I had such a wonderful actual experience with like, the women at the clinic and, you know, the whole actual ordeal was just. Yeah, I just feel so fortunate to live somewhere where that is available. Yeah. I'm not feeling any shame or judgment by others to make that choice for myself.

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Erin

Yeah.

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Luna

Did you notice any emotions, hormonal, physical stuff related to your sex life that feels relevant?

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Erin

It was a such a pain in the ass because the week after that happened, like after the actual abortion, I was going on a trip, a month long trip to Costa Rica. Physically, I was like super crampy and like sweating. And so that sucked for sure. But you know, all in all, like the toll of having, like, an actual baby, I feel like the small part is just that.

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Erin

I don't know if that's making light of the situation too much.

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Luna

It's kind of logical.

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Erin

Yeah, but nothing nothing horrific. And as far as I know, no, like long term sort of issues.

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Luna

Okay. But like what about your libido though?

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Erin

I think honestly it's probably gotten better. Like more like higher since then.

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Luna

Then I will just say for me, the underlining punctuation mark of all abortion conversations is my personal priority in the world is that we lead excellent lives.

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Erin

Totally.

00:22:29:11 - 00:22:46:01

Luna

All around, which is what we're doing here getting better laid lives, which is a huge part of health, mental health, emotional health, physical health. So we've heard a little bit about your early years, but take us all the way back. First sex related memory. What do you remember hearing? Thinking, feeling, experiencing?

00:22:46:03 - 00:23:04:00

Erin

I think I felt really awkward about hearing about sex. Like I said, I was a really shy kid, so I think that probably made me feel a little ill as far as I can remember. And then I just kind of went boy crazy in grade seven. I couldn't get enough of like, attention from boys.

00:23:04:01 - 00:23:06:11

Luna

How old are Canadians in grade seven?

00:23:06:12 - 00:23:07:12

Erin

Grade seven. You're like.

00:23:07:12 - 00:23:13:15

Luna

1212. Okay. But so all of those years, those first 12 years, you were just kind of like, quiet and shy.

00:23:13:17 - 00:23:24:16

Erin

Yes. I had one friend literally up until grade seven, and I didn't want to go to sleepovers. I didn't want to do it. Like, I was extremely, like, introverted and absolutely so shy.

00:23:24:17 - 00:23:26:08

Luna

Had you discovered your body yet?

00:23:26:10 - 00:23:42:12

Erin

Yes. I was like such a little fucking horny freak. Like, well, horndog. Yeah, I wish I had an age to give you, but I have no idea what age that started. I don't think it was like, as young as most people seem to start exploring.

00:23:42:12 - 00:23:44:01

Luna

It's all across the map.

00:23:44:03 - 00:23:47:07

Erin

Yeah, it's funny how, like the range, it's huge variety.

00:23:47:07 - 00:23:55:00

Luna

It just depends on what occurs to us. I feel like that in adult life. I'm like, wait, people do what wait, I'm supposed to look at? Like, I feel like I'm still catching up with pop culture?

00:23:55:01 - 00:24:14:11

Erin

Oh for sure. Well, there's just so much coming at you too. It's like, oh yeah, it's ever evolving. Yeah. So I'd say like maybe like 10 or 11 maybe started to realize like, oh, I'm a vagina. And this feels good. Like rubbing up against, you know, a pillow or like a big, you know, those like, jumbo Beanie Babies.

00:24:14:13 - 00:24:34:04

Erin

So like, kind of like that. We also would go on holidays every Christmas. I'd stay at this place with, like, the perfect hot tub jet. It was literally like magic. So I would always make sure to like, hey, does anyone want to have a hot tub? And then I'd like run down there really quick and have like a quick little rub session before anyone else came in.

00:24:34:06 - 00:24:54:19

Erin

And then actually, my family did end up getting a hot tub at our house too, so that was just so exciting to me. Yeah. And then sort of kind of went on from there, I guess, like a highlight that was like really crucial to me that sticks out in my mind is my first boyfriend ever. I think I was like 13 maybe.

00:24:54:21 - 00:25:15:18

Erin

I asked him if he would hold my boob on the park bench and we just sat there, literally just in my boobs under my shirt for like a very long time. And when he took me away, I remember feeling like, wow, it feels like it's still there. Like he held it for that long where it was like my nerves just felt like it was like still holding on to it.

00:25:15:22 - 00:25:19:14

Erin

Like, I don't know why that sticks out in my mind, but for Philly.

00:25:19:14 - 00:25:24:08

Luna

And that's quite a formative experience. Was that the first time that you got like, body touched by another person?

00:25:24:10 - 00:25:39:12

Erin

As far as I remember. Yeah. And then I remember I was like obsessed with giving handjobs, but I don't know if I was very good because my hands would get tired, so I'd always have to stretch and then it would like slow, you know, the whole process down again. And I remember that being a really big thing.

00:25:39:14 - 00:25:44:01

Luna

Wait, do your hands not get tired now or you're just not giving as many handjobs?

00:25:44:03 - 00:25:48:10

Erin

I don't even remember the last time I gave like, a handjob to completion.

00:25:48:10 - 00:25:53:18

Luna

Okay, what about like, do you do them with blowjobs or like, is it just like for petting at the beginning? Like, what's your handjob move?

00:25:53:18 - 00:26:00:18

Erin

Oh, well, first of all, I'm the world's worst blowjob. I think I had multiple partners tell me that I'm bad at blowjob.

00:26:00:20 - 00:26:06:15

Luna

Well, then they're bad at teaching. If they're going to give some criticism and not offer some solutions. It's just I like that, first of all.

00:26:06:17 - 00:26:28:21

Erin

And I was so keen for so many years to like with eager, you know, and now I find it to be extremely intimidating. It just I can scarcely really watch. Another side point about my current partner is we had this conversation because he's like, fantastic at going down on me. It's fantastic, I love it. He apparently loves doing it.

00:26:28:23 - 00:26:46:23

Erin

And I'm like, I want to get good at blowjobs. I want to like move past this whole thing because obviously, yeah, I'm told, you know, the past of my black history. And he was like, actually, I honestly, blowjobs just don't really do it for me in any way. And I was just like, Holy fuck. We might be like perfectly horrible.

00:26:47:00 - 00:27:09:04

Erin

Yeah. Just, you know, me. Do I also have like an extreme, like gig and like and so that kind of adds to it. And he has like a above average sized penis as far as the ones I've ever experienced. And anyway, so the whole thing, I'm like, oh, if I can avoid this sort of like head on, it might be for the best.

00:27:09:06 - 00:27:11:23

Erin

But anyway, back to Handjobs. Oh, okay.

00:27:11:23 - 00:27:14:06

Luna

We'll put a pin in blow job to go back to handjob.

00:27:14:08 - 00:27:28:07

Erin

But I have questions for sure. Any and all questions and advice or comments are welcome. One point yeah, I think actually as far as I can say, it's just everybody should not tell someone that there's should a blowjob.

00:27:28:09 - 00:27:30:10

Luna

Or anything or anything. Yeah.

00:27:30:10 - 00:27:31:04

Erin

Like anything it's.

