193 | Hotwife Vixen Swinger: Casey Donatello on Woo
- Luna Robbie
- Nov 4, 2022
- 53 min read
Updated: Jul 2
40 straight cis femme Hotwife Vixen, erotic writer, adult content creator.
🔗 CASEY LINKS | @inbedwithstrangers.official / OF / amazon author page
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Luna
Our guest today is a 40 year old straight system who is married to a man she met in a kinky threesome with two dudes. She was a hot white vixen with a fetish for double vaginal penetration. She is into playing with multiple cocks, has a cum fetish, and loves sensory play, including hot wax. An erotic writer and adult content creator from New York.
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Luna
Welcome, Casey. Donatello.
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Casey
Hi. Thank you so much for having me. Very excited to be here.
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Luna
Oh, we're excited to have you here. Could you please start off by telling us if you had to rate yourself on a sexual shame, a meter with ten being the most full of shame and one being not so shaming? Where do you feel today.
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Casey
Today at this point? Negative.
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Luna
Great. When does it go up or down or like is it usually negative?
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Casey
I would say at this point in my life, yes. Going back to the beginning of my sexual journey, probably a 15. So I've done, you know, from one extreme to the other, but finally I'm very secure and confident with my sexual choices. You know, now that I'm 40, I'm married and just very confident in you know, embracing my inner slut and being as openly, sexually free and wild as I want with, you know, no apologies anymore.
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Luna
I fucking love that. And I can't wait to fill in all the details. But first, give us a little snapshot overview of what your sex life is like right now and your favorite parts.
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Casey
Well, right now my husband and I, we are in the swinging lifestyle. And as you said, I'm a hot wife vixen. Which for us, that means that I'm allowed to play with other men. My husband is always with me when I play. I do not go out on my own and that is my choice. He's given me the option.
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Casey
But there's something so hot about him being there that I'm not turned on if he's not there. And so we play with, you know, all types of guys. It could be threesomes, it could be group stuff where we have, you know, 4 or 5 guys. And I've had my OnlyFans page for just under two months now. So that's added this whole new chapter of kinky for us because we're not used to filming ourselves.
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Casey
And I'm a huge exhibitionist. I always have been. You know, that's why he likes seeing me with other guys. But there's something funny about filming it that really, really turns him on while we're filming.
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Luna
Amazing.
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Casey
Yeah, we didn't expect that part, because in the very beginning, you know, filming yourself kind of is a little bulky and awkward because you don't want it to take away from the playtime that you're having. But you really want it to look good for the audience. And a big part of my page is that everything is authentic and real.
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Casey
You're watching real footage all the time. We're not scripting porn. You're just invited to, you know, be a guest watching our dates, our personal time. So it got to the point where, you know, in the beginning we would forget to film stuff. We would forget to hit record and stuff. And then little by little, it turned into we'd be having our own, like, our night off from filming.
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Casey
And it would be like, wait, this is super hot, we should film this, you know? And my husband, I'm always catching him watching us in the camera instead of watching me, like, live in front of him. So that's hilarious. I've become his personal porn star, and we never imagined it would be this hot. Yeah. You know, like, for us.
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Casey
Totally. Our sex life is really great and kinky on its own. But now that we're filming content, you know, I want to have content that is a wide variety. I don't want to be filming the same stuff all the time. And we like a ton of stuff. So, you know, when you're with someone, sometimes one fetish falls to the back because you're doing something else all the time.
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Casey
So it's made me really sit down and say, oh, we haven't done this in a while, or we haven't tried this yet. So it's pushing us to get even wilder together, which is really fun. So it's been a cool like a bonding experience for us, you know?
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Luna
Yeah. I'm so happy to hear that. Also, because I've been going through systematically creating my own bucket list, and my intention is to document all of it. And because I just filled my first thing with an OnlyFans, be like actually finally doing something because with my former Dom, I totally know what you mean about all the hot stuff being like, oh, this is so hot!
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Luna
And he teased me a lot about like making stuff that we would share with other people, but never, you know, we never followed through on it. So like to do that, I'm I'm hearing about your experience. That's extremely, extremely inspiring. Okay. Now, would you please tell us what is sexy to you? What's your personal definition?
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Casey
Well, that's a tough question because that could be so many different things. Okay. Okay. Things I find sexy. I don't know if this is going to answer the question the right way or not.
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Luna
There's no right way.
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Casey
Okay. I totally a lingerie person. I'm not into, like, makeup or heels or anything like that, but just lingerie. I can't get enough of it. Sexy. I think as far as guys and partners is, number one is always confidence. And I would say open mind and like willing to try new things and not, you know, the best partners or the partners that you can have something go wrong and something really embarrassing happened while you're trying to do something kinky.
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Casey
And it doesn't ruin the mood, right? It just makes you a little bit closer. And maybe you take that, you know, that messed up situation and something good comes from it. Or you learn you hate something, but a partner that you don't have to be embarrassed in front of no matter what happens, I think is the sexiest thing.
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Luna
Totally. Safety is so sexy. When do you feel sexiest?
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Casey
Oh, when I'm in the middle of a group of, like, men or anything with multiple guys.
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Luna
What's the most guys you've ever been with?
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Casey
So when I used to host my own, like, private things, I think like 7 or 8, like, I'm in a hotel with me that I invited. But if I went to a club, it could vary. It could be, you know, 10 or 12, depending on the night. So somewhere around there. But generally nowadays we usually do like 3 or 4 at a time is a nice number.
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Casey
Okay.
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Luna
And now what counts as sex for you.
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Casey
Yeah. I mean I think oral sex could count. But when I hear the word sex I immediately just like think about like getting fucked so hard and it's just like some intense crazy scenario. Yeah. If we're talking about cheating then oral sex would count as something. But if we're talking about sex and penetration, like literal, like scientific definition.
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Luna
Oh, I love that. So now can you tell us, did you ever get an explicit health and safety talk or lesson on consent when you were growing up?
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Casey
I was raised Catholic, and I just remember, you know, in school, growing up where premarital sex is wrong, you know, fooling around, even like porn is wrong. You know, everything is a sin. You're not allowed to do anything fun. I don't remember my parents having, like, the puberty, sex, you know, safe sex talk or anything, but I just grew up in an environment, I think, mostly from school and stuff, where I was like, oh, sex is bad.
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Casey
Sex is not like, you know, okay, to be exploring and stuff. So when all my friends were, you know, starting to play with guys and give blowjobs and stuff like that, I was so nervous about, like becoming like the town whore that I kind of just I made out with a lot of guys, and I kind of stopped there just because I was so nervous about getting this bad reputation that I thought, you know, would ruin the rest of my life.
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Casey
And you look at me now and, you know, I'm embracing it.
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Luna
I was gonna say you've claimed it.
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Casey
Oh, yeah. It's been a long and bumpy road, but I've managed to break that cycle of, like, guilt and shame about being a sexual female. Oh.
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Luna
Okay. So as an adult, could you give us an example of a time where you set a very clear yes to something that led to an awesome, sexy experience?
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Casey
I don't know if this was the sexiest moment per se, but it was a very defining moment for me. So I was in the lifestyle in my early 20s and so like the swinging lifestyle. And I had been, you know, playing with couples and single guys and stuff. And then there's one guy that I knew offered to have a threesome with me and his friend, another male.
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Casey
And I remember I was still fairly new to the lifestyle, so I wasn't, you know, completely sheltered, but hadn't tried everything yet. And I never really thought about having two guys at the same time. It wasn't something not to sound naive like. I didn't realize that was an option for me. You know.
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Luna
I didn't for a while.
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Casey
I never watched porn in my life. Even to this day I don't watch porn, so I didn't really know when he offered that to me. I was like, Holy shit. Like, I can do that, you know? And it was a long story, but the short of it is, he called me. He said, I have this friend, we'll have a threesome.
