Trampling & A Spanking Skirt: Updates with Kathy Kay of Strictly Anonymous

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Luna

But today I had the pleasure of having Kathy Kay of the Strictly Anonymous podcast return to listen to my bucket list updates. So enjoy!

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Kathy

So why don't you go through your list and tell me what the fuck went down since we last spoke?

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Luna

Okay, so since we last spoke, the spanking skirt was a great success. Phone sex has been incredibly fun. My foot fetish research is ongoing, and I want to clarify a couple points about that when we talk. My new flogger set is amazing. I'm getting good to have the two handed. Like I'm practicing my Florentine flogging, practicing on a stool currently, but I'm ready for butts.

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Luna

Like I'm ready for humans. And then I've been doing sex stories in the park. That is super duper fun. I did an attempt at my masturbation vacation, but we're going to need another one. I'll tell you why. And then I got some, like, incredible inspiration from Layla, because I was telling her about killing kittens and how we were talking about her, and then that just, like, spiraled into future bucket list things.

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Luna

So that was, like, the most exciting stuff. Then I have some stuff for the future that I'm noodling on that I would like to get your opinions on, in terms of where I put my energy next. So.

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Kathy

Okay, so that's Layla from Curious Girl Diaries. I forgot to say your wildly from Sex Stories podcast. You do what I do on your show interview people. But you also mentioned there that like you have done like live videos with people in the park, but do you want to start like where do you want to start with your list?

00:01:20:01 - 00:01:36:06

Luna

I want to start with the spanking skirt. It was so hot. So I got a listener recommendation for which skirt to buy because I was like researching. I went to a couple sex shops in person, you know, like I got my flogger in person. I do want to order some, like, nice artisan ones at some point, but I want to like, meet the people anyway.

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Luna

Spanking skirt in the store. There was only one and it did not fit me. It was too big and it was like red leather. And so I ended up ordering this beautiful like stretchy. It's from Masan Clothes, which I was a fancy lingerie brand I had never heard of, but now I want way more things from there. So if anyone wants to send me presents, I will wear them and take pictures in them and share them with you.

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Luna

But yeah. So the spanking skirt has a little hole cutout for the ass, so the ass cheeks come through and I like sent a picture of it to my spanking lover and he didn't like clock that it was a skirt. Like, he was like cute shorts. And so then when I saw him the next day, I just wore it under my like, long over shirt thing, and it was discovered and very much appreciated.

00:02:17:22 - 00:02:39:11

Luna

I was like, this is a great target using spanking. So that was super fucking hot. I want to try it with size because it kept writing up a little bit, but I am fucking into it and I want to wear it out in public. You know, we're kind of like sharing that fantasy of like here's like, so you could be wearing this at dinner and then I could just like, know I don't want to binge find a binge watch over my knee.

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Luna

So that was super fucking hot.

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Kathy

Does that spanking session and with full on sex, like, is that spanking like the foreplay? And you get really hot for that and then you fuck with that skirt on. Like, how does that scenario end?

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Luna

Well, it depends. It depends on the day. The thing that I adore about this lover is like, yes, we fuck, but also like P and V, sex is not the main focus of our connection. Like he thinks me a lot. It does. It turns me on. It makes me so wet. So I read a book recently called Sex and Shakespeare, and this was just like maybe a month and a half ago.

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Luna

And I remember being like, Like, wow. So this is her whole sexuality. Like, it's this more so than that. And I'm like, I identify with that. However, I do get super fucking wet when I get spanked and he gets hard and that's so hot. And I'm in a moment where I am loving blowjobs. And I don't know if it's because this person in particular, like, enjoys receiving them so much.

00:03:38:05 - 00:03:57:08

Luna

So it feels extra good for me to give them. But sometimes it's just I mean, it's not just. But sometimes I'm so extremely satisfied by his cock in my mouth and he is spanking me. I don't even know configuration wise. Like I don't know what's happening half the time, but I feel like when there is a cock in my mouth, I can take so many more spanks, so much harder for so much longer.

00:03:57:10 - 00:04:11:21

Luna

And I really get off on having the bruises. Like I don't come from spanking. That's not the point for me. Although I did talk to someone who has. So yeah, so for me it's part of the like, oh no. Oh, that's a great question, Kathy. I don't know if it's foreplay or during play.

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Kathy

Well, listen, I know that there was a whole other school of thought and I'm on the other side of it. Right. And I learned this by doing my show.

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Luna

You take sides, and I just love everything.

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Kathy

Yeah. So we're different. That's why we're having this conversation. It's good to have two people that are different. Yeah, there's a lot of people that believe that. And I'm one of them. Like, I'm going to give you my standpoint for like what group I'm a part of. Like the part where like if I'm going to have sex, it has to add an orgasm or I did it, like finish the meal.

00:04:43:02 - 00:05:02:22

Kathy

It's kind of like you're hungry, go out to dinner, but you didn't eat the food. You know, that's how I always saw it until I started doing my show. And once I started doing my show, I talked to so many people, especially in that world that I think you exist in, which is the Bdsm kink world, where that does not have to be a part of it.

00:05:02:22 - 00:05:18:02

Kathy

And like they schooled me on that and taught me and made me realize that a lot of times, you know, it's like the guy that goes to the dungeon, he doesn't want to like, blow. He's not there. He wants to live with that feeling even longer. If he doesn't come, you know, like kind of that's what it's about.

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Kathy

Because to me, I'm like, if you get so wet and you're getting spanked and you got his cock in your mouth and you're so horny and you can't come from spanking, how are you? Not like, fucking put it in and, you know, get me over that mountain, you know? I mean, like, get me off.

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Luna

Oh, I do big. I mean, there's moments two where, like, I'll flip over or I'll, like, need his hands in my pussy. Like he's really good at fingering me too. And so, like, I love to have a cock in my mouth while that's happening. Like, I love to feel kind of the loop. I also am such an experience oriented person.

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Luna

Like, I don't know, I come all the time at home and I do come with him. It's just I'm not trying to get to the orgasm and I don't come from spanks.

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Kathy

That spanking session that you just told me that you went over with the spanking skirt, he was like, what the fuck? Like, that's so hard. He's spanking you. You're getting wet. I don't know if his dick was in your mouth, but I wanted to know, like, did you come at the end of that session? I don't know that I got the answer.

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Luna

Oh, I didn't come at the end. I came in the beginning. Middle, maybe, I don't know, I don't keep track of the timeline so specifically, but like, yeah, he made me come first. My mouth was all over him.

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Kathy

Oh, okay. So there was like an orgasm in that scenario, but it wasn't from the spanking. It was maybe before or whatever. I was just wondering because in the Bdsm world, sometimes there isn't the orgasm is kind of interesting to me because I always want the orgasm, but, you know, so I was like, oh, are you just like getting spanked and leaving, like soaking wet or having sex at the end because you're like, dying for it because it's like the best foreplay ever.

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Luna

No, this one definitely wants to make me come. And sometimes I do prefer more edging. Or especially if it's like, you know, sometimes I don't want to have an oxytocin dump with a partner. And I'm just an experimentalist too. So I like all of it. And I really love I really get turned on by like adventure and the excitement of my partner.

00:07:05:00 - 00:07:21:20

Luna

Like I'm finding that is just the hardest thing for me. And so it's not about having like a deep personal emotional connection where we're going to put all our lives and finances together. It's more about like, are we in the right now? Is this hot for both of us? And that is like what takes me to the next level and usually gets me closer to an orgasm, you know?

00:07:21:22 - 00:07:25:21

Luna

But if I don't come during a session, then I'm definitely going to masturbate. What about earlier?