00:27:31:09 - 00:27:52:04

Luna

Dicks dictated that it sticks with. What I would really love to offer people is if you want something different, don't tell the other person they're bad at it. That's shame, blame and judgment culture. And what I have learned, both from personal experience and interviewing people, is that different people like different things. Different things feel different to different people.

00:27:52:04 - 00:28:14:11

Luna

There's no right, wrong, good, bad. Also, like my partner that I'm getting spanked by right now, loves blowjobs and had another partner that he gave a blowjob lessons to, which I think is so hot and I'm like, oh. And I was like, wait, I want blowjob lessons. He's like, you don't need them. And I was like, but I want to have them.

00:28:14:13 - 00:28:21:07

Luna

And that's not just a brag. It's just I am very enthusiastic. So my first question to you, since you said that you wanted advice, I heard that out loud.

00:28:21:09 - 00:28:23:20

Erin

Right. Okay. Oh for sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, lay it on me.

00:28:23:20 - 00:28:27:18

Luna

Do you have fun? Like, are you having fun giving them.

00:28:27:20 - 00:28:33:11

Erin

I can like I'm. It's been quite some time since I've done a blowjob on anyone.

00:28:33:12 - 00:28:52:12

Luna

So I'm not going to, like, coach or give you specifics, but in the future, I will if you want me to. But I would just say I would love to hear what happens if you just find a willing penis. Sounds like maybe you have one in your life and were like, you don't need to like this. I just want to spend pick amount of time, pick whatever, ten, 15 minutes, whatever, whatever you want to pick.

00:28:52:14 - 00:29:16:08

Luna

Maybe you just decide intuitively as you're doing it and it's just for you to explore and play and feel. And that's it. You don't even have to feel pleasure. There's nothing like, but just explore. It's only when I feel permission to do that that I can, like, have a lot of fun. It's also why I have lately really enjoyed finding partners whose cocks aren't too sensitive after they come, because then I just want to put it in my mouth and like, wiggle around and see what happens.

00:29:16:11 - 00:29:18:15

Erin

Oh, see, I would love that.

00:29:18:17 - 00:29:28:18

Luna

I feel no pressure to do anything. And then I'm just like a lot. And for fun, you know, and they can be scrolling or doing something. And I have a lot of fun with that.

00:29:28:19 - 00:29:37:13

Erin

So that is amazing. I've never thought about that. And I think just eliminating the would be extremely demanding.

00:29:37:14 - 00:29:45:23

Luna

If someone's a pussy owner, I can't do this for as long as I will suffocate or like whatever. But just like leaving my head in a lap for a minute and just like laying, like it's just fun.

00:29:45:23 - 00:29:48:02

Erin

It's just fun. Okay, but back to you.

00:29:48:02 - 00:29:57:10

Luna

Let's get back to your specifics. So we're in your formative years, your boy crazy. You have a boyfriend for the first time, and at some point you're on a bench and you go, will you hold my boob?

00:29:57:12 - 00:30:08:18

Erin

Because I said it? I'm pretty sure I definitely didn't say it. I'm pretty sure as a boob or touch my boob. Maybe not cold, but, like, touch her. Hold it. Yeah.

00:30:08:18 - 00:30:13:18

Luna

Okay. So where did that lead? Did that turn you on? Do you remember any feelings about it? Or you just sort of like.

00:30:13:18 - 00:30:35:23

Erin

I remember just feeling, like such a bad us. Like, I was like, oh, you just touch my boob at the park, and I'm so cool. I mean, I like still to this day love, like, anything that happens, sort of like outdoors or in public. And so, I don't know if that stems from that initial park venture, but I don't remember ever doing a blowjob before having like, penetrative sex.

00:30:35:23 - 00:30:56:03

Erin

So I lost my virginity at 14. Around that time. There was probably like more boob touching and like for some reason, not like fingering was a really big trend where I grew up. Like, it seemed like everyone in my town was just like hot substance with fingering people. No, it was not hot. It was just like pokey stabby jab, like, oh, I think it was just like we.

00:30:56:03 - 00:30:57:08

Luna

Took the finger part literally.

00:30:57:13 - 00:31:03:00

Erin

And just like, no, like sensual, like actual caring about.

00:31:03:02 - 00:31:12:02

Luna

Yeah, we really should call it something different. Not fingering, because that makes it sound like we're. So for anyone watching, I like Gentle Hands. I like.

00:31:12:02 - 00:31:13:15

Erin

Exactly these.

00:31:13:17 - 00:31:17:08

Luna

I like some gentle. You got to find out how my fingers totally.

00:31:17:08 - 00:31:29:15

Erin

And like I'm such a like clit person. I'm not a huge like, internal gal. And so I just kind of feel like on many levels it just wasn't pleasurable. It was just kind of like to say, you've done it. Damn.

00:31:29:17 - 00:31:40:06

Luna

You said you're a clip person, but do you really want someone to just be like, boop, straight for clit? Or do you like getting teased and warmed up around the edges and pert and stroked?

00:31:40:06 - 00:31:47:18

Erin

And I love a good warm up, but I also am like, totally fine with just like straight off the clip. Like.

00:31:47:20 - 00:31:51:20

Luna

Is it like a single pressure, double fingered pressure hand pressure.

00:31:51:20 - 00:32:03:12

Erin

Kind of like, oh, okay. Okay. I mean, like, it's really lovely when someone takes their time, but I feel like I could totally just kind of have it their way. Okay. Yeah.

00:32:03:12 - 00:32:05:14

Luna

Are you a multi orgasm or then.

00:32:05:16 - 00:32:25:17

Erin

Yes. Okay. Definitely. Like stupidly. So my current partner like in the last few months got me a wand. Oh my god. Like, it's just that thing and I just didn't even know what I was missing because I'm like, well, I have a vibrator and and it's great. And then this is just, yeah, out of this world anyway.

00:32:25:17 - 00:32:27:20

Erin

Definitely like multiple orgasm person.

00:32:27:22 - 00:32:34:05

Luna

Okay. Do you get increasingly sensitive or is it just like a rolling thing? Like, have you ever tapped out, been like, I've done.

00:32:34:07 - 00:32:45:03

Erin

Yeah, I'd say it's maybe more of, like a rolling thing. Like I've never been to the point of, like, don't like this is everything is too sensitive. Like no touchy.

00:32:45:05 - 00:32:57:22

Luna

Amazing. Okay, so we're in your teens. You've started to do some sucking. When did you realize that your body was that now? Was that later? Was it like, what's that? What was the rest of the landscape of your formative years?

00:32:57:22 - 00:33:30:20

Erin

I had like some really attractive girlfriends. Like friends who were girls. Oh, yeah. I think we were all there was no, like, explicit conversation around, like, sexual feelings towards any of us. But like, I've had multiple threesomes with my just like friends and like a partner that I was seeing, like when I was a teenager and like, just being like all little freaks together and it was never, like named until like eight years ago or so.

00:33:30:20 - 00:33:49:22

Erin

I was just like, oh, actually, I would really like to pursue on purpose explorations with a woman in started. Yeah, like primarily in high school. And then I knew this guy who had a house that was just, like, always empty. His parents were just I don't know where they were. I have no idea. To this day. And it was just never anybody home.