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Casey
I said, okay, so what do you want to do this? Because normally, you know, you plan stuff in advance. And he goes, we could be there in an hour. And I said, oh, okay. I was like, that sounds great. You know, I hang up the phone and then I just start, like losing my mind in my apartment because I'm like, I don't know what to do, how to do it, where to put stuff.
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Casey
You know, my mind was just going crazy, but it was something that was so intriguing that I had to say yes. So I called one of my other friends and I asked him, I said, you know, what do I do with two dicks at the same time? Like I have no clue. So he gave me a few pointers, like a few positions, and I felt, you know, a little more mentally prepared to do this because I always attack things in, I don't want to say like a business, like way, but because I am a literal and like a logical person, I like to understand certain things and I want things to be as efficient.
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Casey
And you know, I want to set myself up for success. Totally. So I treat it like anything else. So I go on this date to the hotel. It was a motel, actually, with these two guys, and we had fun. But, you know, because I'm an extreme person, I thought, this is going to be just like total insanity with the two of them.
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Casey
But it turned out more where they just kind of took turns fucking me. Oh. So then I was like, oh, I was like, that's it. Like, that's all I get out of this. And I remember they both came really fast and I was just left like, I was like, guys like, what is this? Do we need to have like more guys here or something?
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Casey
And that was the moment where everything kind of changed. So at the end of the night I go, that was fun. But in my head I was like, no, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Like, there's so much more to find out about this and so many more levels of interacting with multiple guys that like this is my focus now.
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Casey
And then. I just kind of literally dedicated my sexual journey to revolve around multiple guys. You know, in the beginning, like I said, I met couples, male, female couples because I just thought that's what you did. I didn't know, right? You go on the website, that's what's there. It was more interesting than being vanilla, and it was fun for a little while, but it was never really like my true fantasy.
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Casey
Yeah, it was fun, but I like I never felt like, oh, this is exactly where I'm supposed to be. Then I was like, oh, okay, this is what Casey needs to be doing with her life. You know, this is what she was meant to find. And then from there, I started, you know, having more threesomes and stuff. And then that's when I discovered DV.
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Casey
I asked another friend of mine, you know, I said, oh, my God, I've been hearing about this thing called DV. I don't really know what it is or how it works. And I can't believe that a girl could really put two cocks in her pussy. But yeah, I kind of need to try this and see if I can do it.
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Casey
It's weird. I'm a very self competitive person, right? Like I don't need to compete against other people necessarily, but within myself, I need to always try the most difficult thing I can think of, or always take it one step further, you know, and push things. So I called on my friends and I said, hey, you know, somebody that we could get to try this because, you know, DV right?
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Casey
So it's double vaginal. So it's a little different than DP. With DP you have that little buffer, right? Yeah. Once you ask someone's in your pussy. So guys think oh that's that's perfectly straight to do. There's nothing weird about it. But now you ask them to go both inside your pussy. It's like, oh my God, the end of the world.
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Casey
You know? So a lot of guys will say, absolutely not. I'm not going to say what they say, but, you know, they're scared about doing it. They think it's going to like, tarnish their image or something. And then you find these other guys that even though they identify as straight, though, like I have absolutely no problem doing it, it's super hot.
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Casey
It feels amazing. You know, the girl is involved. So there's no problem. And I was having trouble finding it. So then I asked my friend and he brought another guy and they had done it previously together. So it's always nice to have guys who always recommend other guys for the job. It's really funny and we had a great time.
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Casey
And then once I felt that I was like, oh my God, okay, now not only this case, you want multiple guys, but she wants DV every time she plays. Oh, so that became my ultimate, ultimate fetish. And that is the one thing that I seek out more than anything else. It's become to the point where I used to say when we met guys like nice if you're into it, and now it's a requirement, if you're not willing to try it, then we're not meeting you.
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Casey
So that's one of our like non-negotiables.
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Luna
I love that I'd like to actually just get into details since you kind of told us the formative story of that right there. And I know jumping ahead a little bit, but I want to just hear, like the first time you like, did you stretch leading up to it? Do you need cocks of a certain size, like does one go in first and then the other one like so?
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Luna
This is something I'm very curious about and it is on my bucket list. I have not researched it yet.
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Casey
So tell us okay, so as far as from my experience, I know two different ways to do it. The most common way is one guy lays down and then the girl sits on top of him. Think about like mission, almost like missionary, right? And then she leans forward and the other guy comes in from behind.
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Luna
Okay, okay. That was one of my ideas. Okay.
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Casey
The other way is the girl sits reverse cowgirl. So now she's facing not the guy that's laying down. I could face either position. Facing the guy that's laying on his back is the more common one. It's a little easier. Okay. And as far as the dick size and stuff goes, not everybody is built for DV, I found. Yeah.
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Casey
And sometimes they work better in one of the positions than the other. Some guys can be in either position, so sometimes it takes it's like a little puzzle. And the other thing is you need guys that you know can stay hard for this. A lot of guys say they want to do it, but when it comes down to it and like the pressure is on and there's another cock right next to them, they just go soft.
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Casey
You cannot have movie with a soft paint like that is not going to work. Yeah. It's like one comes out, one goes at like it's it's a hot mess. So you need guys that are like really like into what they're doing and can perform really well. They don't have to be, you know, massive cocks. But they also can't be like super small, you know, and then obviously I don't know what other girls have experienced because I only have my own body.
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Casey
So that's how it works for me. I don't know if, you know, other girls would give you a different opinion, but we've had nights where like it just does not work because the combination of guys is not working. But I've never had a situation where like they did not fit, even if they were really big guys and I've never given birth or anything.
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Casey
And it's funny because when I first started having DV, I was afraid to do it all the time, but I said I would do it and then I'm like, oh my God, am I stretched out, you know, can people tell? And then I'd have sex with like one guy and I'm like, do I still feel tight? I was so paranoid because people told me, oh, you're going to get stretched out, you're going to ruin your, you know.
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Casey
Yeah, yeah. And let me tell you, after years of doing it, I think I'm even tighter than ever. I think it actually makes your muscles like, work out. Yeah. And when I have sex with just my husband, I am just as tight as if there's two guys. Like it has not affected my body in a negative way at all.
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Luna
Fuck yeah. Okay, one more detail. Question though. Do you move at all in this or are they moving? Like how does the motion work.
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Casey
It could go down several ways. So we're going traditional right where I'm facing the guy laying down the back guy is primarily doing most of the work, right. You call the bottom guy the anchor. So the back guy is, you know, just fucking you. And then I can also like, grind on the guy that's laying down if I wanted to.
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Casey
Sometimes it's all happening at once or sometimes you're kind of taking turns. But I mean, you guys are like all sandwiched completely, completely together, you know what I mean? So you have to be really comfortable with the people that you're with.
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Luna
Can you articulate what you like about it so much?
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Casey
The sensation it's so hard to put into words like you feel when the second person enters you. I think that is the part that really, really turns me on the most. Like when you feel them stretching inside of you and like slipping in. And then, I don't know, I think it just seems so kinky. The idea of two people being inside you at one time, the fact that both guys are willing to do this for you, you know, the whole thing.
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Casey
And like all the bodies are intertwined and everybody feels everything. To me, it's the closest, you know, because sometimes as a girl like, oh, I wish, I wish I knew what it felt like to have a penis or guys like, I wish I understood what it felt like for you to get fucked and I mean, I guess it's not exactly the same thing, but to me, in my head, it kind of feels like this is the closest both sexes will ever be to understanding what something feels like on the other person's body.
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Casey
Hot. But I think it's the closeness of everything, and there really is like, no barrier, you know what I mean? It's just so hot and kinky and, you know, when we play with people, we are very safe. We always use condoms and stuff. There have been a few instances in the past, but guys we really knew and trusted and stuff where it was raw DV and they both commonly, oh my God, just forget that, you know, like a double cream pie at the same time.
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Casey
And then it's just not to be gross. But yeah.
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Luna
No that's not gross at all. Here. That's so hot.