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Kathy

Yeah, no, that's what I learned. I mean, like I said, I always want to have an orgasm at the end, an end at. But I did learn through doing my show. Like I said, especially people in the Bdsm world where that doesn't have to be the end all be all. Because when sometimes when people are like, telling me their hot sex stories and then at the end they're like, and I never have been able to orgasm, and I never orgasm with these people.

00:07:46:19 - 00:07:58:12

Kathy

You know, if I'm talking to a hot wife, I had a hot wife on once and she was like, and I never have orgasms with these guys. I'm like, so why do you do it? You know? But I learned that for some people, it doesn't have to have an orgasm for it to be completely pleasurable.

00:07:58:17 - 00:08:14:06

Luna

Yeah, it's all different things. My personal origin was like not having orgasms because I like, didn't know how with a partner and I was too anxious. And so I think I also just like have always gotten off on the whole, like if the whole experience is good. And again, I get a lot of people that are like, oh, they should always make you comfortable.

00:08:14:08 - 00:08:32:08

Luna

And I'm like, yes, yeah, yes. If that is what you want, you should definitely get that from your partners. You should definitely communicate about it. It's not always like my top priority because I would rather just see what unfolds. This is also what I'm loving about phone sex. Like it's so fun and just finding the overlap with the people at like move, you know?

00:08:32:11 - 00:08:39:02

Luna

And that is not always about coming. Sometimes that's about edging and but then I'm in the more dominant role too. So I don't know if you have other thinking questions.

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Kathy

No, no no. Go to phone sex. That was the perfect segue.

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Luna

Okay, so I actually haven't officially had regular phone sex. Still, I had one brief video call. The person said the power went out. I think maybe someone walked in because they were talking very quietly anyway, so I never got to actually do the video call. But I've mostly on Sex Panther been exchanging like voice memos, photos and videos with people, and it has been so fucking hot to hear what people are into.

00:09:06:05 - 00:09:30:10

Luna

I have trampled someone in fantasy. I have received lots of goddess worship, and then I've been asking people for like detailed tutorials about how they touch themselves because I love seeing how people touch themselves. So I've been getting like very specific videos and just like fun fantasy is like I was someone's wife and we, you know, there was a cook fantasy happening and we couldn't let the conservative family find out.

00:09:30:10 - 00:09:47:16

Luna

They'd make us get divorced, you know? So it's been really fun and really playful and like, because I'm using the platform Sex Panther, because my one partner who was far away, who I have a crush on, like we're not at the phone sex level yet, like, we haven't had regular sex yet, so I don't know, I don't I to initiate it, although I feel like that's a stepping stone I could do.

00:09:47:16 - 00:10:08:03

Luna

But whatever. Divine timing, it's been very interesting because people are more likely to reach out to me via text and then I'll respond. I love to use voice, photo, and video, but I'm realizing for myself, like I love having a good reason to engage with someone. And so if I don't know what they're into, I'm sort of like, excuse me, I need to know something about you.

00:10:08:03 - 00:10:24:14

Luna

I can get inspired very easily, but not by a vacuum. You know? So that's the part that I found very, very interesting about, like, engaging with people. And then just like once someone does share, I feel such a hot sense of permission to just play. And it's been really, really fun. Like. And people I love like they're so fun.

00:10:24:14 - 00:10:26:15

Luna

They're so creative. I haven't had any like negative.

00:10:26:16 - 00:10:38:16

Kathy

So that's a line though. Like a where can people find that. Like it's I feel like some guys are like what I could like, you know, call up and leave a message and tell her exactly what I want and she's going to, like, sell me backpacks and shit. Like, how do people get on that?

00:10:38:20 - 00:10:57:20

Luna

Sex Panther is the platform. So if you just go to Sex panther.com/will like wild. That's my profile. And so people add me. I'm still learning to use it. I'm only a couple weeks in and I haven't I haven't been doing it every night. Kathy I've been doing it sporadically because I really I'm not a schedules person other than recordings.

00:10:57:20 - 00:11:23:00

Luna

But yeah, anyone can sign up and so they pay me. I think that's the other thing that feels so juicy, yummy and good about it is I don't know if you or I mean, I feel like you probably are in the same boat where, like, I receive so much energy that I didn't ask for from people who don't introduce themselves, who expect me to go meet them in the world like I had a person recently be like, hey, you know, I'm going to be in California like hours away from you.

00:11:23:04 - 00:11:39:23

Luna

I would be honored if you would come meet me at the airport. And I'm like, who are you? I'm doing a big shoot this weekend. Like, if you would like to pay me more than I will make as a photographer and videographer over the next three days, like, maybe I'll cancel my plans and come hang out. But like, you didn't send a LinkedIn profile.

00:11:39:23 - 00:11:59:02

Luna

You didn't say anything about yourself. You don't say anything. That's a pretty fucking big expectation. And so to have people come on to Sex Panther and like you know, pay me for a voice memo or a video or a call like it's hot. Like, I think that's so hot because I've had so many experiences in my life where, like, I haven't felt appreciated or respected.

00:11:59:02 - 00:12:05:03

Luna

And so to have people show up and clearly be like, hey, you know, you're a goddess and I'll show you, you know, ad hoc, I think.

00:12:05:09 - 00:12:12:03

Kathy

What have been the kinds of things that guys want. What's that you like? You said goddess worship, which you love. What is that?

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Luna

That's just them telling me how beautiful I am and what they would like to do to me, you know?

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Kathy

Oh, I thought it was like a specific fantasy.

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Luna

I mean, for some people, I think in real life it is. And, you know, it's definitely something that I've been exploring over the last year or two as I'm like, okay, I am practicing all of my receiving. I'm practicing, you know, I have a degradation kink. And being an out loud public figure in the sexual realm, that's not a helpful kink for making money, which, you know, I'm gaining friends like you who are helping me, you know, know my own value.

00:12:44:18 - 00:13:05:09

Luna

And so being this goddess, feeling like worship pleasure on my body or like in the fantasy of on my body that that's so hot to me and having people just offered to serve me or having someone be like, yes, goddess, I would be so happy to have your spit all over me to turn into a puddle. You know, like, I don't know, it's just silly, it's playful and it's fun.

00:13:05:09 - 00:13:22:03

Luna

And interestingly, it's very easy for me to go into a dominant persona, at least through the internet so far. You know, like, I mean, I have some experience leading people, but never like as a Dom in real life because I'm like, no, you would have to pay me for that. And I'm not, you know, I'm not working as a proton right now.

00:13:22:03 - 00:13:48:03

Luna

So, yeah, it's been really hot. Like some of the intro messages are such sweet invitations. And I found that it's also inspiring me to create better invitations for people, like getting a message from someone that's like, hello? You know, do you like to trample weak, pathetic men? And I'm like, as a matter of fact, I do, you know, especially when they deserve like, yes, you know, and then finding ways to get more information in character, like in that role play had someone else be like, hey, babe.

00:13:48:03 - 00:14:04:06

Luna

Like, you know, do you want to do a role play fantasy, which I love that explicit communication out loud of like, hey, I'm acknowledging this as role play fantasy, where, you know, we're high school sweethearts and we're married, but like you fuck so many other dudes and I get so jealous. And so I was like, babe, I love it when you pretend to be a stranger, you know?

00:14:04:06 - 00:14:30:13

Luna

Like, it's just so fun. Because I haven't had very many playful partners in the realm of role play like I've initiated in the past. And my early experiences really got shot down. And so this feels like liberating and healing. And I'm also great. You know, I'm grateful that in real life, I have a couple of play partners who are adventurous, and it's a little like, yes, there's a little dynamic, but it's a little more like, you know, not formal roleplay, not formal Bdsm, just like down to go for adventure.

