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Luna

And our guest today is the one and only Ava Sinclaire.

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Ava

Hello. Hello.

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Luna

Welcome, Ava. I am so excited to have you here. This has been a long time and coming a lot of edging. Will you start out by telling us how are you making the world a sexier, more loving place? What do you do? And what's your work origin story?

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Ava

Let's see. I started dancing when I was 18, on and off contact, like two years, two years off. I just sat at home for a little bit and I went to do dancing, and when I was about 23, I started doing play.

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Luna

You just started one day?

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Ava

No. I actually thought about it for a very long time and I was like, I've always done it. I've always been like really passionate about porn and like, as an art, it's something, something very, very beautiful. And even when I retire from shooting, I want to direct because I love it as an art. And so I've always been very passionate about porn.

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Ava

Watched a lot, appreciate it a lot, if you know what I mean. And so I thought really hard about doing it. I wasn't sure, so I tried I tried camming for like three days and I was like, hell yeah, let's go.

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Luna

Amazing. Okay. Where did you calm what did you do? What do you remember about that?

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Ava

Oh, God. It just came on, like, stream for, a couple of, like, maybe a week, honestly.

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Luna

Like, is that like, a free camming, or is that, like, sex? Work pay. Stay calm. Yeah. Oh, that's nice. No, no.

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Ava

I and it was like super nice. And I was kind of worried like when I got in like, oh, people might be mean. People might be like weird or kind of me, you know, mostly me. Yeah. Everyone has been so fucking nice. Like you have no idea the first. This guy when I was camming, he, like, paid me for hours to sit and chit chat.

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Ava

Like I sat and told him about. I talked about sandwiches for like 45 minutes and he said, would you? I'm very into sandwiches. I'm from Ohio.

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Luna

When I was little, I made up a song about sandwiches because I love them so much. Do you want to hear it? It's really dumb and it's not related to sex. But also that was where the sandwich is sexual.

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Ava

No.

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Luna

Oh, not at all. Okay, here's my song. Sandwiches are wonderful. Sandwiches are fine, I like sandwiches, I eat them all the time. I eat them for my breakfast, then I eat them for my lunch. I like sandwiches. What rhymes with lunch? I have another one that goes. I eat them for my snack and I eat them for my meal.

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Luna

I like sandwiches, they make me want to squeal. Anyway, it's been a while so. But my friend and I made that up when we were like ten. So wait till you talked about sandwiches. Yeah. Was it sexual? Was it fun? It was just.

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Ava

Like I was, I love it, I was wearing clothes. I was sitting there telling him like, oh, he was just meant to listen to me talk like company or something, you know, like company. I love it. And so I'm sitting there telling him all about we talked for hours and hours, and this was like the last conversation.

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Luna

You're like a true online courtesan. Like that is companionship. Yeah, but did you also do sexy things with him or.

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Ava

No. No, no, never.

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Luna

Did you want to?

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Ava

I was very open.

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Luna

Okay, okay. Because you at some point, the thought entered your head. Maybe I will do porn. I know it's entered mine. Do you remember what that first moment was? Yeah.

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Ava

I was probably like fucking five. And I saw video of DVD point. I was like, oh, fuck.

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Luna

This is cool. Okay. What is your first sex memory?

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Ava

Yeah, I like was sneaking around. I was snooping around my mom's stuff, and she had, like, this box. You know, this is back in, like, the early, early 2000. It was DVDs of porn. And so I saw it, and I was like, what is that?

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Luna

What was it?

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Ava

Porn?

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Luna

But, like, do you remember what kind of like, what has just.

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Ava

For now, like, just like, man. Okay. Blond girl porn.

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Luna

Okay. So me and.

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Ava

My dad, actually, we were on the phone the other day. Me, my dad, a very close, very. Oh, bit. And. Right. He was like, when they met, we would talk about something about porn. Because, like, I caught watching porn one time, right? It's awful.

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Luna

How old were you? 12. Okay.

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Ava

Oh, would you like to hear that?

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Luna

Yes. I have, like, literally so many questions that I want to hear all of your stories. And we're going to stay on target, but, like, yes, I want to hear this.

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Ava

I was like 12 years old, right? And my mom was married to this guy for like ten years. Like he was a very nice guy who's a great fucking dude. Super cool. Right? And so I got my first, like, school computer to do my schoolwork. You know, I ended up watching, like, a ton of porn, and I was I was, like, very curious.

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Ava

I watched, like, everything, even if it wasn't stuff I was particularly into. Like, I would check out everything like I was young. I was like, what is this world of porn? Yeah. And so I was watching these, like, hardcore lesbian gangbang, like very, like aggressive, like holy men. And my mom's husband, like, saw it and he was like, I have no questions.

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Ava

I don't want to know anything. I just this is how you delete your history in the future. I don't want your mom to think I'm watching this. Oh, how did that make you feel?

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Luna

Yeah, I have a lot of feelings about.

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Ava

I thought it was hilarious because he was so uncomfortable.

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Luna

Okay, okay. But I.

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Ava

Appreciate him. He's a great guy. But he was so awkward. He was like.

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Luna

Yeah, I mean, I think that's very thoughtful. And also, like, extremely hilarious awkward situation. So. But do you think you were really five and we were five? We were like, I could do it. Or like, what was the moment where you're like, I'm actually maybe considering this, you said you have this consideration period. What tipped you over?

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Ava

Well, I honestly, it's always been on the back of my mind since I was in, like I watched a lot of porn growing up. So I was always like, this is something this is really cool, but I'd never wanted to do it because I was this is the weirdest thing. This is the only thing that, like, stopped me from doing porn.

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Ava

People I went to high school with.

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Luna

Yeah, I get not my family.

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Ava

I talk all my family. I did point where I started and they were all there. They're like, get a real job. Very supportive and they love me like I'm very close to my whole family. And so I was like, like, oh, other people I don't know will like, think of me some way, you know, got over that because I got older.

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Ava

Okay. And then I kind of like it was like.

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Luna

Wait, you're still young, though? I'm 25. Okay.

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Ava

I'm a woman.

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Luna

Yes you are. Yes. You're a very beautiful, sexy grown.

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Ava

Woman and high school girl.

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Luna

In your school, I love it. Oh, I have so many questions, but more formative things. Well, is there anything else to say about, like, the things that led you to porn?

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Ava

I have always been a very sexual person. Like I enjoy sex in my real life. I actually when I joined plant, I was like 2.3 for them and they're like, oh, you gotta turn it down a notch.

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Luna

Oh my God.

