Sleepy Sex & Orgasmic Cramp Remedy: Woo News & Q’s Mailbag Episode
- Luna Robbie
- Sep 9
- 80 min read
Edging challenges, prostate play, and listener fantasies—Luna and Kimberly share sexy updates, answer questions, celebrate stories from the Woo community, and invite you to apply to be a guest!
00:00:00:05 - 00:00:14:08
Luna
Lovely humans. It's a special episode. I'm here today with Kimberly and we are doing a mailbag episode, so we have some updates and announcements from us. So, what do we have? Listeners stories, celebrations? Where do they come from? How do we do it? Kimberly helps me get organized.
00:00:14:10 - 00:00:32:03
Kimberly
We've got questions. We've got comments from YouTube, email. We've got messages sent directly through the website, which you can do right now. Go to Hollywood. FYI, to submit questions and comments. We'd love to hear from you. And we've got some lovely shares.
00:00:32:05 - 00:00:53:17
Luna
Awesome. Well, thank you for organizing it for us and I love hearing from you guys. And I especially love these communications when Kimberly reads them to me and we get to make it an actual conversation. So, thank you to everyone who's joining today. Before we dive in, we've got some updates and announcements. Kimberly and I are going to do a check in about our sexy learnings of the last couple months.
00:00:53:18 - 00:01:19:08
Luna
And then we're going to go through emails, which is a mixture of celebrations and questions and some stories that I think you will really enjoy. So without further ado, updates and announcements. It is September. It's officially September, and for anyone who has been listening for the past couple years for anyone who has ever dabbled on OnlyFans formerly while live briefly Luna's secrets now Luna woo hoo ha!
00:01:19:08 - 00:01:45:07
Luna
I mean, all of them get you to the same place because they all redirect. And we continue to go through all our branding evolutions as we dodge censorship and figure out what's safe to share where. But all of that is to say, September is an opportunity for it to be our own personal back to school. And what I mean when I say that is, I don't know, do you, Kimberly, get stuck in habits when it comes to pleasuring yourself?
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Kimberly
Absolutely.
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Luna
Are your habits.
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Kimberly
Habits.
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Luna
Putting Kimberly on the spot? I did not tell them. Well.
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Kimberly
It's interesting because with a huge life shift of having my partner live with me, the habits are in flux. But historically, my habits have been sort of, oh, I want to masturbate. And then I'll just sort of get off as quickly as possible and sort of move on from there and say it's, you know, okay, well, let's go or I will masturbate by like laying on a mat on a vibrator for hours at a time while doing other stuff.
00:02:24:00 - 00:02:52:14
Kimberly
And I don't think I do that. That's hot. I mean, the truth. Yeah, it'll I'll just be like, reading and I'll just be sort of, like, laying flat on my stomach on top of a vibrator against my clitoris mounds. Or, you know, it gets squishy down there and just orgasming and then coming down, but still having the vibration and then orgasm and then come in because I can orgasm a lot and it's interesting because sometimes it's like, wow, this is pleasurable.
00:02:52:15 - 00:03:14:11
Kimberly
But then it gets into the habit and then the habit makes it less exciting. And then like, you lose sensation. But at least I do. Yeah, after a while of over and over orgasm. So I think for that it's, it's been nice to have a shift in habit, building new habits because it gets old. My body wants new dopamine spiking.
00:03:14:16 - 00:03:40:17
Luna
Absolutely. And that's totally how it works, right? I am not we are not in any way, shape or form saying that there's anything wrong with like getting off in a quick, familiar, fun way. I love that, and I do that the rest of the year because during September it's my own personal, very personal, back to school, and I love spending every day edging and spending the entire month edging, which means I'm not coming all month long as, to the best of my ability.
00:03:40:17 - 00:04:06:20
Luna
Right? So I absolutely am fucking partners this month. And, well, I'll just admit I've fallen off the edge once, maybe twice already. Because with external factors, as hard as I try, I'm trying not to come. And that that said, more than ever. In that case, I love taking the time and I've been doing like 15 to 20 minute ones this this year because I really am getting into the edge.
00:04:06:20 - 00:04:30:02
Luna
And I really love exploring sensations and exploring what it feels like in my body to not just get really, really turned on, to get really turned on, to stay there and then to do the same motion switch emotion. But I've been experimenting with picking different motions and seeing how long I can handle each one before it, you know, inspires me to want to come.
00:04:30:02 - 00:04:47:18
Luna
And then I try and stay on the edge. And also it is in trying to stay on that edge with a partner where I can bring myself back when I'm fully in control, like during my masturbation meditation sensation explorations of edging, I've come really close. I almost fell off like like I felt that like first squeeze and I'm like, nope, nope, nope, nope.
00:04:47:18 - 00:05:04:18
Luna
And then it stopped and I was like, using my mind powers. And I saw partner this week and there was no hope, but I also did I, I don't advertise this to my partners, but I did tell this partner about the fact that I'm edging a whole month and I'm like, yeah, we're I'm not, but I'm not supposed to.
00:05:04:18 - 00:05:27:13
Luna
And this partner was like, oh, really? But is the rule the same with partners? And I was like, well, sometimes I can't help it. And this partner was like, heard and really, really what I think all of that is to say, it's another year of daily masturbation meditation sensation, explorations of edging on onlyfans.com/lunar secrets, or lunar Ruha think it should at the same place.
00:05:27:15 - 00:05:52:15
Luna
One of the many things that I've realized is that, you know, when we are consistent as ourselves, even if that consistency means using lots of different names and brand identities, whatever. It's all fun, and I have had a couple people like Rediscover me in different places, which is a different kind of fun. So whether or not you, sweet listener, are inspired to join me on OnlyFans and I do encourage you to if you think it would help, like so.
00:05:52:17 - 00:06:11:23
Luna
We're also putting the audios on Patreon. Kimberly is going to do that in Divine Timing and have those up and lectures are still available on Patreon. On Patreon, everything stays up on OnlyFans. Normally my videos stay up for 30 days at a time before they kind of cycle through. You get 2 or 3 a week. Some of them stay up forever, depending on how naughty it is.
00:06:12:01 - 00:06:35:22
Luna
This month, during the month of September, I am doing daily releases of the daily masturbation meditation sensation Explorations and they're expiring every seven days. So if you see one that you really, really want to keep, you can totally do that. Message me. And whether or not you feel inspired to literally join me on OnlyFans, which supports this show, is the place where you can talk naughty to me if you want to do that.
00:06:36:00 - 00:06:50:21
Luna
Although I would say most people don't. Mostly it's my pen pals who understand that my time is valuable and want to take the time to chat. And I will just say out loud, OnlyFans is not the place to talk about any of my in-person offerings. That is a no no. That's very, could get me kicked off the platform.
00:06:50:21 - 00:07:12:23
Luna
So thank you for keeping it to fantasies and telling me about your naughty, slutty desires. And I love hearing when people are edging along with me and what they think of the different things. And I get really good feedback. Like one of my friends from labor people was like, you have really high production value. And I'm like, it's me and my phone and my computer and my microphone, and I like to be creative.
00:07:12:23 - 00:07:36:17
Luna
Part of it for me is setting up the puzzle of like, what's the shot? And Kimberley, I think someday when you see some of the angles that I have come up with even so far, I think you're gonna be really proud of me. So I am very, very excited. And, it's really fun. And as we're recording this, we are currently on day three, so it is September 3rd today as we're recording, I am three edges in and it's already getting hot.
00:07:36:17 - 00:07:37:14
Luna
And I guess I already.
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Kimberly
Fell off once, like, oh, I didn't make it very far.
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Luna
But you know, what did I tell you?
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Kimberly
You can try again.
00:07:43:10 - 00:07:54:20
Luna
Right now I'm like, oh man. And I it'll only get more intense. Last year I was able to make it 20 days without any orgasms before a partner, humped me off. The end.
00:07:54:20 - 00:07:58:07
Kimberly
Fucked me up the edge. Literally.
00:07:58:09 - 00:08:26:08
Luna
And, you know, and for me, it's not about, it's about having a goal. It's about doing my best to stay faithful to that goal. And it really is about what can I notice about my body? How do I notice how my breath relates to my pleasure sensations? I definitely have been encouraging partners, especially partners who, are owners of nervous penises when I notice them getting in their head about not coming, not coming, I instruct them to breathe in and out through their nose, often making eye contact.
00:08:26:08 - 00:08:46:07
Luna
You know, sometimes it'll go into a little bit of a, It's like, it's not exactly a joy. It's a fly. So fuck off. Just fuck shit. Fucking fucking them. Instructor instructions. Well, fucking. So whatever we want to call that with those letters. And that's been really, really hot. And so breathing makes such a big difference.
00:08:46:09 - 00:09:03:23
Luna
Exploring with noise makes a big difference. I will not be using noise during this month because my goal is to not come. But I don't know if you do make noises when you're alone because. Because I know that when I go into like a low, like, like sometimes activating. Yeah, those parts of my body really gets me to the end.
00:09:04:04 - 00:09:27:18
Kimberly
Sometimes. Sometimes it really depends on where I am. Yeah. In the moment, on the day, usually I'm more quiet, but, I don't know. We want to even masturbating. It's been a little more vocal, and I wonder if part of that is because my partner is also here and it's like I'm more practice being vocal when I'm having sex, so having sex with myself also adds more noise.
00:09:27:20 - 00:09:46:12
Luna
I love that, and again, sweet lovers, if you are going to edge all on your own. And again, I've been doing. I was going to do like ten minutes and then it just keeps ballooning out. It's closer to 20, so if you edge 20 minutes a day, whether or not you come at any point during the month, I love to know what you discover.
00:09:46:17 - 00:10:08:14
Luna
You can submit little five minute voice memo if you go to How to Woo. FYI, that's our new umbrella landing spot for all the things to see. We're stepping away from censorship. Although, we don't know how brands are going to respond to my lunar self, so we're figuring it all out. So that is one back to school option.
00:10:08:14 - 00:10:28:23
Luna
The other, if you've been listening for years, maybe you remember my interview with Mariah Freya of Björk, which is an online learning space for all things sexy. So it's basically the virtual version of the future super brothel that we are creating in Divine Timing, which will be an education for creation space that has everything we could possibly imagine.
00:10:29:00 - 00:10:33:11
Luna
And right now they're having a back to school where they're calling it back to sex school.
00:10:33:12 - 00:10:58:06
Kimberly
Back to sex school. You know, they're saying that it's the chance to learn, unlearn, level up pleasure skills. And it's a lot of expert led, shame free education. And it's got foundational techniques helping to deepen intimacy. It explores identity. And it's just a lot of educational, sexy educational content you can explore alone or with your partner or with that friend.
00:10:58:06 - 00:11:16:06
Luna
I was just going to say, yeah, yeah. Ooh. If anyone out there has this kind of learning lesson with their friends, isn't that interesting? We interviewed so many people who have so many early experiences learning with their friends, and then we grow up and we stop exploring sexually with, well, some of us do. Some of us explore sexually with my friends in.
00:11:16:06 - 00:11:17:10
Kimberly
Many great ways.
00:11:17:12 - 00:11:38:09
Luna
But this is kind of like, yeah, this could be a grown up opportunity of like the sleepover where everyone tells secrets and watches porn. And I will say it's helpful to have a partner if you are the type who gets overwhelmed. When I was by myself looking at it because there are so many options and you know, they have different teachers who teach similar subjects, and so you can definitely find different educators that resonate with you.
00:11:38:09 - 00:11:48:16
Luna
And I definitely still have not made it through all of the many, many topics there. So it's fun too, because I definitely have played around watching with a partner a little bit and we got distracted. So.
00:11:48:18 - 00:11:49:14
Kimberly
Whether you are.
00:11:49:16 - 00:12:22:06
Luna
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00:12:22:06 - 00:12:48:07
Luna
So whether you are edging this September with me or want to go explore with lots and lots of educators, or want to gift yourself lots of back to school, if you didn't go back to school, clothes shopping, or buy yourself any new backpacks or pencils for September, I highly recommend that you do. I mean, I always find it so exciting to like, get my first day of school outfit and to get my mechanical pencils back in the day when I used those.
00:12:48:07 - 00:12:53:14
Luna
Now I like love the the fill in the pits and the paper mate. Those are my favorite pens.
00:12:53:14 - 00:12:56:04
Kimberly
I love those too. You got me really into those. Oh, I'm.
00:12:56:04 - 00:13:29:18
Luna
So into them. I put them on my wish list. I'm like, they should be a sponsor. If only they knew how many interesting maps they've helped me. If only they knew how many drafts of super brothel visions I've drawn with those pens. Anyway, all that is to say, they have lots of cool stuff. Oh, and they have a new course Sex without Gender Rules, so I highly recommend this, especially for street people, because I definitely noticed that the sex with my straight partners, which are penis, hovers because I am a pussy over it, gets so much better when I give them permission to go out of order to not do like first base, second base,
00:13:29:18 - 00:13:47:11
Luna
third base, checking all the boxes, gotta gotta penetrate, gotta come. And I will say that's also why I've been getting really, really, really into prostate and pegging lately. Because it upends all of the everything. And it's it's not that we don't want to focus on Cox. I love a great penis. I want to, you know, I want to play with it all sorts of ways.