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Casey
That's not for everybody. But that is super, super hot. But again, because of safety reasons we don't get to do that a lot. But a lot of times with certain guys that are cool with it because, you know, some guys will have DV, but then they don't want your husband coming inside you while they're in you, right? That could be a limit.
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Casey
They have. And some guys are like, no, go for it. Tell your husband to come with me. So sometimes we'll do like he'll come in me with the other guy inside me. That's pretty hot. So there's a lot of different variations and it just depends the people that you're with, what everybody's comfort level is, you know? So even though we have DV all the time, it's a different situation every time.
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Casey
You know, totally everything you do, even though you're repeating it, it turns out different every time. And that's what makes it extra exciting.
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Luna
Oh yeah, it's different configurations. And that's why I enjoy having sex with so many different people, is because every single energy is different. Every single body is different. I'm different every day. And then, like you said, all those combinations. I also appreciate you for fronting health and safety. What do health and safety conversations look like for you? Do you initiate them?
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Luna
Do you wish someone else initiated? Like what would a perfect one look like for you?
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Casey
So we are very proactive about that in any of our profiles. There's a whole disclaimer I'm very allergic to latex. Like super, super. I'll end up in a hospital. So we make sure we have a huge paragraph about that. And then anybody we meet remind them, we tell them again. And now we always have them with us just in case like non latex condoms because you get these guys not often but some of them will come like oh I forgot the condoms.
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Casey
Oh I forgot I, I get this one all the time. Apparently half the pharmacies in the world don't sell latex condoms. And I'm like, guys, they sell them like at every single store. They're not hard to find, but they try to, like, get one over on you. So that's always a red flag to me. And it makes me not want to play with someone.
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Casey
If you're going to try to be shady about it. But now, recently, we've just been buying them in bulk and we've just been providing them. We have to be really careful. Because of my allergy, my husband has to like, check everybody's condoms to make sure that they are, in fact, because one time a latex condom got mixed into something and it did not go well for me.
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Casey
So, you know, I feel like if I'm going to be the sexual woman, I need to take some responsibility. And I have no problem taking responsibility for, especially because I can end up in a hospital. Right? Absolutely. So that's not fun for anybody. And accidents do happen. So now we just put it out there and you know, we remind guys nonstop.
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Casey
And I will say this too, that I learned over the years when I was single, which blew my mind that some guys when you play with them, right, you'll see them like open the wrapper and put the condom on and then say they go to fuck you from behind or something. Some people this is, you know, small instances, but it does happen.
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Casey
They'll tear the tip of the condom. They think you're being fucked with the condom, but now you're not. So one of my old play partners told me, you always have to reach back and feel like the entire peer before it goes into and I was like, oh my God, this is so much stress on a girl when you're trying to have her.
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Luna
Seriously.
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Casey
Easier to play with, like my husband now and stuff, because he gets to be the security guard because you can't have eyes all around you when you're playing with multiple guys at one time. It's like an overload to protect yourself and be safe. And, you know, we play with a lot of people like you know, they're strangers essentially, right?
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Casey
We meet them on the internet and we vet them as much as we can. But you don't know what's going on in their head and what their intentions are and stuff. And unfortunately, there are some shady people that are not going to treat you the way that, you know, you're asking to be treated. So that's just a side note for girls out there.
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Casey
Always be careful. If you know you play safe, that's up to you. To answer your question, yes, we are very upfront about condom use.
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Luna
Love it, love it. And it sounds like when you do go bear with a partner. You've had extensive conversations about their history and testing and stuff like that.
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Casey
Yeah. And in the past, you know, when I was single, I always had a couple of partners where like we were playing, you know, multiple years, maybe. So it didn't start out like that, but then it evolved. And you have the talk and, you know, you make sure you trust each other, but even that you're never really 100% sure because these are play partners.
00:22:48:04 - 00:23:08:01
Casey
Right. You know, so you're going by what they're telling you. Logic is if you're having unprotected sex with them, why would you be the only person they have that? You know, I'm not an idiot, but you know, there was some level of trust and understanding. And I felt like if something ever did go down, they would be respectful enough to call me and tell me, hey, we have a problem, you know?
00:23:08:03 - 00:23:30:14
Casey
So it goes down to judgment and gut feeling. But I always tried to limit it to, you know, like 1 or 2 people at a time. So it didn't get out of hand. But when you're single, you know, there's things that you want from life that you're not getting from a boyfriend. So you're like, okay, maybe I could kind of get it for one of my partners, even though, you know, there's this other risk involved.
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Casey
But, you know, being intimate with somebody without a condom is very different, you know?
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Luna
Totally. Thank you for that. I love this whole perspective. Okay. So now take us through your formative sexual timeline starting at the very beginning. What's your first sex related memory?
00:23:46:14 - 00:24:06:21
Casey
You know, I don't remember, like the first time I gave a blowjob or anything. I really didn't like. I said, I didn't really do much until I was older. I had sex in my late teens with a guy that I was dating, and I was getting all these horrible UTIs and infections, and I was just like, why do people like sex?
00:24:06:21 - 00:24:24:17
Casey
I don't understand this. This is horrible. The sex was like, just because he wanted to have sex. I said, okay, I'm your girlfriend, we'll have sex. But like, just like, come and get it over with. Like, I don't like this. And I was with him for a while, and then we broke up, and then I started dating someone else, and we didn't use condoms.
00:24:24:19 - 00:24:47:01
Casey
Right. And I was like, wow, this feels very different. And I had learned in the meantime that I was allergic to latex because I wasn't when I was little, it developed, I guess, during puberty, I had no idea. So I was getting all these infections from the latex condoms. So once I learned that, okay, don't latex, you know, I was like, wow, sex actually feels pretty good.
00:24:47:01 - 00:25:04:01
Casey
It doesn't hurt. This is a whole new thing to me. And the guy I was dating, he was a little older and he gave me my first orgasm and I was like, Holy shit. Like, I love sex now this is incredible, you know? And it just really opened my mind. I was like, living in darkness before that, you know?
00:25:04:01 - 00:25:24:11
Casey
It just felt like this thing I had to do for some guy. And now I was like, wait a minute, I actually want to do this for myself. This is pretty fun. And that's when we started exploring more. And with that partner, we got into the lifestyle together. We went to a club one night because I found an ad on Craigslist and I was 20, I think 24.
00:25:24:11 - 00:25:45:18
Casey
Okay. When I went to the club, yeah, not much happened before this. I kind of went from like hating sex, then I like sex and I went to a swingers club. Like, I kind of just, like, jumped a lot of steps at once, you know? And we went to this club and it just blew my mind again, like the people did this.
00:25:45:18 - 00:26:05:01
Casey
This was their life. You just go to this club and everybody's naked. Everybody's having sex, whether it's with their own partner, other people, groups. And, you know, just being naked in a group setting was crazy, right? Because you grow up thinking, I'm supposed to be ashamed of my body. I can't let people see this. I have to say, cover it up.
00:26:05:03 - 00:26:33:00
Casey
And it was just so freeing to be naked. And it was crazy. And we started going to the club every weekend, and we didn't really do too, too much. We played with people a little bit and stuff, and we broke up not long after and I thought, oh man, that was really fun. But I don't have a boyfriend now, so I can't do this and I'm not going to go back to regular life.
00:26:33:02 - 00:26:50:01
Casey
And it was so boring. And in the back of my head I just kept thinking, wow, like, I know this other world exists. And then I started doing a little research, and I logged on to our old account that we had as a couple, and I realized you could go on as a single girl and said, you know what?
00:26:50:03 - 00:27:10:18
Casey
I'm going to do this. I'm going to be brave. I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm going to try this. And the funny thing about me is that in Vanilla Life, I would say I'm on the shy, introverted side. I have social anxiety. Like I hate crowds. I don't talk to strangers. When we're out in public, my husband will talk to every single person on the street and I always walk away.