00:14:30:13 - 00:14:35:20

Luna

But I'm just realizing I love playful people who are like, in touch with their sexy parts.

00:14:36:00 - 00:14:37:12

Kathy

And does it turn you on?

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Luna

Oh yeah.

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Kathy

Yeah, yeah. That's interesting. Like for the guys, you know what I mean? Or even if it's the women, I don't know if it's men and women, but I mean, for someone to know that this is something that you're doing and it really turns you on, I think that that's always like, the best I know.

00:14:50:16 - 00:15:12:13

Luna

Well, maybe I shouldn't even say that out loud, though, because then I know so many messages. Because I get so many messages from people, random strangers around the world who, I don't know, maybe they do or don't realize that literally thousands of people listen to us like hundreds of thousands of people listen, you know, and but they think that because I like it, I should give them my attention and energy and turn on for free.

00:15:12:19 - 00:15:14:21

Kathy

I know they have to go to Sex Panther.

00:15:15:02 - 00:15:27:16

Luna

Yes, but I have to train so many people, even people who like me, and then they want to share their fantasy. Then I get it. But I'm just like, well, are you going to treat me with the care and attention that you would a regular? Are you going to fix my age, or are you going to pay for a new, like, everything, you know?

00:15:27:17 - 00:15:45:05

Luna

So it's like, I don't know. I've noticed that societally there seems to be a pattern where when a woman likes sex a lot, we devalue her unless she's like, nope, I'm a goddess. Pay me. And so I'm working my way into that. And it's, you know, I think the more gross messages like, I don't know, do you have experiences like this?

00:15:45:05 - 00:15:49:11

Luna

Like if people just kind of boundary pushing or wanting more than you're actually offering.

00:15:49:11 - 00:16:05:20

Kathy

Not really, I'll say that, but I will say that my phone sex story gone wrong was a guy I do offer on the side for people that don't want to come on the show, and they're afraid, even if I change their voice, they're going to be busted. They could have a private call with me. I happen to love my private calls.

00:16:05:20 - 00:16:25:06

Kathy

They are the most interesting stories fucking ever. I can't even tell you. I'm always like, at the end, like, oh my God, I wish you would have. I would have been able to air this. They're so good. I get like really twisted in depth of many layered stories on those calls. But recently I had a young guy call and I could tell he was jerking off.

00:16:25:06 - 00:16:41:10

Kathy

And I don't do phone sex. Sorry. Like, I'm very clear. I'm just a host of a show. I don't share my sex life. Like that's like a separate part of me. Like I said, I'm not a sex worker. I'm a host of a show, and I talk to people about their sex lives. So this young guy was obviously jerking off.

00:16:41:10 - 00:16:59:01

Kathy

And, you know, they pay me upfront before they book the call, right? So I already have his money and I'm like, listen, I am not going to sit here and get you off. But I started asking him questions, you know, and those questions led to him revealing to me, he's like, you know, in his late 20s, he's still a virgin.

00:16:59:02 - 00:17:19:08

Kathy

You know, I wound up giving him like 45 minutes of therapy, and he was so grateful. And I'm like, like when you wanted to have phone sex call the phone sex person, you could get off, but, like, that's not what I'm here for. What I'm here for is what we just did, which is I pulled out the fact that this guy was living in fantasy land and dude paying for sex all the time instead of living his real life.

00:17:19:08 - 00:17:33:04

Kathy

And that's why he's still a virgin. And as long as he does that, he's never going to get out there. You know, he's so afraid of rejection and dealing with the stuff that real people have to do. When you enter into your real life and you go out and try to meet real people, you know what I mean?

00:17:33:04 - 00:17:51:04

Kathy

And so I wound up, like helping him and so I see those kinds of opportunities sometimes as, like I try it like in that situation, I turned it around and I loved that. And we had an amazing conversation. And he was so grateful, you know? So I always have a lot of that in my show. And that's where I always take my show.

00:17:51:04 - 00:18:04:04

Kathy

So I think I get more of people that are really coming to me when they're at the place where they do want to hear the right thing. And even that guy, I said, you didn't call me because you want to phone sex, because on some level you knew that wasn't going to go fucking down. You know me. You know my show.

00:18:04:04 - 00:18:18:05

Kathy

You know I was going to do it. So subconsciously, this is what you needed and this is where you're at. And that's a good thing, you know, as far as what? Because that's just what I do. But I have tons of people on that. Do what you do. And it's a matter. I mean, this is a big part of your bucket list, right?

00:18:18:07 - 00:18:34:19

Kathy

Because we've talked off air that you really want to go more down that road to be a sex worker and get paid, but do it in a certain way. And because you're also a host of a show, you have to figure out those boundaries. And I think, you know, you'll get there through experience and and through figuring it out.

00:18:34:19 - 00:18:52:19

Kathy

But I do think because you're going into this other place, you have to learn a whole new way. You know, I'm not in that world. So it's easy for me to keep clear boundaries, you know? But you're kind of in two different worlds now, right? So it's going to be a little bit difficult to navigate at first, but you'll figure it out and they'll figure it out.

00:18:52:22 - 00:19:03:15

Luna

Yeah. Well and I just think it's so generous, gracious and kind of you that you didn't just immediately. And his session. Yeah. That you like let him transition into something. Did he stop touching himself.

00:19:03:16 - 00:19:21:02

Kathy

Yeah. Oh yeah. No without it. Yeah. No no no that totally ended. I mean as long as I was hearing that noise I'm like, it's not going to happen. But I have learned that, you know, sometimes when people are doing things like that oversexualized, you know, sort of pushing boundaries in a sexual way that, you know, they're calling out for help, you know?

00:19:21:02 - 00:19:42:07

Kathy

So I try not to shut that down immediately and try to get to the underlying issue, which I did get to. I love that that's what I do best and that's what I enjoy, you know? So I actually really helped him. And that's why I do my show to get that kind of stuff. Listen, I also like talking to people that are just healthy and having sex and just fucking love it and are getting spanked and wet and beloved cock in their mouth.

00:19:42:07 - 00:19:54:22

Kathy

That's all great stuff too, you know? But if somebody is doing something like that, I don't tend to just shut it down, because I do believe that people act out sexually and it's for a reason, you know, there's something behind it. Oh, you know.

00:19:54:23 - 00:19:57:10

Luna

I mean, that's what we learn through our shows, right? Like, more than anything.

00:19:57:10 - 00:19:58:14

Kathy

Yeah, exactly.

00:19:58:14 - 00:20:21:06

Luna

You know, and to go back to your point from that story about the fear around rejection, I think that's part of what I'm experiencing. So I'm learning I'm a safe container where people feel like they can share all their desires. And that's true to an extent. But the number of times in the last six months I've had dudes in my real life who I am not romantically engaged with, who haven't invited me to do anything, who haven't added value in my life.

00:20:21:06 - 00:20:49:17

Luna

You know, who are just wanting. But they come up to me like, while I feel like I could share this with you, just so you know, I would fuck you. I'm available for it and I just feel like you're a safe space, I can tell. And I'm like, well, yes. And also, that's only part of the conversation. And what I learned when I was working with the pickup artists way back in the day, you know, that's where I initially was like, oh, rejection doesn't matter because I, you know, my whole early origin story is getting rejected and it's just a numbers game and rejection is just filtration.

00:20:49:17 - 00:21:15:23

Luna

And so as I'm squiggling into the Hauraki and learning really what you're talking about, every single section like has different expectations, different like types of people who engage in those ways. And you know, so as I'm interviewing dominatrix, you know, the episode that just came out today, she works as an online phone sex doll at night flirt. But she also does, you know, real life, in-person, independent work.