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Ava

Well, in my personal life I was very, very sexual and I have been for as long as I can remember. I've always been very sexual. I enjoy sex, and so when I started porn, I remember like my first my first shoot right? I came on my first shoot like I came. I had a great time. I was like, this is so fun, guys.

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Ava

I came yes, because, like, there's cameras on me. And I was a job. I was like, I came on my first day and I was like, fuck yeah, this is great.

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Luna

Yeah. Do you identify as an exhibitionist?

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Ava

I don't, but I probably am.

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Luna

Okay. Amazing. No, I love that because I one.

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Ava

Of the things I like the power play with porn, like people have to watch and they can't touch like, that's like they're not allowed at all. So it's kind of like a beautiful doll in a glass house.

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Luna

They can look, but they can't touch me. Oh my gosh. Okay, so who were you two sexy four agents. Everyone know everyone like directors. Like, no, not everyone.

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Ava

I was always great on set. People love me. I get booked all the time. My first point that just came out, I shot it like my first week and it just came out recently.

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Luna

Oh how.

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Ava

Fun. I know because I think, like it's time travel. No, I think they didn't. They were like, this is too much. And they didn't put it out because I show up on set. This was like my third porno ever, my first video, and they were like, oh, get comfortable. You can do whatever you want. It's up to you.

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Ava

Like anything you're comfortable with, right? Because they were thinking anything I was comfortable with would be like bare minimum you could say, because I was like, people's assumptions.

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Luna

See, people have assumptions. This is a great example where they know I'm really quiet.

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Ava

I'm like four feet tall and I'm like, really quiet. I don't want to wait. How tall are you for 11?

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Luna

For 11? Yeah. You are tall. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

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Ava

It's I walk in, they were quiet and sweet and they're like oh don't worry, you can do everyone. We want you to be comfortable. Everyone who's really nice. Like they ordered me pizza. It was like they all very nice thinking. I was like.

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Luna

Not comfortable.

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Ava

And then I start shooting the porn and it's fucking disgusting. Like he spent my mouth like my face is purple by the end of the scene. And it was like, amazing. He's like the sex love of my life, you know what I'm saying?

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Luna

Like, excellent chemistry. Yeah. So.

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Ava

Okay, so, like.

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Luna

Wait, so this porno just came out. People can watch it.

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Ava

I don't even know. Didn't even know. I'm, like, just amazing.

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Luna

Fucking amazing.

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Ava

So it's like we actually when.

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Luna

The animal, the.

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Ava

Like I seen and then we were like done with the scene and then we went to the bathroom, but it was like it was like super rough. Lots of slapping, lots of like spitting, like really rough. And it came from a company that's not that's not really their thing.

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Luna

Oh, okay. Can you tell our listeners where to find it? They're going to be Team Ski. Oh.

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Ava

I've been looking I love Johnny Love. I think it was it was like covered video fun.

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Luna

Okay. So let's recap. You did some dancing and then you were like, oh, I'm coming.

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Ava

I actually didn't like dancing. I'm shy. I'm so shy. I like, fuck yeah.

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Luna

You're like, I need the one on one. Yeah.

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Ava

So I'm great one on one. But like, walking into, like I don't go clubbing or the nightclubs like that. So we're like, walking into that with the lights and noise. I can't even talk to anyone.

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Luna

So do you mostly do one on one scenes or have you done some group stuff, like just give us a little overview of your porno work because.

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Ava

Like, I love group stuff and I haven't done it a lot, but I'm finally independent. So now I'm booking my answer so I can book whatever I want.

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Luna

You want group stuff or do you prefer like the more.

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Ava

The fucking merrier.

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Luna

Okay, as long as everyone's cool.

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Ava

I hate when you go on set with someone that's not intersex and they're just there for money. That's not the vibe.

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Luna

Yeah, I remember the first time that we met, like, after, I don't know, a few days of knowing each other, and you kind of started to learn how to, like you said, you were shy. And then I was like, oh my gosh, I'm shy too. But then you told me you were like, I think you were like, I never tell people this, but I think you might like doing porn.

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Ava

But I really don't. You don't I recommend most people not to do porn?

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Luna

Yes. Like you told me that you were like. I tell most people. No, but you do. Maybe yes. And I think I, I think I might at some point start my in my own stuff.

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Ava

I love porn and it's something I see myself in for the rest of my life. Like when I stopped shooting porn because I'm old and tired and I don't want to get my hair done, I'm going to direct it like I love it. And so it can be a great place for a lot of people. I mean, I feel like you would be happy there, and it's not it's not that it's a bad place for some people, but you have to have strong boundaries and know what you want, know what you're comfortable with, and actually have a reason that you want to do porn other than money.

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Luna

Well, my reason is money.

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Ava

You go to school. If you want to go make money, go to school, do something.

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Luna

Yes, there's so many good ways to make money. No, I really want to have more sex. I struggle with casual dating. It's not my thing. I struggle with regular dating.

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Ava

It's not really bad and talking to people.

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Luna

But I have.

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Ava

A dick like you have.

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Luna

Yeah, and I have a really big bucket list. So I just want clarity. And I want people who want to document that with me. So I think I'm going to I'm, I mean, I am starting that. I just have it.

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Ava

Honestly, if you can produce and direct it yourself, that's the best idea because then you can own your rights and stuff. Just getting a little paycheck doing that.

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Luna

But then I also want to work with other people just because, well.

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Ava

Yeah, you can hire people or you can contact trade where you shoot.

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Luna

Something. Yeah, that's what I'm on. I'm drafting my email templates. But let's focus on you because I want to know when you tell people in your life what you do, what are the reactions?

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Ava

Well, I told all my family before I started and they were kind of just like, okay, no, okay. I didn't even like tell them, tell me. I was just like, hey, I'm doing porn. So if you're scrolling on you on Pornhub or something like.

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Luna

Sorry.

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Ava

So pay attention, ignore that. Okay. But my family is super, super cool and they're all like, love, support me. Yeah.

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Luna

Amazing. Amazing. What about, like, regular people? Not your family. Like, you.

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Ava

Know, I'm very upfront. Like, I don't tell people I don't like, I, I don't know, some people like you when you burnout ask, you like, oh, what do you do? I'm not a random person, you know, but I definitely tell all of my friends and that, like, if I like, I'm dating and trying to talk to someone, I tell them before we even meet, like, I'm like upfront, just so you know.

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Luna

Once you talk to them with words or do you have a on like a profile?

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Ava

Both. Like I meet someone out in public or if I meet someone on net.

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Luna

Do you.

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Ava

I do.

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Luna

Okay.