00:27:11:00 - 00:27:30:14
Casey
I don't know, it drives me insane. I get so uncomfortable and so nervous. I come off as unfriendly a lot, even though I'm just uncomfortable. But then you put me in the lifestyle world and I'm the complete opposite person. So it's kind of like, you know, Superman and Clark Kent. People always go, oh, I would never think you were, you know, this way I'm like, oh, you have no idea.
00:27:30:14 - 00:27:55:00
Casey
I am the complete, you know, 180 of my normal self. And that's the part that I really like about it, is that I get to let out all of this other energy that I struggle with on a daily basis in the real world. Yeah, not to sidetrack a little bit, but the only thing I have really found like this outlet to open up and stuff because it's more of like a video diary, right?
00:27:55:00 - 00:28:18:06
Casey
Because I write erotic memoirs about my life, and now I have this, like visual journey to accompany it. And I've actually really enjoyed talking to the fans. I do a lot of like, personal video messages to people and stuff, and I found it's this nice way for me to not be so shy. But also, you know, there's this barrier where it's a little safer.
00:28:18:07 - 00:28:36:15
Casey
And it was funny because we started less than two months ago and right away I go, okay, I'm going to wear a mask. No one's ever going to know who I am. I need to, like, protect my identity. And I think within like four weeks I posted something. I said, okay, if I get to a certain number of likes, I'll take my mask off for like vanilla photos.
00:28:36:19 - 00:28:52:03
Casey
So people have already seen my face. It's been less than two months because the exhibitionist in me is like so drawn to everything. And then the introvert of me is like, oh my God, what is she doing to me now? You know? So I have this like complex relationship with myself sometimes.
00:28:52:03 - 00:28:52:22
Luna
Totally.
00:28:53:00 - 00:29:12:02
Casey
But it's the writing is therapeutic and the only fans is actually therapeutic for me also because it's pushing me out of my comfort zone and it's helping me like be more engaging with people. So I'm actually benefiting it, like in a personal way. Yeah, that was pretty cool. You know, obviously I share sex stuff, but I also share writing stuff.
00:29:12:04 - 00:29:35:09
Casey
I share stuff from our nudist vacations, personal stuff. It really is like my books brought to life. So it's like all of Casey in one place. So it's very personal. It's very authentic. It's very quirky because I'm super weird at times, you know, that I'm goofy and sarcastic. So you get like my whole personality on there. So this is how I got into the lifestyle.
00:29:35:09 - 00:29:52:23
Casey
We went to the sex club, we broke up, I went on as a single girl, and I remember the first date I went on, I was so fucking nervous because I was like, I don't know if I could have sex with a stranger that I just met. Like, I don't know what I'm doing here. Yeah, but it sounds really cool and I want to do it.
00:29:53:00 - 00:30:12:23
Casey
So I just kind of really randomly selected somebody, right? It wasn't like, oh my God, I need to fuck this guy. He's so hot. We have so much in common. I just kind of just randomly selected somebody to be the winner. And we went out for drinks and I remember not being very impressed. He wasn't really my type.
00:30:12:23 - 00:30:40:09
Casey
His personality was mediocre. And I had this moment where, okay, I could just call the night and go home, or I could sleep with him just to see if I could sleep with him. And I went with the latter choice. Okay, so we went back to my house. We had horrible sex, and at the end of the night I gave myself a pat on the back and I said, okay, you're braver than you think, and you're going to go back online and you're going to get better at this.
00:30:40:11 - 00:31:09:19
Casey
You're going to learn how to pick the right people. You're going to learn how to seek out what you're interested in. And I did, and I got better at it. And over the years I've had these amazing experience with really awesome people, and it was definitely a learning process. It was complicated. It was messy. You have to do a lot of self-reflection and, you know, looking at yourself in a certain way to say, what is it that I'm comfortable with?
00:31:09:19 - 00:31:29:20
Casey
What are my insecurities? What am I embarrassed about? What am I afraid? You know, I had to go through all these emotions. At least I don't know of other people. It was this difficult for them, but it might have been because of how I grew up. And, you know, I was just thrown into this crazy world of like, uninhibited, limitless sex options now.
00:31:29:20 - 00:31:49:15
Casey
And it was so overwhelming for me. Yeah, but I'm used to dating one person, being in a monogamous relationship, being very loyal, and I struggled with that part of it because I wanted to have a boyfriend, but I wanted to have fun. But you know, vanilla guys don't understand this at all. You tell them this and they run away.
00:31:49:15 - 00:32:12:04
Casey
So like, oh my God, you're just this whore. Like, how could I, you know, take you home with my mom? Yeah. And then I also found that guys in the lifestyle that I played with, you know, there was a handful that got messy because now, friends with benefits, you blur the line. Eventually you know, once you start meeting people's families and friends, but you're just friends with benefits, it gets blurry and you have all this stuff in common.
00:32:12:06 - 00:32:32:11
Casey
And then, you know, he starts to get feelings and then like, oh, I'm so sorry. I can't data girl on the lifestyle. And I'm like, but you're in the lifestyle. And they go, oh no, I'm just in the lifestyle till I find a girl. And then I leave, you know? So you get these guys that come back and forth, they're only on it when they're single and horny, but then they want to date a vanilla girl.
00:32:32:14 - 00:33:05:00
Casey
And I think that's a terrible plan. But that's not for me to judge other people. Right. So I was always stuck in this, like, vicious cycle of these really great guys that I like, but then they wouldn't date me because I wasn't good enough for them. You know? But we had all this fun together and it just got really overwhelming and depressing, and I felt like I was always going to have to pick having, you know, a normal wife and relationship and giving up, like all this fun stuff, or just staying single forever and living out all these fantasies.
00:33:05:02 - 00:33:24:08
Casey
And it was devastating for me for a while. You know, I didn't like that. And I thought I had to choose, and I didn't like the way you guys made me feel for wanting this stuff out of life. You know? I felt like it wasn't fair. It became like this emotional rollercoaster for me. Or, you know, one minute I'm loving being free and wild and stuff.
00:33:24:10 - 00:33:39:23
Casey
And then after, you know, a handful date, you come home by yourself and you're like, oh, this is a little lonely and depressing sometimes, you know, like, I don't want to come home by myself, especially if you have like a string of bad dates. Oh my God, the stress that you're on an extra horny. You're not sexually satisfied.
00:33:40:03 - 00:33:47:18
Casey
You wasted, like, ten nights with these random guys that you're never going to see again, and you just want to go home and cuddle with somebody. You know?
00:33:47:22 - 00:33:55:13
Luna
That's when I start to feel the most desperate where I'm like, oh, it didn't happen today or tomorrow or it's never going like that. One never starts to feel like a possibility.
00:33:55:13 - 00:34:15:13
Casey
Yeah. And this is all the stuff that I write about. I write about all the sex stuff, but I also write out the really personal parts of it and like how complicated it is to balance all this stuff and find what you want and learn to be okay with yourself in the end, right? Because if you're not okay with yourself, then nothing is ever going to go your way, right?
00:34:15:15 - 00:34:43:16
Casey
And like, getting right with myself was always the hardest part in every journey that I've ever gone through. I'm my worst critic, you know, I'm very hard on myself. So I did this for a long time, and then eventually I found one guy and we met in the lifestyle, and I was just so kind of beaten down by now where he fell in love with me, and he was like, we could be together, we could have this great life, but you need to be vanilla.
00:34:43:18 - 00:35:00:20
Casey
And I was so close to just caving and saying, fine, like I've had it, I give up, I'll just put everything aside and just be this normal girl that everybody wants me to be. Around that time, this other guy that I knew called me and he offered to introduce me to his other friend. He wanted to have a threesome together.
00:35:01:01 - 00:35:20:03
Casey
So me and you guys and I remember that. I knew, like, if I went to this threesome, this other guy was going to dump me, like, there's no fucking way I could have everything, right? And I would just think about it. And I'm like, how stupid is it to give up a potentially good relationship for, you know, a few hours of fun, right?