00:13:47:11 - 00:14:11:00
Luna
And it's about removing pressure from penises until that pressure is in a pussy or an asshole or a throat and, you know, collaborating to make that pleasure on purpose. But it's about just like with our masturbation meditation sensation explorations of edging. It really is about creating a space where, how are we sharing pleasure in the present moment together?
00:14:11:00 - 00:14:37:12
Luna
I'm pointing to Kimberly. Not that feels weird, like a weird work violation. Where across from I was recording virtually. You. You, Kimberly and I are comfortable enough that we can roll with that. Anyone else who's in a work situation, don't do that. Don't follow my example there. And so setting time aside for myself to learn about sex related things, where the goal, if there is one, really is to learn and explore and notice how our bodies today are feeling, I think is really cool.
00:14:37:12 - 00:14:54:12
Luna
It's really hot, very valuable. Highly recommend it. Whether you are doing solo or partnered expressions. Oh, it would be so hot if partners out there wanted to edge each other together all month long, like and not fall off because I used to. I used to call mercy like when I was in orgasm denial mode. Like that would be really, really hot.
00:14:54:14 - 00:15:12:00
Luna
So yes, send me a message. Let me know how your edge is going or it doesn't even have to be. Well, edging. I learned new stuff all the time. So the next time you learn something new about your pleasure, or your body, or communication or connection with a partner, let us know. It's super duper hot! Again, you can always message us through how to woo.
00:15:12:02 - 00:15:17:07
Luna
FYI, that's oh man, is that just the first housekeeping note? What are we going to talk about next, Kimberly?
00:15:17:09 - 00:15:23:23
Kimberly
Well, next, we are asking you, sweet listeners to apply to be a guest on the podcast.
00:15:24:05 - 00:15:56:18
Luna
Oh yeah. Okay. So the origin story, the heart of this podcast, the origin story of my at this point expertise, my deep, deep explorations that created such a deep rabbit hole, I couldn't even imagine going down them. And now I can imagine going down to lots and lots of people because I have so much more. Anyway, we're so far away from the 2018 me that was like, I'll just like, interview people about sex for a year or two, and then I'll learn more and I'll know some stuff.
00:15:56:18 - 00:16:27:19
Luna
And truly, the more that I talked to you up there, the more I realized I know I am but an egg, as my favorite author Robert Heinlein says in stranger in a Strange Land, I have only learned how much there is to learn. All that is to say, I have always, always loved the most. Hearing real sex stories from real people, hearing the details of sex lives, hearing how other people like to connect, what they need to connect, how they communicate.
00:16:27:19 - 00:16:44:04
Luna
I'm realizing that my obsession behind sex stories, I wish I had understood that it was salacious. We would probably be in a different like financial witness, but and I might be not supporting this podcast with the in-person work that I do, but instead, you know, have a whole day for the end. That's okay. We're creating that always together.
00:16:44:06 - 00:16:45:05
Kimberly
About an unfolding.
00:16:45:06 - 00:17:07:12
Luna
Divine unfolding. And what's clear to me is this really is a passion project and a labor of love. And it's really important to me. And I've heard from so many of you out there, that learning to communicate in these, private spaces, in these very vulnerable ways, is immensely valuable when it comes to participating in pleasure, whether solo or partner.
00:17:07:14 - 00:17:28:13
Luna
So I would love if you've ever been out there listening, thinking like, oh, someday I'll apply to be a guest, maybe I'll be a guest. Apply now if you're thinking about it. So our goal is by the end of January to record a year's worth of episodes. So by the end of January to have stories recorded because it's not time sensitive.
00:17:28:13 - 00:17:50:06
Luna
Of course, I do get very, very, very excited to share your story. And because of my insane travel schedule, I think the way to keep this podcast going with as many guest interviews as we would prefer, is to have people apply to be guest. We're going to do a little batch of recordings in November, so if you want to be invited to that, apply by September 30th.
00:17:50:08 - 00:18:12:15
Luna
And then we are going to do a big batch of recordings in January. So imagine starting off your new year. I love these conversations because it really is a check in. And now with recent past guest updates that we've done, I've had guests reflecting how they get to kind of use the original episode that they recorded with me as a time capsule for their own growth, their own pleasure.
00:18:12:15 - 00:18:36:17
Luna
And I personally think it's really cool to see how we change throughout the years. I know that I have changed so much in the seven years since starting the podcast, you know? And at the same time, there is a certain level of consistency, right? So that curiosity remains. My desire to hear people's thoughtful details remains the same. This is one of my favorite ways to speak with people at a deeper level.
00:18:36:19 - 00:19:01:08
Luna
And I love hearing these details. So I would absolutely love for anyone listening who thinks they might be a guest. And if you aren't one of those people that's like, oh, I don't know, my stories wouldn't be very good. At least a third of all of the people who have previously been guests said that. And I was like, as long as you're open to sharing, there have only ever been two podcasts that did not finish, because those people realized halfway through that they were not ready to talk publicly about sex.
00:19:01:08 - 00:19:26:07
Luna
And it was evident. And that's okay. And most people, if you will, talk about like, what is sex to you? How do you feel about shame? Why is something sexy? How did you learn about sex personal or professional? Personal? Oh, is my favorite. Anonymous or publicly can change your voice if you need to. I really want to hear how you are learning, and I'm especially interested to hear from people whose voices we haven't heard before.
00:19:26:09 - 00:19:46:20
Luna
And again, I always love a good podcast update, so if you're out there still listening and we haven't had an update in a while, go apply and you can visit Six Stories podcast.com or how to woohoo! FYI, everything is going into the how to funnel sooner sex stories is we think, going to stay alive. We might do a feed swap soon, so prepare for that branding switch.
00:19:46:20 - 00:20:08:16
Luna
They're both going to stay alive and we are really, really excited to enter a new era of this podcast where there is greater connection, more consistent communication with you guys. And, these messages you reaching out to us is a huge part of that. So if you would love to be a guest on this podcast, or if you know someone who would make a great guest on this podcast, I encourage you to apply.
00:20:08:18 - 00:20:23:05
Luna
Tell all your friends it is really fun. Apply by September 30th if you want to do November, apply by November 30th. If you want to record in January. And our goal is to get a year's worth of recordings and if we don't, then we are just going to space them out as much as possible throughout the year.
00:20:23:05 - 00:20:42:01
Luna
Because I have my life is only getting busier with travel and it's all great things and I love this podcast and so you can join me in making it a great success. And I love hearing your stories and I love connecting with you out there. On a deeper level, getting emails is great, messages is great. Having a deep conversation is my favorite.
00:20:42:05 - 00:21:06:19
Luna
I was saying earlier today, okay, so you know how in love languages there's words of affirmation? I'm like, I don't. That doesn't do it for me. However, words are important, but for me it's not words of affirmation, it's words of information. I connect by exchanging information with people. And I know that's kind of an artistic thing. So, well, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then we think maybe she's prompted.
00:21:07:01 - 00:21:28:22
Luna
So apply. How do we for our stories podcast.com? It will get you to the same place. And I look forward to hearing the details of your delicious sex life. So now that our housekeeping points are out of the way, Kimberly, would you pretty please like to share your sexy slash relational slash connection oriented learnings of the past few months with us?
00:21:28:22 - 00:21:32:09
Luna
Like, what have you been discovering since we last chatted?
00:21:32:11 - 00:21:40:04
Kimberly
So huge life shift of my partner now living in the same space as me, sharing a bed every night.
00:21:40:10 - 00:21:44:22
Luna
Wow. Every single night you share bed every single night.
00:21:45:00 - 00:22:04:03
Kimberly
Well, sometimes due to snoring, one of us will sleep on the couch. But for the most part, it's every single night I am getting more and more used to, adapting to noise. And it is going very well and it's full of just lovely cuddles and touches. And then sometimes I am too warm and I need to not be.
00:22:04:05 - 00:22:36:04
Kimberly
But, I'm learning a lot about everyday communication in a way, and at a level that I never have had before in a way that is very exciting because there is this very open dialog between me and my partner where we can engage in constructive check ins throughout our our days or weeks, our lives. I know some people do the more clearly outlined, like a monthly check in or every quarter.
00:22:36:04 - 00:23:04:11
Kimberly
Or maybe there's like every date night. There's like a start where they, you know, go over their plans. But so far, doing it sort of in the moment as it comes up has been really, really good for us. And another fun thing that I have experienced was I started my period and well, that wasn't very fun. But I, the first couple days of my period are, as you know, often very painful, and then they're usually fine.
00:23:04:13 - 00:23:25:23
Kimberly
But something that I have done in the past to alleviate my pain has been to sort of just crank out an orgasm because it helps my muscles relax. It helps them focus on something else. And also orgasms feel good. My partner remembered that from however long ago I first told them about that. It's not something I bring up every month.
00:23:25:23 - 00:23:54:06
Kimberly
It's just, you know, something I think I told them years ago and I was having intense period pain, and they were just like, yeah, you said sometimes orgasms help with this, right? And I was like, yeah. And there were like, all right, let's give you some orgasms. And I lost track. I think I came like six times. And it was it.
00:23:54:08 - 00:24:26:15
Kimberly
Yes. The orgasms themselves felt good, obviously, but it was like the remembering of something that I just didn't even remember sharing. And then actively caring for me and just doing it made me feel so like taken care of, loved, nurtured. It was incredible. I was like, oh, wow. Yeah, this is great. And then I, like, took a shower and then I went to bed.
00:24:26:15 - 00:24:34:23
Kimberly
It was it was absolutely fantastic. And so it was like intense period pain to just delicious relational pleasure.
00:24:35:01 - 00:24:41:14
Luna
And did the cramps, were they less like I know it. For me, it definitely makes a difference sometimes I don't always get cramps, but.
00:24:41:16 - 00:24:57:01
Kimberly
It definitely makes a difference for me each time. I didn't have any more. I didn't have any period pain that whole night. Actually. Know really lovely. And I was like, oh my gosh, you're taking care of me. Like, it really felt sort of like, oh.
00:24:57:03 - 00:25:02:18
Luna
Wow, that is so hard. Okay. So props to partner. Like that's.
00:25:03:00 - 00:25:04:07
Kimberly
So, so so.
00:25:04:07 - 00:25:15:01
Luna
Good. And also like yeah, especially not mentioning it every month. But also I'm like maybe we should all mention this every month. Anyone who leaves and gets cramps oh, I have cramps. You know, it's.
00:25:15:01 - 00:25:18:20
Kimberly
All those oh I to get to work.
00:25:18:22 - 00:25:26:06
Luna
And maybe we all be so lucky to be in partnerships that are that proactively supportive and proactively pleasurable.
00:25:26:08 - 00:25:51:15
Kimberly
That actually led me to realize. And that combined with my body being so exhausted generally from, you know, moving and then being busy and just having 8 million things to do and feeling like I didn't have enough time. I got a massage with my with my lovely Luna and, I mean, not from you, but, you know.
00:25:51:17 - 00:26:01:11
Luna
Jointly, we went on a work retreat to the spa and we talked about work and we created a work appropriate pleasure because that's how we roll.
00:26:01:13 - 00:26:34:00
Kimberly
And it was great. It was so lovely. But in and around that, I have been noticing, being able to better describe the kind of touch that my body likes, noticing that I really like and appreciate conscious touch rather than, like a distracted armor on the shoulder is still nice and lovely, but like in everyday partnership, noticing that the moments I feel cared for and touched is when it's like, oh, a hand on the shoulder.
00:26:34:00 - 00:27:21:03
Kimberly
Like squeezing a muscle. Like to warm up a muscle is so much more. It's so juicy for me. Like it feels so good. And so I've been better at communicating that because I had that realization that clear connection. And I've been able to talk about that, and then my partner has then put that into our everyday lives where they will like if it's a foot rub or if it's just, you know, massaging a hand after I'm crocheting like it is little, little things where if I say something there is that care almost immediately from them, like the period pain solution definitely feels in that it's part of that.
00:27:21:05 - 00:27:38:09
Kimberly
And also noticing when they do it, and maybe they're not realizing it is just so lovely because it feels like it's truly like a life of nurturing and co and co love mutual love. Yeah.
00:27:38:11 - 00:28:00:18
Luna
Oh that is so beautiful. And like what a great way to start off cohabitation. Like nurturing cohabitation and discovering that through I mean not even through a September's edge. No edging necessary. Simply simply feeling welcome.
00:28:00:20 - 00:28:07:00
Kimberly
Some edging not as recurred but not not. Yeah.
00:28:07:01 - 00:28:31:04
Luna
Well, I guess I guess it's true that conscious touch could be a form of edging, too. And that's an interesting point too, because I think for me, receiving and giving non-sexual intimate touch, it does release oxytocin. So it is of course bonding. And I almost feel like there needs to be a balance like I need both. I love sexual touch.
