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Luna

Our guest today is a professional Bdsm consultant and queer lifestyle dominatrix. Owner of Dungeon East, she is an educator, provocateur and an all around badass bitch who offers classes in person, which I have been doing online and also does private tutorials. In addition, she hosts Bdsm them, a play party for cis and trans women which I have not yet been do but is on my bucket list.

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Luna

She's been interviewed and profiled galore, appearing in Los Angeles Magazine and Playboy, and featured in nylon, L.A. weekly, Time Out Los Angeles, BuzzFeed, and salon. She's also appeared as herself on A&E, lifetime, Epix, VH one, and an upcoming remake of House party. Welcome, mistress Justine Cross.

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Mistress Justine

Thank you so much for having me.

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Luna

I am so excited to talk to you. It was at your Dungeon East Open House in January 2018, where I met a kinky couple and had like the best kinky threesome of my life as a result and went into a cage for the first time and it's like, oh shit, I love cages. I didn't know, so like like you have been so such a formative part of like my personal kink explorations.

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Luna

And I'm so grateful to have you here. So can you start off by just telling us a little bit about your work? Like, how would you say you're making the world of sex your more loving place and tell us your professional origin story? Pretty please?

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Mistress Justine

Oh. Thank you. You know, that's a lot like thank you so much.

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Mistress Justine

That makes me so happy to hear when I bring people together and.

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Mistress Justine

You know, other people find each other and have awesome experiences, and you just never know what's going to happen when you wander into the dungeon. So that's awesome. I mean, yeah, like I.

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Mistress Justine

Do the open house or we call it like this and I'm social now, so it's just that's a really wonderful, like kind of step one to get into the space and meet other people that are kinky. Check out the studio and the toys and everything as well as like other DMs and stuff. So, so cute little cocktail party and I do a lot of.

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Mistress Justine

Classes.

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Mistress Justine

So we've been doing since.

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Mistress Justine

2020, since the pandemic.

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Mistress Justine

Doing a lot of classes and developed a lot more before. I just kind of taught a Bdsm 101 class once in a while and actually used it even up my own dungeon. And it was just when people hired me to do stuff. I teach a class there, so I'm doing a lot of classes, and now that we're able to meet in person, we're doing those hybrid.

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Mistress Justine

So even if you can't come to downtown L.A., even if downtown L.A..

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Mistress Justine

Sometimes you can't get to downtown L.A., so I'll give you connected virtually as.

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Mistress Justine

Well. So it's a hybrid version. And then, you know, all of those classes have been recorded. So they're up as well. And then, you know. Yeah. Also just like the play party Bdsm, that's a space versus and trans women that I do. And it's another just really great space for newbies to come. But all these come to you and just have a really beautiful space to play in with other women.

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Mistress Justine

And you know, I always say you don't have to identify as gay, but you probably will be before you can. But yeah, I mean, all all.

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Mistress Justine

Of that and more is always on my website, Los Angeles dominatrix.com. So start there.

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Luna

Yeah, yeah. And I will say a mistress Justine Cross has an excellent newsletter that I get like it's always full of, like fun, cool stuff. That's great.

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Mistress Justine

Thank you. Yes, I personally rated every week okay. And which I actually very much enjoy it. It's very fast. I actually rate my partners newsletters on like do do do do do. So yeah, that's also fun.

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Mistress Justine

It's once a week they give.

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Mistress Justine

You what's up with.

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Mistress Justine

Me, the schedule for myself, the dungeon and people always tell me that they laugh when they're reading it. And I usually include a sexy folder. And so you'll probably.

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Mistress Justine

Get turned on. So I think those are very good reasons.

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Mistress Justine

To sign up and open the newsletter, learn a thing or two.

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Luna

Yeah, and I love just how you share your like life adventures in them too. This is off topic, but are you an air sign by any chance? Like why do you like writing so much?

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Mistress Justine

But I'm an Aquarius. Okay, so that's it.

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Luna

That's air signing community. Yep, that's the newsletter. Okay, so will you tell us a little bit about your origin story? Like how did you get here? Like what happened? What was your training along the way? And also you I experience you as a very, you know, creator of community, which is very Aquarian. But how did that kind of evolve in your life as a dominatrix?

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Mistress Justine

My origin story is in high school, actually.

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Mistress Justine

My friends gave me a book, I Was a Teenage Dominatrix by Shauna Kenney, and they said.

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Mistress Justine

I just think you should do this. And it was really funny. And then a few years later.

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Mistress Justine

After I graduated from college, because you know, I have degrees in the liberal arts, I kind of had to be a sex worker.

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Mistress Justine

I called them and I said, I'm doing this now, and I'm calling you from the dungeon. Hey.

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Mistress Justine

So that and then.

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Mistress Justine

You know, the community it was I wasn't seeing.

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Mistress Justine

Like, the events or or things that I.

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Mistress Justine

Wanted to go to happen. So I just created them.

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Mistress Justine

Myself, like, you know, and even not in the Bdsm world, like I run a lesbian book club because.

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Mistress Justine

There wasn't a lesbian book.

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Mistress Justine

Club for me in Los Angeles. So I said, oh, I'm just going to make one. Okay, fine. Like, oh, there.

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Mistress Justine

Wasn't a queer clothing.

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Mistress Justine

Swap happening. Oh, so I'm just going to make one. I have a space.

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Mistress Justine

Oh, there isn't a party for all women. And there's still isn't. There are still no parties that are just for women.

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Mistress Justine

And I think that's.

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Mistress Justine

Really, really important.

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Mistress Justine

And I know that it is, because that's what people tell me every single time we have it.

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Mistress Justine

So it was just sort of like this need.

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Mistress Justine

Of like, I want these things to be happening. And now I'm going to make them happen. But now it's like starting to be like, okay, I want to go to someone else's event.

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Mistress Justine

Yeah. No, I totally like my friends. Like, who's throwing a pool party that we can go to? And they're like.

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Mistress Justine

Honestly, like, there's other stuff, but they're like, yours is still the best.

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Mistress Justine

I agree. Just give it a you're you know, I'm here because I have the bar so high of like.

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Mistress Justine

How I want it to be run and yeah. And how welcoming I want it to be and making people feel really comfy and excited to be there.

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Luna

Yeah. Can you share some of those details, like how do you like to run it? Like what do you put in place to make sure that people feel that sort of comfort?

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Mistress Justine

Well, definitely at the play parties, like there's a lot of.

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Mistress Justine

Staff members and they're clearly identified. But I hire people who are not just really great at their craft of Bdsm. I hire people who are really friendly, you know, and so I want people walking around and talking to people, and I walk around and talk to a lot of people to you. But it's funny because, like, I am.

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Mistress Justine

Really tall and intimidating, I guess, like, is I, I'm just like, I get six foot tall latex Barbie in Louboutins. And, you know, I'm going around and talking to people and being nice and and asking them questions and being really social and, you know, that's receptive. But people are still really afraid to talk to me.

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Mistress Justine

Because my.