00:21:15:23 - 00:21:36:10

Luna

And so hearing kind of the different textures of the people that she works with and then kind of like learning my own versions. And then so far I've had the zero boundary pushers, like through OnlyFans sex paint, like anyone who wants to pay, has been really sweet and lovely. It's all the people that like want to get stuff for free, but I'm like, you can have my time, energy and attention for free.

00:21:36:10 - 00:21:43:16

Luna

If you apply to be a guest on Sex Stories or Share Story or come meet me in the park, great. Beyond that, like, what are we doing here, Penny?

00:21:43:21 - 00:22:03:18

Kathy

Right. And I and I think that that's a part of you. The clearer you get about what you're doing and where you're at is, you know, the clearer the people will be that are showing up at your doorstep. That's just always the way that it is. So the fact that you're getting clearer about it and you haven't had any bad experiences because you know what the fuck you're doing, you know what I mean?

00:22:03:18 - 00:22:25:11

Kathy

It's like, it's to me, it's like what you put out, you get back. I've talked to some really vile women in. I was two of them in this business, in the fetish sort of world. They were girls that, you know, that charge for their stuff, and they wrote me really vicious things about the guys that they had experience.

00:22:25:11 - 00:22:48:21

Kathy

And one of them was a fan of mine who I had a very long relationship with, and he was nothing but fucking cool with me. And she had like the opposite experience. And it was so toxic in this whole story. And I was like, you know, it's so interesting that because you come from your petty, vile place where you don't even see these people as human beings, you know, and you're just taking them running, you could give a fuck that you have that experience.

00:22:48:21 - 00:23:06:05

Kathy

I've dealt with the same person and he's been nothing but lovely to me, you know? So I think you get what you put out, you know? And so for the girls that are just in it and they're taking money and they think these guys are fucking assholes because she said really rude things, you know, then that's why you get that kind of behavior back to you.

00:23:06:05 - 00:23:22:12

Kathy

I don't get that. I get respect because I respect the people that are on my show and the people that call in and the people with all kinds of fetishes, you know? So I think that that's just a very true statement. And that's why you've just encountered sweet people. You're a sweet person. You're you know, you and you're clear about what you're doing.

00:23:22:12 - 00:23:23:15

Kathy

So it's all good.

00:23:23:17 - 00:23:42:16

Luna

Yeah. And any of the weird messages that I get just through email tend to be people who are clearly on something, cause there's a lot of typos. It's at a weird time in the middle of the night, you know, and, you know, any time that there is any sort of violence, whether it's just being vile, rude, you know, looking at someone as a trick or an object instead of a human being.

00:23:42:16 - 00:24:04:11

Luna

And, you know, you kind of lose that compassion. I'm like, all right, well, that person has definitely been traumatized in some way, shape or form. And that's been I think the hardest part about my horror research is I'm like, okay, I've this is a big conversation about my personal privilege as an artist and a creator, and there's so much trauma in the backgrounds of everything I'm reading and learning.

00:24:04:11 - 00:24:18:02

Luna

And, you know, at the same time, I think that where we are in our personal growth and evolution, you know, like those ladies who are being rude to those people, if those people are interacting with them, maybe some part of them wants to get treated shitty subconsciously. So I'm like, all right, well, we're all doing oh.

00:24:18:02 - 00:24:34:01

Kathy

No, consciously that's what. No, no no no, that's conscious. That's that whole set up. Yeah. That was a set up where it's like a paper bag set up. You know, I mean there is a negative connotation. So that's a key. No no no no no. But this was no no no. But the email that I got from this person was a separate story.

00:24:34:01 - 00:24:53:01

Kathy

She the guy didn't show me the interaction between them, her being rude to him. She was telling me rude things about my guests that I knew. Do you understand her experience? She was showing me exactly who she was. And we all know that there's people in every field that are doing it for the wrong reason. That's what I'm saying.

00:24:53:01 - 00:25:12:00

Kathy

Those people get that type of behavior. I don't get that kind of experience. I see the real people and the good stuff. She got a different thing, and I felt like it was her take on it, because she was kind of like a petty person, that I had zero respect for men with this fetish and was just doing it to take their cash.

00:25:12:00 - 00:25:26:12

Kathy

And like, I got that a pay pig wants to be treated like shit, but he should be treated like shit by somebody who, like, is doing that service in a positive way to help people. Sorry. And there are women out there that do that from the right, and it's all about intention, you know?

00:25:26:13 - 00:25:28:15

Luna

Yeah, I really resonate with that.

00:25:28:17 - 00:25:30:03

Kathy

So what about your flogging?

00:25:30:07 - 00:25:41:11

Luna

So flogging okay. There's not too much to say. I need to take that. I need to like, make pictures or video. I need to find a human subject. I'm sure I could very easily. But again, it's like, who do I choose? How do I decide? And so yeah, I have the read vloggers.

00:25:41:13 - 00:25:46:15

Kathy

What about Layla? You are going to get to the are going to get to a place where you're doing some shit with Layla.

00:25:46:17 - 00:26:01:07

Luna

I feel like Layla is going to be in charge of me. That is part of the later update. I mean, yeah, I guess Layla history is as a submissive, but so here's the thing about all the bucket list thing so far. Yeah, I'm not really documenting them because I don't have a crew, I don't have bandwidth, I haven't had partners that are open to being open.

00:26:01:07 - 00:26:20:03

Luna

So I think this is all like testing. And then I think in the future when I find professionals to work with, then I'll do that. I have gotten a couple of like outreaches from people that are like, you know, newbie, novice, sweetie pies. But I'm like, well, I don't have the bandwidth to like, do the production and teach you and interview you and fuck you.

00:26:20:03 - 00:26:39:07

Luna

And like, that's too much for a single creator by myself. Like, that's the future TV show. When I have a crew like we can interview and talk, then I think that's just where I am right now is I guess I could vlog Layla, I just couldn't make a video off. So. But I have been interviewing so many. Dominatrix is who like want to give me pain and or down to put it on camera.

00:26:39:07 - 00:26:49:14

Luna

So that's just a matter of scheduling. And that's something I think, you know, with two professionals who are used to being on camera, who understand kind of how it works. I'm really excited for those collaborations. So that's in the future.

00:26:49:20 - 00:26:52:22

Kathy

That's added to your list. Okay. That's no one's my list.

00:26:52:22 - 00:26:58:14

Luna

Yes. And yeah. And so that's okay. So I should update you on the masturbation vacation.

00:26:58:16 - 00:27:04:23

Kathy

Oh my god. But I know it's a fail already. What does that mean. Like how do you not masturbate? Did you not masturbate for all weekend did you?

00:27:05:01 - 00:27:23:17

Luna

I didn't record anything I like aroused myself a lot. I ended up only doing one night because the Airbnb that I had, like, had my heart set on. Only had one night available in all of July. And I was like, what? So I have to really, like plan in advance. So I think this is helpful. So I'm going to get something on the books for the next few weeks after we talk.

00:27:23:19 - 00:27:39:07

Luna

I ended up feeling nauseous, like once I got like, I don't know if it was something I ate. I don't know if it like I drank a lot of water, you know, like I was in the desert. I went to Joshua Tree, so I took that as an opportunity. You know, I did some photoshoots and I just sort of, like, let myself chill for a night.

00:27:39:07 - 00:27:52:21

Luna

There was a beautiful pool. There was a beautiful hot tub. Like, I just enjoyed myself and like, let myself kind of take it easy because I was like, well, it's not sexy to push through and like create content because I said I, you know, I don't create from that sort of place. I really want everything to feel good.

00:27:52:21 - 00:28:10:05

Luna

Otherwise what's the point? That's why I'm hit or miss on social media. That's why I'm like working on the newsletter. I just can't. I have to be in the real world and live my life. And so it was a huge turn on and a very good practice and did not achieve my goal. And it just makes me want to go back with a lover.