00:28:31:04 - 00:28:55:01
Luna
I will go straight for genitals and nipple like I can totally be guilty of, like they're targets with magnets in them. Like my mouth just wants to go blah. So, you know, I definitely make efforts to, especially in erotic situations to wake up my partner's whole body. And, you know, in certain contexts, that is part of the actual offering that's on the table.
00:28:55:01 - 00:29:16:14
Luna
So like I, it's easy to practice remembering to do that. And then in other cases, especially when I'm in situations with partners in a broader context where we might be hanging out together for the day or simply, you know, we might fuck later, we might fuck in the morning and noon and night and in between we are doing different activities or enjoying life together in these various ways.
00:29:16:14 - 00:29:34:23
Luna
And that's when I love, maybe equally love. I love giving and receiving, like especially like head scratches, like fingernails on the head or like a little like a gentle squeeze on the back of the neck, or even just, like, massaging your lobes, like, Oh.
00:29:35:01 - 00:29:35:20
Kimberly
Yeah. It's so good.
00:29:36:01 - 00:30:05:11
Luna
It's all good. Yeah, yeah. Dare you to do it to your partner and let me know how goes. And in connections where non-sexual physical intimacy is not the norm, I do recommend talking about it before you dive right in. Unless there's a moment where you know your partner is really, really open to it. Because otherwise, I've had it reflected to me a ton that especially there seem to be many women out there who have spoken to who are like, oh yeah, when he gives me a massage, I know he's just trying to fuck.
00:30:05:11 - 00:30:30:06
Luna
And so it's like, what if? What if it wasn't just that, you know? Or what if it simply was a way to create that connection in between? For me, it's hugely important. And even if I am in a situation where, you know, partner comes in and wants a quickie, I still, as we're discussing the quickie or as we're in a place that's leading up to that, I still want to touch them in many other ways because that gets my body excited.
00:30:30:08 - 00:30:49:14
Luna
So yeah, you are having that in your life and I love that you're able to articulate it. Now, here's a question. Is it getting easier to articulate because you are more able to notice because of proximity, because you now have the words for the things you can notice? Is it like what makes it easier to ask for?
00:30:49:15 - 00:31:14:01
Kimberly
I think it is in large part because we are with each other all the time now, like when we were a long distance. I think it wouldn't necessarily have occurred to me. So because we are together all the time, I can then notice what kinds of touch light me up more than other kinds of touch. And then from there, my, you know, daily practice of noticing my body and my feelings.
00:31:14:03 - 00:31:34:23
Kimberly
I think from there, discovering how to verbalize what I'm feeling. So I think it's all connected and has each led to each other. But I think the main thing is being together in person, then knocked the other dominoes down for me to understand in my own body what I enjoy more. Yeah.
00:31:35:00 - 00:31:50:03
Luna
And then like, does the feeling around when to have sex change for you now that you live together? Is it like, oh, it's always available. So like or is it like overwhelming because didn't you guys used to always have sex when you see each other because of long distance. Like what are you.
00:31:50:03 - 00:32:11:06
Kimberly
Yeah, yeah. So we've been talking about this because we're like, wait a second. Now that we're always together, it doesn't feel as special. And then we were little cute. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like always available and it's like, oh then when do we decide to do this and what time is it happening and how.
00:32:11:06 - 00:32:13:16
Luna
Much time do you invest into it?
00:32:13:18 - 00:32:31:02
Kimberly
Okay, that's also been a whole conversation because we historically have love to do like every time we have sex, it's like three hours minimum, like it takes a long time. And the other day we had sex and it took less than an hour and we were like, oh, we're like, high five. Later we were like, yes, we did it.
00:32:31:02 - 00:33:11:11
Kimberly
We we did it so fast. It was great. But but we are feeling into the rhythm of it and figuring out like what feels good and then also figuring out how all of that availability feels in connection with recovering from doing a cross-country drive and like, reorganizing a whole house and then like all of these things. So I definitely have not had as much of a sexual drive or desire, and that's actually coming back this week.
00:33:11:11 - 00:33:36:16
Kimberly
But it's like it's been I've been noticing after my period was done and then like feeling more settled in, feeling a little more resourced, I've been able to instigate things more, which is something we've talked about because they're usually the one who wants sex more than I do. And so me being the one who instigates it, is helpful to know that we're both excited about it.
00:33:36:18 - 00:33:38:19
Luna
Oh, I love it so much.
00:33:38:21 - 00:33:41:19
Kimberly
What about you? What have you been learning?
00:33:41:21 - 00:34:07:00
Luna
Oh my goodness gracious. I feel like I keep learning so much. Just when I thought, well, no. Okay. I've never been like, oh, I've learned it all because I do have this sense that learning about sex and relationships and communication is infinite, especially as the infinite possibility of new partners opens up before me. And I'm in this really.
00:34:07:00 - 00:34:08:06
Kimberly
Really sweet.
00:34:08:08 - 00:34:44:12
Luna
Moment of beautiful, satisfying, delicious, like mutually rewarding connections with multiple partners right now in ways that I am really, really deeply appreciating and it is leading to a lot of travel, which is great. And between traveling to Nevada and also taking care of the family ranch and then also going back and forth to, you know, creative shoots, creative content, whatever, even if it's local.
00:34:44:12 - 00:35:04:20
Luna
For the days that I'm in Los Angeles and then traveling to all of the various places to see the people that I want to see the city to see the people who want to see me. It's a lot. And it's also really fantastic. And I keep thinking about redesigning suitcases that are made with carrying sex toys in mind.
00:35:04:22 - 00:35:13:13
Luna
And one of my partners was like, I really think you need to think seriously about your suitcase vision. And I'm like, oh.
00:35:13:13 - 00:35:16:22
Kimberly
I have so like and also I had so many.
00:35:16:22 - 00:35:37:06
Luna
Good plans. It was so, because now it's not just suitcases, it's suitcases and storage and sex toys. And why are there not better solutions for sex toys? Like and I when I went to Kink Fest, I remember like clocking its regular suitcases. And then you have to open them up and then stuff is everywhere. And that's like plastic bags so the silicone doesn't melt into itself.
00:35:37:06 - 00:35:46:10
Luna
And I'm just like, oh, I mean, it's got to be, by the way, like there's got to be better. So that's totally in the background. I am.
00:35:46:12 - 00:35:47:13
Kimberly
Really, really.
00:35:47:13 - 00:36:14:16
Luna
Really celebrating. And so a wash in gratitude that right now I'm having these experiences of joy while experiencing my different sides, like the completely different sides to myself with people who I have so much in common with. And our dynamics are completely different, like the part of me that is a non-monogamous lover. Human is like, oh my gosh, like I get to be around these partners who we all have so much in common in certain ways.
00:36:14:16 - 00:36:44:01
Luna
But like then we're so different in other ways. So like with one partner I have reached, I think the deepest level of kink dynamic where I am the dominant, like I have the sweetest submissive, I have a few submissives, but I have one who we've I mean, in both literal and metaphorical ways. We have reached some deeper levels lately in a way that feels so fucking joyful, and I feel so deeply cherished as a top.
00:36:44:03 - 00:37:17:08
Luna
And it is also so wonderful, too, in an extended way, over the course of various time. Be able to provide this container, this sensation, this dynamic that past me has found. So nourishing, even though I'm not in the same sort of kink dynamic as a submissive at the moment, I also then with other partners I'm getting to experience like my mistress side is totally being fed by the other part of me that in these other ways can fully like, chill and follow along for the ride.
00:37:17:08 - 00:37:46:17
Luna
And Mr. Zing also has been in concert with more pegging and prostate play and pain. However, I also am really getting into prostate stuff as a service oriented bottom, so I identify as not just, I don't know, power bottom, super switch. Like I'm thinking like when I'm when I'm in bottom space, like I am a power bottom. And I'm also a literal power bottom when we're doing and like but split power bottom.
00:37:46:17 - 00:38:11:09
Luna
But, I'm also like, I think it's so cool to experience different energies while doing similar physical acts. And then because each body is so different and other bodies fit together with my body different, the energy is different. It's like so hot, you know? And so I get to be a programable robot with this partner and be more submissive.
00:38:11:11 - 00:38:33:16
Luna
And then with my other partner, we get to share the joy of like loving adventures, loving photography, you know, talking about these other trips we want to take in in the meantime, just being cozy and chatting. And like I have one partner who neuro type one is, we're very, very similar. Like they are so excited to give me huge information dumps and I'm like, I can track you and I know what it feels like to want to deliver all of this information without a tone, you know?
00:38:33:16 - 00:39:10:10
Luna
And so it's like, really nice to be able to just be me. And then also like attracting other biology related or neuroscience noodle friends. It's hot. And then getting the fuck I'm and I'm like, oh, you know and then and then that's on top of the virtual muses who are playing along with me already in the first couple days with the September's edges and like, getting to know people through OnlyFans and like, virtually dating, like it's so wonderful to be in a new era of feeling so deeply appreciated in so many ways and so deeply satisfied.
00:39:10:10 - 00:39:17:08
Luna
And also, my pussy is literally, in a good way, swollen right now because I've been.
00:39:17:08 - 00:39:18:23
Kimberly
Fucking so much.
00:39:18:23 - 00:39:37:10
Luna
And like, I don't know, I don't know if people can tell on the masturbation meditations, but like, I can feel it. Like when I touch with my fingers, I can, I can feel because I've been getting, you know, it's different, different types of sex. And some of it is very bouncy. So that's what's been kind of on the whole specifically.
00:39:37:12 - 00:39:55:16
Luna
Kimberly, I got to introduce one of my lady lovers to her first strap on experience. And so it started first, where I was wearing the strap. And so and she'd never she she saw me in a picture wearing the strap and was like, I want to try that. And so I was like, I'll bring it. I'll record the next step with each other.
00:39:55:16 - 00:40:10:07
Luna
And so I strapped up and I was like, fucking her. And we were playing with her and her husband. And so she got to be spit roasted between us. And then she was like, so excited. She's like, I love your cock. I love your cock. I like thank you, you know? And then I was like, do you want to try it on?
00:40:10:07 - 00:40:26:13
Luna
She's like, oh no, no. I was like, that's okay, you don't have to. And then I was like, but is any part of you curious because I can I had juju was the person who strapped me up for the first time, and there was something really sweet and hot and cute about having my girlfriend, like, put a cock on me.
00:40:26:13 - 00:40:39:05
Luna
And then I, like, walked around at a T-shirt, like whipped it out on the table that was there. And so it was like very, very fun, you know? And so after a second, she was like, actually, okay, I do want to try it, you know? And she was she was like, I just don't know what I'm doing.
00:40:39:05 - 00:40:54:08
Luna
I was like, that's okay. Like, I'll walk you through every step. And so she got the full experience of, you know, we wash it off, put it on her. I showed her how to tighten it up and find out where it's comfortable. And then she fucked me with it, and she did pretty good. Like, I was like, ooh.
00:40:54:08 - 00:41:06:19
Luna
So she was like, this is harder than I thought. I was like, it can. Yeah. You know, so getting getting used to the like lack of feedback or for me, you know, finding where I do get feedback with it. Do you stop or do you mostly do dildos and hand stuff?
00:41:06:21 - 00:41:17:23
Kimberly
Mostly dildos and hand stuff? I have received a strap, but I've only I've only worn a strap once and I want to do it again.
00:41:18:01 - 00:41:36:15
Luna
Yeah, I, I do feel like the more that I do it, the more I'm like, this is my cock. Like I can open, like I know it's in my brain, but it's almost getting like pussy feedback. But it starts to feel like getting sensation. And I like feeling that. And I do definitely want to try it with a double handed dildo at some point.
00:41:36:15 - 00:41:59:22
Luna
I've never done that. I've heard about people doing that. I guess I tried with a feel though, but that was I want something in a harness so that it has the security of like strength of a harness. But it's also. Yeah. So I'm open to receiving that toy. And, yeah, I know I already talked about what are my other bits I already talked about enjoying, but I have really been enjoying them.
00:41:59:22 - 00:42:18:18
Luna
And then I also feel like it's one of those like universe, like when it rains, it pours. Because like, I had one partner be interested in profit, had another partner, then be like, I'm curious. And then I've had more people asking. And that was before I even started posting about it publicly. Or like I just recorded an episode with Kathy K of Strictly Anonymous.
00:42:18:18 - 00:42:47:03
Luna
That should be out by the time this comes out. And you know, I also have a blog post on one of the how to brothel episodes that is coming up that's all about prostate and how I kind of like do those sessions. And so I feel like I'm really in a prostate moment and like, I get really, really turned on, like it's so hot to be playing with a butthole and then realize that my pussy is dripping onto my own foot, like getting to just feel, oh my gosh, yeah, it it's wild.
00:42:47:03 - 00:42:57:11
Luna
And and, that also has happened in the past when I had a partner just playing with my butthole. Where like, like anal play. And then my pussy was like, flew up. I'm like.