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Mistress Justine

Friend JP is a bartender and she says, people.

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Mistress Justine

Keep coming up to me and being like, I'm scared. I'm scared to talk to her.

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Mistress Justine

And she just says, no, just go. And like, she's totally fine. It's cool. It's like really nice. And a friend of mine who.

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Mistress Justine

Works at Ambassador Alexis, like, we're both just.

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Mistress Justine

Super tall and she's like, I don't know how to be nicer. Talk to people more. I said, I think everyone's just intimidated because we're so beautiful. We're so beautiful, so tall.

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Luna

And because you're the mistress of the space.

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Mistress Justine

Ministers, I know some people don't even know, but I think it's really important because it's like when I go to other events and not just like kinky or sexy or.

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Mistress Justine

Bdsm.

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Mistress Justine

Events, like, you don't really necessarily see a visible.

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Mistress Justine

Host or staff. People like walking around to like, mix the room.

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Mistress Justine

Yeah. And that's what's really empowering.

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Mistress Justine

Where it's like, I've been to events and I just see like people just kind of like.

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Mistress Justine

I don't know what to do. I'm just going to like, stand by the wall or like, stand over here. It's like seventh grade, you know, dinner dance or it totally. So it's just so important to me. And I love people and super extroverted and social. And it was like the pandemic was really hard because I was like, oh, wait, I need to like line up 20 cocktail dates.

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Mistress Justine

But now I can finally, like, go out and like, talk to people and work the room. And it's so fun.

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Mistress Justine

And exciting for me to do that. And then people say, wow, I just felt really comfortable and I felt like there's people we could talk to, and it was nice. And sometimes it's not even about the play that happens there, but it's the healing that happens there or the play that happens for next time, or the connection that you make that you have a private playdate, you know, and I, I just sent out a survey for one of my events and some people said, oh, well, just a lot of people were just not playing.

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Mistress Justine

And I'm like, well, were you one of them? Yeah, actually one want to bring your own spin around here, you know, and I brought the furniture. You bring the changing idea. You don't want to work this manicure to the bone. I like I set up the orders. I mean, I didn't set up the orders, but it's like, look, there's cheese there.

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Mistress Justine

Snacks. There's a bunch taking orders down, you know? So, yeah, I.

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Mistress Justine

Really do enjoy eating those kinds of things. And it makes me happy here. And how many people meet at these different places and they meet their play partner, they meet their best friend, they meet like a hiking buddy. And it's a really great space to connect with everyone. Yeah.

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Luna

And to any listeners who have not yet gone online and looked at the space, it's beautiful Dungeon East, it's beautiful. What was the path leading up to having this space and how long have you had it?

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Mistress Justine

Yeah, you can go check out dungeon at DTLa. Dungeon.com. So.

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Mistress Justine

Well, the path to me getting it is actually finding out that someone copied.

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Mistress Justine

All of my copy, and then eventually getting that dungeon.

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Mistress Justine

So yeah. Anyways, so, don't do that. Yeah. But, yeah, I found that space and I.

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Mistress Justine

Used to own another space called Dungeon West, and I started that one in, like 2000 and.

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Mistress Justine

Nine, I guess do that. I had it.

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Mistress Justine

For almost ten years before I had to close it. Yeah, I guess, or maybe 2011. I had it for almost close to ten years, and then I did close it during the pandemic in 2020 because of just it was like October 2020, and I had no idea what was going to happen. And I was like, can't, can't do that.

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Mistress Justine

But yeah, the space now.

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Mistress Justine

It's it's all white. It's, you know, it's been called like the Apple.

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Mistress Justine

Store dungeons or like, you know, it's it's like very beautiful.

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Mistress Justine

Very clean lines. It has this custom made marquee sign that says yes, mistress. That you've probably seen out and about.

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Mistress Justine

It showed up in photos, dude. Selfies, porn lifetime. Probably almost everything in the last.

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Mistress Justine

Ten years that's been on mainstream media that has been recorded in the dungeon was probably at one of my two spaces. They're just very iconic and professionally run and well-appointed so.

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Luna

And spacious because I definitely have been in some spaces where it's like, oh, there's not enough room for a long, long shot or something.

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Mistress Justine

You feel like you're in an actual dungeon.

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Luna

You know.

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Mistress Justine

Like, I am a floor chained to the oh, excuse me. Yeah, yeah, it's there. It's it's it's it's very spacious.

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Luna

So do you identify as a sex worker?

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Mistress Justine

Yes I do.

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Mistress Justine

I very strongly identify as a sex worker, even though in terms of what I do with professional Bdsm, I'm not having, you know, video sex.

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Mistress Justine

Clients. So, you know, what I'm doing is.

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Mistress Justine

You know, a fantasy. It's sexual, it's sexy, but I'm not. I'm not doing anything that ends in job. Yeah, it's how I phrase it, but yeah.

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Luna

Can you tell us what some of your, like, favorites or specialties are like? What clients are the best for you?

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Mistress Justine

The wealthy, unattached ones? No. The things that I do the most are.

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Mistress Justine

You know, I've been seeing a lot of my clients for over ten years. I've been doing this for 20 years. It's just. I can't believe it's been that long.

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Mistress Justine

The things that I do, like tease and denial, electro.

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Mistress Justine

Play, foot fetish, corporal.

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Mistress Justine

All just kind of like the sort.

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Mistress Justine

Of like basic run of the mill DSM things. But I'm anything but basic because it's like I'm bringing everyone to a really high place when we're doing these activities. And it's like, I think that there's a lot of people that are. One of my clients raised a bachelor. You said if someone is as skillful as you, they're not as good looking as you, and if there's good looking as you, they're not as.

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Mistress Justine

Skillful as you. And on top of all that, you clearly.

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Mistress Justine

Love what you do, and you're excited.

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Mistress Justine

About it. And I think that that's the best humblebrag I can do about, like, what I do and how I.

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Mistress Justine

Do it, because I feel like the sessions that I do are very different. They really run a gamut from pretty light and fun and playful to some pretty heavy stuff. But I'm not really known in my industry for a very particular fetish or skill.

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Luna

That's so cool. What was your learning process like? Like you are a teacher now. You, I'm sure, teach lots of people. I've been to a couple of your workshops. I got flogged real good in January. What was the path to your education like?

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Mistress Justine

You went to Jordan flogging workshops?

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Mistress Justine

Yeah, yeah. Oh, he's the vet. Yeah. It's like Jordan teaches the flogging and the bondage. I don't do that.

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Luna

Yeah, but then you guys came in at the end and did a scene together. It was so beautiful. It was so cool.

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Mistress Justine

I know we call it the Flogging Mistresses. Yeah. So my path was I started I mean, I did it, I'm a.

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Mistress Justine

Little I dabbled in my personal.

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Mistress Justine

Life.

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Mistress Justine

And then when I moved out here after college, I like degrees in psychology and literature, and I googled Los Angeles and Dungeon, and I started working at that dungeon, and I was working there for like, about a year and a half.