00:28:10:05 - 00:28:33:13

Luna

And I was telling Layla, she's like, no, you got to focus on your masturbation vacation. And I was like, well, yeah, like, yes. And what I'm going to do when I go back next time, like I because I've planned it all out like, OMG, yes was a sponsor last year. So I have access to their whole catalog and you know, they have all the different ways that you can like touch your pussy and like they literally have an interactive thing that I think is strange on the computer where you like use the mouse to go up, down, let you know all these different formations.

00:28:33:18 - 00:28:48:02

Luna

And I've never done all of those things to myself a little bit I have, but Layla was like, no, you need at least two nights to yourself if you're going to invite a lover, you need three nights total and they can come in the middle night, but then you need your solo time before and you need integration time after.

00:28:48:02 - 00:29:08:10

Luna

And I got really turned on by that and called it a fuck sandwich. And so like, I've just been dreaming about, like doing Layla fuck sandwiches like once a month or every other month. And then, you know, at some point she and I also have decided that we are going to, like, meet up somewhere at an Airbnb and watch a bunch of ethical porn because we're both like, we need to research more porn.

00:29:08:10 - 00:29:24:21

Luna

You know, like, I've been watching the porn of my friends who have been interviewing and like, learning more about that world. And she got really excited when I was like, maybe you could help make slutty content of me. Yeah. So we're talking about, like, her kind of directing me in future stuff. And would you give us recommendations for porn to watch?

00:29:24:23 - 00:29:41:08

Kathy

Yeah. I mean, like, you mean what kinds I like and stuff, and, you know, I don't know, like, I'm not one nowadays. A porn so different than when I grow up. It's kind of like you never look at the same thing again. And it's kind of like the way the wind blows, like what I'm into. And maybe you just go and you just want a quickie.

00:29:41:08 - 00:30:03:15

Kathy

I mean, I use porn when I just want a quickie, and there's all different types of things that I'm into depending on the day, you know what I mean? It could be so many different things, so it's hard to recommend it. It's like saying what you know, if we want to go eat food three nights from now, I'm like, ask me that day what I want because I might feel like Mexican today, but three days later I want sushi.

00:30:03:15 - 00:30:05:12

Kathy

I don't know until that time, you know what I mean?

00:30:05:18 - 00:30:12:11

Luna

No, but both Layla and I were like, where do we start? We need to research. You know, because I've again, I've just.

00:30:12:12 - 00:30:13:19

Kathy

Go on Pornhub.

00:30:13:19 - 00:30:31:05

Luna

I know. Well, that's that's so that's the thing is, like, I want to know that the person is getting paid for it, that it was consensual, that it's, you know, Pornhub is of legal age. But like, I want to know that it's kind of like benefiting the models and performers. So we're looking at a lot more like indie stuff or stuff produced by these different places.

00:30:31:05 - 00:30:40:16

Kathy

Right. That's the ethical part of it. Yeah. That's what I was confused about, you know, like what that meant to you guys and what that conversation was about. That's of course of that stuff is important. Yeah.

00:30:40:19 - 00:30:59:22

Luna

So for me going on Pornhub for the last decade, I don't really do it because it puts me in producer brain when the content is medium or not good. You know. And yeah I think like I just literally go into producer director mode and that's not hot for me. And I'm not a person that's like, oh, amateur stuff.

00:30:59:22 - 00:31:17:14

Luna

Only I'm not like that at all. I have a lot of friends who are professionals, but it's like beyond watching their stuff, I'm like, okay, what next? You know, like, and do I want to watch only mainstream stuff and like, what? You know, so it's funny though, because I was just talking to someone who did a private call with me and he was like, you just over complicate things?

00:31:17:14 - 00:31:18:14

Luna

No. I was like.

00:31:18:14 - 00:31:20:16

Kathy

Well, hahahahahahahaha.

00:31:20:18 - 00:31:37:22

Luna

I hear that. I hear that a lot. I've heard that from people. I don't know how to help my brain filter better other than by doing this, you know, other than by like, who fucking have a bucket list with over 400 and something erotic items on it and can't like decide which way to start. Like, I clearly have an issue filtering, right?

00:31:37:22 - 00:31:39:02

Luna

Right.

00:31:39:04 - 00:32:08:05

Kathy

So I would assume Pornhub then would be way too much information, right? Wildly, just like so many different things. You know, I feel like when I'm googling porn or I want to get myself off and it's a quickie kind of thing, I do find that like, I will just go through my brain, think about what's the thing that's like the biggest turn on to me right now, today, you know, in this moment, and then Google that, look for the hottest looking thing and then play it and then maybe, you know, five videos later I'll get it and be done with that kind of thing quick.

00:32:08:09 - 00:32:23:14

Kathy

I like, but I'm very specific. You know, I used to say I'm like oddly specific. I mean, you know, if you give me that, like, right now, I could tell you exactly what I'm into right now. Like, I'm specific like that. So that's what I'll do. I'll just go. And so nothing else will really be that interesting to me.

00:32:23:14 - 00:32:40:09

Kathy

But I think that that's the problem with porn, though nowadays, is there is too much. You know, back in my day, you didn't live in my time. It was so much hotter because like, literally, you would find, like your friend's stash or porn or you would get one porno, you know, like a year, and you would just live off of that.

00:32:40:09 - 00:33:15:18

Kathy

And it was like the top of the fucking mountain every time, because it wasn't available. And you'll never get to get that experience nowadays because you're just inundated and there's so much of it and it's so easily accessible. Whereas like when I was younger, it really wasn't. So it was harder in a way. And I think that OnlyFans is definitely changing the porn game, and I think it's changing it for the better, because, you know, a lot of people that I have on my show who are doing OnlyFans now are real people that are getting off on people watching them, that are getting off on like what you're getting off on, like turning guys on,

00:33:15:18 - 00:33:32:23

Kathy

letting them watch them, getting off on them, you know, that's the real deal. That's what everyone's going to porn for, right? They just want to see real people that who love sex. And a lot of times that's not happening in porn. Whereas on OnlyFans, I think there's just a lot of content creators that are creating that amateur stuff that we all wanted.

00:33:32:23 - 00:33:51:21

Kathy

I know that's what I always wanted. I don't want to see a girl who's dry and who's faking an orgasm. I want to see a real orgasm, a real wet person, you know what I mean? I want to see the real deal. And I think that, you know, what's killer about only fans is you could find those people out there that are really doing it because they fucking love it.

00:33:51:23 - 00:34:07:06

Luna

Yeah, well, and every time I interview, like a hot wife or a hot wife couple, I'm like, damn, they exist. I need a stag, I need a cock, I need, you know, I need someone who, like, wants to go share me and like, organize those things and like, that's the content channel. That would be so fucking hot.

00:34:07:08 - 00:34:24:19

Kathy

Would that be your set up in a relationship? Like if you met the guy of your dreams tomorrow that you really wanted to, you know, have a relationship with? Like what kind of relationship would you set up? I don't know that I've ever asked you that question. Sorry to take you off your bucket list, but, like, would it be, you know, would you be in a situation, a, an open relationship?

00:34:24:19 - 00:34:26:12

Kathy

And how would that look for you?

00:34:26:13 - 00:34:46:16

Luna

Absolutely. Open relationship. I am not monogamous unless I've been thinking about this. The way that I would consider monogamy currently is if someone wanted to marry me for a set amount of time and I knew, like what? You know, I knew what I was going to get in the divorce. We had a project based marriage for a certain number of weeks or months or a year.