00:33:49:22 - 00:34:09:14

Erin

And we would have like, sleepovers there, and it would just be me and like one of my girlfriends and then him. And one time we were like, eating Cheerios in bed. And it turned out to be like a Cheerios fight. And we were like, throwing Cheerios around. And then we both just ended up giving him a blowjob. Like it was was really, really weird.

00:34:09:16 - 00:34:19:23

Luna

Like, I mean, I don't know, it's like intuitive threesome food play, but like with maybe a little element, like a little bit of the time.

00:34:20:01 - 00:34:32:18

Erin

Exactly. Like I think it was just like you're just just playing, being like cheeky and goofy guy and just sort of like got carried away. And then it's just like, what would be a great idea. So just yeah, there was like lots of stuff like that. But do.

00:34:32:18 - 00:34:39:09

Luna

You think maybe you didn't feel comfortable blowjobs because Cheerios got in the way, so you never had time to practice without them or something.

00:34:39:09 - 00:34:40:03

Erin

Too many.

00:34:40:05 - 00:34:41:12

Luna

Cheerios.

00:34:41:14 - 00:34:42:18

Erin

Got a bad review.

00:34:42:21 - 00:34:48:03

Luna

Wait, you know you're not supposed to have food in your mouth when you're giving a blowjob, right? No Cheerios.

00:34:48:05 - 00:34:50:14

Erin

Someone out there might love that.

00:34:50:16 - 00:34:54:05

Luna

Oh my God, if that. So here's the thing. I'm curious if it's food I'll eat.

00:34:54:05 - 00:34:54:19

Erin

I'm curious.

00:34:54:19 - 00:34:56:18

Luna

I would give you. No, I don't want to talk. I feel.

00:34:56:18 - 00:34:58:23

Erin

Like they'd have to really move stuff.

00:34:59:00 - 00:35:03:18

Luna

Or like someone out there has definitely given a blowjob with Pop Rocks, right? Like, what was that.

00:35:03:18 - 00:35:25:23

Erin

Like, just a little sidebar. I was like, a sex story with my, like, two very close friends. Maybe, like, just before Christmas. And they had, like, basically, like, Pop Rocks purposefully for blowjobs. I'm like, we should get these. Like, we should all do this. And then one of my good friends actually is an active, like, sex worker.

00:35:26:00 - 00:35:38:21

Erin

I was telling her about that. She was just like, do not do it. Like Pop Rocks stuck in someone's foreskin is just like a horrible idea. And like, yeah, just like, yeah, there's a lot of sides to it that I didn't quite think about.

00:35:39:02 - 00:35:59:06

Luna

I mean, definitely do not get Pop Rocks stuck in a foreskin. Also, just PSA for foreskin owners. Pull them back and watch. There's no judgment. Just pull them back and watch. Not everybody knows. And if there's white stuff might be used, infection might just be smegma. Go get it checked out. Okay, so where should we go with our formative you experiences?

00:35:59:08 - 00:36:07:21

Erin

I did have a minivan, but I would drive around and I would have an obscene amount of sex in it. Like, I think it was.

00:36:07:22 - 00:36:10:16

Luna

In, like, teenagers. Where. Where are we on your timeline right now?

00:36:10:18 - 00:36:13:11

Erin

Okay. Just like 15, 16. You had a.

00:36:13:11 - 00:36:16:04

Luna

Fucking minivan as a teenager.

00:36:16:06 - 00:36:37:06

Erin

Yes. And we took out, like, the middle seat. So it was like that, just like the backseat. And then like a big open space for. It was just like you could. Yeah. And then I left a mattress in there with the, like, guys of like, oh, we're going to go camping. Like, it was just in there for a really long time, as I don't know why my parents never said anything about that.

00:36:37:07 - 00:36:46:11

Luna

Your parents, like, you know, the camping van. She just loves camping. Wait, so would you fuck different people? Did you have, like, partners throughout this time? Was it primarily threesomes?

00:36:46:11 - 00:37:10:21

Erin

I had a partner like an off and on partner the majority of my teen years, and it was primarily him in the van. It was like a disastrous relationship on many level. But we just couldn't get enough each other. Like that's ridiculous. We used to sneak into this. It was like a gym. Like hot tub pool, like not a rec center, but like, it was like in a condo complex kind of thing.

00:37:10:23 - 00:37:34:04

Erin

So used to sneak in there and we would just have sex, like, all around those things can't. We went outside to grab something like outside the, like, gated premise. We didn't realize that the place locked, like, automatically. You couldn't get in after ten. Yeah, we were literally completely naked. Nothing. I had to run to a payphone, call my mom.

00:37:34:10 - 00:38:00:15

Erin

My mom. Stark naked. And then it gets worse. We had to go back the next day to get our stuff, and we had to talk to the property manager who ran the place, and he was just like, yeah, basically, basically brought you, you know, we have cameras, like basically, here's your stuff. Promise you'll never come back.

00:38:00:15 - 00:38:11:01

Luna

Oh my gosh. So would you say that that like stoked the desire for public play or are you like nope I'm good. Like how what's your public play over here?

00:38:11:01 - 00:38:44:12

Erin

What I just want to do it in public. And you wear all the time. Literally. The only thing stopping me is that I realize that the potential onlookers are not consenting to that experience. And so that's the part where I'm like, goddamn good society member. Well done. My best. I mean, I definitely still like risk it within the, you know, like, what are the odds someone is going to walk in the overall, I find it extremely exciting.

00:38:44:13 - 00:38:51:13

Luna

Okay, so we figured out your origin story of public play. What happened next in your formative years?

00:38:51:15 - 00:39:35:13

Erin

There was quite a bit of like negative male attention in my teen years, probably because I was pretty slutty. And I definitely didn't really know how to handle, like, you know, knowing what I know now, at the age of 30, I think I would have handled all that, like, completely differently. Okay. I think it seemed like it was under the guise of a compliment or like, you know, like repeated, like almost harassment of, like, go out with me or like, let's do this together and sort of realizing that, like, no means no, not even on just the sense of like sexual activity, but also just sort of like anything and no means no.

00:39:35:13 - 00:39:36:14

Luna

All boundaries.

00:39:36:16 - 00:39:54:06

Erin

Exactly. Yeah. And I mean, I think to this day I still really struggle with boundaries on like, really in every facet of my life. And I don't know that played a big part in it. But yeah, I do find it extremely difficult to, like, repeatedly say no and have someone continually go on and on and on.

00:39:54:08 - 00:40:13:19

Luna

Well, isn't it interesting? Why should you have to say no more than once? Like that's. And I just want to point that out because that's not you being better boundaries. It's you getting worn down. Which is also what a lot of like romantic comedies have taught us is the social norm. And it's a big, layered, problematic issue because also it's like people are trying, people are not.

00:40:13:23 - 00:40:19:01

Luna

It's a whole yeah, but I hear that. Okay, so you're working on boundaries now too.

00:40:19:03 - 00:40:33:23

Erin

Definitely. And I think that also kind of on the play party like aspect of it is I have not actively gone to one yet, but I am we have signed up to go with like Registered Warhammer, which is so excited.

00:40:33:23 - 00:40:36:03

Luna

People might look at you.