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Mistress Justine

And it's really like a.

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Mistress Justine

Dumb and, like, exploratory experience because, you know, the businesses, it doesn't exist anymore. So kind of doesn't matter. But it wasn't a positive or empowering experience. It was more like, oh, what not to do? Because they start as a submissive, which is not who I am. And irrelevant because, you know, it's not like they trained me. But then eventually I met someone who actually just came back around in my life.

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Mistress Justine

She's like, look, you.

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Mistress Justine

Need to go independent. What are you doing? Like, you need to go and here's, like, this person. And so then I became independent. So I wasn't working in a house anymore, which meant that I was setting my own rates and only on clients and doing stuff like that. And then from there, I was, you know, renting out other spaces and realizing I'm paying someone's mortgage.

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Mistress Justine

So I don't want to do that. I wanted the space.

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Mistress Justine

So I made Dungeon West, and then that went really well. So I was running myself. Justine, Process Business and Dungeon West as a business. A lot of overlap, but two different businesses. And then I double down and I got Dungeon East. So running that I don't know how I did that for so long. I mean, I had help like hired people.

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Mistress Justine

But then, you know, like I said, I closed Engine West, you know, just have me in dungeons. So still a lot still seems like.

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Mistress Justine

So much.

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Luna

Amazing thing. Can you give us a little overview of what, like a day in the life or week in the life or month or year in the life is like before, you know.

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Mistress Justine

Totally different every day.

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Mistress Justine

I will tell you, I'm a creature of habit.

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Mistress Justine

I will pretty much get up at the same time every day, look at social media for half an hour, have breakfast, work out, do some more work, have a smoothie, have lunch, do more work, whatever that is. The work can be like doing backend admin stuff, which I'm.

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Mistress Justine

Constantly sourcing more out. You know, doing sessions in person.

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Mistress Justine

I also am doing a pretty robust like online sex work and pretty regular meal time.

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Mistress Justine

And then maybe more work.

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Mistress Justine

Going out again. I'm very social, so I'm very happy that we can go out and do more things now.

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Mistress Justine

Yeah, I work a lot, but I take a lot of.

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Mistress Justine

Breaks and, you know, self-care and all of those kinds of things. And I have like a pretty good life. So I go out with my girlfriend every week. I go out with my sub every week and plan lots of trips and vacations and pretty good. So yeah.

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Luna

Yeah, I'm sure some of our listeners will be curious what online work you just mentioned that you do.

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Mistress Justine

Yeah. Well, I think I just bought the.

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Mistress Justine

Domain virtual Justine cross.com.

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Mistress Justine

You can go there and find that link. But again just just go to my website Los Angeles dominatrix.com. So all the virtual stuff that I.

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Mistress Justine

Do is, you know, in terms of sessions like I do text sessions, phone sessions, webcam sessions, I also have various clip sites. So short videos that I do, I love doing custom videos that so much better for me because I like interacting with a person. So if you give me a script, I love.

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Mistress Justine

That so much more. It's really hard for me to just talk at the camera and then I've also been doing a lot of, well, sort of two things in consulting.

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Mistress Justine

I've been doing this sort of like dominatrix.

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Mistress Justine

Therapist thing where like, you know, tell people all their problems and like, I.

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Luna

Was literally googling that a couple months ago. I was like, where are the Doms? Other therapists? A lifetime, like a real.

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Mistress Justine

Licensed therapist is all like, you know, tongue in.

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Mistress Justine

Cheek. I'm not going to, you know, help you if you're going through an actual crisis or something. I refer you to people. But yeah.

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Mistress Justine

You know, just sort of like helping people, like, work.

00:15:49:11 - 00:15:54:04

Mistress Justine

Through some, like, icky stuff that they need, like, sort of like the DMT version of.

00:15:54:04 - 00:15:57:07

Mistress Justine

Ayahuasca. Shorter or more intense.

00:15:57:09 - 00:15:58:18

Mistress Justine

Yeah. It's going to get you somewhere.

00:15:58:20 - 00:15:59:18

Mistress Justine

You know. And then I'm also.

00:15:59:18 - 00:16:17:18

Mistress Justine

Doing consulting like in my industry in terms of like within sex work, if you're already an established sex worker and you want to like, move more into Bdsm or do something different, or you're Dom and you want me to go like a do a deep dive for you. So doing those kinds of things and just kind of also just helping people kind of talk through their sort of like, I guess the kind of like.

00:16:17:18 - 00:16:19:09

Mistress Justine

Issues about Bdsm.

00:16:19:09 - 00:16:32:08

Mistress Justine

And like I just kind of help them like very actionable steps of like what to do and how to do it. Not so much like, I'm going to talk to you about your childhood for like four weeks. You know, it's like a very like they wrapped in.

00:16:32:10 - 00:16:34:08

Mistress Justine

This is what's happening for you.

00:16:34:08 - 00:16:37:04

Mistress Justine

This is what you need to do. And it's like very effective.

00:16:37:04 - 00:16:39:08

Mistress Justine

These people like, take my advice. I don't see them again.

00:16:39:08 - 00:16:44:00

Mistress Justine

They're like off and running and like, they're like submitting films to Cannes and like, it's it's done.

00:16:44:05 - 00:16:48:11

Mistress Justine

I'm really good. I need I need more people to tell them what to do.

00:16:48:16 - 00:16:55:12

Luna

Yeah, yeah. Is it mostly sex workers that you're working with, or do you also see people who are like trying to expand their lifestyle selves?

00:16:55:14 - 00:16:59:17

Mistress Justine

No, it's everyone and that's what I'm saying. So it's like if you're coming to me like for the.

00:16:59:17 - 00:17:17:16

Mistress Justine

Consulting part about like your specific sex work business, then yes, those are all sex workers. But in terms of like the other side of it, where it's like sort of like this Bdsm, like life coaching thing, it's like not at all sex workers. And it's like people who really run the gamut, like a lot of different people are coming in to do that.

00:17:17:16 - 00:17:33:15

Mistress Justine

And also it's sort of like doing consulting for couples or one person who's in a couple trying to navigate this. And like, I've already seen it all, I see what happens. So it's like easier for me to figure this out. But again, like, you know, if there's other things going on in that person's life, I'm.

00:17:33:15 - 00:17:39:18

Mistress Justine

Referring them to certain programs or certain therapies, like I'm helping you fix, like why you can't like, get over like.

00:17:39:18 - 00:17:40:20

Mistress Justine

That. You want to be spanked.

00:17:40:22 - 00:17:44:21

Mistress Justine

Like, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to do it. Yeah.

00:17:44:23 - 00:17:51:12

Luna

I feel like one of the things I hear the most often from people who are like, I'm trying to be a Domme, but I just keep laughing. Like, do you ever have those types of people come in?

00:17:51:17 - 00:17:52:13

Mistress Justine

Yeah, I just.

00:17:52:13 - 00:17:59:06

Mistress Justine

Did a class on top exploring your dominant persona and someone saying, like, we just start like, giggling. And I said, is it because.