00:34:46:17 - 00:35:01:01

Luna

You know, I think I would go up to for the first one, I would do like a year at a time if I really liked them already. But other than that, I'm not monogamous. And even in a monogamous relationship, I would need like an extreme hall pass situation in case a really beautiful opportunity bloomed in front of me.

00:35:01:01 - 00:35:17:22

Kathy

All right, forget about monogamy though. So we're in a non-monogamous relationship. How does that look like? How is that set up? You do you solo play? Do you play together? All of the above. Like how would you like to do you like to have your partner go fuck other women? Do you want to fuck other guys? All of the above.

00:35:17:22 - 00:35:21:03

Kathy

Like what exactly is the open relationship? What you are.

00:35:21:05 - 00:35:56:21

Luna

All of that. So here's the thing. I have been warned strongly by my sex worker friends of like, don't look for that. That will attract people who want to take advantage of you, you know? And at the same time, how can I help but be like totally obsessed with my porn star friends, husbands who, like, bring them food and encourage them and then like, reclaim them after a shoot and or help them organize stuff and or like, just like get turned on by their porn and or participate and or sit there and watch, you know, like Jay is so hot.

00:35:56:23 - 00:35:58:12

Luna

It's like that set up. Oh.

00:35:58:14 - 00:36:03:00

Kathy

Oh, the, the guy that has a hot wife and he has a bowl and now he's a stag.

00:36:03:05 - 00:36:25:16

Luna

Yeah, but he has like tendencies of cock. Like for me, a guy or girl who has dominant tendencies and is a sharer and at the end of the day, like, wants me to be theirs. Like is the person that's going to reclaim me. That is the hardest. If they would like to be on camera, that is my dream come true.

00:36:25:16 - 00:36:46:00

Luna

If they also happen to be like me, the producer type who is good with a camera, that would be a fucking dream come true. I have incredibly responsive desire and yes, in my perfect world, I have a partner that you know we have synced up attractions to other partners. I would love to date a person who is pansexual.

00:36:46:00 - 00:37:03:22

Luna

I have a big fantasy about also just being like a regular third of a couple, because I have a lot of fear around getting crowded and suffocated, and I just haven't had an experience with a romantic relationship that makes any logical sense to keep one in my life regularly. You know, like, I'm like, add value though, beyond fucking like I now have other ways to like, fuck.

00:37:03:22 - 00:37:17:11

Luna

But that used to be my kind of like impetus for getting into a relationship. And I only have had two boyfriends, one girlfriend who had a husband and a master. So like, it takes a lot to trick me into a relationship. I've never gotten into a relationship on purpose.

00:37:17:11 - 00:37:34:10

Kathy

Like for me, right? If I were to have a boyfriend that showed up in my life tomorrow and I would like a relationship actually now finally for once in my life. But I would want it to be open and I really enjoy for my guy to go out and fuck other girls and tell me about it. Like, I think that that's hot.

00:37:34:10 - 00:37:35:10

Luna

Like I think so too.

00:37:35:11 - 00:37:49:14

Kathy

Not talk about reality. We're talking fantasy land. You have exactly what you want. What does that look like? I was just wondering what your kinks were like. Do you get turn or do you have a little bit of a cock queen in you? Do you also have a little bit of, like, the hot wife in you where you'd go and fuck other guys?

00:37:49:14 - 00:38:07:14

Kathy

I never thought I would, but the other day when I was talking to someone about it, I was like, you know, like if my guy was like, oh, go out and fuck somebody because I'm into that. Because I don't like variety, and I don't just like to go out and fuck a bunch of guys. I would go to one of my booty calls like, you know, I have always a stable of them people.

00:38:07:14 - 00:38:23:07

Kathy

I've been there, done that with that I feel comfortable with. Like if my guy wanted me to go do that, I would add, maybe that would be like super hot because I know I'm doing it for him and coming home and showing him and blah, blah, blah, you know what I mean? So like, that's the kind of stuff I would be into set up in my relationship with the guy.

00:38:23:07 - 00:38:29:15

Kathy

That, of course, gives me all the other things. And then this is the way I would set it up. You know, once you have that stable thing. That's just what I was wondering.

00:38:29:18 - 00:38:53:14

Luna

Yes. I need someone who can be like, okay, she's into so much and help me focus, but I'm definitely have some cock parts, but more of a cock slut than a cock queen. I'm still learning to be in that position of power, but I love to be like the slutty a slut that like, is, you know, the secret whore like my Spanx partner right now fucks other ladies and I love hearing about it.

00:38:53:14 - 00:39:11:09

Luna

And that's brand, brand new for him. And I'm just like, you know, I don't get a lot of details, but I really, really get off on that. So I would definitely want someone who's down to play in group settings, who wants to take me to a play party and I don't have to talk, and they just tell me, you know, they make sure that I'm safe and they tell me who's going to use me tonight.

00:39:11:09 - 00:39:36:06

Luna

And they create this, you know, container. And I want the mutual like responsiveness of the hotness. Someone who it's like, excited about my bucket list. Like, I interview people who have bucket lists with their partners, and I want that. Like, that would be my perfect. You know? I mean, not that our update episodes aren't totally satisfying, but like, if I had someone who was like, sharing my bed at night who, like, every day was like, all right, babe, what are we doing this weekend?

00:39:36:07 - 00:39:37:21

Luna

I'm like, that's fucking hot.

00:39:37:23 - 00:39:44:17

Kathy

Well, aren't you doing that with your spanking guy? Like, is that person? Isn't he checking stuff off with you, that partner guy that you have in your life.

00:39:44:21 - 00:39:56:15

Luna

A little bit. It's sporadic and happenstance. It's not like a thoughtful. We're not in a romantic relationship. We're in like a fun, like fuck fest adventure. Some friendship.

00:39:56:17 - 00:40:01:02

Kathy

Well, does he know you have a bucket list? Like, maybe he'd be down to check anything off.

00:40:01:04 - 00:40:30:15

Luna

My bucket list. And I made a him specific bucket list. And we've done a few of those things, you know? And at the same time, I think the hottest, most attractive thing about having a partner or a main partner or like a consistent partner where there's emotional connection, is that extra level of excitement, you know, like people want to help me cross off bucket list stuff, but if someone wants to help me cross off bucket list stuff and like understands the multiple layers that it feeds me through, like that's so hot to me.

00:40:30:16 - 00:40:39:09

Luna

You know, normally I talk and think so much that there's like, nobody in the world who really wants to sit and listen to all of my thoughts.

00:40:39:11 - 00:40:45:00

Kathy

There's no one for everyone. There's no one for everyone. Why, if I don't come in? Yeah, 100%.

00:40:45:02 - 00:40:55:04

Luna

Here's my question for you though. Like after interviewing so many people, like there's not very many relationships out there that are super happy. Like, I know one handful from real life.

00:40:55:04 - 00:40:56:15

Kathy

I don't know that out on.

00:40:56:17 - 00:40:57:02

Luna

Really?

00:40:57:07 - 00:41:15:21

Kathy

Yeah. No, I have tons of wonderful relationships on my show. Listen, I have plenty that are cheating stories or people are living double lives, but I have a lot of relationships that have very strong foundations and had them way before they open them up, and they're open and they're still as into each other. And even in my life.

00:41:15:21 - 00:41:37:17

Kathy

Listen, I don't think it's ever the majority. The majority is always garbage. And then there's always like that ten, 15% of like, the good shit in everything, right? And the same with relationships. A lot of people are having those really complicated, difficult relationships, but we have to have those things. That's how we learn and grow. Whatever. Yeah, yeah, I know even in my life there's plenty of people that just have really solid, great relationships.