00:42:57:11 - 00:42:59:21
Kimberly
Okay, she's awake.
00:42:59:23 - 00:43:38:20
Luna
So the other thing that I will share about is to preface this with a safety caveat. This is an experience I have been craving for a very long time, and I finally got to achieve this experience with a partner who I've known for years, and this partner has known that I have this fantasy, and it's something that I've kind of invited a few times increasingly, formerly like increasingly like, hey, like since we do, you know, we are increasingly regularly spending the night together, just so you know, I've always wanted to be fucked in my sleep.
00:43:39:01 - 00:44:02:22
Luna
Like I've always I've always dreamed of. Like I've always dreamed of. Very safely with consent. Like with someone who I trust deeply. Which this partner is someone who I have a lot of history with. So much safety with in our connection. And I was feeling a little under the weather. So I was very, very tired and I wanted I was also still horny.
00:44:02:22 - 00:44:11:06
Luna
Okay, so here's the question, Kimberly, do you still get horny when you're sick? Like when you're not feeling great? Do you still get horny?
00:44:11:08 - 00:44:23:23
Kimberly
Not usually, but I also don't get sick that often. And when I do get sick, it is a whole thing. So. Not. Not usually. No. Are you normally still horny when you get sick?
00:44:24:01 - 00:44:44:04
Luna
No, but this is another case, I think. I mean, I don't have enough data point. Like if I'm by myself. No, but I feel like Kimberly style. This is where I'm like, oh, I'm. I'm having proximity to this partner. And it's been a decade since I was in any sort of like committed partnership where we spend the night with each other regularly.
00:44:44:05 - 00:45:07:22
Luna
Like, that was like pretty South America 25 year old, you know? And so I only had a couple experiences when I was with my first dominant where we like, I think two experiences where we spent the night together and, you know, so I haven't had a lot of overnights until recently. And, before going to bed the other night, I was like, so tired.
00:45:07:22 - 00:45:26:18
Luna
But, you know, I saw his cock just lying there, and I had to put my mouth on it, but then I was like, too exhausted and fatigued to be vigorous and part and part of it was that I was so excited. I was traveling and I was so excited. I, you know, stayed up a little later than I should of packing because I always have packing.
00:45:26:18 - 00:45:37:19
Luna
What do I have a packing squirrel. I always go into a packing squirrel that includes some resistance. I'm like, which sex toys should I take? I feel like it. It's mostly like, what do I need? What do I.
00:45:37:19 - 00:45:38:21
Kimberly
Really want with it?
00:45:38:23 - 00:45:55:00
Luna
And I forgot my. But like, I forgot I was going to bring my anal vibrators on this trip. But it's okay. It's okay. Like, you can always visit the sex shop, but like, I just. Anyway. So I stayed up late packing and then I woke up unnecessarily early out of sheer excitement. And then my flight was delayed several hours.
00:45:55:00 - 00:46:13:20
Luna
And then, you know, I landed. I got to go hang out with some friends that were really fun. And then I got to see my partner. So like, it was a whole lot. And I didn't realize until like later that I didn't go to bed until past 3 a.m., which for me is ridiculous. Like I am like 11 p.m. just late for me, you know, midnight if I'm at the ranch.
00:46:13:20 - 00:46:33:15
Luna
Like if someone comes in late and requests me, I'll show up and I'm like a sleepy baby, you know? So, I was extremely excited. Then I was very fatigued. All that is to say, I ran out of energy to play, and I was like, but I want to fuck you. Can you just fuck me and my partner was like, well, and we've done this before.
00:46:33:17 - 00:46:50:01
Luna
What if you just fall asleep with me inside you? And so we did that again. So I, you know, I was playing enough to get things hard enough and getting myself wet enough to just insert and then really, really cuddly. And I was, I was I was like drifting off as, like.
00:46:50:03 - 00:46:52:02
Kimberly
As you can keep fucking me though.
00:46:52:04 - 00:47:18:01
Luna
And then and we talked about it. And so then I was like, definitely falling asleep. And there was some like gentle movement. And then I fully fell asleep, like I fully was just passed out. And I don't know how much time went by. But a little while later, I woke up and I was being gently fucked. And I remember being like, that's what that feels so good, you know?
00:47:18:01 - 00:47:38:17
Luna
And so I remember waking up and being like, oh, that's my dream come true. Oh, and then I fell asleep again. And I think I kind of woke up a little bit later. And then in the morning, you know, I remember kind of like kissing and like being really cozy and just being like, you know, and receiving a deep, deep level of receiving.
00:47:38:17 - 00:48:00:05
Luna
And in the morning, I woke up and I opened my eyes and my partner just had this, like, grin on his face and then recap how he was in me. And we were gently thrusting. And then he heard me hurt to softly snore like. Like he pays such close attention to my body in all of these insane ways.
00:48:00:07 - 00:48:16:11
Luna
Not just sexually like my posture, my, that like. And he is so receptive. Like the day after pounding when my pussy was a little swollen. We were playing a little bit and he was like, oh, oh, I can feel how like swollen this pussy is. And I was like, you can feel it. And he's like, yeah, you know.
00:48:16:11 - 00:48:32:15
Luna
So he heard my breathing change and then he just stood still. Until then, it got even heavier and I started to like, not just breathe heavy, but then snore. And so then once I was snoring, he was like, I was navigating it with myself as much as I was navigating it with you. Because I'm like, does this make me creepy?
00:48:32:15 - 00:48:36:06
Luna
And I was like, I've been baking you like I've been really asleep. Like, I.
00:48:36:06 - 00:48:37:03
Kimberly
Know.
00:48:37:05 - 00:49:07:17
Luna
I was like, I asked you before I fell asleep to like, I, you know, and he's like, I know that's what maybe go for it. And he's, he kept it very, very gentle and really, you know, because also because also I had a swollen pussy from all of my excitement and my reconnection celebrations. And so, that was really hot and, and the aftermath, getting to hear him describe it then and describe how he played with me, it's it's not just about like, oh, I got fucked in my sleep.
00:49:07:17 - 00:49:29:09
Luna
It's I have a partner who I feel safe enough with and who I know. There's enough mutual care and trust and desire and an overlap that we can do that. Because let me be really clear. Yeah. If I was spending the night with anyone else and they were like, oh, I heard that she likes this look, I'd be like, God, go rapist.
00:49:29:09 - 00:49:55:00
Luna
You know, like that would be very different. Like context is everything. And so navigating that, even with someone who like that night before I fell asleep, gave permission, there was still pause and thoughtfulness, and I was like, okay, thank you for being gentle because I was tender in these certain ways. And the next thing we get to cross off of our bucket list is, next time, wake me up with vigorous fucking, you know, because he said he definitely held back and he's like, I feel like I could have come with you.
00:49:55:00 - 00:50:07:13
Luna
Is that creepy? And I was like, not when I'm begging for it, you know? So yeah, those are. Yeah, the big, big, big updates. And, I feel like I just keep learning so much. Okay, well, I could talk forever with you.
00:50:07:15 - 00:50:08:12
Kimberly
Yes.
00:50:08:14 - 00:50:14:17
Luna
At the intros. Out of the way. Let's get the meat of it, buddy.
00:50:14:18 - 00:50:43:22
Kimberly
So next we have stories, celebrations, and questions from our lovely listeners. And this includes celebrating. And I don't think I've told you this yet. We got 2000, aka 2000, my partner with Alzheimer's. Oh, subscribers on the how do we YouTube channel. Okay. Very exciting. Great. And some of these lovely comments are obviously going to be from that channel.
00:50:44:00 - 00:51:10:01
Luna
Oh my gosh. Amazing okay. I'm like liberating that. And I will we will I think we should also wig liberate the fact that the Sex stories original channel is still standing at 11,000 ish plus a little bit more. So that's I mean, minus any of the episodes that YouTube took down as it's I improved and the algorithm started just, teaching, teaching me what was like really, really YouTube taboo.
00:51:10:01 - 00:51:33:20
Luna
I didn't know we didn't know their guidelines or we did hear and applied interestingly. And so just as a reminder for anyone listening as we go through this branding shift, Sex Stories is always going to be here. It's the heart of everything. And because the word sex scares some brands away from partnerships, we're experimenting with not that, but How to Woo has sex stories and other things.
00:51:33:20 - 00:51:46:08
Luna
So right now it has how to brothel. We're looking at a couple other mini series in the future and you know, open to divine unfolding but also new YouTube how to brothel has its own channel right?
00:51:46:10 - 00:51:52:20
Kimberly
Yes. Because we want to make sure that if a how to brothel gets taken down, the whole channel gets to stay up.
00:51:52:22 - 00:52:18:12
Luna
Yeah. So that so if you're ever like, what are all these convoluted branding of illusions? It is ridiculously actually from a logical place. And it's it's just figuring out which version of me it's safe to be in which places. We don't know how brands will respond to Luna and, you know, so we might we might.
00:52:18:14 - 00:52:35:23
Luna
And it's all fun because also what I'm like, at the end of the day, when people are the right fit for us, we attract the right for us people. Right. And so, yeah, more and more, as we are our authentic selves, that is the whole point behind all of this, is communicating openly and being our real selves and allowing ourselves to grow and change and be who we are.
00:52:35:23 - 00:52:53:06
Luna
So, so yeah, there's a horror brothel channel if you want to focus on only that one, there's how to woo. I know for a fact that people who were never aware of sex stories, who were introduced to how to woo first, quickly find sex stories. Because YouTube knows the algorithm, knows that it's the same person doing the same thing with different names.
00:52:53:08 - 00:53:18:14
Luna
And, it just feels so good to connect with other humans who have the same curiosity is whether that is loving, like the nerdy, formative learning details that different people have around sex, whether it's like brothel curious information, loving humans, whether whatever formed is connecting with people who care about sex. It's my favorite. So, 2000. Okay, that's pretty good, considering we just started that one beginning of the year.
00:53:18:14 - 00:53:34:16
Kimberly
Yeah. Oh, thanks for telling me that. Oh, my pleasure. And, talking about. Woo hoo! Our first question, actually, it comes from a YouTube comment. And the question is what is. Woohoo!
00:53:34:18 - 00:53:37:22
Luna
Okay, so great question. I love.
00:53:37:22 - 00:53:40:22
Kimberly
That question. It's it's many things okay.
00:53:40:22 - 00:54:03:06
Luna
So woohoo. And the reason that it is how to woohoo is woohoo is an old fashioned word. I'll get you some dictionary definitions here. So via the Apple dictionary that is on my computer, to woohoo is a verb that means to seek the favor of, support or custom of. And the example they give is pop. Stars are being wooed by film companies eager to sign them up.
00:54:03:06 - 00:54:07:06
Luna
What a weird example. Eager to sign a sign to sign the fun.
00:54:07:12 - 00:54:09:19
Kimberly
That's not how mainstream entertainment works.
00:54:09:20 - 00:54:30:02
Luna
Okay. I thought it was going to be like to buy the rights to their life story. Nope. Okay. The other the other version is okay. The, the dictionary says it's dated to try to gain the love of someone, especially with a view to marriage. Okay. Well, I'm definitely not using it in the marriage, oriented way.
00:54:30:04 - 00:54:31:09
Kimberly
However.
00:54:31:11 - 00:54:51:13
Luna
The reason that I use the word woo is because there is a romantic element and there is an element that goes beyond sex. And, well, sex stories have always been at the heart of it. What I've learned over the years is I wasn't I wasn't actually just trying to figure out the mechanics of sex. I was, but also what I was really seeking, you know, which I didn't know until later was emotional context.
00:54:51:13 - 00:55:16:15
Luna
And the different reasons that different people make different choices around it. So for me, wooing is a safe for work way to say we're talking about fucking here, but not just fucking. We're talking about relationship building. We're talking about what it takes to create arousal. I also looked up some thesaurus definitions. So here are some synonyms for woo.
00:55:16:17 - 00:55:38:21
Luna
Court to pay, court to pursue, chase, chase after or interesting a chasing element. Run after romance to romance to seek the hand of. Press one's suit with oh, no one's ever pressed their suit with me. I'm thinking of that in the literal way of like Leah Chase that we're like, ironing suit, set lens cap at make love to.
00:55:38:21 - 00:55:55:17
Luna
Okay, archaic spark. Interesting. You know, so there are different winning favor winning attractions. And then there's, Oh, this is interesting because this is not entice, tempt, coax, persuade, wheedle, sweet talk, smooth talk. Okay. So I would say that's.
00:55:55:22 - 00:55:56:16
Kimberly
Not.
00:55:56:16 - 00:55:58:12
Luna
How we're using it.
00:55:58:14 - 00:56:02:15
Kimberly
Well, not coercive. Hayes.
00:56:02:15 - 00:56:31:16
Luna
Yeah, nice. Because the whole point for me is that what takes place in wooing is the sort of beautiful dance of like, no, I really want you and you are important to me. And here's what I am offering in return. Here's what we can build together. Here's what we can co-create, you know? So in the traditional sense, when one was trying to woo another, typically, in the heteronormative sense, a man might woo a potential wife, it's showing up to be like, hey, this is how I'll take care of you.