00:40:36:05 - 00:41:00:15

Erin

Right. It's actually about like, I don't care what you do to me. Like, you know, my partner, but yeah, it does seem very exciting to have other people looking and like, yeah, just trying to, like, establish what those boundaries are to me. You know, the going based on what I've heard, it sounds like they're a really safe space, but they do sound like based on party.

00:41:00:15 - 00:41:08:18

Erin

The party that they do kind of vary in terms of like what goes, you know, and like the actual, like explicit sort of structure to it. I guess I.

00:41:08:18 - 00:41:11:03

Luna

Have found that to be true in various spaces.

00:41:11:03 - 00:41:15:21

Erin

Yep. So that kind of worries me on the boundary side of things. Okay.

00:41:15:23 - 00:41:35:00

Luna

So early 20s, we're learning about boundaries. We're still learning the boundaries are a lifelong mission for all of us. And I've noticed that with myself, I kind of just practice like updating them. And now I'm like trying to communicate them masterfully. And instead of being like, no, don't do that. I'm getting a lot better at being like, thank you for the invitation.

00:41:35:00 - 00:41:51:18

Luna

Here's what I would let you know. And then just fully redirecting it without ever letting them know that there has been a rupture. And that's been my kind of like current practice. But I'm not, you know, whatever. It's a practice. So it sounds like you had some experiences in that time that maybe weren't optimal. What did that lead you to next?

00:41:51:18 - 00:41:52:20

Luna

Like how do we get.

00:41:52:20 - 00:42:20:09

Erin

From there to here? So I moved to the big city in my while, I guess 19. I mean, this is big city Canada, but you know, it's still it's pretty big. And I just went completely crazy on a major is, is it was a lot of like, ridiculous sex, like sex and public sex with multiple people. And yeah, it was it was kind of crazy.

00:42:20:11 - 00:42:26:16

Luna

When you say multiple people, do you mean do you mean all at once? Do you mean like back to back? Do you mean like in a night?

00:42:26:16 - 00:42:35:05

Erin

Like a bit of both. Maybe the only one that didn't happen within the same night. I don't think I've slept with two men in the same way yet.

00:42:35:07 - 00:42:38:07

Luna

How are you meeting them? Where were you finding them?

00:42:38:09 - 00:43:00:22

Erin

Mostly at, like, bars or quite a few of them. I had two guy roommates, which happened to be the best or best? Worst, I guess, depending on how you look at it. Because they had all their friends over. And I feel like actually, that's a great recommendation for anyone looking for guys out there. If get to male roommates, generally try to.

00:43:01:00 - 00:43:06:13

Luna

Get two of them, like with good friends, like good quality. Yeah, I love that. Maybe that's what I should do.

00:43:06:14 - 00:43:07:08

Erin

Oh.

00:43:07:10 - 00:43:10:14

Luna

I'm looking for housemates. That feels like a sitcom.

00:43:10:16 - 00:43:11:12

Erin

Okay, right.

00:43:11:16 - 00:43:20:09

Luna

Don't. To think I could get them to move into a mobile dungeon trailer with me. You can go around the country because. Because then I'd have built in bodyguards.

00:43:20:11 - 00:43:25:13

Erin

But just goes, you pick the right roommate and then the rest will go.

00:43:25:15 - 00:43:30:10

Luna

I love this sage wisdom. I think you're great. Like dating and relationship coach.

00:43:30:10 - 00:43:43:06

Erin

I'm ready for this. I really like you. Maybe that's what my calling is. I should quit my day job and go on my. No, I have lots of very bad advice. I usually do, but.

00:43:43:06 - 00:43:46:16

Luna

Yeah, but it sounds like you got laid a lot and had some fun.

00:43:46:18 - 00:43:58:14

Erin

Yeah, I did, unlike a lot of that was fun. But it wasn't like the most, like fulfilling sex. It lost. It's like, woo hoo, you know? Yeah. After a couple years, it's kind of a lot.

00:43:58:14 - 00:44:03:23

Luna

But any highlights or specific memories from that era that we should know about?

00:44:04:01 - 00:44:25:01

Erin

I slept with someone who he was quite a bit older than me at the time, and I just remember being blown away by, like, his sort of like maturity and skills around it. And he was like one of the first men that I had sort of explored with that actually brought up condoms and like, protection, but like right off the bat.

00:44:25:01 - 00:44:40:10

Erin

Yeah. Like it was the classic one night stand. We met at the beach. We had sex that night. Never saw him again, but it was so like he was so just like on it and like it was, it was hard because it was like, oh, you totally do want to fuck me. Like, you've got that in your mind and.

00:44:40:10 - 00:44:42:21

Luna

You want to do it safely. You care about my well-being.

00:44:42:23 - 00:44:53:06

Erin

Totally. Yeah. He also had the most, like, perfectly curved penis I like. It was lovely. I totally forgot about it until right now.

00:44:53:08 - 00:44:56:02

Luna

How was it? Curve was up. Downside died.

00:44:56:04 - 00:45:18:10

Erin

I want to say a kind of like, Yeah, up would make sense with the sort of like position that we did of why felt so special. And yeah. So those roommates, they graduated, they left the city, and I ended up moving into a different place. And my parents were there to help me move. And they were like, oh, you know, you got invited to go hang out with your friends.

00:45:18:10 - 00:45:40:08

Erin

Whatever. We can pack up your stuff for you and we'll have you all moved in. I'm like, that's so sweet. And so I like enjoying my day with my friends and everything. And I just think, Holy fuck, all of my like, sex stuff is all just like, literally in it wasn't even like a bedside or was just like a random draw, like in the room where I'm like, fuck!

00:45:40:09 - 00:46:01:17

Erin

And so I immediately call around and I'm like, I don't really have time to explain this, but I just need you to immediately go to the store and you, like, handle all this. So she was like, oh my God. Okay. So she did she. So my dad was like very clear, thank God, because the poor guy that would just kill him probably that's, you know, there's just certain things dads or.

00:46:01:19 - 00:46:05:17

Luna

They don't want to know. They don't want to know some stuff. I have discovered this. They don't want to know the stuff.

00:46:05:21 - 00:46:29:00

Erin

No. And then my mom like, for those like some like kind of more like bondage things in there. And so she was like, is someone hurting you? Like, are you okay? Yeah. It's just like, Holy shit. This is like purely joy. This is all consenting stuff. But like, yeah, that was a bit of a I'm sure she was just like, Holy shit clicks.

00:46:29:00 - 00:46:49:05

Erin

I don't know if we can just go back to the first time I ever got birth control pills again, fall down. My dad was like, really good friends with our pharmacist and, you know, the grocery store. One day my dad's like, oh, I just need to run over to the pharmacy to, you know, pick up whatever. And the reason he's talking to the guy, the guys like, oh, I have a prescription here for Aaron, right?

00:46:49:05 - 00:47:07:13

Erin

And I'm like. No, no, no, no, it's my dad's like, oh yeah, we'll just pick that up too. And so the guy's going on and on about like, oh, birth control pills. Of course. It was like the first time I had ever taken mum. Oh he went through the whole like, you know, but like side effects and blah blah blah.