00:17:59:08 - 00:18:00:05

Mistress Justine

Quite honestly.

00:18:00:05 - 00:18:02:03

Mistress Justine

This is really fucking silly. Like, I'm.

00:18:02:03 - 00:18:09:16

Mistress Justine

Wearing a Catwoman suit and I'm like, you know, toying with you or something? It is silly. It's like funny or is it like a nervousness?

00:18:09:16 - 00:18:14:16

Mistress Justine

And they said, okay, it's a nervousness. They said, okay, well, you need to set a timer and say, okay. For the first.

00:18:14:16 - 00:18:23:08

Mistress Justine

15 minutes of this scene, we're going to giggle and we're going to laugh when we get all the sillies out. And she's out and just like, but then we're going to get serious, you know?

00:18:23:08 - 00:18:29:02

Mistress Justine

And because you have to kind of stop yourself to allow yourself to get to that place. And.

00:18:29:04 - 00:18:30:20

Mistress Justine

You know, sometimes, like when.

00:18:30:20 - 00:18:34:22

Mistress Justine

I'm picking up on the nervous energy of someone else, like my response is to just make them.

00:18:34:22 - 00:18:35:16

Mistress Justine

Laugh a lot.

00:18:35:22 - 00:18:44:22

Mistress Justine

Which works well. You spend time with me, we're laughing, you know? But sometimes I need to stop myself because I'm just making them laugh so hard that we can't even get into the session. Yeah, because it's like.

00:18:44:22 - 00:18:47:16

Mistress Justine

Top drawer shit.

00:18:47:18 - 00:18:55:12

Luna

I love it. Can you tell us what are, like, the sexiest or least sexy or favorite least favorite parts of your work?

00:18:55:14 - 00:19:14:06

Mistress Justine

I think anything that involves poop is not sexy. Okay, not so much when it's like when it's poop that we know is going to happen, like doing things with, but there's poop there. We know that we're all adult. That's not the problem. Yeah, you exactly will whoop when you're doing some anal play.

00:19:14:06 - 00:19:15:08

Mistress Justine

That's fine.

00:19:15:10 - 00:19:36:19

Mistress Justine

It's the unexpected poop that I really I just really try to keep away from the unexpected poops. Not cool. Okay. And I won't go into details about those until I write the memoir. Okay. There will be a chapter called Unexpected Poop. I'm really excited to read on right now. That's after unexpected poop. Oh yes you do. You do not want it.

00:19:36:19 - 00:19:42:02

Mistress Justine

And you know, one of my friends said, like, you know, if you want to become a sex worker because people are always say like, oh, I want to.

00:19:42:02 - 00:19:46:10

Mistress Justine

Be a dominatrix. I want to be a dominatrix. And she would say, my first question to them would be.

00:19:46:12 - 00:19:56:06

Mistress Justine

Do you like the smell of shit? Do you like constantly cleaning up shit? And if the answer is no, you better go back to the,

00:19:56:08 - 00:20:00:09

Mistress Justine

You know, the secretarial pool or something. You know, you should be a sex worker. You want to. It's it's.

00:20:00:09 - 00:20:04:21

Mistress Justine

Great. But, yeah, I think that's what's. And sexy, I think I think what's been happening for me lately.

00:20:04:21 - 00:20:05:08

Mistress Justine

Is that.

00:20:05:08 - 00:20:07:12

Mistress Justine

Because I'm doing so many.

00:20:07:12 - 00:20:29:20

Mistress Justine

Events and people see me and or the dungeon and or my partner who teaches these classes, but really, is that I mean, what she does is her profession. She's a hypnotherapist and leads cannabis assisted journey work and those found out also at the dungeon. But I think people are really coming to us and like dropping a lot of well, I guess this falls under the unexpected poop category.

00:20:29:22 - 00:20:39:18

Mistress Justine

Dropping a lot of shit off at our door. And it's like this, you know, it's like, oh, what's going on? Like, we're we're not that place, you know?

00:20:39:20 - 00:20:59:01

Mistress Justine

And I think that's what's been not as great lately where, you know, a lot of people are coming in with a lot of stuff going on for them, and we need to take them out of our environment because it's not a good place for them right now. And, you know, moving them away and giving them resources to find better help.

00:20:59:03 - 00:21:05:11

Mistress Justine

I think that's like definitely unsexy because it takes me out of it and, you know, takes other people out of it. And, you know, dealing with that.

00:21:05:11 - 00:21:06:14

Mistress Justine

And I know it's so.

00:21:06:14 - 00:21:08:11

Mistress Justine

Hard right now, like, you know.

00:21:08:12 - 00:21:09:08

Mistress Justine

We weren't okay.

00:21:09:08 - 00:21:19:15

Mistress Justine

Before and then, you know, like, you know, all this stuff happened and it's it's really hard I get that. But I, I'm always hopeful and I'm always like, there are solutions out there.

00:21:19:15 - 00:21:29:00

Mistress Justine

Let's all drink some more water. Go outside for a walk. No, that's not going to cure. If you have a major depressive disorder, but it's going to help and maybe it.

00:21:29:00 - 00:21:38:10

Mistress Justine

Will help you from not inappropriately dumping on people who are not qualified, able to deal with what's going on for you, you know.

00:21:38:12 - 00:21:40:02

Luna

Oh, I do, yeah.

00:21:40:04 - 00:21:41:12

Mistress Justine

I'm sure, you know.

00:21:41:14 - 00:22:05:07

Luna

I really do. And I would say I've definitely seen an uptick since the pandemic. And I also, you know, there are very few spaces that people feel safe. And you're one of the 3D spaces. I imagine that anyone who's, you know, having kinky proclivities like, could come and feel safe. So I could imagine how that creates a particular uptick for you, especially because you do have an air of authority where like for the last four years, I've been like, no, no, don't ask me questions.

00:22:05:09 - 00:22:20:10

Luna

And I'm only just now being like, fine, yes, I do help. Yeah, I do consult. Yeah, I do do erotic photo and video for couples. But like don't ask me question, you know, because because I have been afraid of that and I just kind of like push it away. So. But what are your favorite parts? What are the sexiest parts?

00:22:20:10 - 00:22:22:02

Luna

What's just of the lights? You up.

00:22:22:04 - 00:22:24:15

Mistress Justine

Really. Everything else like, you know, was thinking about.

00:22:24:15 - 00:22:30:10

Mistress Justine

This and like what? You know, as I'm, constantly like, I think my, my business.

00:22:30:10 - 00:22:39:10

Mistress Justine

Plan and figuring out what I want to do. And it's like, you know, it's such a, a consultant and also my therapist, they said, I love everything about this. I love the work.

00:22:39:10 - 00:22:50:06

Mistress Justine

I love connecting with people. I love sharing parties, I love hosting classes, I love helping people. And, you know, sometimes it's an immediate oh my God, thank you. That like blew my mind. That was amazing.