00:35:20:03 - 00:35:36:21
Casey
Like, that's so stupid. Like, why would I do that? But of course I did that. You know, it was just like calling to me. And I'm glad I went because then that guy ended up being my future husband. Right. So yes. Yes. Thank you. So the moral of the story is I did not have to choose and give up what I wanted.
00:35:36:21 - 00:35:45:08
Casey
I just had to wait for the right person, even though I felt like he was never, ever going to come. He did show up. And we are very happy together. Yes.
00:35:45:08 - 00:35:51:01
Luna
And I'm so glad to hear that for you, but also for my own selfish reasons.
00:35:51:03 - 00:36:15:05
Casey
We were like a 15 year journey, but I did get him and we could not be happier and you know, I always tell people, if you're done with the lifestyle and you want to be vanilla, then make that decision. But never let somebody rip it from you or, you know, force you to choose or take it from you or make you feel horrible about yourself for being an, you know, quote unquote unnormal relationship.
00:36:15:05 - 00:36:18:11
Casey
Right? We're not the goal, but that's what works for us.
00:36:18:13 - 00:36:35:21
Luna
Well, and I love that you were able to clarify your values and needs, even with all the kind of confusing, normal vanilla societal ones, because it's like I remember getting a lot of advice from people. I'm single. I've been single for quite a while. I had a Dom for a while, but he was a married, you know, like it wasn't a regular relationship.
00:36:35:23 - 00:36:54:21
Luna
And I've gotten lots of advice from well-meaning vanilla people that had something to the effect of like, well, I have to prioritize a life partnership. Sex isn't the most important thing, but after thinking about it for a while like that, for me, sex is probably the most important thing in partnership. If I'm going to let another person be in my everyday space.
00:36:54:23 - 00:37:12:03
Luna
So what you told us about your sex journey? Are there any specific things you want to say about kind of like unpacking your own shame or anything to kind of say about the childhood you grew up in? Like whatever, sort of like the guilt. And I know we talked a little bit about it, but like, is there anything more that you want to say about that part of your journey?
00:37:12:05 - 00:37:31:03
Casey
Like, I don't know if I would necessarily change how I was back then. I'm kind of okay with how my journey ended up. I just wish I knew that I didn't need to be as ashamed as I thought I was. That's not to say that if I had less guilt, I would have been like this huge whore when I was 15.
00:37:31:03 - 00:37:48:18
Casey
I don't know that that might not have been me anyway, but I wish I kind of had the choice in my head because I just never knew it was okay to do these things for myself. And another funny thing about me is that, like, I never masturbated or anything, I never watch porn and people don't ever believe me because they're like, oh my God.
00:37:48:18 - 00:38:07:07
Casey
I go, yeah, but I have so much sex now that like, it never occurred to me before when I was younger. And then once I started having sex, I was just like, all about guys. But the funny thing now is that very, very recently. So I'm 40 and this is a brand new thing that just happened when we started filming on OnlyFans.
00:38:07:09 - 00:38:25:01
Casey
Now I'm able to like have an orgasm masturbating. As long as like the camera is on or my husband is in the room or like somebody else is there. So that's a huge step now. And like I never saw that one coming. So if I'm by myself, it doesn't work. But if like I know somebody is watching it, then it totally works for me.
00:38:25:01 - 00:38:26:01
Casey
Now.
00:38:26:03 - 00:38:26:13
Luna
Maybe.
00:38:26:18 - 00:38:40:07
Casey
It's never too late to find new things that work for you. You know, like I never in a million years thought that that would happen for me. And it was funny because my husband was with me the first day it happened. He goes, oh my God. He goes, did you just masturbate? I go, no, he goes, yes, you did.
00:38:40:07 - 00:38:51:13
Casey
I know I'm not by myself. It doesn't count. He goes, no, it probably counts like you can with the toy by yourself. I go, okay, but there was other stuff happened. So we're arguing about it. But I guess it does work now.
00:38:51:18 - 00:39:00:16
Luna
I love that. Okay, tell us some of the ways that you have explored masturbation, but also just like specifics of what you love, what is your body love to experience with or without partners?
00:39:00:18 - 00:39:18:08
Casey
So obviously we've got to be I'm very into rough sex. Oh so fun fact when I went on that threesome, it was a blind date and I agreed to go on it because the guy had a playroom in his house. So now I have a playroom in my house. If you could follow, follow the dots there. So it's a fully equipped playroom.
00:39:18:10 - 00:39:37:00
Casey
So you have all kinds of sex furniture, every prop and like toy, you know, you could ever imagine. So I mean, yeah, the world was at our fingertips. So we play with all kinds of stuff. I did mention that I love hot wax, and the funny thing is that my husband, it drives him crazy because it makes such a mess.
00:39:37:01 - 00:39:52:14
Casey
Like while you're playing with it, it's super hot and stuff. And then as soon as the play is over, he's just like, oh my God, the mess, you know? And I go, oh, I'll do this one to fight. So that's like a funny thing about us, though. It's something super hot, but it just drives him insane. But I love it so and he'll do it for me, you know?
00:39:52:14 - 00:40:11:19
Casey
But it does make a mess. We find wax like weeks later and it's ridiculous, but I think it's worth it because it's so much fun. So that's one of my favorite things. We're very much in to come play. And he was not really when I met him, but I have won him over a little bit. So I love having come on me and then like rubbing it all over.
00:40:12:00 - 00:40:14:19
Casey
Like I like to rub it in like lotion. Oh, me too.
00:40:14:20 - 00:40:20:17
Luna
Oh, and like I sometimes let it. If it's a partner I really like, like back when I had a dime, I would wear it.
00:40:20:19 - 00:40:40:04
Casey
Oh my God, I go to sleep like, yes, like you need to. So I go, no, no, no, I love it. Or like come in my panties and I wear them. So in the beginning he loved coming on me, but he didn't really like rubbing it in. Okay. And now he's much better about it. And that's funny too, because with other guys, not every guy wants to touch it.
00:40:40:04 - 00:40:55:19
Casey
Other guys come, some don't give a shit and those guys are so much fun. Some guys you like both come on you at the same time. And then we've noticed that a lot of guys get stage fright when you want everybody to come on you, like repeatedly. They're all like, yeah, I'm going to do it. And then like, nobody can do it.
00:40:55:21 - 00:41:17:03
Casey
So that's really funny. So a lot of letdowns in that department sometimes because like I just want to be covered by like everybody. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm so hot. But it's very hard to organize that, you know. And also a lot of guys because I am really, really tight apparently. Yeah. Like a lot of guys like they just come inside you in the condom because they just can't even like wait.
00:41:17:05 - 00:41:35:08
Casey
So that always, like, bums me out sometimes. But I guess flattering because they're like, oh my God, I couldn't help it. We do a lot of, you know, bondage stuff since he got into the hot wax and come play for me, I got it, you know, give a little. So he's really into like, super aggressive, like, face fucking gagging stuff.
00:41:35:10 - 00:41:56:18
Casey
So I've gotten to be pretty good at that. Now. And you know, that's an interesting thing because we had all these talks where guys don't realize, you know, girls are concerned with the way they look when they're giving a blowjob, right? Like, you don't want to be this disgusting mess, just, like, covered in, like, all slime and your eyes dripping in running.
00:41:56:18 - 00:41:59:11
Casey
But apparently that's what it's all about for him.
00:41:59:16 - 00:42:09:21
Luna
Yeah, I learned to really appreciate being a sloppy deep throat mess. Especially when, like, all the mucus is going like. I had a partner teach me to, like, love that for myself.
00:42:09:23 - 00:42:26:04
Casey
Yeah. So now that he's, like, really drilled into my head that that's hot and this is what he wants to see for me. Like now I'm super into it and I don't mind doing it because I know that it's okay. But I told him, you know, a lot of girls were paranoid about that were, you know, self-conscious and stuff.