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Ava

Yeah. But I it's it's hard to get a hold me on the because I'm really very rarely I'll get it.

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Luna

I totally get it. Well I mean yeah. So I, I'm.

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Ava

Always down for a friend.

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Luna

Okay. So you do porn. What is your schedule like. Like how what are the what's the nitty gritty and like what do you love the most about it? What are the sexiest part? I.

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Ava

Used to shoot a ton of porn, and now I'm scaling back on how much I shoot so I can shoot higher, higher quality, you know? Yeah. So I can, like, instead of, like, shooting five times a week, I'm shooting, like less, but then I'm putting like hours and hours and work for my outfit, for my wardrobe, my scene, my like other stuff.

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Ava

Yeah. So I like it a lot.

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Luna

Much like great creative outlet.

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Ava

Yeah. It's I made the skirt the other day and it's like the to to skirt with like layers and IV's in it and it's like.

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Luna

Beautiful.

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Ava

Like amazing. And it was fun. I get to do arts and crafts but it's like work.

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Luna

Yeah, yeah. What would you say. Like yeah. The sexiest part. Like do you get turned on while you're working on that stuff or what's your arousal levels like when you're like like as related to work?

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Ava

I mean, 20 47I am a very sexual person. Like I can go to set, have sex. I'll come like a lot on set. Very good. Yeah. Like I know I'm only like, is.

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Luna

It too personal if I ask, like how you come.

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Ava

It depends. Okay. So if it's, I can score it and. But if there's like a dick in me, I can't square.

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Luna

Do you come from squirting?

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Ava

Yes. Oh.

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Luna

Is it always come with me.

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Ava

Oh, no. Because there's like, clitoral stimulation. But then there's, like G-spot inside. Yeah.

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Luna

Yeah. Okay. So you can come both ways. Oh.

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Ava

You know what? I one day found out that, like, there's some women that die and never come.

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Luna

Yes, I've read, I've heard of fucking wild. I mean, that's why I want us to talk about sex as much as possible. And that's why I think the work that you're doing is incredible. Will you tell us some of your, like, favorite parts of, you know, just as you reflect on the work that you've done, what do you love doing the most?

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Luna

What are you doing right now? Oh, God.

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Ava

I love everything about porn. I like having the schedule, waking up early in the morning, taking a shower. You go to shoot your on set with all these very cool people. And then you make some beautiful fucking art. You get to fuck some hot people.

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Luna

Yeah, but.

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Ava

You don't have the, like, complications of. Oh, tell me about your family.

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Luna

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Ava

Which everyone in point is actually super, super fucking like each day it's more of, like a welcoming family. Okay. Anything like you have your rotten apples, but 99% of the people are, like, really nice and really friendly because, like, everyone's just there to make money. Like a lot of people that have a lot of family, you know. Yeah.

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Ava

And so it is a very supportive group of people.

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Luna

That's amazing. Yeah. I went to the awards this year and I got to just like meet a bunch of people, and everyone was super nice. And I felt so I was like, oh no, I'm with my podcaster. I felt so nerdy. And then I was like, what am I doing? And then I was like, but maybe I will.

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Luna

In.

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Ava

Porn, you will meet the hottest person ever you're scared to talk to, and they will be cool.

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Luna

Yeah.

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Ava

Because I get nervous sometimes, like, I'll talk to, like, a fucking high, like number one constantly.

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Luna

You're so beautiful.

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Ava

And I'll be nervous. And there most on earth people ever.

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Luna

I mean, that makes sense. That makes sense. I've been. I have been like, on some red carpets as a photographer and like, been very close to people, and they're just chill as fuck. Yeah. That's good. It's nice.

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Ava

Yeah.

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Luna

We're all people. So here's what I'd like to know. Have you ever, like, met someone? And they've been like, I love your work and you've ended up fucking in your personal life.

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Ava

Of course. Yeah. I've, I've met people in, like, regular life, and they're like, who are you? I know who you are.

00:15:22:19 - 00:15:26:03

Luna

They do. You've been recognized. Yeah. How is that for you?

00:15:26:05 - 00:15:28:12

Ava

Embarrassing. I don't tell, I don't like.

00:15:28:14 - 00:15:33:20

Luna

But wait, has that led to lover ships or like, would you feel comfortable? Yeah. It has. Okay.

00:15:33:22 - 00:15:38:13

Ava

As long as I understand, like it is an art and you're not going to get that.

00:15:38:17 - 00:15:44:18

Luna

Yeah. Yeah. So how often have you been, like, recognized in life. Like how many is.

00:15:44:18 - 00:15:57:07

Ava

It not too many. Because honestly I don't go anywhere. Okay I like I hike, I go to the beach and like I don't go out anywhere. I honestly like I get my groceries delivery. So, yeah, I meet a lot of people.

00:15:57:07 - 00:15:57:21

Luna

Online.

00:15:58:02 - 00:16:03:23

Ava

On social media and stuff. But I also meet a lot of fans in real life at Sheri's Ranch. It's a lot of fun.

00:16:04:01 - 00:16:08:00

Luna

Okay, so Sheri's ranch is a brothel?

00:16:08:00 - 00:16:13:01

Ava

Yeah, it's a brothel. Nevada. Everyone is tested safe background checks. So you're.

00:16:13:01 - 00:16:15:00

Luna

A courtesan? Yes.

00:16:15:02 - 00:16:24:10

Ava

I love meeting people in real life. It's kind of like, scary. You're like, who are you? Where are we going? You know, so at Gotham, it's very safe, very clean, comfortable. And I love it.

00:16:24:12 - 00:16:26:03

Luna

Amazing. How long have you been doing that?

00:16:26:08 - 00:16:31:17

Ava

Oh, got on it. I kind of like it more than porn. Just a tiny bit. I love porn, but, like, amazing.

00:16:31:17 - 00:16:33:20

Luna

Okay, tell us what you like about it. And like.

00:16:33:22 - 00:16:35:04

Ava

Less traveling.

00:16:35:06 - 00:16:35:22

Luna

Okay?

00:16:36:00 - 00:16:44:01

Ava

I still get to meet people and I get more one on one experiences. And I'm a very good, like, conversationalist. I'm really good at, like, hanging out, talking to people, getting.

00:16:44:01 - 00:16:52:23

Luna

To know people. I love that. How long do you get to, like, spend with is there an average or is it like all sizes? Like what do you how long do you usually like to spend with someone?

00:16:53:01 - 00:17:00:18

Ava

I feel like most people like an hour is kind of a minimum. I've had people book me for a very long time, like days, hours, years, not year.