00:47:07:15 - 00:47:28:09

Erin

And my poor dad, because he didn't know when, like, my mom knew, like it was all just like very. Yeah. Bless his heart. He was just so like you could just he was just devastated. But you just kept it together. And then we got to the card. I was just like, I'm so sorry. Like, that could not have rolled out like worse for you, but like anyway.

00:47:28:09 - 00:47:29:22

Erin

So I was really sad.

00:47:29:23 - 00:47:36:02

Luna

We put it sounds like he was okay, so he was uncomfortable, but also you kind of group but he's like, you just don't have that relationship.

00:47:36:04 - 00:47:53:21

Erin

Oh, there's quite a bit more to it. Like he really hated my boyfriend and that kind of stuff. And so I think my mom was just kind of trying to like ease into the fact, like, oh, it's headed that direction. Like I think in terms of like, oh, good. You're like using protection. You're being safe and responsible. I think all that was there.

00:47:53:21 - 00:47:58:03

Erin

I think it was just more so like, fuck, this is how I have to find out about them.

00:47:58:06 - 00:47:59:21

Luna

Sorry, dad.

00:48:00:00 - 00:48:04:01

Erin

Totally had a lot of, like, oh fuck. Yes.

00:48:04:03 - 00:48:10:13

Luna

Okay, so what happened next in your unfolding and discovering and, like, it sounds like you were doing some kinky shit.

00:48:10:15 - 00:48:33:10

Erin

Yeah. I don't even know how that really started. I honestly, I've been just thinking and thinking. I have no idea. Not a clue. But it's the sort of like next step was I had like a really lovely interaction with a woman where it was like my first like just like woman to woman experience. She was so hot and she was so sweet and so beyond me.

00:48:33:10 - 00:48:59:08

Erin

Like, you know, like when timing just doesn't line up. And it was like, oh, she was just so, like, out about her sexuality and, like, proud and just open and, like, liberated. And I was just so like, I like you, but, like, what are people going to think? And like, I don't know, like, I, I don't feel like I'm gay, but like, I, I don't know if like, guys like where I'm at, like, I don't know, it was just like a whole thing.

00:48:59:08 - 00:49:22:06

Erin

But the actual like, sex part of it was really lovely. And she was amazing for that role. And then there was this guy that had been like a long time friend, and we finally just decided to sleep together. We had talked a lot about just like sex in general and like, I'm really open with my friends about all that stuff.

00:49:22:11 - 00:49:47:13

Erin

So he misunderstood that. I like it rough, too. I like being slapped in the face. Oh, and so mid fact, without any conversation ahead of time like nothing. He just whacked me. It was just it was. Yeah, that was sort of the end of that. I was like, I'm sorry. Like I'm not like please like stop. Like we just didn't like the sex was over, like right then in there.

00:49:47:14 - 00:50:09:00

Erin

Yeah. And I was just really uncomfortable. And then the next day he drove me home and he was just kind of like, hey, like, I like, I don't think he had really, like, a clue what went wrong. And then it wasn't until years later where I was like, kind of like what? Because we remained friends. We didn't sleep together again, but we remained friends, and I was just kind of like, what the fuck was with the slap?

00:50:09:04 - 00:50:30:18

Erin

Yeah. And he was just like, oh my God, is that what went wrong? And I was with like other again, I guess it goes to show like actual communication and having a conversation is so important even after the fact, because I guess he had no idea. So that was like a real genius. But now I love getting slapped in the face.

00:50:30:18 - 00:50:31:18

Erin

Right?

00:50:31:20 - 00:50:42:15

Luna

Well, and it's such a good example of how context and permission make a big fucking difference. Like there's agency is everything, you know, like, totally. Yeah.

00:50:42:17 - 00:51:11:03

Erin

So that's kind of I think where like I started to realize just saying I like, like rough or sex or like I like bad stuff or like, you know, like that's such a vague, like, umbrella, sort of like almost like a genre of. Yeah, of sex. And then it's like, you know, there's so much more to it and not actually, like, do your research and like clear communication around like, hey, I don't know if I like this, but I'd like to explore that.

00:51:11:03 - 00:51:15:08

Erin

Like, what do you think? And then kind of like build it out from there or not. You know.

00:51:15:10 - 00:51:36:23

Luna

I want to say something about clear communication just because it's my particular passion, especially in the realm of sex. The more I have tried to learn, the more I've realized that clear communication is a moving target. And what's clear in one set of circumstances is totally unclear in another. And the most important thing, especially because I was like, I'm learning it.

00:51:36:23 - 00:51:54:18

Luna

You know, I go back and listen to all the episodes of me and I'm like, oh, she's so judgmental. And I now know that, like, just because I have a specific idea of what a very hyper specific set of words to me means, doesn't mean that the other person is going to have the same definition. And it also means that I'm going to risk.

00:51:54:18 - 00:52:14:10

Luna

And I just have accepted this, that like, there's going to be a subset of the population out there that really gets really, really fucking annoyed with me for checking in specifically. And that is fine with me because those are boundary pushers. Those are people who, if they are not willing to get specific, typically there's a UN safety for me, for my boundaries at some point.

00:52:14:10 - 00:52:24:00

Luna

So damn, it really sounds like you're doing your best. I would love to hear about the first time that you loved a face slap and or whatever led up to that as a contrast.

00:52:24:17 - 00:52:49:01

Erin

It gets really even weirder because the first person to do it after that was actually the same guy. Oh, what the fuck is that? This way. Oh, so we ended up this was like over the span of like two years. Like we were friends for years when we had sex, like one time where it all went to shit and then we were friends again.

00:52:49:01 - 00:53:09:11

Erin

And then we ended up sort of like in the same place of the world in time. And it was like, oh, we have so much. Let's like, give it a shot with us. And so we were kind of like testing that out. And he's like, I would say very bad at communication. Like he was just very like, didn't want to have those conversations.

00:53:09:12 - 00:53:44:19

Erin

You know, a few years after that initial phase of I was like, no, that was like, definitely not okay with me. And we had that conversation and then once we were sort of like reevaluating it with meme, just like very clearly, like asking for the things that I wanted. So it was like it started out with like, oh, could you think me or like, oh, could you like, you know, do like some like spit stuff or like, like more of, like the degrading side of things and then the face I just asked him to like, you know, like, kind of want to see how that actually, like, I would think, you know, about it.

00:53:44:19 - 00:54:11:04

Erin

It does sound like it might have a little bit of room for me. And so so we did, that was like one partner ago. And so this current partner, I'm just like, I feel so much more comfortable in being like, basically, like, I'm a freak. And I really would like you to do all these things. My current partner is, like, very into communicating and like it, like, feel like the fires.

00:54:11:04 - 00:54:15:11

Luna

Yes. It's such a turn on. Talking about it ahead of time is such a turn on.

00:54:16:02 - 00:54:32:03

Erin

Yeah. And it just feels really, like, safe. But also. Yeah, like, builds the excitement and, it's like, so fun to be like, hey, will you do these things to me and then have to wait for a little bit, and then it's just like, oh, you're doing them to me. And it's so good, and I love it.