00:22:50:06 - 00:22:55:08

Mistress Justine

And sometimes it's like, you know, five years later someone sends me a DM and they're like.

00:22:55:10 - 00:23:12:18

Mistress Justine

You know, I recently transitioned and I just came out and I've been meaning to send you this for a really long time. That you were one of the first people who really saw me when we fashioned. And that meant so much to me and like that, like gave me like the push that I needed to go do other stuff and, you know, that's.

00:23:12:18 - 00:23:13:14

Mistress Justine

What's really.

00:23:13:14 - 00:23:14:17

Mistress Justine

Awesome, you know?

00:23:14:17 - 00:23:23:06

Mistress Justine

And people tell me like, oh, I found my wedding dress at your clothing shop, or I met my best friend there, like, you know, it's it's really like interesting stuff. Like, I am quite.

00:23:23:06 - 00:23:23:21

Mistress Justine

The hub here.

00:23:23:21 - 00:23:30:15

Mistress Justine

So all of that, like, I love, love and it's like, look like, I mean, I get to do really nice, fancy things with my life.

00:23:30:15 - 00:23:43:17

Mistress Justine

Like because of the connections and people that I know. But also it's pretty lucrative and I get to do nice, fancy things and travel, which I love to do. So everything else except for the unexpected poop chapter.

00:23:43:19 - 00:23:48:01

Mistress Justine

It's really wonderful. Yeah.

00:23:48:03 - 00:23:51:06

Luna

What about favorite toys or implements?

00:23:51:08 - 00:23:52:15

Mistress Justine

You know, my current favorites.

00:23:52:15 - 00:23:54:05

Mistress Justine

Right now or canes?

00:23:54:07 - 00:23:54:22

Luna

00:23:55:00 - 00:23:56:18

Mistress Justine

I mean, I just.

00:23:56:19 - 00:23:58:08

Mistress Justine

Love canes. Like and I have.

00:23:58:08 - 00:24:00:08

Mistress Justine

So many like in my, my personal little.

00:24:00:09 - 00:24:03:16

Mistress Justine

You know, collection over here and stuff and my little dungeon in here.

00:24:03:18 - 00:24:06:20

Mistress Justine

Yeah. I'd have to say canes. You know, it's weird because it's like.

00:24:06:20 - 00:24:09:00

Mistress Justine

I keep making this joke during the pandemic.

00:24:09:00 - 00:24:22:22

Mistress Justine

Like, if a dominatrix with someone or like, what is the if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, like, you know, it's like. And I just felt like as if a dominatrix is, like, alone in her room, like with big like, is there anyone there to hear it? Because I just feel like so much.

00:24:22:22 - 00:24:25:09

Mistress Justine

Of it is still not like there. And it's like.

00:24:25:09 - 00:24:28:01

Mistress Justine

I really love doing electro play.

00:24:28:01 - 00:24:29:19

Mistress Justine

And using my arrows text box.

00:24:29:19 - 00:24:34:12

Mistress Justine

And like, I'm seeing people in person sessions, but no one is requesting that or asking.

00:24:34:12 - 00:24:34:20

Mistress Justine

For that.

00:24:34:20 - 00:24:40:11

Mistress Justine

I think, oh, I'd really love to do that, but that's not happening, you know? And which is.

00:24:40:11 - 00:24:43:10

Mistress Justine

Fine. It's, you know, it's a service industry. You do what.

00:24:43:10 - 00:24:47:09

Mistress Justine

People ask you to do as long as you want to do it. Yeah. So yeah.

00:24:47:09 - 00:24:49:21

Mistress Justine

Definitely canes my nails. Always my nails.

00:24:50:01 - 00:24:53:19

Luna

Yeah. I was looking at them. They were really cool looking. They're like you have different color.

00:24:53:19 - 00:24:59:16

Mistress Justine

You have is about to get redone tomorrow. But yes, these are all mine too by the way.

00:24:59:18 - 00:25:05:23

Luna

Nice. Oh cool. That's really cool. Do you have any anything to say about shame?

00:25:06:01 - 00:25:10:06

Mistress Justine

Yeah, I have a lot to say about shame. Is that, like, it's it's no surprise.

00:25:10:06 - 00:25:36:13

Mistress Justine

That we are kink shamed because we're sex shamed and we're body shamed, and there's a lot of shame, unfortunately, in our society. And even more so if you're in, you know, certain cultures and certain religions and there's a lot of shame. And I always tell people like, look, if you were raised in a, in an environment that you were shamed for, like the first 18, 20 years of your life, it's just going to take a minute to unwind all that shit, like, you're not.

00:25:36:15 - 00:25:51:13

Mistress Justine

Going to just brush it off and take it off and be like, yeah, I have no shame anymore. Like when you've had these messages for so long and not necessarily anyone around to correct you, because I think that we're a.

00:25:51:14 - 00:25:53:19

Mistress Justine

More sex positive and more positive.

00:25:53:19 - 00:26:01:03

Mistress Justine

Society. But yet we're also seeing this incredibly scary conservative backlash where we're, like, not allowed to be gay, we're not.

00:26:01:03 - 00:26:03:04

Mistress Justine

Allowed to be drag queens. And like, that's like.

00:26:03:04 - 00:26:12:17

Mistress Justine

The problem, but clearly it's not. So again, I always try to be positive, but, you know, sometimes we don't even have people that are okay. So all of our.

00:26:12:17 - 00:26:19:15

Mistress Justine

Messages are from when we're growing up and we're learning these things, but then we might escape that or we kind of leave our family of origin, and.

00:26:19:15 - 00:26:34:05

Mistress Justine

Then we sometimes get into a friend group or with other adults that like, have similar shame, and they're going to shame you and they're going to shame themselves like, and you're not going to be in a safe space with your adult lady friends to be like, oh, wow, I just saw.

00:26:34:06 - 00:26:39:16

Mistress Justine

I accidentally walked into my partner and they were jerking off. And then you have all these friends say, oh my God, he's cheating on.

00:26:39:16 - 00:26:47:05

Mistress Justine

You. Like people believe that. And it's just like, oh honey. Yeah. No. You know, and so I think that's like.

00:26:47:05 - 00:26:50:00

Mistress Justine

Hard so but I see so many not.

00:26:50:00 - 00:26:51:14

Mistress Justine

Just sex workers but other.

00:26:51:14 - 00:26:53:11

Mistress Justine

Sex positive people like.

00:26:53:11 - 00:27:11:02

Mistress Justine

Podcasts like this and therapists and TV shows and all these things, like doing so much to combat all that. So it's not shameful. I mean, Netflix had a show How to Build a sex Room. Yeah. That's huge. That's amazing. Which is a good job. Have you watch the show? I like the design. I don't know if I like all of her.

00:27:11:08 - 00:27:20:00

Luna

I haven't watched it yet, I need it, I haven't been watching TV. I need a TV. Damn. I need someone to be like, go watch this and just go in order. But, I'm adding that to my list.