00:42:26:06 - 00:42:47:21
Casey
But this is a fun fact. We are not publicly married to our family and friends. We are secretly married only people in the lifestyle now for two reasons one, we love having secrets in a relationship. We think it's super hot and sexy. We treat each other like boyfriend and girlfriend and it keeps the relationship, I think, livelier, more romantic and passionate.
00:42:47:21 - 00:42:58:05
Casey
Like, I don't want to get to the point where there's like boring married couple, but in the lifestyle we tell people are married because he likes people fucking his wife. It's hotter than saying like, fuck my girlfriend.
00:42:58:08 - 00:43:02:19
Luna
Do you have a power dynamic or do you just play with kink? Like, how does it work for you?
00:43:02:21 - 00:43:25:10
Casey
So this is another funny thing about us. Before we met, he liked playing with, you know, really submissive girls. He was the Dom and stuff. I am not a submissive girl, so we kind of like battled that out a little bit. And you know, we would try and it was difficult because he's like, I don't want you to pretend to be submissive for me or it's not hot.
00:43:25:11 - 00:43:54:11
Casey
Yeah. And I'm like, okay, this is really hard. This is like out of my norm. I could fake sub like no one business. But I understand what he's saying, you know? But over time as we got closer and stuff, it does turn me on now. So we're not like a Dom sub couple. But we definitely have certain situations where I am submissive to him and it's been really hot sometimes he still has.
00:43:54:12 - 00:44:09:14
Casey
It's weird because he's so in love with me and I'm his, you know, like pride and joy. He's apprehensive to hurt me sometimes or to do things that he would do to other girls without even like and I and I'm like, babe, go for it. Like, I don't give a shit. Like, let me have whatever you could give me, right?
00:44:09:18 - 00:44:34:03
Casey
So we've been struggling to like, get this perfect. However, we noticed that anytime there's another guy in the room, he has no fucking problem. Like being Mr. Dom. It turns him on to like, have other guys dominate me and to dominate me with other guys and stuff. So it kind of works out perfectly with my fetish of having multiple guys.
00:44:34:03 - 00:44:49:13
Casey
So we mix everything together and, you know, we show up to the hotel with like leashes, collars, spreader bars, vloggers, bug eggs. And we're also very much into body writing right now, if you know what that is like.
00:44:49:13 - 00:44:53:04
Luna
What like Sharpies on like messages to other partners or like, what's your version?
00:44:53:06 - 00:44:56:15
Casey
Yeah, like people write filthy shit on you before they fuck. Yeah.
00:44:56:19 - 00:45:01:18
Luna
Like come whore. Like fucking like, what do you what do you favorite things you like to get?
00:45:01:20 - 00:45:16:12
Casey
No. Anything. But it's it's funny because, like, when we first met, I had all these things. I was like, I'm not doing any of this shit. Like, I don't like any of this stuff. And now, a few years later, I'm like, give me anything you got. Like, what else you come up with, you know? Because again, it's all about trust.
00:45:16:12 - 00:45:31:23
Casey
When we first met, I was like, I don't know you. You shouldn't be doing these things to me. Like, who are you? Why do you think you deserve to, like, do this shit to me? And now I'm like, honey, like, I don't say no to anything. Literally. Like, whatever he can come up with, whatever he's seeing somewhere or heard about.
00:45:32:00 - 00:45:49:05
Casey
Like, we try, we do it. And it's even gotten to the point now where we let other guys do the stuff. To me, when we play and that was like unheard of for me, because when I was single, I always felt like being submissive to somebody that I didn't know was giving them too much power over me, that they didn't earn.
00:45:49:07 - 00:45:52:02
Casey
So I always struggled with that dynamic.
00:45:52:04 - 00:46:13:06
Luna
I want to interrupt you to say that I think that's fair. And the only times that I have come to harm, sexual harm, only time is when I was like a horny little submissive that like, wanted to give her power away and did it too fast. And so I think that's actually very wise because like, yes, why does a complete stranger need, you know, especially outside of a play space where there is community to, like, vouch for people.
00:46:13:06 - 00:46:15:08
Luna
So just want to insert that.
00:46:15:10 - 00:46:29:08
Casey
That's exactly true because you get all these guys there like I'm a dumb. Like they don't even know what the fuck that mean. Yeah. They do think they're going to like dominate you, but they don't understand like the etiquette and the rules and like the actual dynamic between the dominance.
00:46:29:10 - 00:46:34:13
Luna
And the caretaking and the level of attention to detail that it requires and safety. Yeah.
00:46:34:15 - 00:46:53:19
Casey
Yeah. I'm this guy that would take advantage of you. So I was up very turned off by the idea of it just because of self-preservation. So it was a struggle for us. You know, in the beginning I was like, absolutely not. And then little by little, I was like, okay, let's try this, let's try that. And now we literally have zero limits.
00:46:53:21 - 00:47:14:17
Casey
And that's taken our relationship to like, this whole new crazy place. And I can't believe that I let other guys do this shit to me now, but I couldn't even care less. Like, it doesn't bother me. It's super hot and there's nothing hotter than like, looking at him being so turned on by something I'm doing with somebody else.
00:47:14:18 - 00:47:34:02
Casey
So we're pretty much into like, a lot of kings and fetishes and whatever we can come up with. We when we go on dates with guys, we kind of frontloaded as we're open. The only thing I'm not into right now is anal. Okay? I've done it in the past, but it's just, I don't know, I feel like there's so much else going on, especially with DV, that just, you know, is the main focus.
00:47:34:06 - 00:47:58:12
Casey
But we show with all this like spread of props and stuff, and we let the guys kind of select, you know, what they're into, because not every guy is going to want to play the same way. And we just tell like kind of just go for it. Like, don't be shy. And the funny part is that a lot of them are shy and we're not sure if it's because my husband is there and they're, you know, intimidated to do stuff in front of someone's husband.
00:47:58:12 - 00:48:17:21
Casey
But it's funny because we're like, no, guys. Like, literally anything you want. We won't say no. Just have fun, be crazy, be wild. And they're always like, hesitant, you know, like we gave guys markers. He's like, write whatever you want on her. And they just stare at us like, yes. They can't even, like process that. We're like letting them do whatever the fuck they want to me, you know?
00:48:17:21 - 00:48:22:14
Casey
And we're having fun. So that's an interesting dynamic.
00:48:22:16 - 00:48:37:03
Luna
I've noticed a lot of people have a hard time with choosing a desire, like out of nowhere, because I do a lot of like fantasy questions or asking like in my future full service creativity brothel resort. Like, if you could design a room, what would it be? And like, how would you want to get fucking if you were the first person?
00:48:37:03 - 00:48:51:10
Luna
And like, people are just like, let me let me think about it, you know? And so it's like, I can only imagine having a beautiful woman and her husband would be if they hadn't, like, planned it out or didn't have direction. They might just feel like totally lost it. See? How do you, like, scoot them along? Or what do you do?
00:48:51:12 - 00:48:53:11
Luna
You just wait for them to make a choice.
00:48:53:13 - 00:49:11:14
Casey
On a normal way. Date. Like once we go to the hotel, sometimes we meet people at the bar first. Sometimes we just go right to the room. I generally, I mean like lingerie and I'm like, okay, who's doing what? Like sometimes I have to be like, hey guys, once in a while you get a guy that's like, I'm like, I'm starting this, you know?
00:49:11:17 - 00:49:29:19
Casey
Yeah, if you have a room of like 4 or 5 guys, maybe one of them will be like the leader and then you'll have a couple of guys that wait a little bit. But even with, like, we're very big into dirty talk. My husband loves when guys call me, like, filthy names and stuff. And he'll tell them like, whatever you want.