00:17:00:20 - 00:17:17:15

Luna

So that's cool. Wait, would you do would you do wife for a year? I've heard people do wife for. Yeah. You would. Yeah. That would be so fun. Oh my gosh. So you'd have to live at the brothel for a year though. But that would be very interesting. You could take over one of the VIP rooms.

00:17:17:17 - 00:17:18:20

Ava

I'm sure it would work.

00:17:18:23 - 00:17:25:09

Luna

Okay, so tell us where you hope your career goes. You said you want to make porn until you're too old to do that or get tired of it.

00:17:25:09 - 00:17:31:17

Ava

No I can't, I honestly feel like I'm a very. I'm going to do porn for till I retire.

00:17:31:17 - 00:17:32:08

Luna

Yeah.

00:17:32:10 - 00:17:44:13

Ava

Like in one more aspect, I'm not that like right now. I like being in front of the camera. It's very fun creating, shooting, maybe. You know, I think it's for everyone if they want to do it. But some people get tired, you know, if you're in there for 50 years, you might be like, this ain't my thing anymore.

00:17:44:18 - 00:18:00:14

Ava

And then I want to produce and direct. And I love shooting. I love making like scripts, and I love giving ideas. And it's why it's just like starting out. It's not even legal everywhere, you know? Like it's such a baby idea. Like one day it's going to be used and seen as an art form. Like it's amazing.

00:18:00:15 - 00:18:04:10

Luna

So erotic art. So do you have any specific.

00:18:04:12 - 00:18:17:12

Ava

I actually have shot softcore porn. So like, we should we shoot hardcore important in America, which is where you can see the dick, you can see the vagina. But I've shot for like the Middle Eastern countries, like where it's very like conservative, you know, like very religious.

00:18:17:12 - 00:18:19:14

Luna

So what is that? What can they show? What is that.

00:18:19:14 - 00:18:21:01

Ava

Nipple? So you like the.

00:18:21:01 - 00:18:22:01

Luna

Kinsey nipple.

00:18:22:03 - 00:18:29:10

Ava

So you'll have sex, but some people don't. But if you don't have sex during softcore, like, that's fucking weird. Not weird. It's just not my vibe.

00:18:29:12 - 00:18:34:11

Luna

Got it, I will. I two would rather have the sex. Whether or not I just need.

00:18:34:13 - 00:18:37:06

Ava

Softcore means with no insertion. So like, you can.

00:18:37:08 - 00:18:38:08

Luna

I mean.

00:18:38:10 - 00:18:51:03

Ava

You can make the position to make sounds. Yeah they have they enjoy it a lot but I definitely fuck during my softcore because some people will like just like not fuck and they'll just like pretend because you don't have to see anything. And I'm like.

00:18:51:05 - 00:19:11:13

Luna

I don't like pretending. But I would like being teased and not actually fucked for an entire shoot, especially if I could then fuck the person afterward. We got some of your favorites. Are there any very funny shame related experiences you have encountered because of your work?

00:19:11:15 - 00:19:12:10

Ava

Let's see.

00:19:12:13 - 00:19:24:08

Luna

Like, I know you're pretty low shame. Yeah, I even joined us for a deep dive. Live for anyone who is, patron. We talked about shame a lot, so I have a little foreknowledge. If it does not have a lot of shame, I.

00:19:24:10 - 00:19:25:03

Ava

Have a great time.

00:19:25:03 - 00:19:37:06

Luna

Just between me. Awesome. Happy to be me. Fuck, yes. But other people shame. Like, have you encountered any funny situations? Either because you didn't understand their shame or you were like, oh shit. There's like, is there funny shame?

00:19:37:09 - 00:19:43:14

Ava

My my first experience with shame, I think I'm, I mentioned this, it was I was too young to honestly be.

00:19:43:14 - 00:19:43:23

Luna

Doing what.

00:19:43:23 - 00:19:48:18

Ava

I was doing, but he didn't know that. Right? So he picked me up and we like went to the we went to the

00:19:48:20 - 00:19:51:07

Luna

Mall and we got the date kind of okay, you.

00:19:51:07 - 00:19:51:18

Ava

Call it.

00:19:51:18 - 00:19:53:02

Luna

That. Got it, got it.

00:19:53:04 - 00:20:08:03

Ava

He paid me. We went to the mall. We bought some clothes about like matching little dresses and stuff. He bought me a ton of shit, man. Sure, daddy? Yes. Okay. Something like that. Okay. And then afterwards, we go to the park and just want to be, like, humiliate him and try to, like, in a sexual way. I'm like, oh, you dirty little boy.

00:20:08:03 - 00:20:12:02

Ava

You feel like a girl, don't you? Oh, and he loved it.

00:20:12:04 - 00:20:13:15

Luna

Yeah, okay. You did. Wow.

00:20:13:15 - 00:20:15:21

Ava

Oh, that was it. Yeah. So you want it?

00:20:15:23 - 00:20:18:13

Luna

How did you know how to say or do that? I like.

00:20:18:13 - 00:20:19:00

Ava

It's.

00:20:19:00 - 00:20:20:08

Luna

Gonna be fun.

00:20:20:08 - 00:20:27:11

Ava

I mean, people are always surprised that don't know me cause I'm very shy when you meet me and people are like. I'm very quiet. And so they think I'm obviously submissive.

00:20:27:11 - 00:20:31:00

Luna

You're also extremely adorable so many times. And I'm like.

00:20:31:01 - 00:20:32:22

Ava

Oh, you look like you're something.

00:20:33:00 - 00:20:34:19

Luna

Yeah. Yes.

00:20:34:21 - 00:20:53:06

Ava

And I am very submissive now. I also have a switch. So I do love being a Domme. And so when I do domme, it's more of like, I do this authentically myself. So I'm like more giggly, like, so it was very fun. Like I said, stuff I would never say to like a person in real life, you know, I'd never be mean.

00:20:53:06 - 00:21:00:15

Ava

But she's like, imagine funny stuff to make up, make fun of someone, and so kind of be like, I would chuckle at myself like, oh, that's amazing.

00:21:00:17 - 00:21:04:07

Luna

Have you ever said something that was too mean? Because that's my biggest fear of that.

00:21:04:07 - 00:21:07:14

Ava

Is my biggest fear, and that's why I won't dumb a lot.

00:21:07:17 - 00:21:08:01

Luna

Okay.

00:21:08:01 - 00:21:26:14

Ava

I'm very specific with people. I dumb because I am too nice to cross the boundary. Like I will do some fucked up stuff you as long as you want to, you know what I'm saying? I will never do anything anyone is uncomfortable with, so I always try to like ask a lot of questions before. And I'm like very specific because I get really nasty.