00:56:31:18 - 00:56:53:06
Luna
So for me, woo encapsulates it. I also say woo woo an insane amount, and I also am known for being woo, which in the sense if you're describing someone in Los Angeles, you know, Los Angeles, woo woo is like it means woo woo, which means a little bit like I do have a couple decks of tarot cards. I, I know enough to be dangerous when it comes to astrology.
00:56:53:06 - 00:57:10:20
Luna
I can read a chart, you know, that was all happenstance. You know, it can mean spiritual. It can mean different things. I love the celebratory aspect, and I love the fact that it's like, you know, there's woo ladies. Like, we go woo woo woo hoo! And I absolutely do. I absolutely am like a woo woo type person.
00:57:10:20 - 00:57:31:04
Luna
And I think my family of origin, we say woo hoo a lot. And then the other funny thing is that after we called it How to Woo like I also like the way that it sounds with Luna, like Luna Luna woo hoo! Like Luna, like all of that makes me giggle so much. And Luna woo hoo ha is like originally was the joke of like, I got to do stand up at some point.
00:57:31:04 - 00:57:46:06
Luna
I don't know when I'm going to find time, but it's also very funny to make that my only name or to make that my body to handle, because it's like, oh, it is like, yeah, there's adult content here, and we're silly. Like, I love to be silly. And I think it is such a beautiful gift from the universe.
00:57:46:06 - 00:58:02:16
Luna
But after using it, other people were like, oh my God, like in The Sims. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. I never played The Sims, but woo hoo is apparently the Sims euphemism for sex. So yep, that's that's woo. That is how I understand. Woohoo! And to that I say woohoo!
00:58:02:21 - 00:58:06:12
Kimberly
Woohoo! Woohoo!
00:58:06:14 - 00:58:30:08
Kimberly
So our next message is from ARP. I have listened to and loved sex stories but somehow got away from it. I just ran across how to woohoo on Spotify and wanted to say how I missed your awesome energy and openness. Such a delight to get refamiliarize with your perspective, candor, and positivity. I look forward to catching up.
00:58:30:10 - 00:58:39:12
Luna
Oh wait, catch up. Does that mean we know which? Oh, catching up on episode oh, I was like, yeah, what are we catching up? You to come visit? Okay, I could come from the pod. Oh my.
00:58:39:12 - 00:58:41:10
Kimberly
Gosh. Oh wait. That's so sweet. Wait.
00:58:41:15 - 00:58:59:09
Luna
I feel like that's the first email connect the dots moment that I've experienced. Like I've had a couple of people have visited me in person, in person, but never. And I've accidentally shocked people in person in a great way. Have you ever listen to Sex Toys with Wiley as a matter of fact, yeah.
00:58:59:11 - 00:59:02:21
Kimberly
Yeah.
00:59:02:23 - 00:59:12:00
Luna
In fact, I used to edit it myself. No. In the Precambrian, the sad Kimberly days. Wow, that's.
00:59:12:02 - 00:59:12:23
Kimberly
That's really sweet.
00:59:12:23 - 00:59:27:15
Luna
I'm looking forward to that. That is so nice to hear. I know that people go through seasons I have. I mean, gosh, I am behind on the latest with my my darling Andrew. I have not been caught up in that.
00:59:27:17 - 00:59:28:23
Kimberly
Lately.
00:59:29:00 - 00:59:46:08
Luna
Which has a lot to do with heather and feathering and then spending more time with people. It's like, oh, when I'm not alone, painting or going through photos all the time, there is less time for stuff in my years, like when I'm hanging out around other people. When do I read six books a week, you know, how do I listen to three hour podcasts and binge them?
00:59:46:08 - 00:59:48:02
Kimberly
There is only so much time.
00:59:48:02 - 00:59:51:11
Luna
I gotta figure out balance. I like it all, so. Okay. Oh, that's so sweet.
00:59:51:15 - 01:00:15:14
Kimberly
Okay. All right. And then our next one is, YouTube comment from TLM. And this is on sexual surrogacy and squirting with chat. Great interview y thanks for creating and sharing with the universe. I love how you brought out this person's wide breadth of experiences, and how these experiences can help so many people. Really interesting topics covered. Quick question.
01:00:15:16 - 01:00:35:10
Kimberly
At around 55 minutes into the interview, Chet talks about these sporting workshops that he hosts, and he sets up a hard boundary where attendees are to not touch themselves. While I understand the motivation and need behind such a boundary. This seems a bit harsh for such a workshop where the end goal is releasing bodily fluids through sexual stimulation, either physical or mental.
01:00:35:12 - 01:01:00:11
Kimberly
We'd love to hear your thoughts on situations where the releases in the audience are maybe, in fact, not actually physical from touching oneself, but rather a mental audio and visual stimulation they are witnessing happening on stage from the participants. Thanks for considering my request here for more clarification. Again, just a beautiful interview. Very inspired by the love, kindness and compassion shared in this episode.
01:01:00:13 - 01:01:01:12
Kimberly
TLM to.
01:01:01:12 - 01:01:29:18
Luna
Other. How wonderful! Okay, I think this is a totally fair question, and I think it comes down to what irresistible invitation is on the table. So what kind of space are they curating? And if I remember correctly, Chet was curating a space that was meant to be more explicitly educational, even though it was erotic versus something of erotic energy exchange.
01:01:29:18 - 01:01:59:06
Luna
So this is a nuance that I spend a lot of time explaining, especially when people write to me at the ranch. Erotic exchange of energy is very different from being explicitly erotic. There is a lot of conflation because we live in a society where there often are not clear boundaries set. So I can understand that, especially as a penis owning workshop holder, inviting people who can squirt which are pussy owners, into a space.
01:01:59:12 - 01:02:31:16
Luna
The desire is to create a very safe space. And unless the angle of the workshop is an erotic play workshop, I can understand how they would want attendees to simply be witnesses rather than participants, even if it's energetic. Now you hit upon something that I feel very, very passionate about. And let me be really, really clear. I think there are different spaces everywhere for different types of sex education, and in my personal experience.
01:02:31:18 - 01:03:01:05
Luna
Now I am not a certified sex educator. I am the creative educator. I love the freedom that comes with. I love that I can use whatever modalities with where and however I want. And in fact, part of the reason that I have chosen to not pursue official degrees from official places with certifications, and the reason I didn't want to ultimately get a masters is because I want to create that peer to peer invitation for erotic exchange while learning.
01:03:01:06 - 01:03:34:16
Luna
So I think what is being kind of hit upon here is like, wait, that's a really hot thing, and can't I learn and get turned on at the same time? I would say it's totally possible and it's simply a different event. So I imagine that if Chet were creating or if I were creating a squirting workshop, I might find friends who are comfortable being the squirt toy, being the demonstrator, you know, letting me demonstrate with them for an audience and co-creating a group situation where turn on is allowed.
01:03:34:22 - 01:04:02:09
Luna
And in fact, that is exactly what I have in mind for my future sex parties, like the play parties that I would want at, whether it's a super brothel or another space, whether it's the creative bnbs, whatever it is, I really, really aspire to create more and more edge erotic content. So it is explicitly educational and erotic at the same time, because for me, the clinical I understand why it's important to have clinical explanations.
01:04:02:11 - 01:04:19:02
Luna
And literally that's what's missing for me, and that's why this podcast exists, is I want the permission to get aroused. Now, that said, I didn't realize this podcast was arousing to people like I did not know until the last year that people were jerking off while listening.
01:04:19:04 - 01:04:19:20
Kimberly
You know, we learn.
01:04:19:20 - 01:04:40:14
Luna
Things that our own timing and some of us are very naive at our own rate. And, that's it. I guess I would guess that that's the reason. And I can totally see it both ways. And I think both have value. And I also know that some people in audiences may not want to participate in that way. And it's sort of like creating a space where there is a baseline.
01:04:40:14 - 01:04:52:19
Luna
And, you know, I think if it were not a workshop, but in fact, organized as a play party or the educational piece to get the play party started, that would be a different scenario. Any additional questions on that? Kimberly, what do you think?
01:04:52:20 - 01:05:23:01
Kimberly
I just had the thought that you could have a workshop, but you could have a splash zone. So that first couple of rows where people who are like there to play and then whoever is like being the toy or the example, the demonstration, is comfortable with that. And then the people who are behind a certain level, like everyone knows this, like not there for interaction, but is there to simply learn the idea of a squirting splash zone.
01:05:23:02 - 01:05:25:18
Kimberly
It's so in my brain.
01:05:25:19 - 01:05:42:18
Luna
I don't know if I have like told you this part of I don't know if this goes in the super brothel or I think I've always envisaged it as a creation space. Which creation spaces are the creative zones connected to the future sex museums? Ideally in every major city where within like an hour or two of every city, everywhere, like perfect world.
01:05:42:20 - 01:06:01:21
Luna
I always have envisioned a circular stage. You know, where the action happens in the known erased stage. So you can have, you know, platforms that go up and down, whatever. And the places that are closer are for people who want to interact and play. And then up in the wings more, you know, are the boxes, the places that are more sectioned off.
01:06:01:21 - 01:06:18:08
Luna
And there's like the watcher zone. I even imagine, like there could be certain nights where it's like, couples who only want to play with their partner are here. Couples who might want to play with singles are here, singles are here. You know, singles who want to play with couples are on this divided land. So also organizing the audience in that way.
01:06:18:14 - 01:06:37:06
Luna
And so it would be like in left to right, but also top to bottom. So the closer that you are to the action, the more you want to get to action. And so yeah, that's that's how I met that. And again, I think all what's at the heart of this is it comes back to what is the clear invitation.
01:06:37:06 - 01:06:54:17
Luna
And are we all on the same pitch because it basically becomes a consent issue if there is a lack of clarity. And so, yeah, totally understand the boundary can totally imagine a fun situation that has clarity where people could learn and play, and that is totally awesome.
01:06:54:19 - 01:07:16:23
Kimberly
Our next one is from C. This is an email. Hi Luna. I'm from California and it seems like love just isn't in the cards. Oh well again, okay. I'm typically a shy guy who has been placed in the friend zone too many times to count. It isn't from a lack of trying or being outgoing, but too many times in life and love I just feel invisible.
01:07:17:05 - 01:07:45:21
Kimberly
And when I try to be outspoken, I am criticized or felt that I don't belong and that I should continue to be this quiet, reserved person. The truth is that I want to embrace a wild, crazy side of me. But because of cultural societal beliefs, I don't want to bring shame, disappointment, or embarrassment to my family. As I approach another birthday celebration in a few months, I am torn to share that I am still a virgin at 40, almost 41, and have yet to experience that first kiss.
01:07:45:23 - 01:08:11:11
Kimberly
It isn't because of any religious or spiritual reasons. Part of me wants to have that experience, but if I want to be true to myself, I am someone who wants it to be meaningful, memorable, and special. I'm also currently desperately searching for a new job, as I am not given the tools to be successful, grow, or learn. It is also extremely frustrating because I am constantly being treated as somebody who is disposable, like my input.
01:08:11:11 - 01:08:32:17
Kimberly
Creativity. Innovation doesn't matter. In short, the workplace is a toxic workplace and despite trying to leave and find something else, it's just hard because I just keep getting rejection letter after rejection letter. At the moment I'm trying to find some inspiration as I'm constantly feeling defeated and disposable, as well as being like a pawn on someone else's chessboard.
01:08:32:19 - 01:08:55:05
Kimberly
I have tried to take back some sort of control or power, because I am tired of feeling silenced and being dismissed as I want to reclaim my voice. However, no matter what I try to do, I feel like I'm getting the same results anyway. I have a wild side that I would like to embrace, though I'm still not sure how much I would actually commit or follow through with these types of wild adventures.
01:08:55:11 - 01:09:19:12
Kimberly
Only because part of me still wants to remain true to who I am. Furthermore, I just want to feel comfortable in my own skin, which at times is I want to be naked. If I could, I would like to live a naked lifestyle as I believe it is better for everything, including the planet. Unfortunately, I have never been naked around others, but would like to hopefully have that experience and acceptance.
01:09:19:14 - 01:09:43:13
Kimberly
Though ideally I prefer if it was around a female group compared to other males, as I can have that feeling of self-consciousness and inadequacies. One crazy fantasy that I currently have is being the only one naked, with just a jacket and a cowboy hat at a wedding. People talk about having a naked wedding, but my take is that I would attend the ceremony and reception naked.
01:09:43:15 - 01:10:10:13
Kimberly
In essence, I would be the only one naked. Furthermore, I would be seated at the singles table at the reception, which would also be basically all the single and beautiful ladies. The only other guys present are those in a committed relationship and seated on the other side of the venue. Clearly, all the guests would be wondering why there is a naked person attending, but a toast to the new bride and groom would reveal that a bet was made years ago in which I lost, hence having to attend naked.