00:49:29:21 - 00:50:04:12
Casey
And there's like, radio silence and he's like, oh my God, guy's like, come on. We feel like we're everybody's like fantasy because we will do any favors. You have. And then people come to us and it's like they're just shocked. Yeah, I don't know if they think we're not serious or like what the deal is, but a lot of times it's just like awkward because we have this expectation of how it's going to go and then people turn out to be like super shy or I get a lot of times that guys are intimidated, you know, because like, how many people I've been with or how we like to play or how forward I am
00:50:04:14 - 00:50:24:07
Casey
because again, vanilla like very shy. You put me in a room with a guy. I am like an animal now. Like I will attack you, you know. So people they do they it like throws them off sometimes, you know, because I like to play with people that like I just met. Right. I don't need to get your whole life story.
00:50:24:07 - 00:50:38:14
Casey
I don't need to have five drinks with you. I want you to come to the hotel room and fuck me. Right. So, like, the minute you walk in the door, I want to get you naked. I want to be having sex in, like, ten minutes. And I've noticed that a lot of guys are actually the opposite. Like, they need a little warm up time.
00:50:38:16 - 00:50:42:09
Casey
They need to meet, like. And I'm like, hey, like, am I the guy here? Like, what's going on?
00:50:42:09 - 00:50:45:10
Luna
Totally. And then they get all weird.
00:50:45:12 - 00:51:00:23
Casey
Because a lot of these guys, you know, via text and email like, oh, I'm going to do this to you. I'm going to do that to you. Like, you watch out. You've never been with a guy like me. And then they show up and you're just like waiting for something to happen. But then there are some rock stars, obviously, that come through and you're like, yes, this is amazing.
00:51:01:04 - 00:51:24:14
Casey
But it is incredible to me. The number of guys that don't take advantage of our situation and just like, fucking live out every fantasy that they can with us, you know? So in the beginning, we did not play with married guys because personal thing, we don't believe in cheating. I don't want to be a part of that. But little by little over the years, you know, you meet people and you hear their stories.
00:51:24:16 - 00:51:41:01
Casey
And it's not always black and white, like why they're cheating or what's going on with their relationship. It's like, you know, it's not my place to judge what people are doing in the world, right? I don't know what's happening in your home life. I don't know if you're cheating because you're an asshole or because there's just like, really massive story that's just so complicated.
00:51:41:01 - 00:52:03:23
Casey
This is your only like, I don't know, and it's not our place. Right? So we've lifted that ban. And it's been interesting because a lot of these guys that are married and they play with us, you know, they're so like repressed and just like pent up energy from not having sex at home that their super fun to play with because they get to let out all of their like aggression with us.
00:52:04:01 - 00:52:07:09
Casey
Yeah. So that's been pretty cool to well and they.
00:52:07:09 - 00:52:10:02
Luna
Get to be appreciated. That's so cool.
00:52:10:08 - 00:52:36:09
Casey
You just ask that people are upfront about it. Yeah. Don't lie to us. You know it in our profile. If you're married, that's fine. Just be upfront will work with you because a lot of them have like weird time frames that they're available because they have to sneak out and stuff. And we would rather just be honest and we'll respect that and we'll help you out versus like, some weird, shady, you know, I'm only available Tuesdays from like 1 to 230, you know, don't ask me any questions.
00:52:36:09 - 00:52:38:11
Casey
It's like, that's not going to work for us.
00:52:38:13 - 00:52:45:05
Luna
That's awesome. So it sounds like you're mostly doing stuff in hotels. Do you meet people at clubs anymore or are you meeting on apps?
00:52:45:07 - 00:53:06:11
Casey
We have a profile on some adult sites. That's where we mean everybody from. Our general thing is, when we meet people for the first time, guys provide the hotel room, okay? We've tried other ways. And you know what? Having strangers in your house is just fucking weird. It doesn't always go well. Yeah. You know, you don't always want them to stay, and then they know you live like it's not great.
00:53:06:12 - 00:53:28:02
Casey
So our rule is hotels only, and then we have a handful of guys that we're friends with that are allowed to come to the playroom. So that's kind of a benefit of being one of our friends is that once in a while you come over here, you play with all the stuff, but usually we only have like 1 or 2 guys, Max in the playroom because then that's for people and it gets a little crowded.
00:53:28:04 - 00:53:48:04
Casey
So if there's a lot of people, we go to hotels. Even if we know them, it just it's easier. We've gone to, I think, like one specific club together a few times, but it's not generally like our scene. You know, for me, especially because we only play with single guys, then if you go on a couples night, you're just hanging out.
00:53:48:04 - 00:53:58:09
Casey
It's like a vanilla club. If you go on single guy night, it's a crapshoot. Yeah. And there's also like none us. We don't want to have to like, go to the city. It's a whole.
00:53:58:14 - 00:53:59:08
Luna
Yeah, I got it.
00:53:59:12 - 00:54:24:08
Casey
It's so much work and effort and time for an unknown night. We much rather have something that we set up. We play for a certain amount of hours. We know who's coming. It seems to be more like time efficient for us. And productive. I just like to be in control of that a little more. Plus, if we go to clubs, I have to because I used to go when I was single sometimes, but I have to be really, really careful.
00:54:24:08 - 00:54:40:12
Casey
Because of my allergy, I would only ever play. I would go to the club like super early, like, you know, like 10:00 when they first open, even though it doesn't get crowded till 11 or 12. And I would just kind of like sit in the couch by the front door and I'd watch people walk in and then I would track them.
00:54:40:12 - 00:55:00:15
Casey
Whoever I wanted to play with, I would make sure that they didn't play with someone else. They were still fully dressed because they didn't touch other condoms. Right. So it's a lot of work. I've had successful nights sometimes, but generally speaking, it's just not worth the effort. It's super hot when it works out, but you know, I like a little more convenience stuff to happen.
00:55:00:20 - 00:55:15:18
Luna
Yeah. Okay. So tell us some specifics of these multi guy sessions that you've had or just stuff that you've really enjoyed. You know we've gotten a lot of like general overview. Is your husband ever touching you during these. Or is it like just the other people in he's watching. Give us some details.
00:55:15:20 - 00:55:33:09
Casey
He's a mix. He's very funny because I always want him to play with me. But sometimes he's in a mood where he just wants to watch. And he used to be a single guy in the lifestyle. So he's very pro advocate for single guys, you know, because a lot of couples give like, don't want to talk, give them a bad rap like we love them.
00:55:33:09 - 00:55:51:06
Casey
So he's the type of we're playing. He's like, I have for all the time. You just have it for tonight. So like, you do whatever you want, like just have fun. I don't want to get in the way. And sometimes guys will be like, Jason, want to, you know, get involved. He's like, no, no, no. So it's funny to me because I'm like, honey, I want you to like me.
00:55:51:06 - 00:56:07:22
Casey
But he's like, no, no, no, I'm good. I'm just going to watch. But then if guys were having a hard time performing and like the night is lagging, then he's very quick to jump in and kind of like get things rolling again. If it's just one guy that we're with, then he's very involved because then we're having a threesome.
00:56:08:01 - 00:56:15:08
Casey
But if it's multiple guys, you know, he picks and chooses, if he doesn't play during the date, he'll definitely have sex with me, like right after the guys do that.
00:56:15:10 - 00:56:20:13
Luna
So is it like reclamation or is it just like a thing you do, like what's the vibe of it or does it depend?
00:56:20:15 - 00:56:36:18
Casey
You know, it's funny because when we first met, I used to play with guys that love used pussy. So like, they wanted me, even though they weren't my boyfriend, they wanted me to focus on and then go see them, you know, like when I was, like, used and dirty. So, like coming into the relationship, I was used to that.
00:56:36:18 - 00:56:56:03
Casey
And he was like, no, I don't really like that. That's not so much my thing, you know? But now I wouldn't say that. He was like, use pussy specifically, but he's just so turned on by watching the whole night that like, he's just so horny he needs to fuck me. I think it's a little different than specifically like that.
00:56:56:03 - 00:57:12:00
Casey
Other guys were inside me because that's its own kind of fetish. Especially like, you know, guys that want to fuck you after someone else came in you or like, came on. You like to me that used pussy. He's more like, it's so hot seeing my wife, like, do all this crazy shit.