00:21:26:14 - 00:21:29:22

Ava

So I'm like, how would you feel if your dad was here right now? Can I start.

00:21:29:22 - 00:21:33:19

Luna

Off? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Check in though. I mean I just.

00:21:33:19 - 00:21:35:13

Ava

I do all before we start.

00:21:35:15 - 00:21:37:06

Luna

Yeah. Yeah okay. Good.

00:21:37:08 - 00:21:39:09

Ava

So I do a whole like interview process.

00:21:39:11 - 00:21:41:19

Luna

Beautiful. So it's kind of formal.

00:21:41:21 - 00:21:51:19

Ava

People don't know what they're comfortable with all the time. Yes. Because I've never done it. So you kind of have to take a feel what they kind of like are hesitant about you kind of have to interpret what they do.

00:21:51:21 - 00:21:55:04

Luna

And then check in. But it sounds like you're checking in a lot. Yeah. Amazing.

00:21:55:05 - 00:21:57:08

Ava

I'm very experienced in kinky stuff.

00:21:57:10 - 00:22:05:12

Luna

Me okay. Do you find that you are, like, more submissive in either your personal or professional life or does it just is it all a mixture?

00:22:05:14 - 00:22:20:21

Ava

I mean, I love being submissive, it's hard. It's like a 7030 mix. So like they're going to dominate when I'm dancing. But like, honestly, submissive is kind of my favorite. Like, I like to be the little princess, you know? And so I'll be a little fuck to it.

00:22:20:23 - 00:22:24:15

Luna

Have you ever had anyone, like, dress you up like a princess? Yeah. You have.

00:22:24:15 - 00:22:32:00

Ava

I had multiple, like, they've made me boxes on and shit. So I show up and I'm like the princess from the. But, like the little Barbie in the box.

00:22:32:00 - 00:22:41:08

Luna

Oh my God, I go, he's a creep. If I go watch all her stuff. Oh no no, no. Enjoy yourself. Okay.

00:22:41:11 - 00:22:46:15

Ava

I'm scared of watching my friends. Is porn. Like, if I see them pop up because I'm like, I don't want to, I don't know.

00:22:46:15 - 00:22:49:08

Luna

Well, that's why I just check in with people because I'm like, is it is.

00:22:49:09 - 00:22:50:11

Ava

If you don't care what.

00:22:50:11 - 00:22:51:00

Luna

I think of my.

00:22:51:00 - 00:22:56:22

Ava

I think it's super cool because I've had friends like people when I meet them like porn stars and they're like, oh, I've got to do stuff. I'm so glad you got.

00:22:57:01 - 00:22:58:07

Luna

And I'm like,

00:22:58:09 - 00:22:59:07

Ava

Okay, flattered.

00:22:59:11 - 00:23:06:14

Luna

I love hearing that. That's also good. Like model for, human behavior. Our friend Jupiter Jetson also is like, yeah, watch it.

00:23:06:16 - 00:23:07:17

Ava

I love her. She's so.

00:23:07:17 - 00:23:16:20

Luna

Sweet. Yes. Okay, so tell us what do the boundaries between your personal and professional life look like? Like, how do you understand them? Are their lines?

00:23:16:22 - 00:23:19:02

Ava

Don't spit on my pussy.

00:23:19:04 - 00:23:22:05

Luna

Beautiful.

00:23:22:06 - 00:23:30:14

Ava

I have a sensitive like each level. I don't spit on it. Other than that, I'm like. I am very, very open minded. Like.

00:23:30:16 - 00:23:36:00

Luna

Okay, so even with your private personal partners, do you still have that rule?

00:23:36:02 - 00:23:47:20

Ava

No. I feel like people that I am more personal to, it's harder to get them to be more of an aggressive domme because they're like like me as a person. I want to take care of me, protect me. So it's harder to be like.

00:23:47:22 - 00:23:48:11

Luna

Rough in.

00:23:48:11 - 00:23:55:18

Ava

My personal life. But like, really? Yes. But you have no clue how many people I have, like, punch me in the face and they're like, I can't, I don't, I.

00:23:55:19 - 00:24:00:23

Luna

Don't know, are you okay? Yeah. Yeah. I definitely have encountered situations.

00:24:00:23 - 00:24:02:02

Ava

Where I'm like, no.

00:24:02:06 - 00:24:12:23

Luna

We become a little hard. Yeah, yeah. No. I'm like, please wait. No, this is the foundation. Where'd it go? Okay, interesting. So it sounds like you personally enjoy your work. Like, it's like there's a lot of.

00:24:12:23 - 00:24:21:20

Ava

I was corny before I got on set. I watched porn my whole life. I used to watch, like, dungeon videos, and I'm like, oh, my God, I hope one day this happened to me.

00:24:21:20 - 00:24:27:10

Luna

Okay. Is there anything specific that you're, like, learning or working on or calling in for a next step?

00:24:27:12 - 00:24:43:21

Ava

I want to shoot more kinky content. I was just an agency for a while. Like, a booking agency. Modeling agency. And they booked me. That was amazing. They're super great. But I just kept getting booked for, like, very girl next door. Like, I was always a step, which you can understand. I was always a step sister.

00:24:44:00 - 00:24:48:15

Ava

Yeah. Or I was actually, I've done a lot of Christian porn, so also. Yeah, like I've been.

00:24:48:15 - 00:24:49:02

Luna

In it or.

00:24:49:02 - 00:24:51:09

Ava

You're like, I. Yeah, I've done Bible studies.

00:24:51:09 - 00:24:58:15

Luna

Have you been a Mary I could see was a Mary with a little baby Jesus. Did not Joseph.

00:24:58:17 - 00:25:02:00

Ava

Don't speak into existence because she always books me for religious.

00:25:02:00 - 00:25:05:03

Luna

Stuff. Ooh. I mean, do like it or it not so much.

00:25:05:06 - 00:25:10:06

Ava

I, I love it because I am actually a Christian, and I think Jesus is like, really cool. I don't think I.

00:25:10:06 - 00:25:12:16

Luna

Think Jesus sounds like Jesus was down.

00:25:12:16 - 00:25:16:11

Ava

Yeah, yeah. You may want to know why I tell him no. Yeah. This man was chill.

00:25:16:11 - 00:25:17:18

Luna

It was quite a thing. He was like.

00:25:18:00 - 00:25:18:06

Ava

Like.

00:25:18:07 - 00:25:27:19

Luna

It's it's kind of funny. Okay. Yeah, I think so too. So has your professional sex life. I assume it's influenced your personal sex life?