00:27:20:02 - 00:27:22:08

Mistress Justine

Well, I'm just going to tell you to watch Golden Girls, so.

00:27:22:10 - 00:27:25:04

Luna

Okay, I will do that.

00:27:25:06 - 00:27:30:19

Mistress Justine

That's one that's like when everything else is just trying to recreate the magic.

00:27:30:21 - 00:27:45:21

Luna

I imagine that you're also a secret keeper. Like on the note of shame. You know, I was just on a live stream last night talking to a past guest, and, you know, he's a that you have a lot of insight on this. He is one of the many people I've spoken to who was like, super into but stuff.

00:27:46:02 - 00:28:03:14

Luna

Can't talk about it with his friends. Like they still joke about being gay. They still, you know, they still kind of have the like, sex, negative, group shaming, alpha male situation going on. Their wives don't know, but they, you know, we were talking about like on the chat sites he's on. I wonder if he ever like, meets any of his gay friends but doesn't know about it, you know.

00:28:03:14 - 00:28:14:18

Luna

And so are you a secret keeper for people? Can you talk a little bit about that stuff and just how many dudes you mean? Like, I know I'm in this cute bubble, but I'm just like, why are we still pretending?

00:28:14:20 - 00:28:17:18

Mistress Justine

Yeah, well, another point that.

00:28:17:18 - 00:28:19:07

Mistress Justine

I would like to make is that.

00:28:19:12 - 00:28:21:02

Mistress Justine

We're obviously going to.

00:28:21:02 - 00:28:23:18

Mistress Justine

Have sex shaming and kink shaming because.

00:28:23:18 - 00:28:26:06

Mistress Justine

We don't even have sex education.

00:28:26:08 - 00:28:27:09

Luna

I know that.

00:28:27:10 - 00:28:53:03

Mistress Justine

We're not even starting from a place of just having facts about our bodies, and what happens when our bodies touch other bodies. Yeah, and we're not even taught about bodily autonomy, really. So all of that is unfortunately sometimes a perfect storm. So back to this guy about his bad stuff. First of all, like fucking all of his friends are in a bud stuff, right?

00:28:53:04 - 00:29:17:23

Mistress Justine

I promise you, like they're all into it. They just. No one wants to crack first. They just they. I mean, like, there's a little bit of this. Like, my lady doth protest too much energy. Yeah, because of course, they're all into bad stuff. Of course they are. Like. But, No, I mean, I think that it's like, again, like, to me, it's so common in my circles to just always talk about sex and kink, and that's so normal.

00:29:17:23 - 00:29:30:17

Mistress Justine

And I know that that is not what happens with other people, and it's not happening with other friend groups. I mean, the internet is a beautiful place, and you can find other people to talk to you about bad stuff.

00:29:30:19 - 00:29:47:15

Mistress Justine

But, you know, the running joke I always have is like when someone's like, oh my gosh, don't tell so-and-so and kinky. And then so-and-so comes over to me is like, don't tell that person over there that I'm kicking it. We're all, it's all happening, you know? And then like, you're all kinky, you're all the bad stuff. It's okay.

00:29:47:15 - 00:29:51:16

Mistress Justine

Like just, you know, but I just wonder, like, what do people talk about?

00:29:51:16 - 00:29:52:18

Mistress Justine

Like, I guess sports.

00:29:52:19 - 00:30:00:10

Mistress Justine

I don't know, I, you know, and I think that it's like this thing where we're not talking about the things that really matter or that.

00:30:00:10 - 00:30:02:22

Mistress Justine

Are really important to us. And we just end.

00:30:02:22 - 00:30:05:07

Mistress Justine

Up talking about like, stupid shit all the time.

00:30:05:07 - 00:30:11:06

Mistress Justine

And it's like I try to have more quality conversations. But yes, I am the secret keeper and it's not always fun.

00:30:11:08 - 00:30:21:19

Mistress Justine

Yeah. Because like people to have authentic relationships and to not lie, and the first person you need to have an authentic relationship.

00:30:21:19 - 00:30:22:05

Mistress Justine

With is.

00:30:22:05 - 00:30:31:19

Mistress Justine

Yourself. You need to have a coming out to yourself and say, I like that stuff. I will do it right now. Hi, I'm Justine, I totally love buttstock.

00:30:31:20 - 00:30:36:08

Luna

Hi, I'm while I love butt stuff, I'm a very butt slut.

00:30:36:10 - 00:30:47:06

Mistress Justine

But stuff is great. I love the bad stuff. So you know, you have to be honest with yourself about those things and then you can communicate that to another person. And the more we communicate.

00:30:47:06 - 00:30:52:16

Mistress Justine

Like what we actually want, and find those people who want to do things with us.

00:30:52:18 - 00:31:01:06

Mistress Justine

Because, again, we have access to the internet and the world is a big place. You will find someone who wants to do those things.

00:31:01:06 - 00:31:02:22

Mistress Justine

With you and, you know, needs.

00:31:02:22 - 00:31:06:20

Mistress Justine

To do those things with you. It's like I had a friend who, you know, and and we put a.

00:31:06:20 - 00:31:15:12

Mistress Justine

Lot of pressure in our society about getting married and coupledom and, you know, all of these things which I don't really feel the pressure for. But I've also been in relationships.

00:31:15:12 - 00:31:19:23

Mistress Justine

For like over ten years. But my friend was saying, like, I just don't know if I if I'll ever meet.

00:31:19:23 - 00:31:24:09

Mistress Justine

Someone I like and, you know, and I'm like, well, what do you want? She said, well.

00:31:24:11 - 00:31:26:13

Mistress Justine

I just want to meet someone who wants to live.

00:31:26:13 - 00:31:33:11

Mistress Justine

In my house with me and like, raise a dog and have a baby together. And I'm like, that's like a really typical thing that's like.

00:31:33:12 - 00:31:51:10

Mistress Justine

That's like half the planet once. While especially if you already, you know, like what this is learning community. And this isn't like if someone said to me, like, I really want someone who's going to, like, put needles in me and put me in a sleep sack and like, yeah, you know, piss every day and maybe get into some poop stuff.

00:31:51:10 - 00:31:54:01

Mistress Justine

I don't know, like I'd say, like, maybe you're not going to find someone to do.

00:31:54:01 - 00:31:56:14

Mistress Justine

That for you. Who's going to do all these other things you.

00:31:56:14 - 00:32:06:23

Mistress Justine

Might have to hire out, but, you know, foot fetish, these certain things. You know, I was talking to someone like a god, probably like.

00:32:06:23 - 00:32:09:02

Mistress Justine

Last year on the phone and.

00:32:09:04 - 00:32:10:12

Mistress Justine

He was talking to me about.

00:32:10:12 - 00:32:27:22

Mistress Justine

His fantasies, and it was a young guy. And I said to him, okay. And he said, well, I can't get my wife into this or I don't want to. And the complicated mental gymnastics he had to go through to make this okay was so complicated, I can't possibly get into it in the next like 20 minutes that we have left.