00:54:32:05 - 00:55:00:15

Erin

It's finally, let's do more crazy things. So that's sort of how it rolled out. I get confused and like, I know, like you've talked a lot about taboo and like how as far as, like I've understood what you've said, you have a hard time understanding what taboo like is for you or like within your life. And to me, I just feel like I am so into like everything that is like deemed to be taboo.

00:55:00:15 - 00:55:05:03

Erin

Like I keep it, it's like the shit you shouldn't do, I really wanna do.

00:55:05:05 - 00:55:25:18

Luna

But like, here's my question to you. I love that you are specific with this. Okay? Specifically, I would love to pick your brain about your expertise and your personal taboo experience when you're doing the taboo feeling is the thrill coming from like, oh, this is so naughty, I'm taboo. Or is it like, I fucking love this? Or is it something else entirely?

00:55:25:20 - 00:55:48:16

Erin

I think primarily for me, it's like the thrill of being like, oh my God, this is something that like most people or like traditionally people were not supposed to enjoy or do to each other. I'm like like the other day, just the other day, it was crazy. The first time in my life someone actually came in my bum and I just loved it.

00:55:48:16 - 00:56:16:02

Erin

Like I'd gone off on it for like, I can still like I'm still just like in my mind about it. And I'm just like, I feel like such an escort and I it's like, love it. I mean, it was an amazing sensation. And like, I had my vibrator going at the same time. So it was definitely like a very pleasurable experience, but also like the mental side of just feeling like, haha, I have come my bum and nobody even knows if I tell them you know anymore.

00:56:16:02 - 00:56:23:02

Luna

Unless you were really short shorts and go out right away. I mean know, maybe make a light shorts.

00:56:23:04 - 00:56:25:23

Erin

Just do it happens, I dare you.

00:56:26:00 - 00:56:43:08

Luna

But they would probably just be more likely be like, oh, she started her period instead of like she's got coming her bum. I don't know totally. Yeah. But you really also you teased the topic that I'm really excited to get to because I want to hear about choking, spitting and butt stuff. But I also still want to wrap up this taboo field.

00:56:43:09 - 00:56:55:11

Luna

Okay, so it's it sounds like you also really like the physical sensations, but it's also the, like, emotional level or identity of being like, I'm not I'm a not like I'm like.

00:56:55:13 - 00:56:56:13

Erin

Okay.

00:56:56:15 - 00:56:59:12

Luna

But you do like the physical sensations also.

00:56:59:13 - 00:57:38:16

Erin

Like there's like one we've recently gotten into like this like daddy thing. I don't know, you literally ask me, like, how would you feel like about calling me daddy at some point? Not just like I'm down. I don't know, really like where it'll go from there, but I'm definitely keen to try it. And I feel like it's like fed in really well with like the whole like trying to like get more into, like the consensual non consent vibes of it being kind of like, yeah, I guess I haven't really explored that much with like dirty talk and like how that can really play into like enhancing the whole physical experience.

00:57:38:18 - 00:57:40:10

Erin

Yeah, it's been really fun.

00:57:40:12 - 00:57:41:16

Luna

How long has that been?

00:57:42:13 - 00:57:44:23

Erin

Maybe like a month or two. Ooh.

00:57:45:00 - 00:57:46:05

Luna

Does he call you anything.

00:57:46:07 - 00:58:14:06

Erin

Like a slut? Like he says all like the right, like mean things to me. I love every day. Yeah. And he also is very sweet. Just like, is there anything but, like, you would like me to call you or, like, you know, more specifically, anything that you would not like me to like, call you or like, pinpoint and then was like, oh, yeah, I should probably think about that because just because I'm thinking, oh yeah, I feel like it's sort of like degrading, humiliating me and things to me.

00:58:14:11 - 00:58:19:22

Erin

It turns me on. There's certain things actually, when I think about it like, no, that would actually just hurt my feelings.

00:58:19:22 - 00:58:31:13

Luna

So can you give an example? Because I am always surprised by what people say because it's different for everyone. Like for one of my friends is like, do not fucking call me bitch. And I'm like, okay, oh, I mean, I don't, but like.

00:58:31:15 - 00:58:34:14

Erin

You know, to me that would be an interesting one. Like to me.

00:58:34:14 - 00:58:35:16

Luna

That some people like wouldn't.

00:58:35:16 - 00:58:36:09

Erin

Bother me.

00:58:36:10 - 00:58:37:15

Luna

Yeah, same. I don't I don't.

00:58:37:15 - 00:59:04:15

Erin

Care about the me. I think I would have to do it. I would not want any sort of like don't talk about my like weight or like my body image in a negative way. Oh, and this came up in like reference, more so to like filming ourselves and stuff like that. Like I don't want any reference to, like, I'm such a dirty girl and like, if I don't do what you want me to do, you're going to send her video to, you know, my friends and family or like the one you reference.

00:59:04:19 - 00:59:07:17

Luna

Like, don't turn me on black male doesn't turn me on.

00:59:07:19 - 00:59:14:12

Erin

Know what? Like any of that sort of like revenge kind of. Yeah, porn stuff does not do it for me.

00:59:14:13 - 00:59:17:21

Luna

But you guys do film. Hearing.

00:59:17:23 - 00:59:25:06

Erin

Oh, we tried. Okay. Yeah. I haven't had that much time to explore it. We're definitely into exploring it further.

00:59:25:08 - 00:59:28:02

Luna

I love watching stuff go in and out.

00:59:28:02 - 00:59:29:07

Erin

Of my holes later.

00:59:29:07 - 00:59:39:10

Luna

Like not painted. Oh my God. And my former master used to do all that. He would be like would watch us people around there. And then he would frame tease.

00:59:40:00 - 00:59:59:18

Erin

Yeah. Right. And it sounds so hot. And so we tried. This is sort of a funny story. The first time we tried, we had like set everything up. We were like, neither of us thought about like, angles or anything like that. We're like, let's just do let's just try it and then we'll just see. So we set it up like, okay, I'm like, I'm kind of nervous.

00:59:59:18 - 01:00:17:15

Erin

And he's like, we'll just like do what we normally do. And if it rolls out to be, you know, something a little bit freaky or if it rolls out to just be whatever, we can always delete it or whatever. So, you know, it's like this whole thing of it turns out to be like this really lovely experience. Like it was just amazing.

01:00:17:15 - 01:00:41:09

Erin

And we had such great sex. We did get a little freaky, was lovely. And then at the end we're like, you know, kind of sitting there afterwards and like, I'll show you, watch it. Like, should we just see? And so we go to look at this, it's just like storage full or whatever. And so it did film like a little bit and it's literally just full of blankets.

01:00:41:11 - 01:00:51:14

Erin

And then right before it cut out, it was just his bum in his boxers like dry humping. That's bald like. And then it cut out was just like, Holy shit.

01:00:51:15 - 01:01:10:02

Luna

That's just a very specific type of heart. I will say not to plug myself too hard. I don't usually do it, but, this is why people hire me. Yes, because here's the thing. I can just carry a camera easily around you, and I get such. And it it's so fast, too. I mean, depending on, well, depending on what we're doing.

01:01:10:04 - 01:01:22:22

Luna

But I also love the sticks and the tripod and the tracking. I love seeing the things that don't turn out too. I'm also very into amateur stuff if someone's holding it, but I also think that's why it's like threesomes are great, you know, get someone the camera.