00:25:27:21 - 00:25:42:18

Ava

No, I think it's the other way around. My my personal sex life influences my point on life. How? Because I get to do stuff that I want to do in porn. That's a little bit like, hard to get the people that I'd like to consent to.

00:25:42:20 - 00:25:49:04

Luna

Well, not that hard to tell me, but I got it. Well, I don't want to have to try too hard. I want to kind of just like, talk about it once.

00:25:49:05 - 00:25:57:23

Ava

Then obviously I can't stand when people are enjoying themselves. It's like the vibe. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, yeah. But hard to find. People are like, oh, you're my friend. But also I would love to position you for.

00:25:58:04 - 00:26:06:19

Luna

Well, okay. So on that note, what is the communication like? Like how do those conversations become initiated. How do you like like what sort of invitations do I receive.

00:26:06:21 - 00:26:21:04

Ava

Like calm, comfortable person. Like, yeah, I love sex. It's like a normal thing to me, you know? So I'm very easy talking to people and I'd be like, oh, so tell me what are your boundaries? What do you like? What you don't like? What are you, little. What are you not comfortable with?

00:26:21:06 - 00:26:28:00

Luna

So doing independent stuff, are you reaching out to other people and or are they reaching out to you? Like, what is that conversation like?

00:26:28:02 - 00:26:39:09

Ava

I honestly usually work with people I've worked with before. I like to be friends of just because I'm really nasty. And if you're like, well, if you're shooting vanilla content, you can be my friend. But that's I don't want to shoot that. That's, you know.

00:26:39:14 - 00:26:40:02

Luna

Yeah.

00:26:40:04 - 00:26:46:04

Ava

So, I like to meet them, get to know them, like, see our comfort level, see what we have in common. And then I like to shoot with them.

00:26:46:06 - 00:26:49:20

Luna

Okay, cool. So you find that overlap and then know if it's there.

00:26:49:22 - 00:27:00:10

Ava

Yes. Okay. Well, because I realized, like I joined porn to, like, be fucking disgusting. Like I wanted to do some, like, awful things that I can't like, you can't do this. And normal people, they'd be like, what?

00:27:00:11 - 00:27:01:04

Luna

Fuck yeah.

00:27:01:04 - 00:27:13:10

Ava

And so I joined porn for that. Like I love Horror point. I love like, clowns are my thing. I fucking love clown. Like scarier the better. Like, I want to be in a princess outfit and fucked by clown hasn't happened yet. Well, one day.

00:27:13:11 - 00:27:15:18

Luna

It definitely could be in your future.

00:27:15:20 - 00:27:17:15

Ava

Speaking into existence.

00:27:17:17 - 00:27:37:09

Luna

I love that. Okay, so through the course of your work, it sounds like you have a sense that you are comparatively nastier with air quotes, for lack of a better way to say it than other people. Are there other social like norms that you have noticed just from doing this work? Like what have you discovered about the world and sex through your work?

00:27:37:09 - 00:27:43:21

Ava

Let's see. A lot more men are and being having their buttholes played with a lot more than.

00:27:43:21 - 00:27:44:16

Luna

The like the social.

00:27:44:17 - 00:27:49:19

Ava

Yeah, yeah. Like, no, they all pretend like, oh, that's gay that I never do that too. That they all.

00:27:49:19 - 00:27:58:00

Luna

And they love assholes and they love my ass. And they love to celebrate my asshole with me too. And I'm like, yes, thank you. Okay, so how did you.

00:27:58:04 - 00:28:08:12

Ava

I swear to God, the most, the most, like, frat boy at the club, like, at the bar, right. Like, oh, it's awful gay. It's the girl. They love it. They love their essay.

00:28:08:14 - 00:28:11:07

Luna

I love it.

00:28:11:09 - 00:28:23:17

Ava

I was with this one. Like, he wasn't, like, homophobic, obviously. Yeah, he was like a frat boy, right? And he like ups like a finger. His asshole. Like, lick it for, like, more than sucking dick. And he, like, loved it. And I loved it, too.

00:28:23:19 - 00:28:35:19

Luna

You. Yeah. I mean, yes, I mean, I love dirty partners. What's the dirtiest thing you've done? Like, by your own standards for work on camera. Oh, or work at all, even if it's with a private client.

00:28:35:19 - 00:28:55:16

Ava

Okay, one time I this was someone I did shoot with, but then an hour after shooting, you know, we. Yeah, we had the vibe. The vibe was connecting. You know, we're vibing. And so this is my first time, and I drank because, like, pee. And I was, like, very fun. I never, really, never really done it. And it was like I had just started with trying something.

00:28:55:16 - 00:28:57:20

Ava

My butt. Yeah. Because I was actually working for you.

00:28:57:21 - 00:29:01:02

Luna

But I also, I have drank it, but I haven't done the butt.

00:29:01:04 - 00:29:15:23

Ava

So I was just like it was. It was kind of like the same way I thought of like before I started porn, where it was like taboo. It wasn't like something. Yeah, it's like a sexual. It's something I really think about, you know? Yeah. So I do a lot more sex. I do a lot more things. I'm like, you know what?

00:29:15:23 - 00:29:23:17

Ava

This might be fun. Actually, I might be a do this. I mean, drink glass squirt in my life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a same difference. It really is.

00:29:23:18 - 00:29:25:17

Luna

What was it in your butt, like, was peeing about.

00:29:25:17 - 00:29:30:13

Ava

Like, amazing. It was like, a warm enema. Like, imagine, like you're on a beach.

00:29:30:13 - 00:29:32:08

Luna

But that's exactly what I imagine.

00:29:32:10 - 00:29:34:00

Ava

Telling you,

00:29:34:01 - 00:29:35:09

Luna

Oh, I would, I.

00:29:35:09 - 00:29:39:14

Ava

Love it again. They didn't put that. They didn't. It wasn't in the edit. It wasn't in the finished thing.

00:29:39:14 - 00:29:46:09

Luna

Really? Do you need to have a certain type of connection with a partnership for that to be enjoyable, or is it sort of like as long as they're willing and kind.

00:29:46:14 - 00:29:55:04

Ava

If you want to, if you want to, and this is what you want, I like it because you're having a good time, like I, I'm a giver. I really like that. That turns me.

00:29:55:04 - 00:29:56:17

Luna

On. I have a few desire.

00:29:56:17 - 00:30:00:00

Ava

If you don't want to do it, I'm not I can't hold no.

00:30:00:00 - 00:30:01:09

Luna

Yeah. I really like some people.