00:57:12:02 - 00:57:20:19
Luna
I love that. What are some standout moments you've had in these, like, group play sessions, but you just love as you reflect back on.
00:57:20:21 - 00:57:41:12
Casey
I would say love to you again. We're still trying to get like a group of ten guys together to have like a true, true gangbang because right now we're more on like the mini gangbang side of things. But it's hard to get that many people together and get them coordinated and have them all show up and like all perform, you know, and we get like a ton of guys messaging us, especially.
00:57:41:12 - 00:57:55:20
Casey
I was on another podcast recently, hundreds of messages I want to fuck you. I want to fuck you, when can I fuck you? And I'm like, oh my God, guys, this is not how this worked. Like for the right to me. Like it says, I'm a hot wife, but they don't read the they don't know what a vixen is to like, I'm going to take you out.
00:57:55:20 - 00:58:12:05
Casey
I'm going to fuck you. I'm going to like, make love to you. And I'm like, guys, Google Vixen, do a little research. And if you don't know what to do, treat people like you would in the vanilla world. And what I mean by that, you would not go up in a bar where you see a guy and his girlfriend go up to the girl from the like, I want to fuck you right now, right?
00:58:12:07 - 00:58:30:13
Casey
Just because I'm a hot wife, you still have to go through my husband. You still have to acknowledge my husband. I hate when people just write to me directly like I am a single woman. Because you are not understanding what we're about. You're sidetracking our entire fantasy because our whole fetish is being a married couple and him watch.
00:58:30:16 - 00:58:44:06
Casey
We would just be, like, respectful and normal and polite. You would get so much farther in the lifestyle, even if we're honest. Sex, right. You do not, like start a conversation for something vulgar. For me at least. Maybe other people like that, but I hate that.
00:58:44:06 - 00:58:59:07
Luna
Unless there's a specific invitation of like, hey, message me with your favorite dirty thing, that's different. But if out of nowhere, out of no context, like I get a lot of messages that are just like, where does the dick pick? It's the same sort of like uncon sensual thing where it's like, well, no, okay.
00:58:59:09 - 00:59:15:02
Casey
I get that. My Instagram is it's my profile, so it's a little different. But on our lifestyle profile, we are listed as a couple. The whole thing is about being a couple. And then guys just write to me and I'm like, if you're not going to even acknowledge my husband exist, then I don't want to meet you, right?
00:59:15:02 - 00:59:25:22
Casey
Because you don't understand our dynamic. And there's a big difference between stag, an eviction and a cock husband, right? Like my husband is a stag. If you don't know the difference and you're approaching me as if he's a cock, it's not.
00:59:25:22 - 00:59:27:10
Luna
Going to work. Definitely.
00:59:27:12 - 00:59:42:13
Casey
I'd rather people kind of ask me a question, say, hey, how does this work? Or, you know, what is the deal? Versus like, this is what I'm going to do to you. So I'm like, that's not what you're going to do to me. And I have no problem with no, no. Like we don't need.
00:59:42:15 - 00:59:58:08
Luna
It is truly incredible to me that you put up with that level of energy that you clearly have to, you know, hold these boundaries on and can still get so turned on by a group of cocks in a room, I love that. Do you have any other fantasies that you've not yet achieved that are on your bucket list?
00:59:58:10 - 01:00:11:12
Casey
Yes. Going off the gangbang thing, I would love to have like, you know, like a raw gangbang where everybody has like creampie me and stuff. But I mean, I don't really foresee that happening.
01:00:11:14 - 01:00:13:12
Luna
That's a grievance. You know?
01:00:13:14 - 01:00:17:10
Casey
But that would be pretty fucking killer, don't you think? Totally.
01:00:17:12 - 01:00:32:13
Luna
That's exactly the type of stuff that I fantasize about. And the way that my fantasy brand made it work is like, okay, but if it was like a people, you know, kind of all, you know, like play partner. And then there was like a getaway thing and you trust it. And then everyone got their tests at the beginning and you're in the same space.
01:00:32:13 - 01:00:47:06
Casey
I know it wasn't thinking like about families and stuff. Some of them are so easy to think of, but hard to create. Other ones are so easy to create. You just have to like, go for it, you know? But I would say that's definitely on my list.
01:00:47:08 - 01:00:52:02
Luna
Okay. What are your sexual hopes for yourself going forward?
01:00:52:04 - 01:01:16:18
Casey
I hope that my husband and I stay just as wild as we are for as long as possible. We don't have kids, so I feel like that is a big plus for us because we don't have that stress or that take away. All of our time is dedicated to each other. But I just hope that, you know, sometimes, like you go to a club or you look online and there's a couple like in their 70s still swinging, and I'm like, oh, that's going to be us, you know?
01:01:16:20 - 01:01:40:10
Casey
So I like to stay in shape so that hopefully we will last that long in the lifestyle. I know, I just hope that we continue to keep developing like new fetishes and just keep pursuing this like wild life that we have together. It's so much fun with him. I never wanted to get boring. You know, we find ways to keep things like sexy and fun all the time.
01:01:40:12 - 01:02:07:10
Casey
I am a big believer in like as his wife, not just as his wife, as his partner. Whether it's, you know, your girlfriend or wife. Like it is my goal to make sure he is as turned on as much as possible, whether it's just when we're home, you know, if I'm cooking breakfast, like naked or whatever, it's like, I just always want him to be attracted to me and like, dying to fuck me all the time.
01:02:07:10 - 01:02:23:04
Casey
You know? I never want to lose that. Especially because we met in this, like, insane threesome, which is a little unusual. Like, that's how we started. So I feel like we just have to keep going higher and higher and higher all the time.
01:02:23:06 - 01:02:36:16
Luna
And okay, earlier I know that we said obviously formative years were already perfect as is, but for a thought experiment, if you could go back in time and give younger you a piece of sex advice, what age or ages would you pick and what would you say?
01:02:36:18 - 01:03:03:10
Casey
I would, I mean, I guess I would go like early teens maybe because that's when you're really starting to come into your own. I would tell you, like I said before, I would give myself the permission to explore if I wanted to. I still don't know if I would because of my personality. I don't know if I would have done other stuff back then, but I would have liked to at least think about it and consider it and say, no, I don't want to do this versus like, I'm terrified to do this and I'm not allowed to do this.
01:03:03:12 - 01:03:10:23
Casey
So I think that and I mean, I wish I knew I was allergic to latex way earlier, but that's neither here nor there. Can't really that one.
01:03:11:00 - 01:03:12:14
Luna
No, that's a good practical one.
01:03:12:16 - 01:03:23:13
Casey
I probably would have altered my path a lot though, right? Totally. Then my whole perception of sex would have been different, and I don't know what that would have done to me. Right? Yeah.
01:03:23:15 - 01:03:25:23
Luna
Where can people find you on the internet?
01:03:26:00 - 01:03:49:07
Casey
So my three books are all on Amazon. I have in bed with strangers swinging my way to self-discovery. That's the first book. The second is Scarlet Swings Higher. That's mostly about gang bangs and stuff. And the third one is Scarlet Surrenders, which is the story of reading my husband and getting secretly married. The first one is my whole like, vanilla into lifestyle transitional story.
01:03:49:09 - 01:03:59:22
Casey
So those are all on Amazon and then Instagram. I'm at in bed with strangers and on OnlyFans. I am hot wife life eight, six, nine.
01:04:00:00 - 01:04:02:19
Luna
Likes and all of those links are in the description.
01:04:02:21 - 01:04:08:12
Casey
So again, feel free to reach out to me anybody but just, you know, nothing vulgar and offensive. Just be polite.
01:04:08:18 - 01:04:13:07
Luna
Book. Yeah. Casey. Donatello, thank you so much for being a guest on sex stories.
01:04:13:09 - 01:04:15:04
Casey
Thank you. This was so much fun, I enjoyed it.
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