00:32:27:22 - 00:32:30:13

Mistress Justine

But the point is, is that I asked him how long.

00:32:30:13 - 00:32:33:10

Mistress Justine

Have you been married? And he said, two years. And I said.

00:32:33:10 - 00:32:34:14

Mistress Justine

Okay, how long.

00:32:34:16 - 00:32:39:16

Mistress Justine

Have you been with this person? And he said, five, but I've known her for seven. And I said, okay.

00:32:39:20 - 00:32:40:12

Mistress Justine

How long.

00:32:40:12 - 00:32:44:17

Mistress Justine

Have you known that you were kinky? And he said, oh, all my life I've always known as kinky.

00:32:44:22 - 00:33:06:15

Mistress Justine

And he said there was zero self-awareness. And I said, okay, so you knew your entire life that you wanted this thing. It was that important to you, that you've kept it secret and you haven't shared it, and you pay people to participate in it and you're doing all these things, etc., etc. but it wasn't important enough for you to share it with the person that.

00:33:06:15 - 00:33:10:18

Mistress Justine

You are married to and living with. I'd really sit with that.

00:33:10:20 - 00:33:13:00

Mistress Justine

And then clearly they never called me again on Night Flirt.

00:33:13:01 - 00:33:15:07

Luna

But right, right.

00:33:15:09 - 00:33:30:20

Mistress Justine

What is going on for people? And but I get it. Like I get it because it's like then you share this with the partner person you're dating and they shame you. They run away. Like, I have a client who were friends with and but he's also dating and you know, we don't even fashion that much anymore, but we hang out a lot.

00:33:30:20 - 00:33:33:15

Mistress Justine

And because of our deal. And, you know, when.

00:33:33:15 - 00:33:35:01

Mistress Justine

I say hang out, you know.

00:33:35:03 - 00:33:47:19

Mistress Justine

Yeah, but the. So I don't do things for free. I still want that to get around town. I really hate hanging out with people. I'm not out there. I feel, you know, watching ESPN that is not happening.

00:33:47:21 - 00:33:56:19

Luna

I get a fair amount of, emails from people who are like, hey, while if I'm in Los Angeles, could I fuck you? I don't even know you. What? So I feel you. I feel.

00:33:56:19 - 00:33:59:02

Mistress Justine

You know, I don't even answer questions.

00:33:59:02 - 00:34:05:06

Mistress Justine

That are already answered on my website for free. I just tell them that I say it's up for me to answer a question that's already there.

00:34:05:07 - 00:34:06:15

Luna

Oh, I love that.

00:34:06:17 - 00:34:13:23

Mistress Justine

Yeah. So. Oh, so you know, this person, this person, my life. You know, he's I still actually with him. But we're friends. We're like literally.

00:34:14:04 - 00:34:14:11

Mistress Justine

Different.

00:34:14:15 - 00:34:22:17

Mistress Justine

Very much friends. And he tells his girlfriends, oh yeah I see Justine sometimes as a professional, but we're also friends and they're really upset.

00:34:22:17 - 00:34:24:00

Mistress Justine

By this information.

00:34:24:00 - 00:34:26:18

Mistress Justine

And he said, well, what am I supposed to do, lie? Well, what are you.

00:34:26:18 - 00:34:28:19

Mistress Justine

Supposed to do? And you know, he's.

00:34:28:21 - 00:34:45:04

Mistress Justine

Going out with them and we have a professional relationship, but also we're friends. And but again, it's this intimidation because of course, they just look at my Instagram or something, which is the Justine Cross on Instagram until I get deleted. But, you know, they're looking at me and they're like, oh my God, it was this lady. And she was intimidated and intimidating.

00:34:45:04 - 00:34:52:20

Mistress Justine

And really, I'm just like, hey, do you want to eat cheese and hang out with the girls?

00:34:52:22 - 00:34:53:11

Mistress Justine

So I don't.

00:34:53:11 - 00:34:55:21

Mistress Justine

Know, it's just it's just all this things so much. So much.

00:34:55:21 - 00:35:05:05

Luna

Yeah. Okay. So on that note, how do you navigate the personal and professional boundaries? It sounds like they're pretty clear. Pretty straightforward. Like money not money. Is there anything to say about that?

00:35:05:07 - 00:35:12:02

Mistress Justine

Yeah. One of the best things I ever did for my money was like probably about 15 or so years ago was I decided.

00:35:12:08 - 00:35:19:09

Mistress Justine

I will not spend any time with men unless they're paying me. I'm just not going to do that anymore.

00:35:19:11 - 00:35:24:18

Mistress Justine

And that was like a huge eye opening game changer.

00:35:24:20 - 00:35:29:10

Mistress Justine

And I'm so glad I did it. And I highly recommend everyone else to do that too.

00:35:29:10 - 00:35:31:22

Mistress Justine

But, you know, there's a lot of overlap because like.

00:35:31:22 - 00:35:34:22

Mistress Justine

You know, I'm creating all these different communities and there's a lot of.

00:35:34:22 - 00:35:36:23

Mistress Justine

Like crossover. But again.

00:35:36:23 - 00:35:40:22

Mistress Justine

It's like everyone really sees that I have very good boundaries.

00:35:40:22 - 00:35:43:08

Mistress Justine

And even though there's some.

00:35:43:10 - 00:36:00:20

Mistress Justine

You know, people have been bringing some weird things to me lately, like, everyone really respects my boundaries because I've been studying them for like over 20 years. You know, I'm not having a lot of boundaries stomping. And, you know, I always take it to a professional place or I split the difference, or I say, okay, like, hey, like, you're my friend.

00:36:00:20 - 00:36:22:17

Mistress Justine

And if you want to have, like, you know, a 20 minute consulting call, like, we can do that, but know that if you're going to be actually writing a treatment and a script, you need to pay me because I need to get paid for my labor. But just the same as like, you know, I refer friends who are business owners or have their own business, you know, I pay them for things or I would expect other people to pay for them.

00:36:22:17 - 00:36:23:11

Mistress Justine

So yeah.

00:36:23:12 - 00:36:25:15

Mistress Justine

It's pretty easy. It's pretty clear for me.

00:36:25:17 - 00:36:26:11

Mistress Justine

Yeah.

00:36:26:13 - 00:36:32:02

Luna

How has your sex work influenced your personal life? Do you feel like talking about that at all? Like, is there an influence?

00:36:32:04 - 00:36:42:05

Mistress Justine

Yeah, yeah. Well, I met my partner at the. So you. Oh yeah, I did. I met her at the first Bdsm. And it's a funny story because her, her name is.

00:36:42:05 - 00:36:44:21

Mistress Justine

Jordan, which is, you know, also a male name.

00:36:44:23 - 00:36:46:06

Mistress Justine

And I remember looking for up.

00:36:46:06 - 00:36:49:01

Mistress Justine

To screen, I was like, oh, God, what fucking guy? Guy's trying to come into my party.