00:30:01:09 - 00:30:08:10

Ava

Like, just do porn for money and then they'll show up on set and I like and I, they like just are there for a reason. I'm like I don't want to.

00:30:08:10 - 00:30:18:11

Luna

Do you. Yeah. That's that's exactly my main fear is that people are just doing it. I'm like, but no, but I do this in my art. And even if you're not like and my love.

00:30:18:15 - 00:30:20:22

Ava

It can be a fun experience. And then you go home.

00:30:20:22 - 00:30:35:22

Luna

Yeah, we're here to play. We're not falling in love, like. But like, let's have a good time and let's co-create something like. Let's have a really good time. Go. Yeah. Ooh, I love it. Okay, so are there any sex related norms in the world that you would like to just see shifted?

00:30:36:00 - 00:30:47:16

Ava

All of them. Yeah. Just tell us. I think crime is caused by, like, a lot of sexual repression. A lot of people are very angry. A lot of people have a they're told that the masturbating is wrong.

00:30:47:17 - 00:30:48:23

Luna

Yeah, they're bad and wrong.

00:30:49:05 - 00:31:05:11

Ava

Like be having these thoughts is wrong. So they have all this repressed feelings, these repressed anger and rage and that call I honestly believe that causes a lot of public shootings and a lot of the anger and a lot of like the rapists, because they're told this is wrong instead of like, going and paying for sex. Yeah, they feel like they can't get it.

00:31:05:11 - 00:31:06:11

Ava

They have to take it.

00:31:06:13 - 00:31:08:09

Luna

How do you like working at a brothel?

00:31:08:11 - 00:31:10:14

Ava

I absolutely love it.

00:31:10:14 - 00:31:12:12

Luna

Yeah. What do you love the most?

00:31:12:14 - 00:31:29:21

Ava

I feel like I get to perform in my very best version of myself. Because I get to wake up. I'm already there. I eat breakfast and I'm ready. Relax. I'm in my own space. I designed my room, so it's a very comfortable space for me. And then. So after I leave, I can go to drink my water, relax in my space.

00:31:29:22 - 00:31:36:03

Ava

It's a very calming environment versus like flying somewhere. Yeah. Shooting and then flying back. Yeah.

00:31:36:05 - 00:31:41:00

Luna

But also I bet you get to shoot in some really pretty places I have.

00:31:41:00 - 00:31:48:01

Ava

Yeah. I shot this one place in Arizona. Right. They had a waterfall, water slide and then a lazy river on a golf course.

00:31:48:02 - 00:31:52:07

Luna

Did you get to fuck in a waterfall? No, no, I want to do that. Did you get the fuck on the waterslide?

00:31:52:09 - 00:31:54:12

Ava

I don't know, to play Uno, but I shoot.

00:31:54:17 - 00:31:57:14

Luna

Oh, a photo shoot. Okay.

00:31:57:16 - 00:32:10:17

Ava

And. Okay. So I was like, beautiful, amazing. And then at the end of the night, right? I'm like, I was really myself. And the photographer looks at me and she's like, this isn't the house. Is this the guest house? That's the house on the other side of the golf course.

00:32:10:22 - 00:32:14:14

Luna

Oh, did you get to go to the big house?

00:32:14:16 - 00:32:16:20

Ava

I didn't even know it was bent over leaving.

00:32:16:20 - 00:32:23:05

Luna

Oh, my God, I thought that was the big. Let's go back there. Dude, all those people. No.

00:32:23:07 - 00:32:25:22

Ava

It was her friend. It was her friend's house.

00:32:26:02 - 00:32:31:00

Luna

Okay, just going to throw this out there. Anyone with a super nice house, I will film.

00:32:31:02 - 00:32:32:08

Ava

I will get naked there.

00:32:32:08 - 00:32:33:10

Luna

Invite us. I will get.

00:32:33:10 - 00:32:33:20

Ava

Naked.

00:32:33:20 - 00:32:51:19

Luna

Yeah, and I'll make beautiful photos. Okay. So tell us now, since you began this line of work, adult industry, everything, have you noticed any, like, broader shifts over the course of the years that you've been a professional, like in the sex culture, in your work culture, in, like, just what have you?

00:32:51:22 - 00:33:12:05

Ava

Everything is what you curate. You allow what you're comfortable with, you make your boundaries. You accept who you accept. There is always going to be good people. There's always going to be bad people. So it's always going to be a up to you if you're comfortable saying no. Yeah, so it's always going to be I've always had a great experience.

00:33:12:05 - 00:33:25:14

Ava

I've always been comfortable. I've always loved what I do because I know when to say no here. Lie backs, variances and people are like, oh yeah, they asked me to do this and I did it. I know you should. You need to. And it's not their fault, but people need to know when to say no, not.

00:33:25:14 - 00:33:32:00

Luna

Victim blaming, but rather not bring people who say you have to. Let's normalize boundaries.

00:33:32:00 - 00:33:37:16

Ava

That's why I tell people not to join porn when they first start having some sex in person to know what you're comfortable. That's what.

00:33:37:16 - 00:33:44:15

Luna

You meant. Me and you were like, that girl got boundaries a little bit more now. Yeah. No, yes I am.

00:33:44:17 - 00:33:55:10

Ava

Well I do, I feel like you're confident person. You know when to say no, because I feel like that's all the porn horror stories I've heard is someone that didn't know that even if they did know, they didn't feel comfortable to say no.

00:33:55:10 - 00:34:10:14

Luna

Yes. It took me a long time to figure out that the reason people have randomly gotten mad at me my whole life is because oftentimes I'll be like, excuse me. No, no, no, what are you doing here? And then they're like, yeah. And and so it's like, that is now my will do whatever.

00:34:10:14 - 00:34:13:16

Ava

Like you can people push your boundaries if you don't have boundaries. Yeah.

00:34:13:18 - 00:34:23:16

Luna

Yeah. And now I'm learning how to just have a higher opinion of myself and value which it sounds like you have had a really solid sense of like, here's what I bring to the table.

00:34:23:20 - 00:34:40:14

Ava

No, I'm very close to my dad. And so I feel like I had that good relationship going up with not just my dad, my mom too. And so like, I don't think I'm perfect, but I do have that, like self-esteem where I'm like, you will not do this. You will, because I don't do anything to other people. I always treat people respect.

00:34:40:14 - 00:34:49:23

Ava

Honestly, if I'm going out and they're having a bad day and kind of rude to me an extra night, so I have a better day. Beautiful. And so I'm a very sweet person, so I, I receive that, but I'm just.