00:41:37:17 - 00:42:01:13

Kathy

Sometimes it's the third marriage that they get that, you know, sometimes if somebody is lucky enough to meet that person in fucking high school, I've heard those people, you know, everyone's life is different, but I do believe it's out there and it's available. And I don't think, though, that ones that aren't so perfect aren't valuable either. I had a lot of bad relationships, but every relationship I had taught me something and helped me with my growth.

00:42:01:13 - 00:42:19:18

Kathy

I mean, you have to sort of be in it and be having those kinds of relationships because it brings stuff to your life, even the bad ones. Sometimes the bad ones, you know, help you more than the good ones. And there's, you know, different timing for everyone. But I do believe that great relationships exist and it's just a matter of when you're ready for it or when you want it.

00:42:19:19 - 00:42:23:12

Kathy

And you have to just know that it does exist. I think that's the point.

00:42:23:14 - 00:42:33:13

Luna

Well, so here's what I wanted to ask you, actually. You're said you're open to being in a relationship, but like, what's the reason you would get in one because you're like me, but 20 years in the future.

00:42:33:15 - 00:42:59:01

Kathy

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, you know, there have been few times in my life where I really just want companionship. It's just about companionship. And I know when that happens, it becomes very clear to me I'm very like black or white, right? So most of the time I don't want a relationship. But the times that I do and I want that, like I turned the light on and I always wind up meeting someone and it's never been like the perfect relationship.

00:42:59:01 - 00:43:21:18

Kathy

It doesn't mean like, you know that. But when I want to like, engage with the guy and have that kind of thing in my life, I just have the feeling for it. And it happens. It's very rare that I have that. It's really lately why I feel like I would want that is because I feel like I spent a long time building up my shell over and over through Covid.

00:43:21:18 - 00:43:38:07

Kathy

I started like monetizing it now. Like, I kind of feel like I'm good to go with it. And I got that. And like, I'm a workaholic and all that, you know? And I have my son and he's like the love of my life. But I do feel like I could add that kind of companionship into my life. And it would be fun.

00:43:38:07 - 00:43:55:14

Kathy

And the one reason why that light bulb went off is I had a dream recently, and it was one of those dreams where it was like, so real life. And the person I put in my dream was Louis C.K. now, because he had that whole masturbating thing. But I used to always feel like if I got stuck in an elevator with him, he would, like, be obsessed with me.

00:43:55:14 - 00:44:17:20

Kathy

Like, our brains are so similar. Like, I just like people I could have good conversations with. Right? So in my dream, you know, I was in a relationship with him and I liked him so much. And when I woke up, I was like, wow, I miss that feeling. I haven't felt that feeling of liking someone and getting excited for them to text me for a really long time.

00:44:17:20 - 00:44:33:15

Kathy

It was like right before my son was born, I dated someone that I really liked, and that was the last time. So I want that feeling. I just want that feeling and that dream reminded me of it's not Louis C.K. it was the symbol of it. It reminded me of that feeling that I haven't had, that I want.

00:44:33:15 - 00:44:50:13

Kathy

And I feel like in the past, when maybe I've had those dreams before or that thought, I was like, oh, I got to do this and I got to do that. But like, right now I feel like every I'm like sort of on autopilot with everything in my life that I could tend to that part of my life and open it up and have that feeling, and it wouldn't take away from anything else in my life.

00:44:50:13 - 00:44:52:22

Kathy

It would just add to it. So that's why this.

00:44:52:22 - 00:44:57:01

Luna

Companionship, like definitely includes sex for you. Or is that a separate bucket?

00:44:57:01 - 00:45:15:04

Kathy

Yes okay. No no no no no. That companionship is definitely is sex included for sure. But I always have a booty call in my life. Like I'm always getting fucked in late by somebody, right? And I always have the same person that's doing that. The companionship to me is somebody that, you know, is like a great friend, someone that I talk to, someone that likes to do the things that I like to do.

00:45:15:05 - 00:45:30:04

Kathy

You know, in my ultimate fantasy is a guy that loves going to the movies, wants to work out with me, is into health and fitness, and loves to watch TV and analyze. I need someone that is good at conversations. That's the most important thing to me. And the last guy I dated was like that. I just loved talking to him.

00:45:30:04 - 00:45:54:23

Kathy

He was super interesting. And so that's a companionship I looking for. Someone who keeps me interested in is interesting and finds me interesting and is interested in me. And, you know, we like kind of the same things. That's what it becomes when you're old, you know, like you just want to, you know, you spend most of your life when you're young, trying to, you know, get along with people that you don't really get along with and make it work and change for them, or make them change for you.

00:45:54:23 - 00:46:07:17

Kathy

And then you get older and you're like, I don't need to hang out with anyone. I don't agree with. Like, I just want to be friends with people that believe everything I do. We're on the same fucking page is no need for all that nonsense in arguing, you know what I mean? Like you just want someone that's just easy.

00:46:07:19 - 00:46:10:04

Luna

But you love discussion of opposing.

00:46:10:06 - 00:46:30:01

Kathy

That's what I love. And debates. Oh, no, no, no. And debates for sure. But I think, you know, what's really important is that your morals and your values and stuff that has to be very aligned. You know what I mean? And I have tons of friends that are very disagreeable with me on many kinds of things. Right. But I would never date them on those important things, because on those important things were very misaligned.

00:46:30:01 - 00:46:46:07

Kathy

You know, to me, those morals and values have to be very on par, so that when we do have conversations and we are debating and we were talking, we were like on the same page, you know, so an open minded as I am and those kinds of things, I'm not, you know, dating a narcissist Republican right anymore. Right.

00:46:46:09 - 00:47:01:23

Kathy

Have been there, done that. I don't need to have those kind of arguments. I don't give a shit about changing anyone, but I don't want anyone to try and change me. So, you know, just conversations to me are like good debates and analyzing things. I like to talk, but I want somebody who's equally as interesting, you know, and that's a little hard to find sometimes.

00:47:01:23 - 00:47:20:21

Luna

I totally feel that. I also just want to fucking highlight what you said about don't try to change me. I get messages for you. Like when I've tried dating apps, even from like through the podcast. I had someone that was like, wow, you're amazing. All of these things. However, I'd like you to consider maybe divorce your brand from nudity, stop getting naked, stop doing sex related things.

00:47:20:21 - 00:47:22:12

Luna

And then you and I was like.

00:47:22:14 - 00:47:23:00

Kathy

That's not.

00:47:23:00 - 00:47:34:14

Luna

Really a part of me. Do you? Like then? Like, you want to know? And it's not the first time or the last time that I heard that. So, yeah, I'm like, you got to love me as is. Otherwise. Go away.

00:47:34:16 - 00:47:53:08

Kathy

Yeah, I think listen, it's hard to find that right person. And I think that's the reason why people do wind up settling down, because when you find it, it's not easy to find. And you're like, okay, all the stars align. Like, I like you. You like me like this doesn't happen often. I'll hang my fucking hat here. But a lot of times it's either, you know, you meet the person you like a lot of things, but you don't like that about them, and you try and change them, or they try and change you.

00:47:53:08 - 00:48:11:13

Kathy

That's just a lot of that nonsense. That happens all the time. I mean, you know, everyone's like a unique individual. It's hard to find people that are really on that same page. But I think that there is that person out there for everybody, and it's just a matter of like being, you know, really open and really clear on the fact that you're ready for it and want it and it shows up.

00:48:11:13 - 00:48:13:15

Kathy

That's how I believe. I think it's that kind of simple.

00:48:13:19 - 00:48:35:00

Luna

And as I hear you talk, I'm actually in the perfect relationship, like non-relational ship with my thanks, buddy, because it's I get summoned, you know, we have enough trust, but I feel really good about just getting summoned when I am desired. And we have set that up explicitly. Like there's a lot of respect. I grow so much, I learn so much, and we just have that kind of like mutual desire and overall.