00:36:49:05 - 00:36:59:22

Mistress Justine

And I saw her and I was like, oh, I know you. Like, I seen her around town before. And then she came and she just came with her beautiful smile. And I was in like a couple of different relationships and things going on.

00:36:59:22 - 00:37:10:01

Mistress Justine

And we were kind of dating or we were partners and we took a break. And then I guess, like in 2018, it was like on again. And then it was like, oh, and, you.

00:37:10:01 - 00:37:26:03

Mistress Justine

Know, and it was just like so great. And then she moved in and we've been together ever since and then in the pandemic together. And we're like more in love, you know. Yeah. You see all these people breaking up all of a sudden now if they've made it this long, all of a sudden they're just like out. And I'm like, babe, everything's cool, right?

00:37:26:05 - 00:37:34:14

Mistress Justine

Really? I mean, it's it's like, oh my God, I love you so much. Thank you. Thank God. I'm like, okay, you know. Yeah. So I think, you know, because we're we're both doms.

00:37:34:14 - 00:37:37:06

Mistress Justine

So we co-taught in professional spaces.

00:37:37:08 - 00:37:42:17

Mistress Justine

I'm in the dungeon at, you know, but I think that definitely since the beginning.

00:37:42:17 - 00:37:47:14

Mistress Justine

Of the pandemic, when everything was, was on fire, extra, extra hard, it was like.

00:37:47:16 - 00:37:48:14

Mistress Justine

Hey, just because I'm.

00:37:48:14 - 00:37:50:20

Mistress Justine

In quarantine with my partner and I.

00:37:50:20 - 00:37:57:05

Mistress Justine

Have two dungeons, it doesn't mean like we're using them all the time because we're sad too. Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah. I think now the.

00:37:57:05 - 00:38:08:06

Mistress Justine

Thing that we, we try to fine tune is that like we do so much of the like, classes and events and stuff in the dungeon that then we don't have, it's sort of a burnout if we don't have like our own.

00:38:08:06 - 00:38:10:13

Mistress Justine

Time and space to explore and do things.

00:38:10:13 - 00:38:16:10

Mistress Justine

So we're trying to like, find you, not to figure out how to make it fun again. For us.

00:38:16:12 - 00:38:20:03

Mistress Justine

Part of it is like, oh, if there is another event that was me but wasn't.

00:38:20:03 - 00:38:22:09

Mistress Justine

Me, I'd go there all the time, but I just haven't found it yet.

00:38:22:09 - 00:38:23:16

Mistress Justine

So we are going out to.

00:38:23:16 - 00:38:30:15

Mistress Justine

Some more things in Los Angeles, you know, sometimes with her and sometimes not with her, because I just. I'm a show pony. I just want to go out and have people flirt.

00:38:30:15 - 00:38:34:13

Mistress Justine

With me and look, you know, play with them a little bit because they don't want to play.

00:38:34:15 - 00:38:45:00

Mistress Justine

Too much with people. I don't know, because I do this professionally, and I really want it to be with people that really know and like aren't going to get out, feel, you know.

00:38:45:00 - 00:38:47:04

Mistress Justine

So yeah, so it's just like fine tuning.

00:38:47:04 - 00:38:55:07

Mistress Justine

That and carving out the time of just making sure, like we're still doing the things that we love and doing the things outside of the dungeon that we love to.

00:38:55:09 - 00:38:56:00

Mistress Justine

Yeah. Again, just.

00:38:56:00 - 00:38:58:17

Mistress Justine

Like fine tuning that and making sure we're checking in and stuff.

00:38:58:17 - 00:39:08:13

Luna

So this might be a very ignorant question, but how do two tops fit together? Like how does that work?

00:39:08:15 - 00:39:20:03

Mistress Justine

Okay, here, I'll take you through it. Okay. I just you you know me. You've seen Jordan, right? Okay. So you've seen we've seen this dungeon. Yes. How many other dungeon? I want to imagine the hottest sex we could ever possibly.

00:39:20:03 - 00:39:27:03

Mistress Justine

Have with water than that. All right, you're welcome. Oh.

00:39:27:05 - 00:39:29:14

Luna

Fuck. Yes. Damn. What a good answer.

00:39:29:18 - 00:39:36:20

Mistress Justine

You're welcome, folks at home. Why? I was taking off her shirt and blushing a lot.

00:39:37:02 - 00:39:41:13

Luna

I am blushing a lot.

00:39:41:15 - 00:39:57:12

Mistress Justine

Yeah, I just want to say that, like, you know, yeah. Two tops. Quarantined at home for a long time, that both work together and sometimes had PMS at the same time together was a vicious name. Sure. Like, we really care about each other.

00:39:57:12 - 00:40:17:12

Mistress Justine

We really, like, check in and, like, it's really good. It's such a good, healthy, happy partnership. And that's the thing that I want to stress the most, where it's just so we just communicate so well. Like when something happens, we immediately fix it and it's fixed like it's not. We don't have like a lot of like.

00:40:17:14 - 00:40:38:22

Mistress Justine

I sometimes I read about couples are like, we've been having this argument for ten years and I'm like, oh my God, I'm tired of you feel like, you know, it's like, what is this? Like, why are you like, don't bother with this, you know? And we just it's like fixed and then it moves on. I mean, the things that we can do for ourselves, it's like, you know, other people we can't control as much as we would like to.

00:40:39:02 - 00:40:40:06

Mistress Justine

But the things between.

00:40:40:06 - 00:40:40:20

Mistress Justine

Us, like.

00:40:40:20 - 00:40:42:12

Mistress Justine

It just works really well.

00:40:42:12 - 00:40:52:23

Mistress Justine

90% of the time. And then the 10%, if a problem or something comes up, we sit down and we talk about it and we figure it out and we we solution. So you feel very like cared for and. Yeah.

00:40:53:00 - 00:41:05:06

Luna

Fuck yeah. That's awesome. Okay. So broadening out, what would you say you've learned about social and or cultural norms through your work that has like either surprised you and or that you'd like to shift?

00:41:05:08 - 00:41:07:09

Mistress Justine

Yeah, I think it's like that to like what I've.

00:41:07:09 - 00:41:08:08

Mistress Justine

Already said, but I'll.

00:41:08:08 - 00:41:12:21

Mistress Justine

Just include another funny story, which is like, you know, I just I really want partners to.

00:41:12:23 - 00:41:30:08

Mistress Justine

Be authentic about what they want in a relationship and what they want in sex and kink and I just can't stress this enough. And it's been a really beautiful journey, which again, I've been doing this for almost 20 years. So some of my clients have been seeing me for well over 15, and I've had some clients who I saw solo.

00:41:30:10 - 00:41:34:06

Mistress Justine

Then I would see them as a couple, and then sometimes they just.

00:41:34:06 - 00:41:47:06

Mistress Justine

Come and use the dungeon and that's like a really beautiful arc. A little less money for me. So if that so give you a little bit more, a little less there, a little bit more. So, so it's really beautiful. But I think that, you know.