01:10:10:15 - 01:10:32:04
Kimberly
Now one of the single ladies at the table as a wild, crazy idea in which to make everyone at the singles table feel a bit more comfortable with each other. And that is to have me, the naked person, remove the panties of all the beautiful ladies at the table and hold on to them for safekeeping. As the reception nears the end, the traditional bridal bouquet toss and garter toss is done differently.
01:10:32:06 - 01:10:52:07
Kimberly
The bride would select someone at the singles table to give the bouquet to, and since I would be the only single guy present, I would get the garter. After a quick picture, it would only be fair if the two of us had a dance. However, the wild twist is that I would place the garter on her thigh and then proceed to remove her dress.
01:10:52:09 - 01:11:12:18
Kimberly
Basically we would be a naked couple. Afterwards, we and the rest of the single ladies from the table would proceed to an after party in which I would carry my newly naked single girl over the threshold, and then I would get to remove the remaining clothing from all the other single ladies, thus creating a naked party with so many beautiful naked single ladies.
01:11:12:23 - 01:11:31:18
Kimberly
Maybe things get steamy after that, and maybe more fun naked adventures the next morning. Anyway, it is just a crazy fantasy. Thanks for the opportunity to get the chance to connect with you. I hope that love and the possibility of being surrounded by beautiful ladies and a naked lifestyle is somehow in the cards for me. With love. See?
01:11:31:19 - 01:11:33:05
Kimberly
XO xo.
01:11:33:07 - 01:11:41:03
Luna
Oh my great goodness. Wow. Okay. There's so much to respond to there. First, I want to celebrate what.
01:11:41:03 - 01:11:42:16
Kimberly
A beautifully.
01:11:42:20 - 01:12:07:01
Luna
Detailed fantasy. And thank you for sharing that. Like, that's so fun. I can absolutely see that being like the seed of a porno. And I mean, we've heard of clothed female, naked male kinks, foot proclivities. I believe Brett was the person we interviewed who shared that he has a and then Mistress Luna also, who is, very, very, very into that.
01:12:07:03 - 01:12:16:12
Luna
And as a mistress, I have been I mean, my, my current dynamic that I'm in, I ironically don't get naked.
01:12:16:14 - 01:12:18:09
Kimberly
And so it is like it.
01:12:18:09 - 01:12:41:08
Luna
Is very funny and, it's appropriate for that connection. Right. So for the right reasons, I absolutely love wearing clothes, especially when a partner buys clothes for me and they are top notch there. You know, none of that cheap polyester shit that is itchy and makes me hot and sweaty and I can't. I can't handle that. But, when it's an elegant catsuit that leaves me feeling and looking smoking hot.
01:12:41:08 - 01:13:00:16
Luna
And it's soft and nice. Yes. Not velvet, certainly not fake. Let's be very clear. So all that is to say, I feel like this is like not just clothe, female, naked, clothe, wedding naked male in a cowboy hat. I love the detail of the cowboy hat. I am curious about that. And you know, I love I love the depth of this.
01:13:00:16 - 01:13:22:02
Luna
And I also love that in a situation where it sounds like there are many, many ways where there are feelings inside that are not as empowered as you would like to create that for yourself in that story of sharing that, I think that that really is the way that we organize our energy to call in more of what we want.
01:13:22:03 - 01:13:38:08
Luna
So that said, I'm not going to go into super therapist mode. Like I would say, a lot of the stuff at the beginning of that message is, is the type of stuff that I work on with coaching clients and also maybe better suited for actual therapy, because it sounds like there might be something to process in eMDR or to explore through parts.
01:13:38:08 - 01:13:59:06
Luna
Work of IFS internal family systems therapy. I'm a huge, huge fan of those modalities. Like eMDR is really, really great for, especially if there's been an acute trauma or patterns of trauma. So when patterns keep coming up over and over again, you know, I had my own journey with understanding my degradation parts and understanding the part of me I used to.
01:13:59:08 - 01:14:26:15
Luna
I used to also be a person who use the word try. I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying. And I heard that a lot in this message, and I have replaced that language in myself with I'm practicing. I've invited Kimberly to join me in like, powerful language reframes. And so we say things like, we're in a new era in which X, y, Z, whatever it is that we're calling in, whatever it is that we're practicing, and I want to make sure that in sharing this, it's not negating the pain.
01:14:26:15 - 01:14:59:17
Luna
Because also, like, I know it's a comedy, I know that sometimes people like, oh, you take comedy too seriously. It's just a joke. But like, fuck 40 Year Old Virgin because I know so many people that have in their brain this extra layer of judgment that's more about like being a 40 year old virgin because of that movie, because of the like, social things that go along with it, rather than focusing on like, I really want to have a satisfying connection with a partner where I can express love physically, like it makes it about like, oh, I got to swipe my V card.
01:14:59:17 - 01:15:20:16
Luna
Oh, I got to get this box checked off. Rather than having us focus on what sort of connection do we want to make, you know, and I would I would also put like the idea of being friend zoned in a similarly kind of like toxic trope narrative. And I understand that it's painful. I too have been there. I got rejected so much going up, but I, you know, and it's confusing.
01:15:20:16 - 01:15:58:14
Luna
It's sad, it's painful, and there is a different energy that comes from a romantic connection than a friendship connection. And I say this as a person who does often fuck her friends like it's a different container. Being in the friend zone isn't bad. It's a different thing, you know? And when two people are at such a different point in where they are in the connection, to me, that is indicative of a lack of clear communication on one or both sides, maybe a lack of clarity about like, why we're investing in a relationship, you know, and I also I've heard from many of my lady friends like, I don't know if you can believe I've experienced
01:15:58:14 - 01:16:15:03
Luna
that, but different versions of like, oh, he didn't even really like me. He was just trying to get something like, he didn't even want to be my friend. It's this, you know, I think that is similarly toxic because it's not true. Like, I have had plenty of people, some of whom later became lovers. But early on I was like, oh, I really like that person.
01:16:15:05 - 01:16:30:07
Luna
And they're in another connection, or they don't see me that way, or, you know, whatever X, y, z logistics reasons, it's like. And so I'm like, but I care about them so much as a human being that no matter what happens, I mean, your relational origin story is with a friend.
01:16:30:09 - 01:16:30:18
Kimberly
Yeah.
01:16:30:18 - 01:16:44:14
Luna
And in those moments where there is a container shift, I think it requires both, like mutual desire. And also you guys had a really clear communication about do you want to explore both together.
01:16:44:16 - 01:17:08:17
Kimberly
You know. Yeah. The day they were like, you know, if, if anyone was ever flirting with me, I'd need them to be really clear. Like, if they wanted to ask me out. And I was like, yeah, me too. I would need it to be really clear. And then I had the realization of, oh, I like this person.
01:17:08:17 - 01:17:30:20
Kimberly
And then the next day I was like, hey, so I'm attracted to you. I'm interested in exploring things further. I think we were both on the same page, and we were so working okay. But, very, very slowly. And I didn't realize that we were both doing that at the same time. I was just being honest of like, yeah, I would need it to be really obvious.
01:17:30:22 - 01:17:35:18
Kimberly
And then I made it really obvious. So it worked out in that instance.
01:17:35:20 - 01:17:54:12
Luna
Wait a second. I think we're on to something here, I mean, and how beautiful. And that's and that's an example of like a case where it was successful. Everything worked out. And, you know, I've been in lots of situations where I did not know how it was going to go. And, you know, and in fact, the person didn't just want to be a fuck buddy, you know.
01:17:54:12 - 01:18:24:11
Luna
And so that's that's the other thing is like sometimes it's like, okay, well, maybe we will be friends and maybe we will also fuck. And also then where does that leave? So it's I think that I really would push back on the idea that being in a friend zone is bad. Now, that said, if we find ourselves in a friendship that only exists because we were hoping that it's romantic, I think that we perhaps need to get a little bit more honest with ourselves and our friends about that and make different choices, because behaviors are different.
01:18:24:11 - 01:18:36:18
Luna
Like it is very different to choose someone than to be their friend. Like, I'm going to go out and well, I don't know. I do like to be generous and treat my friends to lots of things, but but not not in a way where I don't really think.
01:18:37:00 - 01:18:37:17
Kimberly
Clear about it.
01:18:37:17 - 01:18:39:13
Luna
I'm so clear about it. And also it's just.
01:18:39:15 - 01:18:41:05
Kimberly
It's just it's just really nice.
01:18:41:07 - 01:19:03:19
Luna
You know? So maybe that's a bad example, but I would say that it's perfectly normal to be like, hey, I would love to hang out with you romantically. And here's what I would love to do, and here's what I would love to do for you. Now, I would say that becomes increasingly difficult when in a space of feeling beaten down, feeling like maybe self-love isn't where it needs to be.
01:19:03:19 - 01:19:31:22
Luna
Feeling unsuccessful because job things are unclear, and working in a toxic environment certainly doesn't help self-love or self-esteem grow. So I would say my take away from this whole thing is I don't think there was a clear asking here for for advice, but because there was like such a such a preamble, it sounds like there is a wildly creative, hopeful, wonderful, wild human in there that maybe has something that's been shut down.
01:19:31:22 - 01:19:52:18
Luna
But I heard society, I heard family, I heard this kind of pressure to be a certain way or seem a certain way. I understand what that's like. And, you know, I had my own process in breaking down my parts and pieces and my own shoulds and deciding what sort of life I want to live and how I want to actively co-create with other people.
01:19:52:19 - 01:20:13:14
Luna
I also will say this type of message is why a lot of people come to visit ladies at the ranch, you know? So at Sherry's there is a lot of healing that can happen by creating touchstone experiences with someone who is a safe environment where rejection is not well, that's not true. Rejection can definitely be part of the equation because we still need politeness and niceness.
01:20:13:14 - 01:20:37:04
Luna
I certainly am a person that I'm like, if you don't like, no amount of money can balance out rudeness. Like, I still have to have good energy in my sphere. And assuming that someone is kind and respectful and polite and willing to invest in an experience, I know so many people who have had really, really remarkable shifts and that's, you know, I had to go back to our previous one.
01:20:37:09 - 01:20:58:23
Luna
I think it's a way that people can learn and have an erotic experience safely in a safe container where it's clear. And I definitely have helped some people bring their wild parts out in those sorts of ways. And, you know, I think it also is a matter of how how willing are we to look at our pain points and how much are we willing to invest in our own healing.
01:20:59:01 - 01:21:20:09
Luna
And I know that penis owners especially, are discouraged from therapy, often because it has to do with feelings. I will say I personally would not consider a long term relationship with anyone who has not done a good amount of work on themselves. Therapy is not the only way to invite healing, however, it's a great way to have someone hold space for another someone.
01:21:20:11 - 01:21:46:09
Luna
And the last thing I will say is if therapy feels unreachable, I really, really, really stand by the book You Can Heal Your Life by Louise Hay I know that some people are like, oh, it's woo, it's so woo woo and she's the fairy godmother of self-help. It really is helpful. It really has helped me reconstruct my thought patterns in such powerful ways that I see where I am limiting myself, and I see how I actually can heal my own life.
01:21:46:09 - 01:22:11:16
Luna
And it's not to say that the patterns go away immediately, but if someone feels like therapy is not accessible or not an option, I would say start there and or do whatever sort of healing or self-help on your self that can bring about more self-love at a deeper level, because when we have that deep, deep, deep need, like when I was in my succubus mode, like just looking for other people to fill my void, it's not a good look, it's not hot, it's not attractive.
01:22:11:16 - 01:22:30:14
Luna
And the more that I'm in this sort of like state of goddess hood, knowing that I've got me, that I can take care of myself, that I have plenty to offer, and that I can entertain myself. It is increasingly attractive, you know, in the meantime, make love to yourself. Have you done a menstruation meditation sensation? Exploration?
01:22:30:14 - 01:22:49:04
Luna
You know, let that be powerful. Let that call in the energy of partnership. That's loving and nurturing and safe that you want. And at the same time, I want to validate the bummer stuff of what society creates in those in those situations. And also, like there's always hope. And it's only when we tell ourselves really gnarly stories about it's too late that then we give up on ourselves.
01:22:49:04 - 01:22:50:14
Luna
And that's the opposite of self-love.
01:22:50:14 - 01:23:17:19
Kimberly
So yeah. Yeah. All right. Next we've got, sweet follow up message from our friend Anne. And then life happened. Hi. I just wanted to let you know I haven't given up on my dream of talking with you. Woohoo! Me neither. Whatever it is of my busy travel schedule and finishing construction on a new garage office, my dad had to start chemo and the world turned upside down.
01:23:17:21 - 01:23:39:06
Kimberly
The overwhelmed ness. Is that a word I need it to be? A word of being so far behind in things, coupled with suddenly having to become a parent for my parents and let's face it, staring directly into the face of mortality is trying to crush me. Deep breaths. However, your podcast is one of the things that keeps me going and to manifest.
01:23:39:06 - 01:23:58:05
Kimberly
Actually getting to talk with you. I've started writing my story, when life put me in a holding pattern, I got a notebook and started writing as it come back to me, I feel I have a couple of really interesting insights that I am excited to noodle with you, and I feel like I have something of value to add to the conversation.