01:01:23:03 - 01:01:39:12

Erin

Exactly. Yeah. And so it's just anyway fucking hilarious. And now we just tell everybody we're like, oh, we want to see our porn we made. And everybody's like, the fuck? And we're like, it's the most PG thing you've ever seen. And you know, so, you know, a little ball.

01:01:39:15 - 01:01:43:00

Luna

Post is still on Instagram and get away with it. That's hot right?

01:01:43:01 - 01:01:53:18

Erin

Yeah. Exactly. That's so yeah. It was it was really fun. We definitely want to explore that further. And I did send my first ever like full masturbation video. Oh what.

01:01:53:18 - 01:01:54:05

Luna

Was that like.

01:01:54:05 - 01:02:13:01

Erin

For you? Amazing. I was like like I've definitely had moments in the past where I'm like, oh, I want to like, have a mirror in front of me and like, watch me do what I want to myself. Like, I love that. But then to have it like, yeah, in a video and be able to like, watch it back and be like, Holy shit, this is great, and then send it to him.

01:02:13:01 - 01:02:15:10

Erin

He loved it. Which was also like, really lovely.

01:02:15:10 - 01:02:25:00

Luna

So you can get turned on from like watching the visual stimulation sometimes I got very distracted by my own visual and so I have to like look away, but then I'll get really drawn on the other people's visuals.

01:02:25:02 - 01:02:45:07

Erin

I was really surprised. I think I expected myself to look so much like I literally just set it up, went to town, and then I was like, okay, I'll look back at it. And I was really pleasantly surprised. So I was just like, okay, yeah, I like to do like a bit of a squishy thing there, but overall it looks better.

01:02:45:07 - 01:02:52:13

Luna

Than I thought it would. What do you feel comfy telling us what you were doing? Like was it hands on? Needed you enjoy. Was it. Yeah. Oh. Was there a.

01:02:52:14 - 01:03:15:04

Erin

Rule? No unfortunately not. But that was my like definite inspo for my next video. I basically was like on the couch, had the phone on the coffee table and had my vibrator. And I just kind of started out like with just hands. And then I get kind of silly, right? Like I have a hard time taking myself seriously as a slut.

01:03:15:04 - 01:03:36:02

Erin

And so I do get like kind of goofy. But I did have this really, really excellent slutty moment where I like, dribbled some lube on and managed to keep a straight face the whole time. And I was like, damn, you're good. That's like, you go, girl! And then had the vibrator session and actually came, which I'm like, I'm like such a porn person.

01:03:36:02 - 01:03:41:21

Erin

Like, I love watching porn, even if it's like the most, like staged shitty. Like I love porn of any kind.

01:03:41:21 - 01:03:52:18

Luna

I love that thank you for saying that. I have a lot of friends that work in the industry, and it gets a lot of criticism and like, okay, everyone criticizing porn like some other people, they are fucking.

01:03:52:19 - 01:04:11:02

Erin

Yeah. And I feel like one thing that I would really like to set as a goal for myself is like to watch more like ethical porn, where I'm like, even just filming that one thing, I'm like, I had some serious like thought and energy put in behind those. Yeah. And it's not something that's just like, you know, like I'm.

01:04:11:02 - 01:04:25:18

Erin

I'm all for it. I love porn, I want people to. Well, first of all, for sure, I want to do it. I want it to be consensual, but I also want them to profit from it or benefit from it from some point. If it's for some reason they're not out for a profit and they would like accolades or kudos.

01:04:25:20 - 01:04:32:17

Luna

I was going to say, if any of you were out there have a favorite porn star and you have not directly given them money, go find their links and tip them right now.

01:04:32:18 - 01:04:37:08

Erin

Exactly. That's what I wanted to do. Yeah, totally.

01:04:37:11 - 01:04:52:08

Luna

That's amazing. Okay. But we still haven't gotten to details of but stuff and choking and spitting. And do you do them all at once or is there a progression. Which one did you meet first and how did they happen? I mean, you said there's a lot of spit happening right now.

01:04:52:10 - 01:04:54:22

Erin

There's a lot of spit. I love spit. Does it.

01:04:54:22 - 01:04:56:16

Luna

Go in your butthole sometimes.

01:04:56:18 - 01:05:16:15

Erin

I love it. I think my favorite position in terms of including butts and spit has to be doggystyle with me using a vibrator. And man, someone in my bum while sitting on their car going in and out of my pop, like, kind of like dribble down or.

01:05:16:16 - 01:05:17:19

Luna

Dude, that's.

01:05:17:19 - 01:05:35:10

Erin

Hot. And I don't know why, but it's just like the whole meal deal. I just love it. And then if that can be incorporated with like, any other roughness, like spanking or like you're pulling or choking or mean words being said to me in a hot way.

01:05:35:12 - 01:05:54:18

Luna

I here's a question about spanking, because I'm getting a lot more of it lately. I feel like when I'm getting fucked and spanked at the same time. Also lately noticing, especially if someone has face fucking me and spanking me, I couldn't take so much more than if I'm fully focused on, but I feel like I could get spanked forever.

01:05:54:18 - 01:06:01:21

Luna

And I don't think it's just where I am and warm up at the endorphin like I've now have enough. So what's your experience like?

01:06:01:23 - 01:06:05:13

Erin

I totally agree, yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, I basically.

01:06:05:13 - 01:06:05:23

Luna

Like got a.

01:06:05:23 - 01:06:08:02

Erin

Superpower with it. Like if you need.

01:06:08:03 - 01:06:09:14

Luna

Just you can.

01:06:09:16 - 01:06:18:11

Erin

Shop. What is that? There's got to be some sort of like psychological block that's just removed or you know, I don't know.

01:06:18:13 - 01:06:25:12

Luna

Okay. So what was the first moment though, that spit wise you were like, give it to me. Or did it just happened? Was it a partner that was into it?

01:06:25:14 - 01:06:48:18

Erin

I think it really started out of necessity as far as I remember. I think it was like a bomb or lube sort of issue where there was loo, but I think it was just sort of in the. Yeah, in the moment of just like things should be sloppier. And I'm pretty sure that's how it started with someone just like sat on my bum for like a purpose.

01:06:48:18 - 01:06:53:15

Luna

Also, if anyone out there's noodle butt stuff, use lube, just use lip armpits.

01:06:53:16 - 01:07:01:01

Erin

Yes, yes. No, never. Never enough and definitely never enough. As far as I'm concerned, anywhere and everywhere.

01:07:01:01 - 01:07:08:21

Luna

Do you warm up with toys? Like, what's your asshole like? And like, what's it like? Do you have an orgasm? Like, tell us about your ass.

01:07:09:02 - 01:07:39:07

Erin

If so, no. Ask Gavin's unfortunately. Yeah. Yet. Yeah, but I don't know what it is. I my bum really is a miracle. Like it just sort of like, take things with very little warm up. Like, not no warm up. But I'm surprised, based on what I've heard from other people's experiences, it's a miracle. And so I feel like I do really, like unplugged and like, even like fingers and stuff like that.