00:34:49:23 - 00:34:59:23

Luna

The love her I love her, I love that. Okay, so tell us now, what would you like to celebrate most about your work? Like what are you just like, fuck yeah, go me.

00:35:00:01 - 00:35:05:13

Ava

Honestly, I, I want to start producing more and shooting more on my own. I really love what I do.

00:35:05:14 - 00:35:06:14

Luna

I.

00:35:06:16 - 00:35:13:20

Ava

I when you shoot with studios, you have like compliancy ratio, like, oh, don't do this, don't do that.

00:35:13:22 - 00:35:20:06

Luna

What kind of princess do you want to be? For the first time you get fucked by a clown. It's princess, right?

00:35:20:06 - 00:35:32:17

Ava

Any any kind of victim? No. Any kind of victim. Like maybe. Like maybe like a kidnaped. Like I am into, like, hardcore porn, like I. This is my dream since I was like, yeah, okay. Actually, would you like to hear the start of it?

00:35:32:19 - 00:35:33:13

Luna

Yes.

00:35:33:15 - 00:35:49:14

Ava

Please. When I was about four, three years, I goes way back. My grandma, she worked like 20 hour shifts. She's a nurse. Should do like double shifts. Right. So she came home in the middle of the night. I'm sitting there in my, like, little crib kind of thing. Right. And she turns on the TV and she goes to bed.

00:35:49:16 - 00:36:04:17

Ava

It's. I'm in the dark watching it. And so most people are like, this is traumatizing. I'm so scared. I in my mind, I'm like, I want to fuck. Yeah. Wow. So like, if you've seen House of Thousand Corpse, no. Oh.

00:36:04:19 - 00:36:05:08

Luna

I watch it.

00:36:05:08 - 00:36:08:18

Ava

Oh, sure. It's directed by Rob zombie. It's super weird. It's my favorite.

00:36:08:18 - 00:36:11:05

Luna

Oh, okay. I'll put on the.

00:36:11:07 - 00:36:24:20

Ava

And so I, I've always really been I was one time booked for, fucking clown shit. Right. The man showed up on set and he was like, I'm allergic to latex. I can't wear a mask. No offense.

00:36:24:20 - 00:36:30:09

Luna

So close. Have you been getting edge by clown stuff? But it's in your near future.

00:36:30:10 - 00:36:33:23

Ava

There's a clown like a horror clown motel I really want to go to, like.

00:36:34:00 - 00:36:34:11

Luna

A hundred.

00:36:34:11 - 00:36:35:10

Ava

Miles outside Vegas.

00:36:35:11 - 00:36:38:23

Luna

Oh, my gosh, I can't wait. I would like to know when you do, I don't.

00:36:39:01 - 00:36:40:00

Ava

I'd be down to go.

00:36:40:01 - 00:36:54:02

Luna

Okay, I was going to say I might overcome my clown fear. I watched Brave Little Toaster a lot when I was a kid. Did you ever watch that one? Yeah. Okay, so there's this, like, bad dream, and there's, like, fire and clowns. And so ever since I was little, I was, like, scared of fire. People. Yeah, the clown, the.

00:36:54:02 - 00:36:56:15

Luna

But what's your what's your, like, ideal dream. What's your dream?

00:36:56:16 - 00:37:02:04

Ava

I watched some porno like Gloria. I want it to be like fucking killer clown.

00:37:02:06 - 00:37:05:12

Luna

Clown, zombie. No. Would you do a clown?

00:37:05:16 - 00:37:06:01

Ava

I would.

00:37:06:01 - 00:37:11:05

Luna

Dabbing I. What have you done in gaming?

00:37:11:07 - 00:37:20:22

Ava

I have the hardest life. And thank you for bringing that up. No I haven't, I haven't got to do a gangbang and I've been bitching. If you've ever, like, listen to me talk on interviews, you know, fucking want a gangbang.

00:37:21:00 - 00:37:23:22

Luna

We need to get Ava a gangbang. Okay, maybe.

00:37:23:22 - 00:37:27:08

Ava

So I just got. I'm getting a bull face. I'm gangbang a bull.

00:37:27:10 - 00:37:33:12

Luna

No way. No, it just divine timing. It's happening. What else besides gang bangs and clown?

00:37:33:12 - 00:37:36:03

Ava

Probably because I can't, like, fit you in my pussy yet.

00:37:36:03 - 00:37:49:12

Luna

But only at that time. I mean, also, that's very exciting to turn into a journey like we could now go along the journey of, like, let's make it was pussy ready for two cocks like, that's hot. I would watch.

00:37:49:14 - 00:38:03:20

Ava

I. Okay, so I've told people this before I started porn. I was like very like, I'm, I'm a cool girl because, like, my pussy was so tight, right? Like, oh, so tight. And I, I joined porn and I'm like, damn, I want to get more things in here.

00:38:03:22 - 00:38:06:06

Luna

I just, I have so many insertion fantasies, I.

00:38:06:07 - 00:38:16:02

Ava

And all I want is to be fit. I have tried so hard. Me and this one milf we were sitting there and she's like a little girl too, so she's like small hands. And we're sitting there and like child.

00:38:16:02 - 00:38:19:03

Luna

And that's what I want to do it. Yeah.

00:38:19:05 - 00:38:21:22

Ava

She's like, you do fat and I'm like, fucking,

00:38:22:00 - 00:38:22:16

Luna

Okay.

00:38:22:19 - 00:38:23:06

Ava

But it will.

00:38:23:06 - 00:38:30:21

Luna

Happen. It will. What else? Anything else notable on your horizon? Like any other must haves in the near future, I should time.

00:38:30:23 - 00:38:45:05

Ava

Everything I want to do, like gang gangbang, a lot more point. I really want to, like, produce Dracula. I love, like, creepy, like imagine, like, have you seen that one company? God, they shoot like, Eastern European, like horror porn?

00:38:45:05 - 00:38:55:17

Luna

No. Well, so, no, I'm now researching porn, but I'm, like, so systematic because I can't just, like, start with one thing. I'm like, let me make a giant library and then work my way through. So I will add that to my list.

00:38:55:17 - 00:39:05:11

Ava

Honestly, you should watch it because it's cinematic, it's beautiful. It's got there's like an incest family, but they're like redneck in the middle of nowhere and horror houses. No, like lights, windows. Yeah. Very fucking awesome.

00:39:05:11 - 00:39:15:18

Luna

Amazing I can't wait. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Okay, tell us if you could wave a magic wand and teach everyone in the world something about sex, what would it be?

00:39:15:20 - 00:39:18:08

Ava

The more you give, the more you get.