01:23:58:07 - 01:24:14:17
Kimberly
I think my story might be helpful encouragement to older adults who never got to fully play with sex, but need to take control of their pleasure and do so. And for young adults, every time, we can tell them of our experiences that went sideways, maybe we can help even just one of them make a better choice than we did.
01:24:14:18 - 01:24:23:04
Kimberly
So back into the fray. I hope you guys are staying safe and well. Please take care of yourselves and Anne.
01:24:23:06 - 01:24:41:13
Luna
I am so sorry to hear about your dad. That sounds really tough and I am so glad to hear that you are writing, and to hear that it's only a matter of time before we speak, and I really hope that we speak either in November or January, so we don't have to wait a whole other year. That is really sweet.
01:24:41:13 - 01:25:05:06
Luna
Like, really special. And, thank you. It especially on the days where I'm like, oh my God, this podcast is so much work and I'm traveling so much. And does anyone even care about these conversations? And what does it all matter? You know, what do we does the world need another podcast? It feels so gratifying to hear this and then to get to look forward to connecting with our sweet audience is, is awesome.
01:25:05:06 - 01:25:14:21
Luna
So I, so color me curious to hear what these noodles are. And I look forward to noodling on them with you and divine timing.
01:25:14:23 - 01:25:41:01
Kimberly
All right. And our next one is a YouTube comment from BW. And this is on Jay's episode submissive, sassy, and Panty Hose. And I have the note of just saying that there are other commenters who have been agreeing and feeling really seen by Jay's experiences. Okay, here's the comment. What is it about pantyhose that attracts me and the rest of these guys?
01:25:41:03 - 01:26:02:03
Kimberly
It was like it was instinctual. I remember being in elementary school and ogling the young teachers and short skirts all in pantyhose. I am more attracted to a woman wearing it, but I too, as a child, tried on a pair of my moms and gotten instant action. I have tried to get my wife to wear lingerie but have had little luck.
01:26:02:05 - 01:26:08:14
Kimberly
I told her recently I would pay her. Oh, I may well wear 62. She looks great.
01:26:08:16 - 01:26:29:19
Luna
Okay, obviously this is my money. Keep talking. That's going to say this loudly. First, the idea of partners paying each other is so hot. It's so hot to me. It's hot to me. Both directions. I had a partner just a few weeks ago Venmo me 30 bucks to go do a nice thing for myself as I was in, you know, in my travels coming and going.
01:26:29:19 - 01:26:54:11
Luna
And I got so turned on, you know, it's not about the amount of money, it's about the thoughtfulness behind it. And then I got to also, like, repay the favor in another way. I mean, I think concrete shows of value are so hot. I understand that's not everyone's thing. I'm also like, if you've already joined your lives and you see your assets as together, it's a really fun game and that's, you know, and just showing.
01:26:54:12 - 01:27:16:12
Luna
And if you and if your assets are not together, then it's like, hey, go treat yourself. Go, go do something. Go do whatever you want. Like, you know, as much as I like flowers, as much as I love food, I also love being able to buy those things for myself or my friends. Like, I love being able to go at, you know, 30 bucks is a coffee and croissants for a few friends.
01:27:16:12 - 01:27:18:21
Luna
Like, I love that.
01:27:18:23 - 01:27:19:18
Kimberly
Yeah.
01:27:19:20 - 01:27:37:00
Luna
And so okay, so to go back to the topic, because that's like the idea of paying your wife to wear pantyhose, especially if it's something that she doesn't want to do. I'm like, how would that change people's sex lives if instead of trying to, like, convince partners into things of like that, I'll pay you like, oh, here's how much I want this thing that's so hot to me.
01:27:37:01 - 01:27:39:22
Kimberly
Okay. Yeah. We just want you to, you know.
01:27:40:03 - 01:27:41:16
Luna
Do you know, explicitly, like, explicitly.
01:27:41:16 - 01:27:42:12
Kimberly
Everybody kink or is it just.
01:27:42:12 - 01:27:44:06
Luna
Cute? Like, what does it feel like for you?
01:27:44:08 - 01:28:07:03
Kimberly
I don't explicitly have a money, can it? It's more. It's the feeling taken care of. Yeah. Like for me. Yeah. It's so sweet. I mean, when we went to the spa, you paid for my parking and you texted me beforehand, I was like, oh, that's so nice. It lights me up in, like, a really a really lovely way.
01:28:07:03 - 01:28:09:18
Kimberly
And it feels really taken care of. Yes. Next.
01:28:09:20 - 01:28:24:13
Luna
So nurtured. Yeah. And especially I think in this case where one partner wants something the other one's like not that into it. It's like, let me find another way to nurture you. Like can I inspire it? And you know, and I think that's completely different from just like, come on, babe.
01:28:24:13 - 01:28:28:21
Kimberly
Like, yeah. Like kind of like a even woman.
01:28:29:00 - 01:28:48:13
Luna
Yeah. Or even the, like, tit for tat. Like, I'll try the sexual thing if you try that sexual thing. And it's. That might work for some people. And I think like the subtlety of the energy is what makes a difference. Right. Like it's like, okay, if you want to versus like, what can I do to excite you? So I would love to hear from BW if that didn't take place.
01:28:48:15 - 01:28:54:00
Luna
And I'm also curious how short your teachers skirts were, like that. My brain is like how short though?
01:28:54:00 - 01:29:02:18
Kimberly
Like like how short? Like, I mean, even if it's maybe just above the knee. I'm just thinking about school.
01:29:02:20 - 01:29:04:21
Luna
I'm like, I'm doing math. I feel like it would all.
01:29:04:23 - 01:29:11:07
Kimberly
Be underneath the fingertips, like lower than the fingertips. So if it's just like above the knee, maybe it's just the knee because no.
01:29:11:07 - 01:29:12:08
Luna
But for teachers.
01:29:12:08 - 01:29:13:06
Kimberly
Tantalizing.
01:29:13:11 - 01:29:35:18
Luna
Like, yeah, like I'm like I'm also like what era was that like yes, this is 62. Yeah. So okay. Well, I don't know what it is like. And I would say I'm less interested in exploring the what than I am the like how you know, the what or the why. Like I don't need to I am not we don't need to like, psychoanalyze people.
01:29:35:18 - 01:29:58:12
Luna
We can. It seems to be more harmful and helpful for most people. But I love the how. Like how does it turn you on? Like how did it make you feel? I know for me, the positive part of pantyhose are feeling squeezed. Like I love the compression feeling. I love that it makes legs look perfectly smooth, like unnaturally shiny in some cases, depending on the texture.
01:29:58:12 - 01:30:14:18
Luna
They have the matte ones. They're the shiny ones. I like all of it. I love that, like that. Like the leg shape is there, but you can't see the skin. There's something like enticing about that. And the feeling. Yeah, for a while. I love how squeezy it is. And then sometimes I'm like, I can't breathe, get it off of me.
01:30:14:18 - 01:30:15:11
Luna
Especially if it's.
01:30:15:12 - 01:30:15:18
Kimberly
Too.
01:30:15:18 - 01:30:26:01
Luna
Squeezy. I'm itchy. Or like what I would hate as a younger child having to wear pantyhose or like putting on tights. Like the white tights. I call those tights not petticoats, but you know, like those.
01:30:26:03 - 01:30:27:05
Kimberly
Yeah, I would call them. Yeah.
01:30:27:05 - 01:30:44:07
Luna
I hated when they would fall down my crotch like, so that my at the top of my legs could touch each other between them and feeling that feeling. It was a no go for me. So like for me, it's the tightness. It's the constriction. It's the being, you know, squished together. It's the reason that I think I will like latex when I try it.
01:30:44:08 - 01:30:57:18
Luna
Oh my God, that's the other update. I have a latex skirt now and I have all the things to get out of it. I'm gonna have to put it on at some point, but I haven't. I want to have help with someone who's better at LaTeX. So, yeah, I do have any additional thoughts on penny jobs? I love that people get her.
01:30:57:20 - 01:31:00:18
Luna
I want to know how many people get erections when I.
01:31:00:19 - 01:31:10:09
Kimberly
It's so funny because any time I'm compiling these comments, I'm like, BW apply to be a guest. We have so many questions for you. We want to know more.
01:31:10:11 - 01:31:14:14
Luna
Agree I agree, I'm like that right? There could be a full episode. I mean, yeah.
01:31:14:16 - 01:31:36:13
Kimberly
Truly. Yeah. All right. Well, okay. Our next one is a YouTube comment from BW on lady CS episode four play for days and it says great show. Luna. I learned something new or an idea gets activated almost every show I watch. Thank you and keep up the awesome work.
01:31:36:15 - 01:31:46:01
Luna
Oh, thank you so much. And if this is the CW that I am thinking of, extra nice to hear from you.
01:31:46:03 - 01:31:51:16
Kimberly
Our next one is from LG and this is from the puffy jacket fetish. We think.
01:31:51:16 - 01:31:52:16
Luna
About this whole.
01:31:52:17 - 01:31:53:06
Kimberly
Story.
01:31:53:11 - 01:32:06:06
Luna
I think about this. So. So Dylan and I, I took a picture with a giant puffy jacket that I found in New York last year. Like, I'm like, I, I can't find the original. Did we find the original email? I don't know where it is. Okay.
01:32:06:07 - 01:32:26:20
Kimberly
Anyways, the puffy jacket, I'm not sure. Anyway, so this comment, is. Hello, I am a German straight guy, 21 years old, and I have a fur fetish. When I was 11, that was when I found out how beautiful real furs are, especially on women. And it really turned me on every time I looked at them on public sidewalks.
01:32:26:22 - 01:32:47:07
Kimberly
For about two and a half years, I have collected furs for myself and found out also that real fur coats fit so well on me. It's like a perfect match and a present in my life. So furs are 50 over 50 for fetish and as a fashion icon, I don't care what people think of me wearing real furs.
01:32:47:07 - 01:32:57:16
Kimberly
And I got many compliments on my first that make me happy. Fur is a special material that makes me horny and I love to play with it. And touch it.
01:32:57:18 - 01:33:21:08
Luna
Okay, so I think that's really cute. I love hearing the different types of fetish. Also, I'm getting strong. Let me just start by saying I'm getting strong. Venus in Fur vibes. I don't know if you read that like it's. Yeah, it's, yeah. It's like basically like very, very much. I mean, I didn't hear anything about power dynamics in here or like, aunts who might, like, administer disciplines.
01:33:21:10 - 01:33:43:04
Luna
And that said, I think that if anyone is going to wear real fur in this world, it should be someone who has this level of appreciation, like this level of fetish for it. And, you know, especially I'm imagining this person attracting all of the vintage fur, all the fur that's out there and like, you know, I'm not I'm not weighing in on, like, the should there shouldn't there be furs?
01:33:43:04 - 01:34:07:18
Luna
I definitely have inherited a couple of pieces of fur. And I also definitely found an old piece of, fur coat that I like. Oh my God, soft, fuzzy. Love the animal like I. You know, we got to honor them if they already are. A coat is my opinion. And, I think that having that level of, reverie is special, and, like, I'm like, yeah, someone was going to take my skin.
01:34:07:19 - 01:34:11:21
Luna
I would, I would want them to appreciate it that much. So weird.
01:34:11:23 - 01:34:14:08
Kimberly
But I got it.
01:34:14:10 - 01:34:16:07
Luna
Okay. Who do we have next?
01:34:16:09 - 01:34:44:22
Kimberly
We have a YouTube comment from C.K. on GG's original episode, and this one threw me a little bit. So listen for the ride. Is this podcast like some high brow audio porn, or is this real? It feels kind of forced at times. This is a legitimate question. If it's all fake with the purpose of getting people all fired up, I have to say pretty freaking good concept.
01:34:45:00 - 01:34:48:12
Luna
I don't know how am I happy on my side? I don't know.
01:34:48:12 - 01:34:51:09
Kimberly
Like deeply disappointed and like.
01:34:51:13 - 01:34:56:13
Luna
Like laughing that someone thinks that I would go to all of the F like, no, I think.
01:34:56:16 - 01:34:59:04
Kimberly
I think what it is for me is like.
01:34:59:06 - 01:35:23:02
Luna
The idea that I would be capable of being that level of strategic, which is represented nowhere in my work. Like I'm so deeply driven by curiosity that, that is hilarious. And I'm like, is maybe GG's original episode is how she was orgasming. I think she orgasms in that episode or makes the noises. That's just Gigi. That's how Gigi is that.
01:35:23:02 - 01:35:49:19
Luna
Why did you do that? My best friends? Because she shows up and she's like, I'm like this, you know? And it's appropriate. She's. We hang out around her family. My family, we call each other wives and, you know, so it's like we have, all of our siblings, our parents, our parents, whatever we like. But I think it's so funny that someone would think that I would contrive that, like, I'm also like, that person has no idea about me, and also like what?