00:48:35:00 - 00:48:38:06

Luna

And he's interesting to talk to. But we don't talk about, you know, like you're.

00:48:38:06 - 00:48:51:05

Kathy

The I was going to say when you said, I don't have a really sure I was gonna say you do though, like, that guy is a relationship just because it doesn't fit in that box of, like, of relationship of that, you know, maybe it's going to be for ten years married, white picket fence. You know, it doesn't matter.

00:48:51:05 - 00:48:52:15

Kathy

It's still a relationship.

00:48:52:15 - 00:49:00:05

Luna

We're not on a relationship escalator. We have a type of human relationship in that we are in relation to one another. Yeah.

00:49:00:05 - 00:49:15:21

Kathy

When I don't have that guy, that's the companion. All that stuff. Like I have a guy that I fuck and then I have guy friends that I go out with. I always need that guy energy in my life in a certain way, because I like men. But sometimes when it's not all one person in one package, I get it in different ways, you know?

00:49:15:21 - 00:49:21:07

Kathy

But I'm satisfying my needs in other kinds of relationships. You know, those are relationships to.

00:49:21:07 - 00:49:42:08

Luna

Yeah, honestly, one of the things that has been super hot to me is so I am also dating a couple of people, but I've been introduced for the first time in my life. Like friends are introduced, friends and lovers like this is the hardest thing I think I've unlocked in the last couple of weeks. A lover introducing me to someone I might date or fuck, but that's so hot to me.

00:49:42:08 - 00:49:44:18

Luna

So that's when I'm like, oh shit, I really got to come clean.

00:49:44:23 - 00:49:54:02

Kathy

That's a perfect way to get set up, right? Because they know you. Yeah, pimp you out because they know you and they know the other person. That's a great way.

00:49:54:02 - 00:49:54:18

Luna

So I'm feeling very.

00:49:54:18 - 00:49:56:12

Kathy

Hopeful to meet people.

00:49:56:14 - 00:50:14:18

Luna

Oh, the last thing that's Layla related is have you heard of pump water? Pump water. Pompeo. Why are and apparently it's like Google's to the next level. Like it's basically like using your pussy muscles to do things to cocks. And I'm like, I want to learn that. So that's got to be in my future.

00:50:14:19 - 00:50:23:02

Kathy

Yeah, I love that she brought that up. On my last Girl Talk episode. She talked all about that. She interviewed somebody and it was kind of like, you give like a blowjob with your pussy, right? You could just.

00:50:23:04 - 00:50:38:18

Luna

Yeah, well, she was telling me about it, and I'm like, I need to go talk to this person and learn. And the other thing is, she said, either before I do a fuck sandwich or before I do my masturbation reset. Oh, she walked me through the whole like, here's how she does a masturbation reset for 30 days. So I might take all of September to do that and like document.

00:50:38:18 - 00:50:55:05

Luna

I'm not sure yet, but that's on the docket, you know, for resetting the way I to myself and maybe like culminating in a simian. You know, if I were to like, stream every day of masturbation or something and like, get a fucking machine at the end of it as a grand finale, that's one of the other possible like, pursuits for the future.

00:50:55:05 - 00:51:08:19

Luna

But the other thing that she was saying, she said, before we do our ethical porn slash slutty content creation relaxation weekend, she said, I need to try the o-shot because she remember when we first talked to her and she was like, I just got it. We'll see, she says. It's amazing.

00:51:08:21 - 00:51:13:16

Kathy

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think you need it. That's for like old people.

00:51:13:16 - 00:51:20:06

Luna

I'm just curious. Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't need anything, right? Like, I could just. I think about that all the time. My life would be so different.

00:51:20:06 - 00:51:28:01

Kathy

It's like a 25 year old taking Viagra. I don't I don't. Okay, well, then I'll revise putting that shit in because they're stimulating like hormones and stuff.

00:51:28:03 - 00:51:43:09

Luna

I haven't done the research and I don't know medically about it. I thought it was more like a PRP thing. I mean, here's the thing. I'm not a person to go injecting stuff into my body willy nilly. I don't even have any tattoos. I have pierced ears. That's pretty much it. Like I have to get compelled to, like, do a thing.

00:51:43:13 - 00:52:01:17

Luna

But she was very adamant and I was like, I'll consider this at some point so it could be my future. So in the meantime, I read a book called Camgirl by is amazing. I don't know how to say your last name, Maisie. It's Italian. The book was like it was a lot. It was an intense like she basically gets into Bdsm but like not really knowing about it through camming.

00:52:01:17 - 00:52:22:06

Luna

And there's a lot of like tough stuff in there. However, it was full of excellent details, incredibly well-written, and I was like, wait, wait, I was doing live streams on Patreon, which I've stopped because I was like, I don't know, I can't even get Nick, I don't know, I'm trying to literally, I didn't understand what camming was. I've interviewed cam people.

00:52:22:06 - 00:52:36:11

Luna

I didn't realize they played games. I didn't realize, oh, so now I'm like, oh my God, should I do camming? Like every single time I interview a new type of sex worker, I'm like that one next. So that is in the running. I'm like, could I combine this with the September, you know, masturbation back to school reset? Maybe.

00:52:36:12 - 00:52:53:20

Luna

But then I'm also like, really? I've been like dying to do panty selling for two years. I have a giant tub full of my old panties, like the first panties I ever bought for myself in high school at the mall. Like at PacSun, I have like old socks. I have all of these things. And one of the things that I'm wondering about too, as I think about the foot fetish stuff, is like.

00:52:53:21 - 00:53:12:12

Luna

It's almost like my desires for these fetishes aren't necessarily related to the real people who have them, because I don't understand how their brains work yet, but I also just haven't talked to enough of them. So those are some of my like, explorations in the future. I'm also working on getting a sex toy sponsorship because I'm like, that would be the perfect bucket list partnership.

00:53:12:13 - 00:53:23:12

Luna

You want to talk about perfect partnerships? That's what I want. Someone who just buys me sex toys. Then I can play with them and show them if that is a brand and not a person, that's fine too.

00:53:23:14 - 00:53:30:06

Kathy

That's a great perfect fit. Sponsorship. So put that on your list. I mean, that's not even a bucket list. It's just like I'm a professional is.

00:53:30:11 - 00:53:46:11

Luna

Oh isn't it? I mean, I don't know, I don't really have a good delineation because I'm like, are any of the I mean, there's all they're all kind of professional, but they're all kind of personal in both ways. And I really just mix my life together. But yeah, if anyone out there has favorite brands or favorite toys like types of toys, I'm just wildly curious.

00:53:46:11 - 00:53:49:10

Luna

And then I don't like, yeah, where am I going to store them all? I don't know.

00:53:49:14 - 00:53:54:22

Kathy

So how do they if they have that kind of information, where do you want that you want them to email?

00:53:54:22 - 00:54:09:04

Luna

You email me at Six Stories podcast.com. And then I'm going to add more stuff to my bucket list though I feel like that's a lot for now. They're still in progress stuff, and I might do a poll. I think I will do a poll to see what other little things I should add. In the meantime, should I try my first Spotify poll?

00:54:09:04 - 00:54:13:10

Luna

Maybe that's what I'll do. Thank you for letting me update you.

00:54:13:12 - 00:54:26:19

Kathy

Yeah, thanks for the update. Anyone wants to take her poll, go to Spotify. Anyone wants to email her their information, go there. If you're on YouTube, make some comments. While I was also on YouTube as well, all of her links will be in the description. Thanks for calling in.

00:54:26:20 - 00:54:27:19

Luna

Thank you Kathy.