01:07:39:09 - 01:07:55:12

Erin

But it's not necessary to actually have you know, sex, which I'm very happy have also, I have a very nonmetal bum, which only how lucky. And I know it's amazing. Or more like, how lucky are you when you stick it in.

01:07:55:14 - 01:08:00:09

Luna

But also, have you tried it at every time of the day yet? Not that you want to, but like.

01:08:00:11 - 01:08:13:07

Erin

No, but it's been various times of the day. Like there's no like ones that like evening or morning is my anal time. It's just like been sort of like when the moment like flows, you know.

01:08:13:08 - 01:08:14:23

Luna

But we'll. That's great. Okay.

01:08:15:02 - 01:08:33:04

Erin

Yeah. Like the first time I did anal wasn't even that long ago. And again, I think I only really thought about it because I was like, this is something that you're technically not supposed to do. And it just sounds like something I really want to do based on only that fact. And then it just turned out to be like, wow, this is very, very pleasurable.

01:08:33:04 - 01:08:40:16

Erin

Like with, I mean, I definitely love, like, anal with a vibrator I think is probably my best, like combo.

01:08:40:18 - 01:08:42:08

Luna

Where is the vibrator.

01:08:42:10 - 01:08:43:17

Erin

On my clit cut.

01:08:43:21 - 01:08:49:23

Luna

Off? So hot. I'm really missing but sex right now? Damn, what an inspiration you are.

01:08:50:00 - 01:08:53:09

Erin

Everyone should go out and try it for sure.

01:08:53:11 - 01:09:03:16

Luna

Okay, are there other like specifics we need to know about for your personal, physical, sexy body or other stories that we haven't gotten to that are on your list that need sharing?

01:09:03:18 - 01:09:10:19

Erin

I have the least sensitive boobs on the planet. Maybe it was because he held them too long. Back when I was 12.

01:09:10:22 - 01:09:13:18

Luna

They got early stimulation, then they couldn't feel anything after that.

01:09:13:23 - 01:09:26:20

Erin

They are seriously not sensitive at all. Like you could be so rough with them. Like as far as any sort of like, boob like nipple play that I've ever received, it's done nothing for me.

01:09:26:22 - 01:09:48:02

Luna

Let me tell you something. Speaking of sucky, I recently had a life changing, nipple sucking experience with a partner. And here's the thing I like getting touched. So no matter what, touches are pretty good for me. I mean, again, I have not been in a situation where someone tried to touch me against my will, but also my will is very large.

01:09:48:02 - 01:09:50:09

Luna

It's a large will, wide will.

01:09:50:11 - 01:09:51:08

Erin

That's exactly.

01:09:51:12 - 01:10:08:17

Luna

And I had a lover who I don't know what he was doing. I asked him, he's like, I don't know, I'm just sucking on them. But it was like so gentle and so firm and so warm and unhurried. And it kind of reminded me of like when we're talking about like the, the penis. But it was also like while he was fucking me.

01:10:08:18 - 01:10:18:15

Luna

And for the first time, I was like, should I be exploring like, mommy? And he wasn't being an adult baby or anything like that, but he was just a nipple worshiper. And he told me specifically, he's like.

01:10:18:15 - 01:10:20:01

Erin

I love your nipples.

01:10:20:03 - 01:10:42:08

Luna

And I was like, do you like your whole breasts are beautiful, but like your nipples. So it was like his excitement. But then it definitely translated into physical and or energetic sensation. And so I just discovered this new height of nipple pleasure. So I'm just saying there's hope for and and it's not something that I ever could have, like, tried to feel my way into, but it's just like, you know, sometimes.

01:10:42:10 - 01:10:56:21

Erin

Yeah. The mood strikes. Right moment. Right person your time. Yeah. Wow. Right. Okay. That gives me hope. So because it's something obviously I would like to like again like I'm such a touchy person to like any sort of touch is lovely.

01:10:57:01 - 01:10:58:14

Luna

Who knows what can happen.

01:10:58:16 - 01:11:07:23

Erin

Oh, you know what's something I'd really like to try? And I don't know why. Probably because I saw it in coin a long time ago and it stuck in my mind is a pussy pump.

01:11:08:00 - 01:11:26:12

Luna

Oh, dude, I've now tried two different versions. Go get pumped up. They're great. They're not even that expensive. And really, Layla of Curious Girl Diaries and Kathy K of Strictly Anonymous and I all tried some pussy pumps. Kathy sent us pussy pumps and we tried it and it's hot. It's really hot because it just brings all the blood into it.

01:11:26:14 - 01:11:46:01

Luna

But also, I tried a penis pump that was electric on my lip before, and I liked that because the size felt better because, like, I don't have a huge bone and I didn't, you know? So for me, I think I could use a smaller size to get more of my, like, stuff in there, you know? So I don't know, your sex shops don't let you try stuff on, but just take your personal size into account.

01:11:46:02 - 01:11:47:16

Luna

That's good to know. It's fun.

01:11:47:16 - 01:11:48:03

Erin

Yeah.

01:11:48:07 - 01:12:01:09

Luna

And also, if you don't have a pussy pump enough partners have them, like grab all of your lips with the handle or just put their whole mouth over everything and suck. You know not. Do you not stop moving. Just be firm.

01:12:01:09 - 01:12:16:14

Erin

With it and see what happens. I think that's what's like so exciting about like my current partner. Like there's been many people in my past who. Okay, first, have you noticed that a lot of people claim to be stars at eating out vaginas?

01:12:16:14 - 01:12:21:18

Luna

No, I don't attract those people. I know they exist because people tell me about them. I don't pick or attract them.

01:12:21:23 - 01:12:40:04

Erin

Oh my God, don't. You don't want to? I don't want the people who claim to be stars. At least in my experience, have not been. And then the people who are just like these, like sweet, like modest people. Yeah, are just like, Holy. Okay, can you please do that to me every day? Although for the rest of my life.

01:12:40:06 - 01:12:42:11

Luna

Wait. What's happening that you're loving so much?

01:12:42:12 - 01:13:17:08

Erin

I don't know, I think it still has a variety of, like, not grabbing, but just like the whole sort of like exploring and not such a just like, clit centric notion of like, yeah, I don't know what they do. Like I'm assuming like, that's what it feels like when most people do it. To me, it's just like, yeah, but it's like, but when they stop and it's like, oh, it's only been a couple people in my life, or I'm like, wow, you have just created like this magical cure all for everything by doing this, like, you're just so good.

01:13:17:08 - 01:13:19:15

Erin

And it's just it's so good.

01:13:19:17 - 01:13:37:16

Luna

I will say I've been lucky enough to teach a couple of partners recently. Like how to go down on me and, you know, to give them kind of like step by step instructions and then like, helps them kind of learn what to ask other partners. And I feel like that's just the kind of teachings I wish all of us had at some point.

01:13:37:16 - 01:13:55:09

Luna

It's just like a trusted partner who could show us stuff because like, truly, you know, as sad as I am that my relationship with my former master ended like, what a fucking playground. What a wonderful human to create such a nice space for me to get a little, like, confident. I'm glad that you're having that pleasure. So your partner likes going down on you.

01:13:55:11 - 01:14:15:15

Erin