01:35:50:00 - 01:36:12:19
Luna
That to me would be a mind boggling way to spend one's life. Like, I'm like the idea, because even the amount of time that it takes me to write out the how, the brothels or the amount of time that we take preparing and recording these episodes like, that's so funny. And I'm like, yeah, could this person please give me like, like I'm like, I want to hear what feels forced.
01:36:12:21 - 01:36:29:11
Luna
I think if anything, it's me trying to figure out how to talk, and like, me trying to get words out when I get excited, but like, it's so funny because I'm like, you know? So it just makes me wonder about this person's backstory and like, what kind of how well did they grow up in, like, what? Like, did they grow up in a family where they lie to each other?
01:36:29:13 - 01:36:50:08
Kimberly
Well, a lot of families lie to each other. I mean, I think I think part of it is that there are a lot of people in the world, and there are a lot of different lives that people are living. And I think that it's probably just a complete unfamiliarity with the way that you and Judy show up in the world.
01:36:50:08 - 01:37:02:02
Kimberly
And I think it's probably just like, essentially like a culture shock is how I received this comment when I first read it, because I was like, hey, I was like, oh! And I thought about not including it. But then I was.
01:37:02:02 - 01:37:11:07
Luna
Like, I'm so glad you did. That's so funny. I'm like, that's this is like. I'm like, it's funny. It's I have a whole range of feelings.
01:37:11:09 - 01:37:14:09
Kimberly
Yeah, that's how I feel.
01:37:14:11 - 01:37:16:07
Luna
Doing okay.
01:37:16:09 - 01:37:37:05
Kimberly
All right. So our next one is a YouTube comment from LJ. And this one is on Wisconsin Tips episode. And LJ says you two are both amazing. Thank you for being so open. My fiance and I are. I guess you could labels swingers and you just helped me remove the last of the guilt lol.
01:37:37:06 - 01:37:39:21
Luna
Oh great. Amazing!
01:37:39:22 - 01:37:41:03
Kimberly
That's so great!
01:37:41:05 - 01:37:49:18
Luna
I meant all swingers and slutty people of all types. Feel very very sweetly satisfied with their decisions.
01:37:49:19 - 01:38:15:22
Kimberly
Yes. All right. This comment is from JC and this one's on Camille's episode. I loved this interview with the lovely Camille. Both you and her did a great job Q&A thing about Camille's transition from nurse to courtesan. She has a very sweet disposition and soothing voice. This interview therapeutic and very interesting. Camille is a true professional in a multitude of levels a student, an educator in life.
01:38:16:01 - 01:38:19:12
Kimberly
I want to learn more about her. Thank you for this interview. Great job!
01:38:19:14 - 01:38:39:05
Luna
Oh my gosh! I encourage everyone to learn more about Camille, one of my favorite humans on this planet. One of my best friends. Now with two master's degrees under her belt. Like she's. Yeah, she's gotten a second one since since we recorded that episode. And what she's about. Yeah. Yeah, it's so good. Yeah. Sexual health and psychology and,
01:38:39:07 - 01:38:50:21
Luna
Yeah, yeah, I, I fucking love that. And she is. And she's really fun to party with. To.
01:38:50:23 - 01:39:15:00
Kimberly
Next we have a selection of questions from a listener. So this one is from Ellie. Considering the general women population, if you could answer the following questions one. I have never trimmed or shaved pubic hair near a penis area. What is generally preferable and can you share details? What about the hair on balls to? I have some hair on the Ariela nipple area.
01:39:15:02 - 01:39:35:04
Kimberly
Personally, I don't like it and would like to keep it hairless there and maybe opt for laser hair on that area. What do you think about hair on nipple area? I have tried to trim both my pubic hair and nipple area hair once using scissors, and it started itching me a lot. Maybe I did it for the first time in my life.
01:39:35:06 - 01:39:54:06
Kimberly
Same goes for underarm hair preference and how to get started. For I have a foreskin on my penis and I am not able to retract when it's flaccid or erect. The doctor shared a cream that I could try to help me pull back before skin. They said if the cream doesn't help, I could consider circumcision, but that's up to me.
01:39:54:06 - 01:40:18:05
Kimberly
As long as it doesn't pain while intercourse or peeing. What do women generally prefer? Cut or uncut? And why are they okay if the foreskin doesn't retract? Should I consider getting a circumcision? Do you know how much it would affect my sex life? If I get a circumcision, would I be more sensitive as my glands are exposed? Would I enjoy sex more and feel more confident?
01:40:18:07 - 01:40:40:17
Luna
Wow. Well, okay, those are a lot of questions, and I will preface this by saying most of my answers are opinions, and one should always look to their own wisdom to answer the questions about their own body, starting with foreskins and penises. I've only ever seen one foreskin that did not retract, and he was fine about it, and he had great hygiene.
01:40:40:22 - 01:41:03:07
Luna
And that said, my understanding is that it can cause complications, particularly if a penis owner with a foreskin that never retracts is regularly fucking a pussy owner because they can fuck up, like whatever it is, you know? And and if you can't retract the skin to clean stuff can get stuck in there and it can create bacterial infection.
01:41:03:08 - 01:41:27:12
Luna
That is my understanding. I'm not a doctor. I am curious that they only give you the option of sounds like full circumcision and this cream. I'm team cream. I'm team cream for sure. Here's why I'm not into circumcision. But I do know that it was mole back in the day. Had a botched circumcision. They cut a little too much and his sensitivity was affected.
01:41:27:12 - 01:41:52:04
Luna
So this is very, very delicate, sensitive skin. And I do believe I read somewhere a little don't quote me on this, but my understanding is that those who still have their foreskin often have a greater level of sensitivity. And I will just say from a handjob perspective, I love giving a handjob with someone who has a foreskin. Like at the point where we get to blowjobs, it's going to retract anyway.
01:41:52:04 - 01:42:09:16
Luna
And I definitely remember my like early on I had partners who had foreskins and every foreskin looks different, but I didn't even realize that they weren't circumcised. You know, whereas some people talk about like being scared by a one eyed snake or all these other things or the burrito and like, I've seen those ones too. I think they're very interesting.
01:42:09:16 - 01:42:29:21
Luna
I love having more skin to play with in different ways, and I personally, especially as an adult. But even for babies, like I would say, let's keep all of our sensitive parts, let's keep them there, let's keep them intact. Let's not risk surgery. I also am from a family that has the ethos of stay away from surgery unless absolutely necessary.
01:42:29:21 - 01:42:50:06
Luna
So that's where my perspective is biased from, I think also, I mean, this is a month of masturbation meditation sensation explorations, and I have no idea what it feels like for you to have a foreskin that won't retract. But presumably, since I received this message on OnlyFans, you are an adult and that's been the case your entire life.
01:42:50:06 - 01:43:14:14
Luna
So it might take some time to stretch, but also think what a cool opportunity to play with every day, you know, with and without cream. My understanding is also that some people who have had circumcisions have gone to great lengths to stretch the skin of their cock so that they can basically have a foreskin 2.0 because it it creates a barrier when it comes to stroking.
01:43:14:16 - 01:43:42:06
Luna
So I would definitely say the opportunity to explore that sensation, to let skin stretch and do its own thing. Your body is magical and powerful and I, I mean, I would be also really, really curious to hear that saga like like day one, the report has bits or maybe like a weekly check in about, like how your, foreskin stretching is going because I yeah, I'm, I don't I wonder what kind of cream it is like skin cream.
01:43:42:07 - 01:44:06:02
Luna
Maybe something to like. Is it what they give the like some to? I'm like, I don't know. Is there like a skin elasticity cream? Okay, well, you might want to go to another doctor. Yes I do, I'm like, oh, please do this. As for hair, everything else seem to be hair related, so every person has their own preference.
01:44:06:07 - 01:44:28:17
Luna
I definitely have been around other people who really, really prefer it when their partners are fully shaved or trimmed. I have really sensitive skin so I do not use a razor blade on any of my sensitive parts. I used to wax that led to some scarring. I got sugared that led to scarring. Like my pussy skin is like, please leave a little hair.
01:44:28:17 - 01:44:47:03
Luna
And so if I trim, I use an electric razor. I still have the Manscaped Razor, but there's similar things that are created with plastic guards rather than metal pinchy parts. So like when I used to shave my head, I would not use those clippers or my pussy hair. That's that's not the same time. They have ones that are made for sensitive regions.
01:44:47:03 - 01:45:04:08
Luna
And so I would say I'd do an initial trim with that if you want to trim. And then if you want to get really, really close, I use an old like Panasonic. It's like a it's made for older men with sensitive skin to shave their face. So it's a shaver, electric shaver. And I use that on my legs.
01:45:04:08 - 01:45:30:01
Luna
I am in the process of getting laser hair removal. And if you know, for sure that you want to have, you know, naked nipples for the rest of your life, I would say definitely get laser before I get laser. They tell me to shave it all the way down, so I would use the electric method. I don't know what scissor wise would have caused itching unless you were getting a little too close to your skin with scissors that maybe needed to be washed ahead of time.
01:45:30:03 - 01:45:45:10
Luna
Because I also use tiny like eyebrow scissors to trim my hair sometimes. But, you know, you want to be pulling hair away from the skin and not getting scissor blades too close to your skin. I would say it's all it's all very, very personal. One of my partners asked me recently like, hey, you're coming to visit.
01:45:45:10 - 01:46:06:05
Luna
Like, do you want me to try and shave my balls? And, like, I love smooth balls. I also love hairy balls. As long as my partner doesn't mind if I'm going down on them. If I paused to, like, take hairs out of my mouth, I also am a person who's fairly undiscussed and I like variety, so I'm like, well, I do like your shaved balls, but but could we?
01:46:06:05 - 01:46:25:08
Luna
I might actually answer it. This moment was like, well, could you leave it this time? Since last time it was she's, you know, the next time you could surprise me. Like, I really love variety, you know, I know that people. So I would say if you have a partner, if you're interested in getting a partner, like ask them with underarm hair, it's same, same same deal, you know.
01:46:25:08 - 01:46:42:12
Luna
Do you like having it? I know lots of people of all genders who like having armpit hair, and I know lots of people of all genders who like shaving their armpit hair. I don't have very much armpit hair, so I feel like when it grows out it looks scraggly and weird, like I'm not that hairy in my private areas.
01:46:42:12 - 01:47:00:04
Luna
So I do usually shave my armpits, and that's another place that I'm going to get laser hair removal. And so yeah, I think it really, really, really depends on what you actually want. I think it's a great chance to check in with yourself. And like, Judy has gotten full laser hair removal and will loudly say, oh, I wish I hadn't.
01:47:00:04 - 01:47:15:02
Luna
I wish I, I would want to grow old Bush now, but previously didn't know, you know, and so like, you just never know. There might be a fun time to have pubic hair. And if you're a very sensitive person and you don't like the sensation of hair, get rid of it. That's fine too. It's like, what will make you feel happy and sexy?
01:47:15:02 - 01:47:16:07
Luna
What are your her thoughts?
01:47:16:12 - 01:47:40:00
Kimberly
Kimberly I go through phases of wanting to be smooth and wanting to be hairy. Right now I'm in a hairy phase, but I can feel the urge. I can feel the smooth urge coming over me. Yeah, I, I've been like, feeling my leg this entire time. And I'm just like, wow, what if I shaved that soon? So, you know, it really just depends.
01:47:40:01 - 01:47:46:05
Luna
I totally get it. Yeah. I love having smooth legs. And I will say, I will love I.
01:47:46:05 - 01:47:49:05
Kimberly
Will legs and great grasshopper. My legs again.
01:47:49:07 - 01:48:12:13
Luna
Yes, yes. Or feeling crawling into fresh sheets because I will use a metal razor on my legs, like I will use a full razor there. And so it is a closer shave. And when I have soft, soft, smooth legs and I'm crawling into fresh sheets and they're soft and I feel like that is such a yummy feeling. And I don't know if people who have laser hair removal still feel that way.
01:48:12:13 - 01:48:27:06
Luna
Like, I don't know, because I know that when I had a shaved head, it would get less sensitive when I would like regularly make it short. Then I would talk to my bald friends and they said that their head eventually got less sensitive. So I don't know if that happens with like two, but I am a huge fan of sensory everything.
01:48:27:06 - 01:48:32:09
Kimberly
So now we have a lovely email that you would like to read.
01:48:32:12 - 01:48:42:13
Luna
Yes. Okay, so this is an email from my submissive who decided to chronicle our entire first night together.
01:48:42:15 - 01:48:52:14
Kimberly
To hear this submissive, sexy details. Stay tuned for a standalone bonus episode to discover what pleasures can be reached with a life changing dominant.
01:48:52:16 - 01:49:06:11
Luna
I think we call it there. Kimberly, thank you for joining me again for this. Excellent, excellent. We'll do it again when the time comes for the next mailbag episode. Maybe we'll record in November, I don't know, maybe December, maybe January. And,
01:49:06:13 - 01:49:09:15
Kimberly
We did it. Woohoo! Oh!
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